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Old June 13th 07, 03:58 AM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.support.foster-parents,alt.dads-rights.unmoderated,alt.parenting.spanking
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Default A thought: Child welfare as a money-making enterprise department?

A thought: Child welfare as a money-making enterprise department
Posted by RiShawn Biddle

http://blogs.indystar.com/expresso/a...ght_child.html

"You should have heard how the Illinois agencies used to proclaim that
money had nothing – nothing – to do with their decisions. The reason
there was 50,000 children in foster care, back in 1996, was just that
these cases were soooooooo difficult and the children simply HAD to be
with them for a long, long, time.

"But in 1997, the state of Illinois broke the stranglehold of the
agencies and forced through a change in financial incentives that
rewarded agencies for finding permanent homes and punished them for
holding children in foster care. Lo and behold: The “intractable” became
tractable, the “dysfunctional” became functional. Today, the number of
children trapped in foster care in Illinois is under 17,000. And
independent, court-appointed monitors say the children are safer.

"The funny thing is, I’m sure Doctor Franson really believes money has
no impact on the decisions made at The Villages. But what happened in
Illinois, and most changes in financial incentives in most human
endeavors, not just child welfare, prove otherwise.

"Rationalization is powerful. It can take a change in how one is paid to
start seeing children and families as they really are."

-- Richard Wexler of the National Coalition for Child Protection Reform,
in an e-mail responding to The Star's story on the merger of the
Villages with Prevent Child Abuse Indiana and the economic incentives in
the child welfare sector. A reminder that economic incentives are a
major player in all activities, even on behalf of the children.



P.S. be sure to read the comments
http://blogs.indystar.com/expresso/a...ght_child.html
they're very informative... FX



CURRENTLY CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES VIOLATES MORE CIVIL RIGHTS ON A
DAILY BASIS THEN ALL OTHER AGENCIES COMBINED INCLUDING THE NATIONAL
SECURITY AGENCY/CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY WIRETAPPING PROGRAM....

CPS Does not protect children...
It is sickening how many children are subject to abuse, neglect and even
killed at the hands of Child Protective Services.

every parent should read this .pdf from
connecticut dcf watch...

http://www.connecticutdcfwatch.com/8x11.pdf

http://www.connecticutdcfwatch.com

Number of Cases per 100,000 children in the US
These numbers come from The National Center on
Child Abuse and Neglect in Washington. (NCCAN)
Recent numbers have increased significantly for CPS

*Perpetrators of Maltreatment*

Physical Abuse CPS 160, Parents 59
Sexual Abuse CPS 112, Parents 13
Neglect CPS 410, Parents 241
Medical Neglect CPS 14 Parents 12
Fatalities CPS 6.4, Parents 1.5

Imagine that, 6.4 children die at the hands of the very agencies that
are supposed to protect them and only 1.5 at the hands of parents per
100,000 children. CPS perpetrates more abuse, neglect, and sexual abuse
and kills more children then parents in the United States. If the
citizens of this country hold CPS to the same standards that they hold
parents too. No judge should ever put another child in the hands of ANY
government agency because CPS nationwide is guilty of more harm and
death than any human being combined. CPS nationwide is guilty of more
human rights violations and deaths of children then the homes from which
they were removed. When are the judges going to wake up and see that
they are sending children to their death and a life of abuse when
children are removed from safe homes based on the mere opinion of a
bunch of social workers.

BE SURE TO FIND OUT WHERE YOUR CANDIDATES STANDS ON THE ISSUE OF
REFORMING OR ABOLISHING CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES ("MAKE YOUR CANDIDATES
TAKE A STAND ON THIS ISSUE.") THEN REMEMBER TO VOTE ACCORDINGLY IF THEY
ARE "FAMILY UNFRIENDLY" IN THE NEXT ELECTION...

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Old June 13th 07, 07:54 AM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.support.foster-parents,alt.dads-rights.unmoderated,alt.parenting.spanking
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Default A thought: Child welfare as a money-making enterprise department?

Kane wrote
You have an agenda.

To discredit CPS.


CPS discredits and disgraces THEMSELVES
better than anybody else possibly could!

How many families did you think they could tear up before
it would catch up to them in terms of public testimonials
and video footage of their outright abuse of families?

To do this you will say anything, do anything in the way of tricking
yourself and trying to trick others.


Are you getting desperate Donald?
Did you see all of the public comments on that Indiana article?

The fact is all the gimmicks tried have NOT been proven to work.


CPS agencies have had to make excuses for over THIRTY YEARS!
They haven't even come close to fulfilling their obligations.
The CPS corporate or agency culture is like a religious cult
and extremely resistant to meaningful change.

You are stupid, or liars. Or both.


You WORKED for the Oregon CPS agency, you're
an arrogant Megalomaniac and a GROUPIE or Lobbyist
for the Child Protection INDUSTRY.

You have an agenda to defend the BUREAUCRACY!

You deliberately posted gratuitous public profanity for
over a YEAR and bragged about it!
Was that your way of enhancing the Public Relations
for the Child Protection INDUSTRY?




Comments


Comment from bif on March 30, 2007 10:30 AM
Just look at the KY IG report , said that 14 caseworkers should have
charges filed against them for lying in court



Comment from Frank on March 30, 2007 10:41 AM
I told Tim Evans that 8 years ago. You're just now getting around to
publishing that?



Comment from tinfoot on March 30, 2007 1:49 PM
DCS is a total wreck and getting worse every day. I know a family that
lost five children. The parents are low income and have below average
IQ, but they do love their children, had a roof over their heads and
food on the table. Now the state is paying for foster care at the rate
of $70,000 a year plus tutoring, therapy and all the medical benefits
that go with it. Do you think maybe this family could have been kept
intact and given the help they needed for much less? Hitler
established a criteria as to who was fit to bear and raise children.
Is that what we want in this country?



Comment from hoosiermommynow on March 30, 2007 6:15 PM
I know first hand about how caseworkers lie in court. I am licensed to
foster children. I have a grandchild in the system, now over two
years. If I have a safe home for other children, why not my own
grandchild? Whats up with this? It only makes since that the true
reason would be that the state won't pay the county benefits if they
don't adopt her out to a non family member. It makes me sick to know
that my grandchild means nothing more to the state then a little
person to line someones pockets.



Comment from Rita Staton on March 30, 2007 9:59 PM
The main goal of Child Protection Services is to make money. Children
are not protected, as this agency hides behind secrecy to cloak a
"facade" to the public that children would be better protected by
their agency' intervention. This is a horrific lie of government fraud
and misuse of tax payers' money.

First of all, CPS violates both the parents and children' right for
factual investigations to be done, as most all the workers are not
trained to investigate or have full knowledge of the state statutes,
the definitions of "abuse" or 'neglect", unfamiliar with the policy
and procedures of both state and federal guidelines, and lack the
ability to identify what socio-economical issues play a role in the
issue at hand, to be aware of any validity to the allegations, by way
of for the need of the parent vs true abuse and neglect.

Parents are not given any rights noted in the Constitution, nor are
citizens given the right to protect their own children from this
govenment agency that literally abuses their authority to make biased
and harsh decisions without any proof, does nothing in regard to
maintain a family unit, and is never held accountable for their lack
of ability to actually identify if a child is in danger or not.

Parents are violated, as if we are under dictatorship as parent's are
not given

""the right
*To by informed of the charges
*To be questioned in the presence of an attorney
or non-CPS advocate acting on behalf for the
parent' and children' sake
*For a fair jury, the right to a speedy trail
*To compentent and honest counsel, the right for
presumption of innocence until proven guilty
by "facts, tangible, valid, and un-refutage
evidence to be true beyond a ponderance of
doubt"
*The right to face the accuser, the right to due
process, the right to redress of grievances
*For an appeal in a timely manner
*To legal and/or criminal action against the
false and/or malicious prosecution set forth by
false allegations of the person who maked the
false claim and/or the CPS worker if the worker
fails to perform a complete investigation and
ignores valid evidence of the falsehoods of the
allegations
*Against forced or coerced confession and/or
waiver of civil rights.""
*To have given any and all medical reports,
statements made by others, and any an all
information related to their children and
themselves.

