Kids should work...

"Dan Sullivan" wrote in message
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"Ignoramus29143" wrote in message
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In article , Kane
wrote:

I see you have been going anywhere but to my question in response to
your defense of spanking and OUR confusion about spanking being
beating.

spanking is a subset of beating.

IMHO beating starts when the victim shows lasting injury:
bruises, broken bones, brain damage, death...

How about if the victim is too young to understand that the pain they're
feeling is supposed to be good for them?

How about if the victim doesn't show a lasting physical injury but the
frequency of the spankings is enough to cause emotional damage?

Doesn't emotional damage count for anything?

When I was growing up I knew a kid who was spanked to sleep almost every
night of his adolescence.

He wet his bed almost every night well into his teens.

No physical injuries.

But he treats his children no better than he was treated.

Is that lasting injury long enough for ya?

Yep. That's the longest lasting damage of all. It goes on for generations.

Most parents spank a child because of their own anger. It is rarely in
relationship to whatever transgression that the child has performed. Thanks
for pointing this out, Dan.

Sherman.

"Dan Sullivan" wrote in message
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"ChrisScaife" wrote in message
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"Ignoramus29143" wrote in message
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In article , Kane
wrote:

I see you have been going anywhere but to my question in response to
your defense of spanking and OUR confusion about spanking being
beating.

spanking is a subset of beating.

IMHO beating starts when the victim shows lasting injury:
bruises, broken bones, brain damage, death...

How about if the victim is too young to understand that the pain they're
feeling is supposed to be good for them?
...

Good point.... although I would tend to think of it as emotional or
psychological abuse then.

Just so there is no doubt: I do not support any form of CP.
I didn't need it to train my dog.
I don't need it for a child either!

On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:41:11 +1300, "ChrisScaife"
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"bobb" wrote in message
nk.net...

I also found there is a sexual content to spanking. Dumb me... I never
gave a thought about S & M associations. There are adults who get off on
spanking their kids.

Hum...

I once saw a picture by a famous artist... of mother Mary spanking baby
Jezus.

I wish I could remember whom it was by!
The expression Mary's face really said it all!

Anyone else seen it ?

I had not seen it, but found the reference. It's by Max Ernst.

An image of the painting is online at:

http://www.duke.edu/web/lit132/spanking.html





--
Dorothy

There is no sound, no cry in all the world
that can be heard unless someone listens ..

The Outer Limits

"ChrisScaife" wrote in message
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"Dan Sullivan" wrote in message
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"ChrisScaife" wrote in message
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"Ignoramus29143" wrote in
message
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In article , Kane
wrote:

I see you have been going anywhere but to my question in response
to
your defense of spanking and OUR confusion about spanking being
beating.

spanking is a subset of beating.

IMHO beating starts when the victim shows lasting injury:
bruises, broken bones, brain damage, death...

How about if the victim is too young to understand that the pain they're
feeling is supposed to be good for them?
...

Good point.... although I would tend to think of it as emotional or
psychological abuse then.

And the difference is?

Just so there is no doubt: I do not support any form of CP.
I didn't need it to train my dog.
I don't need it for a child either!

Good for you... and your children.

Oh wow!
Another one!

The one I saw Mary was scowling and looking vindictive.
Jezus was howling and looking desperate.

Thanks for finding this one though!


"toto" wrote in message
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On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:41:11 +1300, "ChrisScaife"
wrote:


"bobb" wrote in message
nk.net...

I also found there is a sexual content to spanking. Dumb me... I
never
gave a thought about S & M associations. There are adults who get off
on
spanking their kids.

Hum...

I once saw a picture by a famous artist... of mother Mary spanking baby
Jezus.

I wish I could remember whom it was by!
The expression Mary's face really said it all!

Anyone else seen it ?

I had not seen it, but found the reference. It's by Max Ernst.

An image of the painting is online at:

http://www.duke.edu/web/lit132/spanking.html





--
Dorothy

There is no sound, no cry in all the world
that can be heard unless someone listens ..

The Outer Limits

In alt.parenting.spanking Ignoramus25226 wrote:
: In article , ChrisScaife wrote:
:
: "Ignoramus29143" wrote in message
: ...
: In article , Kane wrote:
:
: I see you have been going anywhere but to my question in response to
: your defense of spanking and OUR confusion about spanking being
: beating.
:
: spanking is a subset of beating.
:
: IMHO beating starts when the victim shows lasting injury:
: bruises, broken bones, brain damage, death...
:
:

: Bruises are not "lasting damage".

Bruises are a form of injury, and severe ones may be visible for
weeks. Bruising occurs when blood vessels in the dermis rupture from an
impact and leaked blood clots in the interstitial spaces, giving rise to
the characteristic discoloration associated with bruises.

