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"Cele" wrote in message
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On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 11:33:34 -0400, "Lisa" wrote:


[excellent post snipped for brevity]

You know what? There's a program on the cable networks called "Out of
Order" . Try watching it with an open mind. The story is about a
husband
and wife writing team, the character of the wife is clinically depressed.
Pretty frickin real depiction of what it's like living with someone that
is
clinically depressed.

Lisa

Well said, Lisa. I'm glad I came home to this thread already
developed, and your post already here, even if I did post before I
read the whole thing. I was just too damned ticked to deal with it as
well as you did.

Nice work.

thanks.

Cele

lol Cele, I walked away first

Lisa

Tell you what. If there was a 'quick fix' for my kid, who is on
antidepressants, I'd use it in a minute. In a heartbeat. In a flash

Me too.

Joelle
The world is a book and those who do not travel read only one page - St
Augustine
Joelle

On 09 Jun 2004 23:17:35 GMT, oaway (Joelle) wrote:


Tell you what. If there was a 'quick fix' for my kid, who is on
antidepressants, I'd use it in a minute. In a heartbeat. In a flash

Me too.

Joelle
The world is a book and those who do not travel read only one page - St
Augustine
Joelle

Yeah. Doesn't seem likely to me that either your kid or mine, or
anyone else, gets up in the morning and says, "Hey, I know what I'll
do, I'll be depressed today....."

Take care, Joelle.

Cele

On Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:25:50 -0400, "Tiffany"
wrote:


"Cele" wrote in message
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On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 10:13:01 -0400, "Tiffany"
wrote:


As for the hike in prescribed anti-depressants..... even in teens.... we
are
in a society that is looking for a quick fix. Though I know that those
meds
CAN help, what helps the most in the long run in therapy in one form or
another. When someone tells me they are on anti-depressants, I like to
ask
them how long they have been on the med. Sometimes its years. But they
are
still depressed. Think about it.

Whoa.

First of all, virtually every credible source, when asked, will tell
you that a combination of meds and therapy are better for most people
than either alone. Meds and therapy alone have similar success rates.
It is categorically not true that therapy "helps the most" for
depression. This should surprise no one, given that research is
increasingly demonstrating a strong biological component to the
affective disorders. This means that chemistry rather than poor skills
or willpower plays the greater part in mood difficulties.

http://www.aafp.org/afp/991201ap/tips/20.html
http://articles.findarticles.com/p/a...60/ai_58252693

I did already acknowledge that point in Joelle's post.

Fine. I hadn't read the thread at the time. I responded to the posts
in the order they were presented. Glad you understand that biology has
a role. Your tone suggested otherwise.

I also never said
that someone should not take meds at all. But in your above statement you
said that med and therapy alone have similar success rates to the combo. of
meds and therapy.

You misunderstand. Meds and therapy in combo are better than either
meds alone or therapy alone. This is well known, and speaks to the
fact that depression is not about bad choices.

I am not arguing what is better or not.

That's good. I'm not sure what you'd base your arguments on.

My point has been
the dangers of meds that most aren't aware of due to the trickery business
of pharmaceuticals.

Odd. That's not the point the following appears to make:

As for the hike in prescribed anti-depressants..... even in teens.... we are in a
society that is looking for a quick fix. Though I know that those meds CAN help,
what helps the most in the long run in therapy in one form or another. When
someone tells me they are on anti-depressants, I like to ask them how long they
have been on the med. Sometimes its years. But they are still depressed.
Think about it.

That appears to be passing judgement on people for using
antidepressants, to me. Nowhere is the pharmaceutical industry
mentioned.

That said, every time either I or one of my children have been
prescribed any medication for any reason, we've been informed of any
risks. I know, because I cross check. Also, when I fill the
prescription, the pharmacist never fails to give me a printout
detailing risks, benefits, usual uses of the medication, and side
effects, including when to call the doctor.

Maybe you need to change health care professionals.

As for people still being depressed, while on antidepressants, I think
it highly unlikely that those who are *not* still depressed would be
talking about it, especially if they can expect to be met with an
attitude that suggests that depression is the result of a need for a
'quick fix'. Affective disorder has been strongly linked to clear
biological and neurological alterations. This is scientific fact. When
someone takes insulin to treat the biological condition of diabetes,
nobody accuses them of looking for a 'quick fix'. Yet when someone
takes medication to treat a neurobiological condition, the stigma is
unbelievable.

Tell you what. If there was a 'quick fix' for my kid, who is on
antidepressants, I'd use it in a minute. In a heartbeat. In a flash. I
would LOVE to see my daughter well and healthy as the result of a
quick fix. Unfortunately for her, antidepressants, inpatient
treatment, outpatient therapy, love and support from her family, and
most of all, raw determination to be whole and healthy, are all part
of her healing process.

But damn. If I could get a 'quick fix', I'd do it. Right now.

Cele

Your daughter's situation is not the normal. She has been through something
very traumatic. Something like that will take years and years to heal from.

Do you think that other people on antidepressants have all lived lives
on pathways strewn with flowers, or do you think that some of them
might have been through really hard times as well?

Cele