Again, CPS does not protect children, this is not their goal, as the
money is the reason for the agency' functioning. The more money given
the more children removed from their homes, the more children are
killed by other than parent. Those people that kill and abuse the
children are NEVER PROSECUTED, for the protection of CPS/DCS. This
allow no accountability and hides the crimes of their lack of
utilizing the money dilegently and for the good and "protection".

CPS is the abuser to parents and children, as this agency uses
threats, intimidation, and force, to obtain signatures from the
parents, forcing parents to take classes that are not necessary,
forcing the children to say things for the CPS workers to turn the
words around, and most of all, CPS does not listen to the parent
regarding the situation at hand.

The courts are made a mockery of as the judges sit as a monkey to
rubber stamp the bogus and perjurious statements of CPS workers, and
we, the citizens get to pay for the care of children for months and
months and years, as this agency does everything to terminate the
parents of their rights, again by force and no right for a fair trial,
and then the bucks roll into the state's funding for more waste or
political parties of fun and self glorification.



Comment from Rita Staton on March 30, 2007 10:00 PM
Duplicate of her 9:59 PM comments



Comment from Rita Staton on March 30, 2007 10:07 PM
Money to the state to steal a child is done as a criminal activity.
CPS can commit perjury without any penalties. CPS can take a child
from a parent that has done nothing, then give the child to a foster
that abuses or kills the child, but nothing is none. The workers will
use names in their allegations without speaking to the person. My name
was used many times, but the social worker that wrote and signed the
report never spoke to me. CPS will walk into court with allegations,
but yet document on their affidavant that they knew the claims are
false, but, we are still keeping the children in foster, and court
after court, after court, CPS drags out the drama to make sure the
time line goes beyond the time to adopt the child out for even more
money.



Comment from Rita Staton on March 30, 2007 10:31 PM
The Village makes big bucks for children, but the children they place
may not need placed, but returned to their own home. Why should they
care, they are making money, as no one can do anything about it, as
this is all in secret files to never be reviewed.
As children are stolen from their homes by DCS by false allegations,
parents have no fair or just trial, the Village helps dispose of the
children that had safe homes to strange and unfamiliar people. Does
Tony Dungy know the truth of what CPS/DSC is doing, how they function,
how the children are abused and murdered more often under state care
than by the parents, and CPS/DCS' lack of responsiblity and
accountability as they ignore written policies and willingness to
commit perjury, falsify court records, and deliberately withhold the
truth from the judge?? Most importantly, the fact that the judge does
nothing to evaluate what is even being said or refusing to allow the
parent to speak for their own sake?
So, Prevent Child Abuse Center can tell people to call about child
abuse, but they can only continue to allow CPS/DCS to abuse and murder
children under the state's care, at a rate of 25-30%, but do
nothing!!!! Now, it is understood that a change of statistics is noted
that 37% of the children under state care dies. How is this prevent?
Why are we paying more and more for nothing or no improvement of this
agencies negligence and irresponsibility of performance?
I question, how many children has the Village placed that was
literally taken from a safe home and parents were threatened to
terminate parental rights and denied a fair trial with an un-biased
council??
The government agency is political, not for children, but for the
money. As when a crime is committed by the state worker of CPS/DCS,
not even the Attorney General Inspector, Governor, State Police, or
Marion County Prosecutor will do anything, even with evidence in hand,
medical records of an infant's head bashed in with a large brain
hemipheric lesion of trauma, that was done by the person CPS handed
the infant to, who made the false outragous allegations without any
evidence to support the claim.
Money or protection?? It is not to protect. The money spent is wasted
and should be used to promote safety, education, programs to allow
families to be successful, NOT destroyed.
Don't make your neighbor mad, as she can call you in as hitting your
child, (even though you didn't), because CPS will take your child, and
you, dear soul, will loose everything you ever had and will ever have
to attempt to protect and prove your innocence, and still loose the
most precious thing you will ever have, your child.



Comment from Rita Staton on March 30, 2007 10:54 PM
The government agency, Child Protection Services, is out of control,
violating the very essence of our civil rights, allow children to be
murdered, and the records kept by this government agency is non-
existing, they can not valid their use of funds, they duplicate
services, force people to have services that are unnecessary, and they
can not account for the truth of why services are provided. They
function in secrecy, conspire with lies, and do nothing to prevent the
need of funds to be utilized, as they lack a proper method to
investigate, collect all pertinent information, carefully evaluate the
allegation, and listen to the truth. Be happy friends, as you, the tax
payers' get to pay and pay for this agency to do this to many innocent
families, as the state is making money at the suffering of children
being abused and murdered under state care providers, parents being
defamed, financially exhausted, and family units destroyed.

What effectiveness has CPS/DCS had for the children's protection?
Behavioral facade and grandiose use of tax payers' money does nothing
to protect children.
Point:
A person can call CPS to make a false allegation that the mother of a
child does drugs. But mother is tested, and tested, and tested, for
over a year, as the tests are all negative, as the mother repeatedly
stated, "I do not do drugs"
The child of this mother was given to the person whom made the
allegation of false claims, who was reported to be a true drug user by
court docu;mentation and seen with drugs, but CPS does not want to
hear this, and ignores this, even though this person' drug screens are
so high off the chart for cocaine and THC, benzodiazapines, ect. but
this is okay for this person to keep the child. EXCUSE ME!!! WHAT IS
WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE???

So, remove a child from a parent for false allegation the parent uses
drugs, that is proven not true, but allow a person to have the child
when that person is proven to be an active and chronic drug user. This
makes sense in what way??? It its the money!!! Protection is not even
a thought. They do not have to fear, as no one can review their lies
or see the lack of evidence they did not have to remove the child in
the first place!!!!



Comment from hoosiermommynow on March 30, 2007 11:14 PM
Isn't that the truth. I have a relative in another state who wishes to
adopt a baby. Her and her husband just recently became foster parents
because the case worker promised them that this would be the fastest
way to adopt a child. This caseworkers words were, "We fight really
hard in court for the foster parents to adopt the children". Not only
that, but the state will also pay their adoption expenses. This
relative of mine just recently got this baby, and is already calling
her " her child" It is my understanding that a foster parent is
suppose to be a professional, and work with the family for
reunification. Are they when they are promised before hand that this
is the way to go in order to adopt a child fast? How can a caseworker
know this if this isn't pre planned, and part of normal procedure for
them? If it smells like a fish, it probably is a fish!



Comment from Rita Staton on March 30, 2007 11:47 PM
How is it that money can be the focus to remove children from their
homes, have more children abused and killed at the hands of the
intervention of CPS, but yet it is not stopped??

If an policeman ran the streets shooting people he thought looked like
a criminal, the policeman would be put into prison for murder. But our
CPS/DCS workers can remove children by hearsay and biased non-factual
misuse of word play, place the children in danger, and abuse or death
occurs, but nothing is done. Why?? Why?? This agency has been and
currently is known to be the death trap and abuse arena of children
for many years, as the numbers of abuse and deaths by this agency'
negligence and lack of accountability and responsibility is year after
year, is rehashed and rehashed, while millions of children are placed
into a grave or suffer post traumatic syndrome day after day!! This
must stop!! The government will spend more time to evaluate and spend
millions of dollars to find out the reason a whale swam to shore to
die, than to protect the life on ONE precious child! This government
agency will allow choas and lack of documentation, education,
investigation, and pure deliberate employee negligence, for a child to
be abused and murdered if one buck was to be made!



Comment from Rita Staton on March 31, 2007 12:06 AM
The Villages will make a profit, CPS will continue to remove children
from safe home by falsication of allegations and hearsay, and parents
in Indiana will be devastated, over worked, over stressed, bankrupt,
fore-closured, car repoed, over taxed, to continue this dictatorship
of a fraudulent and fleecing of tax dollar agency, that reports to NO
ONE.

