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Am I hurting my child by putting her in daycare at 22 months?
On Dec 6, 11:33 am, Ericka Kammerer wrote:
Lady Penelope Creighton-Ward wrote: My concern is her (physical) health as she will inevitably go down with something pretty soon. This was the crux of my relative's argument - that a child under 3 is best left protected at home. Maybe I should have said this more explicitly in my original post. Oh, pbbbthb on the health issue. If the child were immune compromised, that would be a problem, but otherwise, it's not the end of the earth for kids to get sick. They're going to start building up their immune systems sooner or later. Sure, she'll come home with crud (and likely pass it on to you), but keeping her home will just postpone that process until later. Make sure you're happy with the sanitary practices at the daycare, keep her home perhaps if something bad is going around, and just deal with the rest. I'm enjoying a cold brought home by my 4yo preschooler now. I'd love not to have to deal with that, but what else is one going to do? Reading the story below made me more pessimistic about the health effects of day care. A Proposal to Require Flu Vaccines for Preschool By JILL P. CAPUZZO New York TImes, December 9, 2007 http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/09/ny...09vaccine.html 'The New Jersey Public Health Council is expected to vote tomorrow on a rule that would require flu vaccines for any child entering day care or preschool. If it is approved, New Jersey would become the first state in the country to impose that mandate. The flu vaccine is one of four that the council will consider. There is a vaccine that would be given to children entering day care or preschool to protect against pneumonia, and two others that would be given to those entering sixth grade: one to guard against meningococcal disease, a fast-killing strain of meningitis, and the other an additional booster of a three-part shot already administered at a younger age against tetanus, pertussis and diphtheria.' snip 'The decision to propose the additional vaccines, especially the one for the flu, was based on recommendations by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Food and Drug Administration, according to Dr. Eddy Bresnitz, New Jersey's deputy commissioner of health and the state epidemiologist. Each year, 108 of every 100,000 children 5 or younger are hospitalized with complications from the flu, and about 100 die, according to the C.D.C. "If you have children and they go to day care, they're constantly getting sick," said Dr. Bresnitz. He noted that children were also the best transmitters of influenza virus. "We believe this will limit the disease, decrease hospitalization and prevent death," he said, "not only for the children affected but also in the community at large." At present, 13 other states require pneumonia vaccines for preschool students, and 27 states have added the extra three-in-one booster for sixth graders. Two other states, Kansas and Vermont, recommend the meningococcal vaccine.' |
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Am I hurting my child by putting her in daycare at 22 months?
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Beliavsky says... On Dec 6, 11:33 am, Ericka Kammerer wrote: Lady Penelope Creighton-Ward wrote: My concern is her (physical) health as she will inevitably go down with something pretty soon. This was the crux of my relative's argument - that a child under 3 is best left protected at home. Maybe I should have said this more explicitly in my original post. Oh, pbbbthb on the health issue. If the child were immune compromised, that would be a problem, but otherwise, it's not the end of the earth for kids to get sick. They're going to start building up their immune systems sooner or later. Sure, she'll come home with crud (and likely pass it on to you), but keeping her home will just postpone that process until later. Make sure you're happy with the sanitary practices at the daycare, keep her home perhaps if something bad is going around, and just deal with the rest. I'm enjoying a cold brought home by my 4yo preschooler now. I'd love not to have to deal with that, but what else is one going to do? Reading the story below made me more pessimistic about the health effects of day care. Isn't this the *very* thing you cited earlier as a possible *benefit* to daycare, which you then instantly dismissed as not applicable to most of those posting here due to your presumptions about our SES status??? All this is, is starting immunizations earlier than kindergarten, when the same issue would arise anyway. And no, there's no evidence that you've shown that this is a larger issue for younger kids. I get the definite impression you're looking, seeking, for evidence to show a position you've taken, and even forgetting what you've said *earlier*. You're reaching, Beliavski, you're reaching. Banty |
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Am I hurting my child by putting her in daycare at 22 months?
"Sue" wrote in
news:jZadnWaJCvNQcsbanZ2dnUVZ_v6rnZ2d@wideopenwest .com: Ah gotcha. You had said something about not wanting Boo labeled, but I thought that was the point of the visit, to get help for him. no, of course the DD preschool wants to label. their funding is based on that. you just can't have an unlabelled kid in developmental delay. the issue came up with just which labels... i had no objection to, say, "speech delay" or "poor fine motor control", because those were the primary things i thought he had problems with. the intake coordinator, OTOH, wanted to stick "ADD", "autistic" (which he may be, but he's high functioning like me, & i don't see a need for the label as that can cause it's own problems), "emotionally immature", "overly attached to mother" etc. on him. his teacher says he's a pretty normal 7 year old boy. he's in 2nd grade, reading on a 4th grade level. he hates writing, because it is hard for him, but he's getting better at it. lee |
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Am I hurting my child by putting her in daycare at 22 months?