: Besides, you can inflict pretty extreme pain on someone without
: bruises showing up.

This is true.

: And also, effects of horror and humiliation and feeling abused is
: certainly a "lasting damage to the brain".

Not the brain, but certainly the psyche.

By the way, just as a point of information, Odham's Dictionary of the
English Language defines "spanking" as "a beating with a flat object."

Chris

On 9 Dec 2003, Chris wrote:

In alt.parenting.spanking Ignoramus25226 wrote:
: In article , ChrisScaife wrote:
:
: "Ignoramus29143" wrote in message
: ...
: In article , Kane wrote:
:
: I see you have been going anywhere but to my question in response to
: your defense of spanking and OUR confusion about spanking being
: beating.
:
: spanking is a subset of beating.
:
: IMHO beating starts when the victim shows lasting injury:
: bruises, broken bones, brain damage, death...
:
:

: Bruises are not "lasting damage".

Bruises are a form of injury, and severe ones may be visible for
weeks. Bruising occurs when blood vessels in the dermis rupture from an
impact and leaked blood clots in the interstitial spaces, giving rise to
the characteristic discoloration associated with bruises.

: Besides, you can inflict pretty extreme pain on someone without
: bruises showing up.

This is true.

: And also, effects of horror and humiliation and feeling abused is
: certainly a "lasting damage to the brain".

Not the brain, but certainly the psyche.

By the way, just as a point of information, Odham's Dictionary of the
English Language defines "spanking" as "a beating with a flat object."

Chris

So we should change the name this newsgroup to
alt.parenting.beating-with-a-flat-object! Don't you just love
words game? ;-)

Doan

On 8 Dec 2003, Ignoramus25226 wrote:
"Ignoramus29143" wrote in message
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In article , Kane wrote:

I see you have been going anywhere but to my question in response to
your defense of spanking and OUR confusion about spanking being
beating.

spanking is a subset of beating.

How about a swat on the buttock? Is it a spanking or a beating?

Doan

"Kane" wrote in message
om...
Now here's a pip...

Something of bobb's no doubt.

see my reply intersperced.....

----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 2:05 PM
Subject: Immigration Alert: Benefits Plan For Illegal Aliens?


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*** Please Forward, and sign the petition to
*** stop immigration now!
*** http://www.stopimmigrationnow.org
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Benefits Plan For Illegal Aliens?

Hi,

As hard as it is to believe,

Hey, I can believe just about anything. I read email and post to the
Web.

included in the massive prescription drug benefit plan currently being
debated by the Senate is a provision that would provide ONE BILLION
DOLLARS of our federal taxes to pay for the cost of healthcare
provided to illegal aliens in our border states (almost 100% along the
Mexican border).


Yah mean if I want to go down to the border I'm going to have to hang
around a bunch of sick Mexicans?

That's going to smart.

Whatever your opinion about the prescription drug benefit plan in
general, you must call your senators as soon as possible and let them
know what you think about this.

Demand that they remove this funding for illegal aliens!

And allow a disease pool to build up to flow out to the rest of the
nation?

America should not be paying the healthcare costs of foreign nations.

I don't get how Mexicans living on the US side or working in the US
create a valid cost for a foreign nation..such as Mexico.

Are those Mexicans working in the US? Are they paying taxes in the US?

Then they have a right to the same services that everyone else that
lives and works here get.

Then it would seem Mexico should grant the same benefits but they don't.
It's illegal for an American citizen to own property in Mexico and are not
eligible for any Mexican 'benefits'.



I can think of a long list of people who should FIRST get this money
(or keep this money), all of them American citizens.

I only know one. His name is bobb. He should get his first just to pay
him off so he'll have some dinero to go back to school. No tiene
dinaro, loco Si.

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What you can do
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Call your rep, senators, and president. Let your voice be heard on
immigration!

Gov Contact Info:
Whitehouse comments: 202-456-1111
http://www.senate.gov/
http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW.html

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Correction
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In the last action alert, we announced that Senator Kyl from Arizona
was in favor of the agricultural guestworker program. Fortunately he
is not.

Oh, these Mexican's aren't just indigent touristas then. They come
here and work, earn their pay too I've heard. I would not work all day
in the hot sun in conditions they do for anything. I'm a lazy ass
white American.

You can call him and thank him for being opposed to the guestworker
program, which is in fact a blanket amnesty for illegal aliens.


If all the illigal aliens being ****ed about quite right now and all
walked, swam, paddled, flew, back home to their contry of origin the
economy of this nation would grind screechingly to a halt.

Not so. That is merely an excuse for stupid ass politicians to pander for
mexican votes. Illegal votes. Any politican who gained office by verture
of mexican votes should be tossed out. We need a posting of all politicans
pandering to the mexicans and vote them out of offices as well. That
includes those who support driver licenses, social security benefits,
hospitalization, and blanket citizenship. Start with Senators Kyl and
Hatch and the rest will fall.