In essence, according to the track record of behavior by state workers
of CPS, a person with a low income deserves to have their children
stolen from them, and 1 of 3 children under state care is murdered ...
isn't this a form of genocide? Isn't this what Hitler did? I will
continue to pray for these Republican figures and all political
figures that willingly turn their head regarding the number of
children that are being devastated or murdered under state care, by
CPS' irresponsibility and negligence, with great hopes that He will
give wisdom, knowledge, and most of all, good common sense.
(Regardless is the statistics is 25% or 42% of deaths of children
under the state wardship, it is 1% too many, un-excusable, a
reportable -- should be- and investigated for quality control and
prevention, NOT damage control!! Hide it, seal it, burn or shred it.
That is what they do.)

Not all citizens can live the financially stable and cushy privileged
comfort as the political figures in Indiana, the "Good Old Boys", as
we, the citizens are paying for their richness of the Republican
disrespectful and careless use of the citizens' tax dollars.
The recent study done in Berlin, that found that out of a total of 21
industrial countries,
the United States was 2ND to worst regarding the government' ability
or concern for family. This is not acceptable!! We pay too much, but
yet get nothing for a return. Wade Horn said the study was
"Meaningless". This is the quote of all quotes, as it is known to many
citizens, children are treated as "Meaningless" by our government
agency, CPS, as it is the money, not the welfare of the children that
is of any concern.
All this information that is available to validate that children are
in more danger for abuse and deaths under the care of the state
providers, of which has been for many years,
Perpetrators of Maltreatment:
Physical Abuse - 160 by CPS and 59 by parents
Sexual Abuse - 112 by CPS and 13 by parents
Neglect - 410 by CPS and 241 by parents
Medical Neglect - 14 by CPS and 12 by parents
Fatalities - 6.4 by CPS and 1.5 by parents

Number of Cases per 100,000 children in the United States. These
numbers come from The National Center on Child Abuse and Neglect
(NCCAN) in Washington .

BUT WHAT IS BEING DONE???? ARE WE YAHOOS THAT CANNOT UNDERSTAND WHY WE
SHOULD NOT PUT OUR FINGER IN THE FIRE?????? DAH?

Children are being abused and murdered by our own government and our
own MONEY!!! Not one of Indiana' political figures cares or has the
dignity, integrity, morales, or ethical values, to STOP the horrific
destruction of the lives of parents, children, and family unit. We
need God' Hand to raise a leader, that is not fearful of the political
party' issue, but the heart-felt desire to truly serve the people with
respectful dedication to the people, for the people' well-being,
protection, successes, happiness, and free of self-glorification. I
pray, this comes soon, as many children are suffering right now, as I
send this letter to beg for change.




Comment from Amanda on March 31, 2007 1:18 AM
I know some children in foster care with their aunt. They are no
better than they were with their parents. They are not treated well
and certainly not like family. Quite sad really. However, the aunt
receives funds from the state AND her brother to take care of his
kids. She isn't supposed to take any money from the childrens father.
She is a money-grubber on many levels. That is one other sick story
where a caseworker has dropped the ball.



Comment from chitchatt on March 31, 2007 2:14 AM
CPS was called by my x husband when I was only 15 minutes late in
picking them up. He called and told them I had abandoned my children
on him. He in no way wanted them, but he wanted to hurt me some more.
I divorced him because he was an extremely violent man and they knew
this because he had knocked me out in their office! No one seen
anything! They told him not to return them to me for any reason and
that they would pick them up the next morning. Which, they did. 4 days
later the Judge ordered them returned to me because the only thing
they could hold against me was that my children had 1 unexcused absent
day at school that year! They made them miss 3 in that time. I won so,
after that there was nothing I could do right. They had my neighbor to
report to them, they even had our town marshal in on their reign of
terror on our family! I was not a bad mother. They just wanted
revenge! And they got it. They ended up winning because, how could I
continue? I had already sunk over 20,000.00 into atty fees and
whatever my atty said, proved, countered, was on deaf ears. My case
was decided before we even got there. CPS even tried to go so far as
to set up what would have looked like sexual abuse but the funny thing
was, neither I or their father had ever, ever been alone with any of
them. And that left only the bbysitter. But then they let that drop.
(later handing out this bbysitters card=highly recommended!)They took
my children, never to have given them back to me. I tricked the system
into getting them back though. I used the x husband. I promised him no
support would be asked for ever if he would just tell them that he
wanted them. Was 3 years into this and they finally gave them to him,
which he handed them to me. We lost over 3 years. Trust of others.
Friends. Family. This was in the early 1990s and I was an only one I
thought. They were just gearing up. The woman who got mad at me in CPS
office and yelled at me, just this Dont you come in here and yell at
me! Do you know my power? Let me show you! I am taking your children
as of right now! And ,,she did!



Comment from chitchatt on March 31, 2007 2:25 AM
The woman that ordered my children taken away is now I believe, Head
of The Villages? Or something big in there. She used me for practice
while she was in training to steal and cash in on taking our children!
I tell alot of fact's in what I write, and if someone were to read
this that knew my story would know instantly who I am, so, how could I
get on here and lie to you people knowing someone could then turn
around and sue me?? Please people, wake up! I did not deserve what
they did to me, my children did not deserve what they did to them. The
abuse they recieved in those places was by far worse than anything I
would ever dream of doing to a child! They were instantly split up.
One, the oldest went to stay with an officer of the law,,,who
proceeded to hancuff my son to the bed so that he would not come in
and interfere with their christmas party! I would have been in jail
for sure but they say it was ok,,:::???? How can we not do
something??? Please people, check out the stats for yourself! Lots of
webs out there now! Our group is growing daily as they daily steal our
children! Try your first search for info at: www.honkforkids.com (We
are real people just like you) We could be you. You could be one of
us! Just know, Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely!



Comment from offineerkitty on April 1, 2007 3:50 PM

I have some questions?

Why is it in the State of Indiana the children who are maltreated and
severely abused are left with their abusers?

Why is it in the State of Indiana the children who are loved and cared
for by their parent/s are taken from them to be abused by the State
and/or foster care?


Why is it when the children who were maltreated and severely abused
grow up to be adults they are left with no medical insurance or the
means to get the proper help dealing with the abuse they suffered
under?

And do not claim that this isn't true because it has/is happening to
me!

But then again, this is the State of Indiana, and how stupid of me to
think Indiana is a Just State and protects the children!




Comment from Frank on April 2, 2007 10:07 AM
offineerkitty,

Standard procedure is to take the children and hold them until the
parents confess. Confession is an automatic substantiation.
Substnatiation is important because they don't get reimbursed without
it. It is a lot easier coerce a confession than to actually
investigate. When the parents give in, the children are returned.
Ninety-nine times out of a hundred, nothing else happens. The other
time turns out badly, makes the headlines, and people wonder why CPS
gave the children back. You can abuse your children, you just have to
cooperate with CPS, grovel a lot, and butter up the caseworker. It is
the parents who maintain their innocence, insist on their rights, and
fight the system who get hammered.



Comment from Forensic6 on April 2, 2007 4:27 PM
Wow. None of you know a THING about DCS/CPS that is rooted in FACT.

Try this one on for size: "The sky is falling! The sky is falling!"
Now, go do your thing.



Comment from hoosiermommynow on April 2, 2007 5:57 PM
Oh yeah?, And what makes you the know it all? Is your feelings hurt?
Like you said in the J&C, you haven't sold any kids in the black
market, so why are you so defensive? Oh no, now I know you will steal
my government cheese. We post because we know from experience just
what is going on with CPS/DCS in Tippecanoe county, and Indiana.
Didn't you say you were from Colorado? Then why worry what people know
about Lafayette Indiana? You yourself said it was ugly. You are right.
It's getting uglier all of the time.



