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  #1  
Old August 28th 06, 08:29 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health
Ilena Rose
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Default Vaccines and the changing epidemiology of autism

If you review the research, and not rely on anecdotes, you will see that there is NO EVIDENCE to support a link between the MMR and autism.

So says a Vaccination Flack, former attorney, disbarred by the Supreme
Court of NY, who also claimes there is NO EVIDENCE that he was
disbarred.

See the Supreme Court Disbarment Order he

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/sandraprobert.htm

So much for his ability to tell the truth ... and accept the evidence
that doesn't support his bias and that of the Healthfraud Campaign.

http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.or...WatchWatch.htm

I too have known several families whose children developed autism very
shortly after their MMR shots ... went from perfect babies to highly
challenged.

The Vac Industry spends untold millions to attempt to change the facts
that a percentage of children do react violently.

Probert is the bottom on the barrel.
  #2  
Old August 28th 06, 08:40 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health
Ilena Rose
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Default Vaccines and the changing epidemiology of autism


Have you no depths to which you will sink, Marla (one of his fake
names to infiltrate my support system and why I continue to expose his
perfidy)?????????

I would not go that far for most parents. Many are angry that they were not given the perfect baby that they anticipated for nine months. Their hopes are dashed. Their lives are over. They need, desperately, someone
or something to blame.


CRAP CRAP AND MORE CRAP (to use your good buddy and supporter, Coleah
Penley Ayers' terms)

In the cases linked to vaccines ... the babies were PERFECT ... and
after reacting to the vaccinations, changed.

Probert cares not how many children and their families are damaged by
vaccinations ... just like he cared not for the 6 families who had to
be compensated for his perfidy by the NY Law Fund.




On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 13:29:11 -0600, Ilena Rose wrote:

If you review the research, and not rely on anecdotes, you will see that there is NO EVIDENCE to support a link between the MMR and autism.


So says a Vaccination Flack, former attorney, disbarred by the Supreme
Court of NY, who also claimes there is NO EVIDENCE that he was
disbarred.

See the Supreme Court Disbarment Order he

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/sandraprobert.htm

So much for his ability to tell the truth ... and accept the evidence
that doesn't support his bias and that of the Healthfraud Campaign.

http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.or...WatchWatch.htm

I too have known several families whose children developed autism very
shortly after their MMR shots ... went from perfect babies to highly
challenged.

The Vac Industry spends untold millions to attempt to change the facts
that a percentage of children do react violently.

Probert is the bottom on the barrel.

  #3  
Old August 28th 06, 11:33 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health
Ilena Rose
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Default Vaccines and the changing epidemiology of autism

Kids would still get autism if there were not vaccines.

What QuackFlack Logic ... typical of you.

That doesn't mean that vaccinations are not a cause of some percentage
of children who are autistic.
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Old August 29th 06, 01:43 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health
Jeff
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Default Vaccines and the changing epidemiology of autism


"Ilena Rose" wrote in message
...
Kids would still get autism if there were not vaccines.


What QuackFlack Logic ... typical of you.


Considering that autism was described before vaccines ....

That doesn't mean that vaccinations are not a cause of some percentage
of children who are autistic.


Correct. Yet, you have yet to provide evidence that vaccines cause autism.

Jeff


  #5  
Old August 29th 06, 03:31 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health
Ilena Rose
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Default Vaccines and the changing epidemiology of autism

Disbarred and disgraced NY former attorney, and promoter of the
dubious Quackwatch / Healthfraud team who also claim makes this stupid
statement:

Actually, real scientific researchers are saying that there is no evidence of a link.


LOL ... he most frequently quotes Barretts quackwatch which has been
ruled:

"biased and unworthy of credibility."