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, Beliavsky wrote: 'The decision to propose the additional vaccines, especially the one for the flu, was based on recommendations by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Food and Drug Administration, according to Dr. Eddy Bresnitz, New Jersey's deputy commissioner of health and the state epidemiologist. Each year, 108 of every 100,000 children 5 or younger are hospitalized with complications from the flu, and about 100 die, according to the C.D.C. I think there might be a typo there. I doubt very much that any part of the USA has an under-five mortality rate of 1:1000 from flu complications alone! According to Unicef, in 2002, 7 of every 1,000 children in industrialized countries died before they were five. -- Chookie -- Sydney, Australia (Replace "foulspambegone" with "optushome" to reply) http://chookiesbackyard.blogspot.com/ |
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Am I hurting my child by putting her in daycare at 22 months?
On Dec 10, 3:57 am, Chookie wrote:
In article , Beliavsky wrote: 'The decision to propose the additional vaccines, especially the one for the flu, was based on recommendations by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Food and Drug Administration, according to Dr. Eddy Bresnitz, New Jersey's deputy commissioner of health and the state epidemiologist. Each year, 108 of every 100,000 children 5 or younger are hospitalized with complications from the flu, and about 100 die, according to the C.D.C. I think there might be a typo there. I doubt very much that any part of the USA has an under-five mortality rate of 1:1000 from flu complications alone! According to Unicef, in 2002, 7 of every 1,000 children in industrialized countries died before they were five. From http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/0607season.htm#children Pediatric deaths to to flu complications (pediatric = less than 18 yrs old, although usually more than 50% of the deaths are in kids under the age of 5). This is for all of the US. *During the 2003-04 Season, 153 flu-associated deaths in children were reported to CDC. *During the 2004-05 Season, 47 deaths in children were reported to CDC *During the 2005-06 Season, 46 deaths in children were reported to CDC. *As of August 6, 2007, 68 deaths in children occurring during the 2006-07 season have been reported to CDC. http://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/weekly...7/weekly20.htm |
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Am I hurting my child by putting her in daycare at 22 months?
On Dec 9, 10:24 am, Beliavsky wrote:
On Dec 6, 11:33 am, Ericka Kammerer wrote: Lady Penelope Creighton-Ward wrote: My concern is her (physical) health as she will inevitably go down with something pretty soon. This was the crux of my relative's argument - that a child under 3 is best left protected at home. Maybe I should have said this more explicitly in my original post. Oh, pbbbthb on the health issue. If the child were immune compromised, that would be a problem, but otherwise, it's not the end of the earth for kids to get sick. They're going to start building up their immune systems sooner or later. Sure, she'll come home with crud (and likely pass it on to you), but keeping her home will just postpone that process until later. Make sure you're happy with the sanitary practices at the daycare, keep her home perhaps if something bad is going around, and just deal with the rest. I'm enjoying a cold brought home by my 4yo preschooler now. I'd love not to have to deal with that, but what else is one going to do? Reading the story below made me more pessimistic about the health effects of day care. Why? All kids should be getting these vaccines, whether they're in daycare or at home. However the government can't mandate the vaccines for a child who is at home, but can do so for a child in school/daycare. That these vaccines are being recommended or required is simply a measure of good public health, not reflective of the daycare setting. It's very true having kids in large groups means more likelihood of disease spread, but presumably even a parent at home with their child is not going to keep their kid locked up all day for fear of disease. btw - breastfeeding helps to protect the young ones esp. against many diseases. A Proposal to Require Flu Vaccines for Preschool By JILL P. CAPUZZO New York TImes, December 9, 2007http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/09/nyregion/09vaccine.html 'The New Jersey Public Health Council is expected to vote tomorrow on a rule that would require flu vaccines for any child entering day care or preschool. If it is approved, New Jersey would become the first state in the country to impose that mandate. The flu vaccine is one of four that the council will consider. There is a vaccine that would be given to children entering day care or preschool to protect against pneumonia, and two others that would be given to those entering sixth grade: one to guard against meningococcal disease, a fast-killing strain of meningitis, and the other an additional booster of a three-part shot already administered at a younger age against tetanus, pertussis and diphtheria.' snip 'The decision to propose the additional vaccines, especially the one for the flu, was based on recommendations by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Food and Drug Administration, according to Dr. Eddy Bresnitz, New Jersey's deputy commissioner of health and the state epidemiologist. Each year, 108 of every 100,000 children 5 or younger are hospitalized with complications from the flu, and about 100 die, according to the C.D.C. "If you have children and they go to day care, they're constantly getting sick," said Dr. Bresnitz. He noted that children were also the best transmitters of influenza virus. "We believe this will limit the disease, decrease hospitalization and prevent death," he said, "not only for the children affected but also in the community at large." At present, 13 other states require pneumonia vaccines for preschool students, and 27 states have added the extra three-in-one booster for sixth graders. Two other states, Kansas and Vermont, recommend the meningococcal vaccine.' |
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Am I hurting my child by putting her in daycare at 22 months?