Comment from Parrish Peeples on May 10, 2007 5:03 PM
My name is Parrish and I reside in Illinois. The State of Indiana DCS
has been harrassing me since 12-14-06 regarding my daughters case with
them. Her 1 yr. old was removed because of a bone fracture. Her 4 and
6 year old reside in the State of Illinois and always have. Since the
beginning of her case I have been verbally threatened that if I did
not bring my grandson to Tippicanoe County to be put in foster care I
would be arrested. Well, I did not let DCS tell me what to do, my
grandson is a resident of Illinois. Exactly 7 weeks into my daughters
case the Case worker Kevin Hintzman called me (1-18-07)to tell me that
since I did not do as I was told he called DCFS in Illinois on me so
that they could remove all children from my home because of abuse and
neglect. My State fell for this trick even though I explained that
they only wanted my grandson at any expense at which I became. Well ,
Illinois could not remove him because there was no abuse or neglect.
But to keep an eye on him I was indicated on injuries that my 1 yr.
grandson received while in Indiana even though I was in Illinois. Now
five months later my daughter is on life support plus she is in a coma
and they still want my 6 year old grandson. I was told that if I don't
turn over him the family will not get to see her 1 year old again.
They are holding him for the ransom of his brother. I am looking for a
Civil Rights Lawyer to this day and I will not give up. The State of
Indiana used false information to start the case on me in another
State although they have never been to my house or seen my children
they have accused me of abuse and neglect harrased me, defamed my
character and put my children through hell. I am hoping to use my case
to help all others that are in the same situation. The Constitution
was created to protect our rights as citizens as well as human beings.
The State of Indiana stripped me of those rights and lied to the State
of Illinois to uptain their help in removing a child from a stable
home. Although they did not remove him, he has been torn apart from my
home. He's now in another State with relatives to keep him safe. So
Indiana still tore my family apart.


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Old June 13th 07, 11:56 AM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.support.foster-parents,alt.dads-rights.unmoderated,alt.parenting.spanking
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On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 19:58:48 -0700, fx wrote:

A thought: Child welfare as a money-making enterprise department
Posted by RiShawn Biddle

http://blogs.indystar.com/expresso/a...ght_child.html

"You should have heard how the Illinois agencies used to proclaim that
money had nothing – nothing – to do with their decisions. The reason
there was 50,000 children in foster care, back in 1996, was just that
these cases were soooooooo difficult and the children simply HAD to be
with them for a long, long, time.

"But in 1997, the state of Illinois broke the stranglehold of the
agencies and forced through a change in financial incentives that
rewarded agencies for finding permanent homes and punished them for
holding children in foster care. Lo and behold: The “intractable” became
tractable, the “dysfunctional” became functional. Today, the number of
children trapped in foster care in Illinois is under 17,000. And
independent, court-appointed monitors say the children are safer.

"The funny thing is, I’m sure Doctor Franson really believes money has
no impact on the decisions made at The Villages. But what happened in
Illinois, and most changes in financial incentives in most human
endeavors, not just child welfare, prove otherwise.

"Rationalization is powerful. It can take a change in how one is paid to
start seeing children and families as they really are."

-- Richard Wexler of the National Coalition for Child Protection Reform,
in an e-mail responding to The Star's story on the merger of the
Villages with Prevent Child Abuse Indiana and the economic incentives in
the child welfare sector. A reminder that economic incentives are a
major player in all activities, even on behalf of the children.


The usual bull****. They seem to not notice that child deaths have
reduced steadily across the nation since the mid to late nineties,
regardless of the foster care placement numbers.

This is presumptuous claptrap that misleads decision makers.

For instance, a claim was made by the propagandists, such as those
above, that child deaths went down...as though ONE year comparison to
the next year is actually significant and CAUSED by the change in out
of home care.


WTF are you talking about - the article says nothing about child deaths.

Grasping at straws seems to be your default debating stance. lol.


The fact is by 2004 it was right back up.


snipped Don's attempt to introduce strawman

FX, you and your idiot cronies combined with these idiots, Richard
Wexler being one of the greater of the crowd, are, to my view, among
the most dangerous forces AGAINST families and children ever
assembled.


Coming from a pervert who lied to get access to vulnerable children,
then spammed these poor children to faggots on usenet - your comments
are a GREAT BIG HAHAHAHEHEHE.


You have an agenda.


Don you're hilarious.



To discredit CPS.


CPS needs no help -- they have scum like you to discredit them. lol.


To do this you will say anything, do anything in the way of tricking
yourself and trying to trick others.


You mean I might hold myself out to be a 'web developer' to gain access
to vulnerable children -- then spam the poor children to faggots -- like
pork sausage on eBay?? Then lie and deny and whine like a bunny in a
dogs mouth.

Wait a minute.

Don -- you did that - you pig.



The fact is all the gimmicks tried have NOT been proven to work.


How about your 'gimmicks' Don - the one's that paint you as the big
kahoona -- with kiddies to give to butt****ers like it was homo xmas. lol.


You are stupid, or liars. Or both.


You're a worthless piece of CPS **** ready to kiss CPS ass at a moments
notice.

10's of thousands of children were saved from a fate worse than death --
foster hell -- and you cry like a baby --

Whattsamatter sweetboy - less kiddies mean less money for scum like you
and yours. Get a job like normal folk and stop cashing in on poor folks
misery.






0:]






P.S. be sure to read the comments
http://blogs.indystar.com/expresso/a...ght_child.html
they're very informative... FX



CURRENTLY CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES VIOLATES MORE CIVIL RIGHTS ON A
DAILY BASIS THEN ALL OTHER AGENCIES COMBINED INCLUDING THE NATIONAL
SECURITY AGENCY/CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY WIRETAPPING PROGRAM....

CPS Does not protect children...
It is sickening how many children are subject to abuse, neglect and even
killed at the hands of Child Protective Services.

every parent should read this .pdf from
connecticut dcf watch...

http://www.connecticutdcfwatch.com/8x11.pdf

http://www.connecticutdcfwatch.com

Number of Cases per 100,000 children in the US
These numbers come from The National Center on
Child Abuse and Neglect in Washington. (NCCAN)
Recent numbers have increased significantly for CPS

*Perpetrators of Maltreatment*

Physical Abuse CPS 160, Parents 59
Sexual Abuse CPS 112, Parents 13
Neglect CPS 410, Parents 241
Medical Neglect CPS 14 Parents 12
Fatalities CPS 6.4, Parents 1.5

Imagine that, 6.4 children die at the hands of the very agencies that
are supposed to protect them and only 1.5 at the hands of parents per
100,000 children. CPS perpetrates more abuse, neglect, and sexual abuse
and kills more children then parents in the United States. If the
citizens of this country hold CPS to the same standards that they hold
parents too. No judge should ever put another child in the hands of ANY
government agency because CPS nationwide is guilty of more harm and
death than any human being combined. CPS nationwide is guilty of more
human rights violations and deaths of children then the homes from which
they were removed. When are the judges going to wake up and see that
they are sending children to their death and a life of abuse when
children are removed from safe homes based on the mere opinion of a
bunch of social workers.

BE SURE TO FIND OUT WHERE YOUR CANDIDATES STANDS ON THE ISSUE OF
REFORMING OR ABOLISHING CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES ("MAKE YOUR CANDIDATES
TAKE A STAND ON THIS ISSUE.") THEN REMEMBER TO VOTE ACCORDINGLY IF THEY
ARE "FAMILY UNFRIENDLY" IN THE NEXT ELECTION...



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Old June 14th 07, 04:50 AM posted to alt.support.child-protective-services,alt.support.foster-parents,alt.dads-rights.unmoderated,alt.parenting.spanking
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Kane on the citizen comments posted in Indianapolis:
Read them, they are opinions, and ignorance on parade. Even federal
law is ignored to spout them. This is why you folks can never win. You
lie, big time.


What Federal Law was ignored to spout them?

You sure are anxious to gag citizens Kane!



On Jun 13, 1:54 am, Greegor wrote:
Kane wrote

You have an agenda.


To discredit CPS.


CPS discredits and disgraces THEMSELVES
better than anybody else possibly could!

How many families did you think they could tear up before
it would catch up to them in terms of public testimonials
and video footage of their outright abuse of families?