  #6  
Old August 29th 06, 06:14 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health
Jeff
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Default Vaccines and the changing epidemiology of autism


"Ilena Rose" wrote in message
...
Disbarred and disgraced NY former attorney, and promoter of the
dubious Quackwatch / Healthfraud team who also claim makes this stupid
statement:

Actually, real scientific researchers are saying that there is no evidence
of a link.


LOL ... he most frequently quotes Barretts quackwatch which has been
ruled:

"biased and unworthy of credibility."


There is a better way that would show that he has no credibility: Show us
links to the peer-reviewed papers that show a link between vaccines and
autism.

In other words, put up or shut up.

Jeff


  #7  
Old August 30th 06, 12:42 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health
Jan Drew
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Default Vaccines and the changing epidemiology of autism


"Jeff" wrote in message
. net...

"Ilena Rose" wrote in message
...
Disbarred and disgraced NY former attorney, and promoter of the
dubious Quackwatch / Healthfraud team who also claim makes this stupid
statement:

Actually, real scientific researchers are saying that there is no
evidence of a link.


LOL ... he most frequently quotes Barretts quackwatch which has been
ruled:

"biased and unworthy of credibility."


There is a better way that would show that he has no credibility: Show us
links to the peer-reviewed papers that show a link between vaccines and
autism.

In other words, put up or shut up.

Jeff


http://www.boston.com/news/nation/ar...dies?mode =PF

Flaws are found in validating medical studies
Many see need to overhaul standards for peer review
By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff | August 15, 2005

WASHINGTON -- They are two of the most widely publicized pieces of
medical research in recent years: Reports in prestigious journals
declared that women who underwent hormone replacement therapy, and
people who ingested large amounts of Vitamin E, had relatively low
rates of heart disease.


But after research contradicted those studies -- frustrating anyone
who
had followed their recommendations -- some specialists began looking
at
whether peer review had failed to identify serious flaws in the
research.

But the specialists found that it was almost impossible to discover
what had happened in the vetting process, since peer reviewers are
unpaid, anonymous, and unaccountable. Moreover, their reviews are kept
confidential, making it impossible to know the parameters of the
reviews.

Now, after a study that sent reverberations through the medical
profession by finding that almost one-third of top research articles
have been either contradicted or seriously questioned, some
specialists
are calling for radical changes in the system.

In advance of a world congress on peer review next month in Chicago,
these specialists are suggesting that reviewers drop their anonymity
and allow comments to be published. Some are proposing that peer
reviewers be paid to ensure a more even quality of review and analysis
among all journals.

Dr. Drummond Rennie, who relies on review as deputy editor of JAMA,
the
Journal of the American Medical Association, said of the process,
''The
more we look into it, the harder it is to prove whether it does good
or
bad."

Rennie has called for greater study of whether peer review improves
research, and he has a personal policy of disclosing his name when he
reviews articles.

''It would be lovely to start anew and to set up a trial of peer
review
against no peer review," Rennie said. ''But no journal is willing to
risk it."

Rennie's journal published the study, which said that subsequent
research had found that almost one-third of the top papers that
appeared in top journals over a 13-year period from 1990 to 2003, had
been either contradicted or found to have potentially exaggerated
results. All the articles had undergone vigorous peer review, leading
to questions about whether problems should have been caught by
reviewers.

The author of that study, Dr. John Ioannidis, an adjunct professor at
the Tufts University School of Medicine, said that flaws in the system
were not solely responsible for the problems with the initial studies,
but he said that they may be ''part of the puzzle" that should be
examined to improve research.

Ioannidis has proposed making peer reviews public so that ''one could
see whether someone said, 'This is a great study, publish it,' or
whether there was constructive scientific thinking, comment and
criticism." He noted that he could not examine any peer reviews,
including those for the hormone replacement and Vitamin E studies,
because of the confidentiality surrounding peer review.

Under the system of peer review, a researcher submits findings to a
journal for publication. Along with a review by editors, the article
is
sent to several specialists in the field.

