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How to increase the father's child support fees?
"John Smith" wrote On Mar 17, 7:06 pm, "Gini" wrote: "John Smith" wroteI have a friend that is getting very minimal child support from her x and is having trouble supporting herself and her daughter. The dad does not pay his child support during the winter for some reason, so then she has to go on welfare == So....she wants to live off the child support? You do know that the child support is only for the child's needs, right? If she is "disabled" why isn't she getting SSD or SSI? Maybe the dad isn't paying because he's fed up with mom taking the child's money for her own expenses? Yes. She probably should be getting SSD or SSI. That is another issue that she needs to figure out. == She needs to get it done--It can takes years from first app. to first pay. Virtually everyone must appeal at least once. == She really wants to get a job. I just don't think that's going to be possible. == That's not the dad's problem or responsibility. == |
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How to increase the father's child support fees?
John Smith wrote:
Well that certainly would be awesome. Last time I was over there I had to take her and her daughter down to city hall to take care of some stuff. In total it took us probably 4 hours. Most of it was sitting inside waiting and filling out paperwork. Not all that much walking. That was incredibly exhausting for her and she was pretty much dead for 24 hours after that. I have a hard time imagining her working right now unfortunately. And if she is in need of help she should very likely get it. But child support is not for that; it is not SPOUSAL support. How fair is it to ask the man to work harder not because the child needs more, but because the other partner can't hold up their end? "In sickness and in health" died out as soon as the separation was official. Have you asked if he can take the child in the winter? |
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How to increase the father's child support fees?
"Gini" wrote in message news:%fgLh.4286$742.488@trndny07... "John Smith" wrote On Mar 17, 7:06 pm, "Gini" wrote: "John Smith" wroteI have a friend that is getting very minimal child support from her x and is having trouble supporting herself and her daughter. The dad does not pay his child support during the winter for some reason, so then she has to go on welfare == So....she wants to live off the child support? You do know that the child support is only for the child's needs, right? If she is "disabled" why isn't she getting SSD or SSI? Maybe the dad isn't paying because he's fed up with mom taking the child's money for her own expenses? Yes. She probably should be getting SSD or SSI. That is another issue that she needs to figure out. == She needs to get it done--It can takes years from first app. to first pay. Virtually everyone must appeal at least once. == I forgot to add--She can contact Legal Aid for representation in her SS application/appeal. |
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How to increase the father's child support fees?
"John Smith" wrote in message ups.com... On Mar 18, 11:27 am, Beverly wrote: On 17 Mar 2007 16:43:45 -0700, "John Smith" wrote: I have a friend that is getting very minimal child support from her x and is having trouble supporting herself and her daughter. The dad does not pay his child support during the winter for some reason, so then she has to go on welfare (she is disabled and unable to get a job). She thinks that she might be able to make it through the winter if she can increase the father's child support fees. She is pretty certain that he is making a lot more money now than when he was originally ordered to pay child support. She was told that she could not take that to court unless she was able to prove that his income has increased. Does anyone know why she needs to prove this herself and is there any way to do this? Is there a way to get access to his tax records or something like that? thanks, John Okay, so the father is providing a portion of the child's support, but for only half the year. How is Mom supporting herself and the other portion of the child's support? Welfare. Except that she doesn't get welfare when the child support money comes in, and there is a certain transition period (a couple months i think?) between the chip support stopping and the welfare coming in where she gets no money at all. That asked and HOPEFULLY reflected upon (because it is dead wrong to use child support funds to support anyone other than the children), I have to wonder who told her that she must prove his income has increased BEFORE she takes him to court? This is normally done in the discovery phase of preparing for trial. Yeah that's what I was thinking. Most states allow for a periodic review and the custodial parent can file a motion based upon a change in the child's needs which can be listed as nothing more than an increase in needs due to an increase in age and size; HOWEVER, if what your friend is telling you is truly the case, the fact that he does not pay anything during the winter months is quite enough for a contempt hearing. Frankly, I am shocked that your friend can be on welfare ANY PORTION of the year and that they have not asked her to sign over rights to the child support... in which case she would need to get the right to collect back from them in order to take it to court herself. Well the way that it works is that when she receives welfare, that amount gets deducted from the amount that her x owes her in back child support. I don't really understand that. If that is true, it is an indication she has been caught in welfare fraud and the state's welfare recovery unit is making her pay back previously collected welfare fraud amounts out of current public money benefits. |
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How to increase the father's child support fees?