To do this you will say anything, do anything in the way of tricking
yourself and trying to trick others.


Are you getting desperate Donald?
Did you see all of the public comments on that Indiana article?

The fact is all the gimmicks tried have NOT been proven to work.


CPS agencies have had to make excuses for over THIRTY YEARS!
They haven't even come close to fulfilling their obligations.
The CPS corporate or agency culture is like a religious cult
and extremely resistant to meaningful change.

You are stupid, or liars. Or both.


You WORKED for the Oregon CPS agency, you're
an arrogant Megalomaniac and a GROUPIE or Lobbyist
for the Child Protection INDUSTRY.

You have an agenda to defend the BUREAUCRACY!

You deliberately posted gratuitous public profanity for
over a YEAR and bragged about it!
Was that your way of enhancing the Public Relations
for the Child Protection INDUSTRY?



On Jun 12, 9:58 pm, fx wrote:
A thought: Child welfare as a money-making enterprise department
Posted by RiShawn Biddle

http://blogs.indystar.com/expresso/a...ght_child.html

"You should have heard how the Illinois agencies used to proclaim that
money had nothing - nothing - to do with their decisions. The reason
there was 50,000 children in foster care, back in 1996, was just that
these cases were soooooooo difficult and the children simply HAD to be
with them for a long, long, time.

"But in 1997, the state of Illinois broke the stranglehold of the
agencies and forced through a change in financial incentives that
rewarded agencies for finding permanent homes and punished them for
holding children in foster care. Lo and behold: The "intractable" became
tractable, the "dysfunctional" became functional. Today, the number of
children trapped in foster care in Illinois is under 17,000. And
independent, court-appointed monitors say the children are safer.

"The funny thing is, I'm sure Doctor Franson really believes money has
no impact on the decisions made at The Villages. But what happened in
Illinois, and most changes in financial incentives in most human
endeavors, not just child welfare, prove otherwise.

"Rationalization is powerful. It can take a change in how one is paid to
start seeing children and families as they really are."

-- Richard Wexler of the National Coalition for Child Protection Reform,
in an e-mail responding to The Star's story on the merger of the
Villages with Prevent Child Abuse Indiana and the economic incentives in
the child welfare sector. A reminder that economic incentives are a
major player in all activities, even on behalf of the children.



commentshttp://blogs.indystar.com/expresso/archives/2007/03/a_thought_child.html

Comments

Comment from bif on March 30, 2007 10:30 AM
Just look at the KY IG report , said that 14 caseworkers should have
charges filed against them for lying in court

Comment from Frank on March 30, 2007 10:41 AM
I told Tim Evans that 8 years ago. You're just now getting around to
publishing that?

Comment from tinfoot on March 30, 2007 1:49 PM
DCS is a total wreck and getting worse every day. I know a family that
lost five children. The parents are low income and have below average
IQ, but they do love their children, had a roof over their heads and
food on the table. Now the state is paying for foster care at the rate
of $70,000 a year plus tutoring, therapy and all the medical benefits
that go with it. Do you think maybe this family could have been kept
intact and given the help they needed for much less? Hitler
established a criteria as to who was fit to bear and raise children.
Is that what we want in this country?

Comment from hoosiermommynow on March 30, 2007 6:15 PM
I know first hand about how caseworkers lie in court. I am licensed to
foster children. I have a grandchild in the system, now over two
years. If I have a safe home for other children, why not my own
grandchild? Whats up with this? It only makes since that the true
reason would be that the state won't pay the county benefits if they
don't adopt her out to a non family member. It makes me sick to know
that my grandchild means nothing more to the state then a little
person to line someones pockets.

Comment from Rita Staton on March 30, 2007 9:59 PM
The main goal of Child Protection Services is to make money. Children
are not protected, as this agency hides behind secrecy to cloak a
"facade" to the public that children would be better protected by
their agency' intervention. This is a horrific lie of government fraud
and misuse of tax payers' money.

First of all, CPS violates both the parents and children' right for
factual investigations to be done, as most all the workers are not
trained to investigate or have full knowledge of the state statutes,
the definitions of "abuse" or 'neglect", unfamiliar with the policy
and procedures of both state and federal guidelines, and lack the
ability to identify what socio-economical issues play a role in the
issue at hand, to be aware of any validity to the allegations, by way
of for the need of the parent vs true abuse and neglect.

Parents are not given any rights noted in the Constitution, nor are
citizens given the right to protect their own children from this
govenment agency that literally abuses their authority to make biased
and harsh decisions without any proof, does nothing in regard to
maintain a family unit, and is never held accountable for their lack
of ability to actually identify if a child is in danger or not.

Parents are violated, as if we are under dictatorship as parent's are
not given

""the right
*To by informed of the charges
*To be questioned in the presence of an attorney
or non-CPS advocate acting on behalf for the
parent' and children' sake
*For a fair jury, the right to a speedy trail
*To compentent and honest counsel, the right for
presumption of innocence until proven guilty
by "facts, tangible, valid, and un-refutage
evidence to be true beyond a ponderance of
doubt"
*The right to face the accuser, the right to due
process, the right to redress of grievances
*For an appeal in a timely manner
*To legal and/or criminal action against the
false and/or malicious prosecution set forth by
false allegations of the person who maked the
false claim and/or the CPS worker if the worker
fails to perform a complete investigation and
ignores valid evidence of the falsehoods of the
allegations
*Against forced or coerced confession and/or
waiver of civil rights.""
*To have given any and all medical reports,
statements made by others, and any an all
information related to their children and
themselves.

Again, CPS does not protect children, this is not their goal, as the
money is the reason for the agency' functioning. The more money given
the more children removed from their homes, the more children are
killed by other than parent. Those people that kill and abuse the
children are NEVER PROSECUTED, for the protection of CPS/DCS. This
allow no accountability and hides the crimes of their lack of
utilizing the money dilegently and for the good and "protection".

CPS is the abuser to parents and children, as this agency uses
threats, intimidation, and force, to obtain signatures from the
parents, forcing parents to take classes that are not necessary,
forcing the children to say things for the CPS workers to turn the
words around, and most of all, CPS does not listen to the parent
regarding the situation at hand.

The courts are made a mockery of as the judges sit as a monkey to
rubber stamp the bogus and perjurious statements of CPS workers, and
we, the citizens get to pay for the care of children for months and
months and years, as this agency does everything to terminate the
parents of their rights, again by force and no right for a fair trial,
and then the bucks roll into the state's funding for more waste or
political parties of fun and self glorification.

Comment from Rita Staton on March 30, 2007 10:00 PM
Duplicate of her 9:59 PM comments

Comment from Rita Staton on March 30, 2007 10:07 PM
Money to the state to steal a child is done as a criminal activity.
CPS can commit perjury without any penalties. CPS can take a child
from a parent that has done nothing, then give the child to a foster
that abuses or kills the child, but nothing is none. The workers will
use names in their allegations without speaking to the person. My name
was used many times, but the social worker that wrote and signed the
report never spoke to me. CPS will walk into court with allegations,
but yet document on their affidavant that they knew the claims are
false, but, we are still keeping the children in foster, and court
after court, after court, CPS drags out the drama to make sure the
time line goes beyond the time to adopt the child out for even more
money.