"Chookie" wrote in message news:ehrebeniuk-F30526.20495310122007@news... In article , wrote: Well, It's a montessori school. The rooms are called classes. The kids do what they do in regular day care centers but montessori is more organized rather than random play. Even at 2 years of age, they have dipping/pouring, cleaning, brushing their own teeth, brushing hair, folding kitchen towels etc. I was really impressed that kids that young can learn so many things. They say that montessori is for all kids but not for all parents. It may be a cliche. I liked the school so far. It actually isn't supposed to be "random play" in a good centre. To describe a parent's entry into a room of two-year-olds as "disturbing the class" suggests to me either extreme regimentation or extreme pomposity! Why wouldn't it disturb a toddler to see parent in the middle of the day? Most 2 year olds will throw a fit and want to go with the parent no matter how much they love the school. If one toddler throws a fit crying "I want mommy", I'm sure atleast one more will follow. That is very disturbing to the other kids. IME it doesn't quite work like that. Once a child has settled in to day care, they do not cry when left, as a rule. I'm not sure that's true. I've certainly known several children who have been happy at school/preschool for weeks/months even over a year and suddenly for no known reason had a week crying when left, then been happy again. Debbie Most children do not respond badly to the sight of other parents, either. It is only when it's going-home time that the sight of another mummy might cause tears. The mere presence of another adult is not disturbing -- unless it's the adult who is throwing the fit! -- Chookie -- Sydney, Australia (Replace "foulspambegone" with "optushome" to reply) http://chookiesbackyard.blogspot.com/ |
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Am I hurting my child by putting her in daycare at 22 months?
"Chookie" wrote in message news:ehrebeniuk-4CDE28.20571510122007@news... In article , Beliavsky wrote: 'The decision to propose the additional vaccines, especially the one for the flu, was based on recommendations by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Food and Drug Administration, according to Dr. Eddy Bresnitz, New Jersey's deputy commissioner of health and the state epidemiologist. Each year, 108 of every 100,000 children 5 or younger are hospitalized with complications from the flu, and about 100 die, according to the C.D.C. I think there might be a typo there. I doubt very much that any part of the USA has an under-five mortality rate of 1:1000 from flu complications alone! I read that to be that out of 100, 000 children who get flu, 100 of those die. That's a mortality rate of 1:1000 flu cases, or 0.1% of flu cases. Not of the population as a whole. Debbie |
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Am I hurting my child by putting her in daycare at 22 months?
"Welches" wrote in message ... "Chookie" wrote in message news:ehrebeniuk-F30526.20495310122007@news... In article , wrote: Well, It's a montessori school. The rooms are called classes. The kids do what they do in regular day care centers but montessori is more organized rather than random play. Even at 2 years of age, they have dipping/pouring, cleaning, brushing their own teeth, brushing hair, folding kitchen towels etc. I was really impressed that kids that young can learn so many things. They say that montessori is for all kids but not for all parents. It may be a cliche. I liked the school so far. It actually isn't supposed to be "random play" in a good centre. To describe a parent's entry into a room of two-year-olds as "disturbing the class" suggests to me either extreme regimentation or extreme pomposity! Why wouldn't it disturb a toddler to see parent in the middle of the day? Most 2 year olds will throw a fit and want to go with the parent no matter how much they love the school. If one toddler throws a fit crying "I want mommy", I'm sure atleast one more will follow. That is very disturbing to the other kids. IME it doesn't quite work like that. Once a child has settled in to day care, they do not cry when left, as a rule. I'm not sure that's true. I've certainly known several children who have been happy at school/preschool for weeks/months even over a year and suddenly for no known reason had a week crying when left, then been happy again. Debbie It seems to be a developmental thing, and it's not just limited to daycare. For example, in my music classes where parents participate only for the last 15 minutes, most 3 1/2 yr olds are more than willing to come with me and could care less if the parent is there, but many of the 4 1/2 yr olds want mommy there, at least for awhile. And many of these kids have been in music with me since they were 2 and were THRILLED to move up to the "big kids class". Most children do not respond badly to the sight of other parents, either. It is only when it's going-home time that the sight of another mummy might cause tears. The mere presence of another adult is not disturbing -- unless it's the adult who is throwing the fit! It depends on time of day. Little ones don't tell time by the clock, but by events. If enough of the day's events have passed that it's reasonable to go home, especially if the parent picking up isn't expected, it can cause a string of "where's MY mommy", especially if there's no event to look forward to. "Your mommy usually comes after we play outside. We will have snack, and then we'll go out to play" is easier for a child to handle than if the entire afternoon is unstructured play without any obvious divisions. And, at best, another adult coming in is usually a break in schedule while all the kids run over to hug, tell the parent what they did that day, show off their art, etc, so it can be disruptive. Having said that, I don't see a daycare center as needing to be structured enough that this is a problem, but I do understand why many preschool programs prefer to not have parents sticking their noses into the room randomly, especially half-day ones, when there's a lot to accomplish between 8:30 and 11:30. |
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