"John Smith" wrote in message oups.com... On Mar 17, 8:35 pm, "Bob Whiteside" wrote: "John Smith" wrote in message ups.com... I have a friend that is getting very minimal child support from her x and is having trouble supporting herself and her daughter. The dad does not pay his child support during the winter for some reason, so then she has to go on welfare (she is disabled and unable to get a job). She thinks that she might be able to make it through the winter if she can increase the father's child support fees. She is pretty certain that he is making a lot more money now than when he was originally ordered to pay child support. She was told that she could not take that to court unless she was able to prove that his income has increased. Does anyone know why she needs to prove this herself and is there any way to do this? Is there a way to get access to his tax records or something like that? Was she married to the child's father? Did she formally establish paternity? Does she have a court approved CS order? If the answer is "No" to any of those questions those legal steps must be completed first. BTW - Isn't Winter about over? Yes she was married to him. She does have a court approved CS order. She lives in northern Minnesota. It's still below freezing up there. Her pipes have been frozen for months. She has to take care of her daughter, yet she has no money for food and no water even right now. She has only been surviving off of the generosity of her friends. It's a bad situation. I have to say, if she *knows* that this is going to happen every winter, why isn't she preparing better for it? She could put money aside when she is receiving it to tide her over through the lean times. It makes no sense to keep falling into the same trap year after year. If she truly needs disability money, why on earth hasn't she applied for it ages ago? Is her disability mental, so she is incapable of making rational decisions? |
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How to increase the father's child support fees?
"John Smith" wrote in message ups.com... On Mar 18, 9:21 am, John Meyer wrote: John Smith wrote: I have a friend that is getting very minimal child support from her x and is having trouble supporting herself and her daughter. The dad does not pay his child support during the winter for some reason, so then she has to go on welfare (she is disabled and unable to get a job). She thinks that she might be able to make it through the winter if she can increase the father's child support fees. She is pretty certain that he is making a lot more money now than when he was originally ordered to pay child support. She was told that she could not take that to court unless she was able to prove that his income has increased. Does anyone know why she needs to prove this herself and is there any way to do this? Is there a way to get access to his tax records or something like that? thanks, John Some reason? Maybe like, say, the fact that he's a seasonal worker? And for that matter, spring's just around the corner. Has she thought about taking a job, second or first? How about going for a promotion, or working overtime? Yes she has definitely thought about taking a job. She would love to have a job. She was very happy when she was working, and now she is depressed and stuck at home b/c of a car accident and various other ailments. I don't think she is in any condition to be working at all. Oh, so you are of the opinion that, because of a car accident and depression, her ex husband should now pay more child support to support her? Do you really think that is right? She is not going to get un-depressed sitting at home with frozen pipes. Getting up and TRYING is better than sitting and waiting to be taken care of. WHY can't she work? Is the disability physical or mental? Who has diagnosed it as a disablilty? |
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How to increase the father's child support fees?