Comment from Rita Staton on March 30, 2007 10:31 PM
The Village makes big bucks for children, but the children they place
may not need placed, but returned to their own home. Why should they
care, they are making money, as no one can do anything about it, as
this is all in secret files to never be reviewed.
As children are stolen from their homes by DCS by false allegations,
parents have no fair or just trial, the Village helps dispose of the
children that had safe homes to strange and unfamiliar people. Does
Tony Dungy know the truth of what CPS/DSC is doing, how they function,
how the children are abused and murdered more often under state care
than by the parents, and CPS/DCS' lack of responsiblity and
accountability as they ignore written policies and willingness to
commit perjury, falsify court records, and deliberately withhold the
truth from the judge?? Most importantly, the fact that the judge does
nothing to evaluate what is even being said or refusing to allow the
parent to speak for their own sake?
So, Prevent Child Abuse Center can tell people to call about child
abuse, but they can only continue to allow CPS/DCS to abuse and murder
children under the state's care, at a rate of 25-30%, but do
nothing!!!! Now, it is understood that a change of statistics is noted
that 37% of the children under state care dies. How is this prevent?
Why are we paying more and more for nothing or no improvement of this
agencies negligence and irresponsibility of performance?
I question, how many children has the Village placed that was
literally taken from a safe home and parents were threatened to
terminate parental rights and denied a fair trial with an un-biased
council??
The government agency is political, not for children, but for the
money. As when a crime is committed by the state worker of CPS/DCS,
not even the Attorney General Inspector, Governor, State Police, or
Marion County Prosecutor will do anything, even with evidence in hand,
medical records of an infant's head bashed in with a large brain
hemipheric lesion of trauma, that was done by the person CPS handed
the infant to, who made the false outragous allegations without any
evidence to support the claim.
Money or protection?? It is not to protect. The money spent is wasted
and should be used to promote safety, education, programs to allow
families to be successful, NOT destroyed.
Don't make your neighbor mad, as she can call you in as hitting your
child, (even though you didn't), because CPS will take your child, and
you, dear soul, will loose everything you ever had and will ever have
to attempt to protect and prove your innocence, and still loose the
most precious thing you will ever have, your child.

Comment from Rita Staton on March 30, 2007 10:54 PM
The government agency, Child Protection Services, is out of control,
violating the very essence of our civil rights, allow children to be
murdered, and the records kept by this government agency is non-
existing, they can not valid their use of funds, they duplicate
services, force people to have services that are unnecessary, and they
can not account for the truth of why services are provided. They
function in secrecy, conspire with lies, and do nothing to prevent the
need of funds to be utilized, as they lack a proper method to
investigate, collect all pertinent information, carefully evaluate the
allegation, and listen to the truth. Be happy friends, as you, the tax
payers' get to pay and pay for this agency to do this to many innocent
families, as the state is making money at the suffering of children
being abused and murdered under state care providers, parents being
defamed, financially exhausted, and family units destroyed.

What effectiveness has CPS/DCS had for the children's protection?
Behavioral facade and grandiose use of tax payers' money does nothing
to protect children.
Point:
A person can call CPS to make a false allegation that the mother of a
child does drugs. But mother is tested, and tested, and tested, for
over a year, as the tests are all negative, as the mother repeatedly
stated, "I do not do drugs"
The child of this mother was given to the person whom made the
allegation of false claims, who was reported to be a true drug user by
court docu;mentation and seen with drugs, but CPS does not want to
hear this, and ignores this, even though this person' drug screens are
so high off the chart for cocaine and THC, benzodiazapines, ect. but
this is okay for this person to keep the child. EXCUSE ME!!! WHAT IS
WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE???

So, remove a child from a parent for false allegation the parent uses
drugs, that is proven not true, but allow a person to have the child
when that person is proven to be an active and chronic drug user. This
makes sense in what way??? It its the money!!! Protection is not even
a thought. They do not have to fear, as no one can review their lies
or see the lack of evidence they did not have to remove the child in
the first place!!!!

Comment from hoosiermommynow on March 30, 2007 11:14 PM
Isn't that the truth. I have a relative in another state who wishes to
adopt a baby. Her and her husband just recently became foster parents
because the case worker promised them that this would be the fastest
way to adopt a child. This caseworkers words were, "We fight really
hard in court for the foster parents to adopt the children". Not only
that, but the state will also pay their adoption expenses. This
relative of mine just recently got this baby, and is already calling
her " her child" It is my understanding that a foster parent is
suppose to be a professional, and work with the family for
reunification. Are they when they are promised before hand that this
is the way to go in order to adopt a child fast? How can a caseworker
know this if this isn't pre planned, and part of normal procedure for
them? If it smells like a fish, it probably is a fish!

Comment from Rita Staton on March 30, 2007 11:47 PM
How is it that money can be the focus to remove children from their
homes, have more children abused and killed at the hands of the
intervention of CPS, but yet it is not stopped??

If an policeman ran the streets shooting people he thought looked like
a criminal, the policeman would be put into prison for murder. But our
CPS/DCS workers can remove children by hearsay and biased non-factual
misuse of word play, place the children in danger, and abuse or death
occurs, but nothing is done. Why?? Why?? This agency has been and
currently is known to be the death trap and abuse arena of children
for many years, as the numbers of abuse and deaths by this agency'
negligence and lack of accountability and responsibility is year after
year, is rehashed and rehashed, while millions of children are placed
into a grave or suffer post traumatic syndrome day after day!! This
must stop!! The government will spend more time to evaluate and spend
millions of dollars to find out the reason a whale swam to shore to
die, than to protect the life on ONE precious child! This government
agency will allow choas and lack of documentation, education,
investigation, and pure deliberate employee negligence, for a child to
be abused and murdered if one buck was to be made!

Comment from Rita Staton on March 31, 2007 12:06 AM
The Villages will make a profit, CPS will continue to remove children
from safe home by falsication of allegations and hearsay, and parents
in Indiana will be devastated, over worked, over stressed, bankrupt,
fore-closured, car repoed, over taxed, to continue this dictatorship
of a fraudulent and fleecing of tax dollar agency, that reports to NO
ONE.

In essence, according to the track record of behavior by state workers
of CPS, a person with a low income deserves to have their children
stolen from them, and 1 of 3 children under state care is murdered ...
isn't this a form of genocide? Isn't this what Hitler did? I will
continue to pray for these Republican figures and all political
figures that willingly turn their head regarding the number of
children that are being devastated or murdered under state care, by
CPS' irresponsibility and negligence, with great hopes that He will
give wisdom, knowledge, and most of all, good common sense.
(Regardless is the statistics is 25% or 42% of deaths of children
under the state wardship, it is 1% too many, un-excusable, a
reportable -- should be- and investigated for quality control and
prevention, NOT damage control!! Hide it, seal it, burn or shred it.
That is what they do.)

Not all citizens can live the financially stable and cushy privileged
comfort as the political figures in Indiana, the "Good Old Boys", as
we, the citizens are paying for their richness of the Republican
disrespectful and careless use of the citizens' tax dollars.
The recent study done in Berlin, that found that out of a total of 21
industrial countries,
the United States was 2ND to worst regarding the government' ability
or concern for family. This is not acceptable!! We pay too much, but
yet get nothing for a return. Wade Horn said the study was
"Meaningless". This is the quote of all quotes, as it is known to many
citizens, children are treated as "Meaningless" by our government
agency, CPS, as it is the money, not the welfare of the children that
is of any concern.
All this information that is available to validate that children are
in more danger for abuse and deaths under the care of the state
providers, of which has been for many years,
Perpetrators of Maltreatment:
Physical Abuse - 160 by CPS and 59 by parents
Sexual Abuse - 112 by CPS and 13 by parents
Neglect - 410 by CPS and 241 by parents
Medical Neglect - 14 by CPS and 12 by parents
Fatalities - 6.4 by CPS and 1.5 by parents

Number of Cases per 100,000 children in the United States. These
numbers come from The National Center on Child Abuse and Neglect
(NCCAN) in Washington .

BUT WHAT IS BEING DONE???? ARE WE YAHOOS THAT CANNOT UNDERSTAND WHY WE
SHOULD NOT PUT OUR FINGER IN THE FIRE?????? DAH?

Children are being abused and murdered by our own government and our
own MONEY!!! Not one of Indiana' political figures cares or has the
dignity, integrity, morales, or ethical values, to STOP the horrific
destruction of the lives of parents, children, and family unit. We
need God' Hand to raise a leader, that is not fearful of the political
party' issue, but the heart-felt desire to truly serve the people with
respectful dedication to the people, for the people' well-being,
protection, successes, happiness, and free of self-glorification. I
pray, this comes soon, as many children are suffering right now, as I
send this letter to beg for change.