These reviewers are not paid for their time, their names are usually
not published, and their comments usually remain secret. They are
usually not allowed to contact the researchers directly to ask
questions, and they do not try to replicate the research.

The system has often had successes; many journal editors say peer
review has saved countless prominent scientists from publishing
seriously flawed work, and has spared the public from following
mistaken medical advice.

But peer review also lacks consistent standards. Procedures vary among
the world's 10,000 or so journals. A peer reviewer often spends about
four hours reviewing research that may have taken months or years to
complete, but the amount of time spent on a review and the expertise
of
the reviewer can differ greatly, especially at lesser-known journals.

''It has been bandied about as a sort of 'Good Housekeeping Seal of
Approval,' " said Marcia Angell, former editor of the New England
Journal of Medicine. ''It is only as good as the peer reviewers and
editors."

The increasing focus on peer review will be highlighted next month,
when dozens of journal editors and specialists in peer review meet in
Chicago. Dozens of papers will be presented on topics that include
whether peer review adds value, and whether conflict-of-interest rules
are working.

J=2E Scott Armstrong, a professor at the University of Pennsylvania
who
has spent years analyzing peer review, has voiced hope that the
conference will lead to radical change in the way journals conduct
peer
review. The system, he said, is outdated and outmoded.

Pointing to a move by some journals to put their information on the
Internet and to publish the names of reviewers, he predicts that the
current system of anonymous reviewers will be replaced by a version of
Amazon.com, in which scientists from around the world contribute their
thoughts to constantly updated research.

Change is not likely to come, however, at the upcoming Fifth
International Congress on Peer Review and Biomedical Publication. That
gathering is intended as a forum for discussion, rather than
decision-making.

There is no governing body that defines what constitutes good peer
review, or that demands that certain standards be followed.

Moreover, some of the editors at some of the large journals are not
eager to change the system. Dr. Jeffrey Drazen, who is the editor of
the New England Journal of Medicine, said he supports keeping the
review system anonymous and unpaid.

''We don't think the system is broken and needs to be overhauled,"
Drazen said.

Drazen also said peer review is not necessarily at fault when a study
is not replicated by subsequent research. ''As a scientist, the things
that give me the most joy is when someone is able to replicate
something I published," Drazen said. ''That means that you got it
right. But sometimes people cannot replicate things. It is a mistake
to
view it as black and white . . . if you do a second study but can't
replicate the primary findings, it doesn't necessarily mean the
original research was wrong."

Ioannidis, the author of the study on flawed research, said he had
examined articles from top journals published from 1990 to 2003, and
had found that 16 percent of those studies were later contradicted,
and
that another 16 percent were not found to have had as strong a result
in subsequent research.

Many factors led to the conflicting results, he said, including the
fact that scientific research is often updated when larger or
better-controlled trials are conducted. But flaws in the initial
studies, including integrity and methodology, could not be ruled out.

Some journals are trying to improve the system by making themselves
more open to the public. The Public Library of Science publishes a
magazine called PLOS Medicine, which charges authors $1,500 per
article
but which provides its journals online for free.

PLOS Medicine also encourages peer reviewers to reveal their identity,
but it does not demand it.

The journal's senior editor, Barbara Cohen, said some reviewers want
anonymity out of concern about retribution, which she described as
''you trashed my paper at Nature, now I'm trashing yours at Science,"
referring to two leading journals.

Cohen also said she is sympathetic to younger peer reviewers who fear
that providing criticism of a senior person in the field will hurt
their career. This is a common complaint among reviewers.

But given the high number of studies that end up either wrong or
deeply
flawed, much of the medical profession is looking for new ways to
examine research.

Armstrong, the professor who has read dozens of studies on peer
review,
cited numerous embarrassing incidents that he said had called the peer
review process into question.

In one study, for example, researchers submitted a plagiarized paper
to
110 journals, but only two publications recognized the problem.