The problem is they have already done to much damage to our society and laws
they have managed to pass will be around for along time. Those who pushed
anti-smoking laws are out of office.. but we still see the effects of their
wrong-doing.

bobb


Unfortunately, Senator Kyl does support Orrin Hatch's bill to provide
in-state tuition rates for illegal alien college students, which also
includes an amnesty provision. So you can ask him to not support
in-state tuition while you have his assistant on the line.


Damn. First thing yah know those furriners will be catchin' on and
gettin' ideas. Spoiling a good thing for lazy ass white americans that
can use them against other white americans to divert those other white
americans from catchin' on to how EVERYONE IS GETTIN' SCREWED, BLACK
WHITE RED YELLOW AND BROWN the "the man" with the money.

Also be sure to ask him to remove healthcare funding for illegal
aliens in the prescription drug benefit plan!

Watch the drug companies squeal....eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.....


Kyl:
(202) 224-4521 | (602) 840-1891 | (520) 575-8633

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Some Free Market Hope
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We don't just have power as free citizens or as voters. We also have
power as consumers.

Now that Dell has changed it's offshoring policy, I suggest we call
other companies that have been famous for offshoring jobs to India.
Off the top of my head American Express comes to mind. Remember,
whenever you are called you can ask what country they are calling
from. They have to tell you!

http://www.stopimmigrationnow.org/news.html

Now there IS a good idea. And while you are at it ask to have the
trade sanctions lifted on all those foreign nations. That diplomacy by
economic threat thing is getting a bit out of hand.



There seems to be a revolt taking place. C-Span, CNN, Fox and the like are
exposing stuff the public never really knew about. I suspect a lot grey
haired old men will lose their cushy legislative jobs in the near future and
not a vote too soon.

bobb

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Other Good News
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After a tremendous amount of work from activists all over the
country, congress UNANIMOUSLY passed the workplace verification
program - and expanded it to all 50 states. President Bush is expected
to sign the bill. You can of course encourage/thank him: (202)
456-1111 or 456-1414


I'm for it. And a living wage too. Now watch white america catch on to
the truth. Someone still has to dip sewers, crop the tomatos, sweep,
mop, etc...and for a decent wage. And who knows how and is willing?

R R R R R

The tide is turning. Let's make it a tidal wave!

You betcha. Let's hear it for WHITE POWER!!!....OPPS! 'Scuse please,
wrong group. Can someone show me to the talk.nazis.are.us newsgroup?

Greg


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What Tom Tancredo has to say about this
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Tancredo Balks At Billion Dollar Boon For Illegal Aliens

"If you build an illegal alien entitlement program, they will come"

WASHINGTON, D.C. - Congressman Tom Tancredo (CO-06) was shocked at
the conference report to H.R. 1, or what he calls the Patients Bill of
Rights for Illegal Immigrants, an expanded version of an ill-advised,
little noticed provision included in the Senate passed version of the
bill.

"Congress has been scraping to find an additional $1 billion for
veterans health care, but doesn't blink when it comes to providing $1
billion in entitlements to illegal immigrants," said Tancredo,
chairman of the Immigration Reform Caucus. "Writers of this Medicare
bill have apparently never seen the movie Field of Dreams - if you
build an illegal alien entitlement program, they will come."

The provision - which now encompasses six pages in the conference
report - provides $1 billion to reimburse hospitals for health care
costs associated with treating illegal aliens. The provision has also
been expanded to include the health care costs of aliens who have been
temporarily paroled into the U.S., and even Mexican citizens who enter
the country for 72 hours using a border crossing card.

The three-term representative from Littleton, Colorado continued
with, "While I do not dispute assertions about the financial hardships
that mandatory care presents for hospitals and health care providers,
I remain concerned that these funds will be flowing to providers in
states that actively aid and abet illegal immigration."

"Many of the states that will benefit from this provision have made
themselves magnets for illegal immigration by enacting ill-advised
policies that permit illegal aliens to obtain driver's licenses,
attend higher education for in-state rates, and obtain public services
through the use of consular ID cards. These policies create
incentives for illegal immigration and drive the need for these
emergency health care reimbursements - reimbursements that would be
underwritten by the American taxpayer if this bill becomes law. This
provision makes a bad bill even worse."

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Be glad we have Tom Tancredo working for us in congress.



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Hell, if I was a working illegal alien I'd stop paying taxes and dump
a little tea in the harbor.

The big problem with illegal aliens is that they want to become legals
and wouldn't you know it, they want education, an increase in pay, and
not having to work in conditions that would kill a boar hog.

Who the hell do they think they are undermining the highly lucrative
sweatshop economy? Well, I never....hmpphhh.

Kane