Comment from Amanda on March 31, 2007 1:18 AM
I know some children in foster care with their aunt. They are no
better than they were with their parents. They are not treated well
and certainly not like family. Quite sad really. However, the aunt
receives funds from the state AND her brother to take care of his
kids. She isn't supposed to take any money from the childrens father.
She is a money-grubber on many levels. That is one other sick story
where a caseworker has dropped the ball.

Comment from chitchatt on March 31, 2007 2:14 AM
CPS was called by my x husband when I was only 15 minutes late in
picking them up. He called and told them I had abandoned my children
on him. He in no way wanted them, but he wanted to hurt me some more.
I divorced him because he was an extremely violent man and they knew
this because he had knocked me out in their office! No one seen
anything! They told him not to return them to me for any reason and
that they would pick them up the next morning. Which, they did. 4 days
later the Judge ordered them returned to me because the only thing
they could hold against me was that my children had 1 unexcused absent
day at school that year! They made them miss 3 in that time. I won so,
after that there was nothing I could do right. They had my neighbor to
report to them, they even had our town marshal in on their reign of
terror on our family! I was not a bad mother. They just wanted
revenge! And they got it. They ended up winning because, how could I
continue? I had already sunk over 20,000.00 into atty fees and
whatever my atty said, proved, countered, was on deaf ears. My case
was decided before we even got there. CPS even tried to go so far as
to set up what would have looked like sexual abuse but the funny thing
was, neither I or their father had ever, ever been alone with any of
them. And that left only the bbysitter. But then they let that drop.
(later handing out this bbysitters card=highly recommended!)They took
my children, never to have given them back to me. I tricked the system
into getting them back though. I used the x husband. I promised him no
support would be asked for ever if he would just tell them that he
wanted them. Was 3 years into this and they finally gave them to him,
which he handed them to me. We lost over 3 years. Trust of others.
Friends. Family. This was in the early 1990s and I was an only one I
thought. They were just gearing up. The woman who got mad at me in CPS
office and yelled at me, just this Dont you come in here and yell at
me! Do you know my power? Let me show you! I am taking your children
as of right now! And ,,she did!

Comment from chitchatt on March 31, 2007 2:25 AM
The woman that ordered my children taken away is now I believe, Head
of The Villages? Or something big in there. She used me for practice
while she was in training to steal and cash in on taking our children!
I tell alot of fact's in what I write, and if someone were to read
this that knew my story would know instantly who I am, so, how could I
get on here and lie to you people knowing someone could then turn
around and sue me?? Please people, wake up! I did not deserve what
they did to me, my children did not deserve what they did to them. The
abuse they recieved in those places was by far worse than anything I
would ever dream of doing to a child! They were instantly split up.
One, the oldest went to stay with an officer of the law,,,who
proceeded to hancuff my son to the bed so that he would not come in
and interfere with their christmas party! I would have been in jail
for sure but they say it was ok,,:::???? How can we not do
something??? Please people, check out the stats for yourself! Lots of
webs out there now! Our group is growing daily as they daily steal our
children! Try your first search for info at:www.honkforkids.com(We
are real people just like you) We could be you. You could be one of
us! Just know, Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely!

Comment from offineerkitty on April 1, 2007 3:50 PM

I have some questions?

Why is it in the State of Indiana the children who are maltreated and
severely abused are left with their abusers?

Why is it in the State of Indiana the children who are loved and cared
for by their parent/s are taken from them to be abused by the State
and/or foster care?

Why is it when the children who were maltreated and severely abused
grow up to be adults they are left with no medical insurance or the
means to get the proper help dealing with the abuse they suffered
under?

And do not claim that this isn't true because it has/is happening to
me!

But then again, this is the State of Indiana, and how stupid of me to
think Indiana is a Just State and protects the children!

Comment from Frank on April 2, 2007 10:07 AM
offineerkitty,

Standard procedure is to take the children and hold them until the
parents confess. Confession is an automatic substantiation.
Substnatiation is important because they don't get reimbursed without
it. It is a lot easier coerce a confession than to actually
investigate. When the parents give in, the children are returned.
Ninety-nine times out of a hundred, nothing else happens. The other
time turns out badly, makes the headlines, and people wonder why CPS
gave the children back. You can abuse your children, you just have to
cooperate with CPS, grovel a lot, and butter up the caseworker. It is
the parents who maintain their innocence, insist on their rights, and
fight the system who get hammered.

Comment from Forensic6 on April 2, 2007 4:27 PM
Wow. None of you know a THING about DCS/CPS that is rooted in FACT.

Try this one on for size: "The sky is falling! The sky is falling!"
Now, go do your thing.

Comment from hoosiermommynow on April 2, 2007 5:57 PM
Oh yeah?, And what makes you the know it all? Is your feelings hurt?
Like you said in the J&C, you haven't sold any kids in the black
market, so why are you so defensive? Oh no, now I know you will steal
my government cheese. We post because we know from experience just
what is going on with CPS/DCS in Tippecanoe county, and Indiana.
Didn't you say you were from Colorado? Then why worry what people know
about Lafayette Indiana? You yourself said it was ugly. You are right.
It's getting uglier all of the time.

Comment from Parrish Peeples on May 10, 2007 5:03 PM
My name is Parrish and I reside in Illinois. The State of Indiana DCS
has been harrassing me since 12-14-06 regarding my daughters case with
them. Her 1 yr. old was removed because of a bone fracture. Her 4 and
6 year old reside in the State of Illinois and always have. Since the
beginning of her case I have been verbally threatened that if I did
not bring my grandson to Tippicanoe County to be put in foster care I
would be arrested. Well, I did not let DCS tell me what to do, my
grandson is a resident of Illinois. Exactly 7 weeks into my daughters
case the Case worker Kevin Hintzman called me (1-18-07)to tell me that
since I did not do as I was told he called DCFS in Illinois on me so
that they could remove all children from my home because of abuse and
neglect. My State fell for this trick even though I explained that
they only wanted my grandson at any expense at which I became. Well ,
Illinois could not remove him because there was no abuse or neglect.
But to keep an eye on him I was indicated on injuries that my 1 yr.
grandson received while in Indiana even though I was in Illinois. Now
five months later my daughter is on life support plus she is in a coma
and they still want my 6 year old grandson. I was told that if I don't
turn over him the family will not get to see her 1 year old again.
They are holding him for the ransom of his brother. I am looking for a
Civil Rights Lawyer to this day and I will not give up. The State of
Indiana used false information to start the case on me in another
State although they have never been to my house or seen my children
they have accused me of abuse and neglect harrased me, defamed my
character and put my children through hell. I am hoping to use my case
to help all others that are in the same situation. The Constitution
was created to protect our rights as citizens as well as human beings.
The State of Indiana stripped me of those rights and lied to the State
of Illinois to uptain their help in removing a child from a stable
home. Although they did not remove him, he has been torn apart from my
home. He's now in another State with relatives to keep him safe. So
Indiana still tore my family apart.




CURRENTLY CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES VIOLATES MORE CIVIL RIGHTS ON A
DAILY BASIS THEN ALL OTHER AGENCIES COMBINED INCLUDING THE NATIONAL
SECURITY AGENCY/CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY WIRETAPPING PROGRAM....

CPS Does not protect children...
It is sickening how many children are subject to abuse, neglect and even
killed at the hands of Child Protective Services.

every parent should read this .pdf from
connecticut dcf watch...

http://www.connecticutdcfwatch.com/8x11.pdf

http://www.connecticutdcfwatch.com

Number of Cases per 100,000 children in the US
These numbers come from The National Center on
Child Abuse and Neglect in Washington. (NCCAN)
Recent numbers have increased significantly for CPS

*Perpetrators of Maltreatment*

Physical Abuse CPS 160, Parents 59
Sexual Abuse CPS 112, Parents 13
Neglect CPS 410, Parents 241
Medical Neglect CPS 14 Parents 12
Fatalities CPS 6.4, Parents 1.5

Imagine that, 6.4 children die at the hands of the very agencies that
are supposed to protect them and only 1.5 at the hands of parents per
100,000 children. CPS perpetrates more abuse, neglect, and sexual abuse
and kills more children then parents in the United States. If the
citizens of this country hold CPS to the same standards that they hold
parents too. No judge should ever put another child in the hands of ANY
government agency because CPS nationwide is guilty of more harm and
death than any human being combined. CPS nationwide is guilty of more
human rights violations and deaths of children then the homes from which
they were removed. When are the judges going to wake up and see that
they are sending children to their death and a life of abuse when
children are removed from safe homes based on the mere opinion of a
bunch of social workers.