In another study, researchers examined 18 papers that had been
published in peer-reviewed journals by a person who later admitted
scientific fraud; they found that 16 of the papers had an average of
12
errors each.
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Ready to shut up now, Jeff NOTkidsdoc?


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Old August 30th 06, 12:54 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health
Jeff
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Default Vaccines and the changing epidemiology of autism


"Jan Drew" wrote in message
...

"Jeff" wrote in message
. net...

"Ilena Rose" wrote in message
...
Disbarred and disgraced NY former attorney, and promoter of the
dubious Quackwatch / Healthfraud team who also claim makes this stupid
statement:

Actually, real scientific researchers are saying that there is no
evidence of a link.

LOL ... he most frequently quotes Barretts quackwatch which has been
ruled:

"biased and unworthy of credibility."


There is a better way that would show that he has no credibility: Show us
links to the peer-reviewed papers that show a link between vaccines and
autism.

In other words, put up or shut up.

Jeff


http://www.boston.com/news/nation/ar...dies?mode =PF


Copyrighted material deleted.

No one claimed that peer-review was perfect. It is far from it.

Nonetheless, Illena has not backed her claims.

Your diversion did not work.

Jeff


  #9  
Old August 30th 06, 01:20 AM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health
Jan Drew
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Default Vaccines and the changing epidemiology of autism


"Jeff" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Jan Drew" wrote in message
...

"Jeff" wrote in message
. net...

"Ilena Rose" wrote in message
...
Disbarred and disgraced NY former attorney, and promoter of the
dubious Quackwatch / Healthfraud team who also claim makes this stupid
statement:

Actually, real scientific researchers are saying that there is no
evidence of a link.

LOL ... he most frequently quotes Barretts quackwatch which has been
ruled:

"biased and unworthy of credibility."

There is a better way that would show that he has no credibility: Show
us links to the peer-reviewed papers that show a link between vaccines
and autism.

In other words, put up or shut up.

Jeff


http://www.boston.com/news/nation/ar...dies?mode =PF


Copyrighted material deleted.

No one claimed that peer-review was perfect. It is far from it.

Nonetheless, YOU KEEP ASKING!!!! Illena has not backed her claims.


That would be Ilena.

Your diversion did not work.

Jeff

Sorry you have demonstrated you are deaf, dumb and blind.

NOW---do show you are a kids doc as you have
claimed..................................

Put up or shut up.



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Old August 31st 06, 11:17 PM posted to misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health
Jeff
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Default Vaccines and the changing epidemiology of autism


"Jan Drew" wrote in message
t...

"Jeff" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Jan Drew" wrote in message
...

"Jeff" wrote in message
. net...

"Ilena Rose" wrote in message
...
Disbarred and disgraced NY former attorney, and promoter of the
dubious Quackwatch / Healthfraud team who also claim makes this stupid
statement:

Actually, real scientific researchers are saying that there is no
evidence of a link.

LOL ... he most frequently quotes Barretts quackwatch which has been
ruled:

"biased and unworthy of credibility."

There is a better way that would show that he has no credibility: Show
us links to the peer-reviewed papers that show a link between vaccines
and autism.

In other words, put up or shut up.

Jeff


http://www.boston.com/news/nation/ar...dies?mode =PF


Copyrighted material deleted.

No one claimed that peer-review was perfect. It is far from it.

Nonetheless, YOU KEEP ASKING!!!! Illena has not backed her claims.


That would be Ilena.



Please, I did not include the text "YOU KEEP ASKING!!!!" I know better than
to use all CAPS, three extra exclamation points or to change the text of
what someone else wrote. I am not intellectually dishonest.


Your diversion did not work.

Jeff

Sorry you have demonstrated you are deaf, dumb and blind.


Intellectually dishonest and you attack me. What a combo.

NOW---do show you are a kids doc as you have
claimed..................................


Where did I claim I am a kids doc?

Put up or shut up.

\Good one.

Jeff


 




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