"John Smith" wrote in message ups.com... On Mar 18, 11:27 am, Beverly wrote: On 17 Mar 2007 16:43:45 -0700, "John Smith" wrote: I have a friend that is getting very minimal child support from her x and is having trouble supporting herself and her daughter. The dad does not pay his child support during the winter for some reason, so then she has to go on welfare (she is disabled and unable to get a job). She thinks that she might be able to make it through the winter if she can increase the father's child support fees. She is pretty certain that he is making a lot more money now than when he was originally ordered to pay child support. She was told that she could not take that to court unless she was able to prove that his income has increased. Does anyone know why she needs to prove this herself and is there any way to do this? Is there a way to get access to his tax records or something like that? thanks, John Okay, so the father is providing a portion of the child's support, but for only half the year. How is Mom supporting herself and the other portion of the child's support? Welfare. Except that she doesn't get welfare when the child support money comes in, and there is a certain transition period (a couple months i think?) between the chip support stopping and the welfare coming in where she gets no money at all. That asked and HOPEFULLY reflected upon (because it is dead wrong to use child support funds to support anyone other than the children), I have to wonder who told her that she must prove his income has increased BEFORE she takes him to court? This is normally done in the discovery phase of preparing for trial. Yeah that's what I was thinking. Most states allow for a periodic review and the custodial parent can file a motion based upon a change in the child's needs which can be listed as nothing more than an increase in needs due to an increase in age and size; HOWEVER, if what your friend is telling you is truly the case, the fact that he does not pay anything during the winter months is quite enough for a contempt hearing. Frankly, I am shocked that your friend can be on welfare ANY PORTION of the year and that they have not asked her to sign over rights to the child support... in which case she would need to get the right to collect back from them in order to take it to court herself. Well the way that it works is that when she receives welfare, that amount gets deducted from the amount that her x owes her in back child support. I don't really understand that. My guess is, John, is that your friend is not being completely honest with you. That, or she doesn't understand the system. I have no doubt that she is being honest me, but I also have no doubt that she does not understand the system at all. I'm sure that if she could afford a lawyer there wouldn't be this confusion, but instead she is just getting little bits of information from people that don't really have time to talk to her and understand her situation, and I'm sure there is a lot of misunderstanding that is taking place. Either way, getting more because it is believed he makes more is a very bad attitude to have. Well ideally if he paid the child support that he owes, it wouldn't be a problem. She isn't having much luck in getting that to happen so she trying to see if she can at least raise the amount that she gets during the summer. That might be enough to hold her through the winter. She should be more concerned with improving her own circumstances (and yes, many disabled people work). Well that certainly would be awesome. Last time I was over there I had to take her and her daughter down to city hall to take care of some stuff. In total it took us probably 4 hours. Most of it was sitting inside waiting and filling out paperwork. Not all that much walking. That was incredibly exhausting for her and she was pretty much dead for 24 hours after that. I have a hard time imagining her working right now unfortunately. OK, but what MEDUCAL DOCTOR or PSYCHIATRIST has said that she is disabled? Your opinion just does not count. It has to be established properly. |
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How to increase the father's child support fees?
The best way to collect support is to give more visitation and enhance the
relationship between the father and his children. see http://www.lowersupport.com for supporting statistics "John Smith" wrote in message ups.com... I have a friend that is getting very minimal child support from her x and is having trouble supporting herself and her daughter. The dad does not pay his child support during the winter for some reason, so then she has to go on welfare (she is disabled and unable to get a job). She thinks that she might be able to make it through the winter if she can increase the father's child support fees. She is pretty certain that he is making a lot more money now than when he was originally ordered to pay child support. She was told that she could not take that to court unless she was able to prove that his income has increased. Does anyone know why she needs to prove this herself and is there any way to do this? Is there a way to get access to his tax records or something like that? thanks, John |
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How to increase the father's child support fees?
Often ssi payments received by a child can be used as an offset toward child
support. see How to minimize support at http://www.lowersupport.com "Gini" wrote in message news:wIgLh.880$zN.58@trndny03... "Gini" wrote in message news:%fgLh.4286$742.488@trndny07... "John Smith" wrote On Mar 17, 7:06 pm, "Gini" wrote: "John Smith" wroteI have a friend that is getting very minimal child support from her x and is having trouble supporting herself and her daughter. The dad does not pay his child support during the winter for some reason, so then she has to go on welfare == So....she wants to live off the child support? You do know that the child support is only for the child's needs, right? If she is "disabled" why isn't she getting SSD or SSI? Maybe the dad isn't paying because he's fed up with mom taking the child's money for her own expenses? Yes. She probably should be getting SSD or SSI. That is another issue that she needs to figure out. == She needs to get it done--It can takes years from first app. to first pay. Virtually everyone must appeal at least once. == I forgot to add--She can contact Legal Aid for representation in her SS application/appeal. |
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How to increase the father's child support fees?
"fathersrights" wrote Often ssi payments received by a child can be used as an offset toward child support. == You are confusing SSI with SSD. Makes me question accuracy of the other information on your website. FYI: SSI is Social Security for indigent disabled people only. There are no SSI payments to dependents. SSD, on the other hand, is SS for disabled workers based on their prior earnings. If the earnings are such that the SSD provides more than the basic necessities, the worker's dependents may also receive benefits. If so, the benefit amount is typically credited toward the disabled worker's child support obligation. |
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