BE SURE TO FIND OUT WHERE YOUR CANDIDATES STANDS ON THE ISSUE OF
REFORMING OR ABOLISHING CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES ("MAKE YOUR CANDIDATES
TAKE A STAND ON THIS ISSUE.") THEN REMEMBER TO VOTE ACCORDINGLY IF THEY
ARE "FAMILY UNFRIENDLY" IN THE NEXT ELECTION...


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Default A thought: Child welfare as a money-making enterprise department?

Kane on the citizen comments posted in Indianapolis:
Read them, they are opinions, and ignorance on parade. Even federal
law is ignored to spout them. This is why you folks can never win. You
lie, big time.


What Federal Law was ignored to spout them?

You sure are anxious to gag citizens Kane!



On Jun 13, 1:54 am, Greegor wrote:
Kane wrote

You have an agenda.


To discredit CPS.


CPS discredits and disgraces THEMSELVES
better than anybody else possibly could!

How many families did you think they could tear up before
it would catch up to them in terms of public testimonials
and video footage of their outright abuse of families?

To do this you will say anything, do anything in the way of tricking
yourself and trying to trick others.


Are you getting desperate Donald?
Did you see all of the public comments on that Indiana article?

The fact is all the gimmicks tried have NOT been proven to work.


CPS agencies have had to make excuses for over THIRTY YEARS!
They haven't even come close to fulfilling their obligations.
The CPS corporate or agency culture is like a religious cult
and extremely resistant to meaningful change.

You are stupid, or liars. Or both.


You WORKED for the Oregon CPS agency, you're
an arrogant Megalomaniac and a GROUPIE or Lobbyist
for the Child Protection INDUSTRY.

You have an agenda to defend the BUREAUCRACY!

You deliberately posted gratuitous public profanity for
over a YEAR and bragged about it!
Was that your way of enhancing the Public Relations
for the Child Protection INDUSTRY?



On Jun 12, 9:58 pm, fx wrote:
A thought: Child welfare as a money-making enterprise department
Posted by RiShawn Biddle

http://blogs.indystar.com/expresso/a...ght_child.html

"You should have heard how the Illinois agencies used to proclaim that
money had nothing - nothing - to do with their decisions. The reason
there was 50,000 children in foster care, back in 1996, was just that
these cases were soooooooo difficult and the children simply HAD to be
with them for a long, long, time.

"But in 1997, the state of Illinois broke the stranglehold of the
agencies and forced through a change in financial incentives that
rewarded agencies for finding permanent homes and punished them for
holding children in foster care. Lo and behold: The "intractable" became
tractable, the "dysfunctional" became functional. Today, the number of
children trapped in foster care in Illinois is under 17,000. And
independent, court-appointed monitors say the children are safer.

"The funny thing is, I'm sure Doctor Franson really believes money has
no impact on the decisions made at The Villages. But what happened in
Illinois, and most changes in financial incentives in most human
endeavors, not just child welfare, prove otherwise.

"Rationalization is powerful. It can take a change in how one is paid to
start seeing children and families as they really are."

-- Richard Wexler of the National Coalition for Child Protection Reform,
in an e-mail responding to The Star's story on the merger of the
Villages with Prevent Child Abuse Indiana and the economic incentives in
the child welfare sector. A reminder that economic incentives are a
major player in all activities, even on behalf of the children.



commentshttp://blogs.indystar.com/expresso/archives/2007/03/a_thought_child.html

Comments

Comment from bif on March 30, 2007 10:30 AM
Just look at the KY IG report , said that 14 caseworkers should have
charges filed against them for lying in court

Comment from Frank on March 30, 2007 10:41 AM
I told Tim Evans that 8 years ago. You're just now getting around to
publishing that?

Comment from tinfoot on March 30, 2007 1:49 PM
DCS is a total wreck and getting worse every day. I know a family that
lost five children. The parents are low income and have below average
IQ, but they do love their children, had a roof over their heads and
food on the table. Now the state is paying for foster care at the rate
of $70,000 a year plus tutoring, therapy and all the medical benefits
that go with it. Do you think maybe this family could have been kept
intact and given the help they needed for much less? Hitler
established a criteria as to who was fit to bear and raise children.
Is that what we want in this country?

Comment from hoosiermommynow on March 30, 2007 6:15 PM
I know first hand about how caseworkers lie in court. I am licensed to
foster children. I have a grandchild in the system, now over two
years. If I have a safe home for other children, why not my own
grandchild? Whats up with this? It only makes since that the true
reason would be that the state won't pay the county benefits if they
don't adopt her out to a non family member. It makes me sick to know
that my grandchild means nothing more to the state then a little
person to line someones pockets.

Comment from Rita Staton on March 30, 2007 9:59 PM
The main goal of Child Protection Services is to make money. Children
are not protected, as this agency hides behind secrecy to cloak a
"facade" to the public that children would be better protected by
their agency' intervention. This is a horrific lie of government fraud
and misuse of tax payers' money.

First of all, CPS violates both the parents and children' right for
factual investigations to be done, as most all the workers are not
trained to investigate or have full knowledge of the state statutes,
the definitions of "abuse" or 'neglect", unfamiliar with the policy
and procedures of both state and federal guidelines, and lack the
ability to identify what socio-economical issues play a role in the
issue at hand, to be aware of any validity to the allegations, by way
of for the need of the parent vs true abuse and neglect.

Parents are not given any rights noted in the Constitution, nor are
citizens given the right to protect their own children from this
govenment agency that literally abuses their authority to make biased
and harsh decisions without any proof, does nothing in regard to
maintain a family unit, and is never held accountable for their lack
of ability to actually identify if a child is in danger or not.

Parents are violated, as if we are under dictatorship as parent's are
not given

""the right
*To by informed of the charges
*To be questioned in the presence of an attorney
or non-CPS advocate acting on behalf for the
parent' and children' sake
*For a fair jury, the right to a speedy trail
*To compentent and honest counsel, the right for
presumption of innocence until proven guilty
by "facts, tangible, valid, and un-refutage
evidence to be true beyond a ponderance of
doubt"
*The right to face the accuser, the right to due
process, the right to redress of grievances
*For an appeal in a timely manner
*To legal and/or criminal action against the
false and/or malicious prosecution set forth by
false allegations of the person who maked the
false claim and/or the CPS worker if the worker
fails to perform a complete investigation and
ignores valid evidence of the falsehoods of the
allegations
*Against forced or coerced confession and/or
waiver of civil rights.""
*To have given any and all medical reports,
statements made by others, and any an all
information related to their children and
themselves.

Again, CPS does not protect children, this is not their goal, as the
money is the reason for the agency' functioning. The more money given
the more children removed from their homes, the more children are
killed by other than parent. Those people that kill and abuse the
children are NEVER PROSECUTED, for the protection of CPS/DCS. This
allow no accountability and hides the crimes of their lack of
utilizing the money dilegently and for the good and "protection".

CPS is the abuser to parents and children, as this agency uses
threats, intimidation, and force, to obtain signatures from the
parents, forcing parents to take classes that are not necessary,
forcing the children to say things for the CPS workers to turn the
words around, and most of all, CPS does not listen to the parent
regarding the situation at hand.

The courts are made a mockery of as the judges sit as a monkey to
rubber stamp the bogus and perjurious statements of CPS workers, and
we, the citizens get to pay for the care of children for months and
months and years, as this agency does everything to terminate the
parents of their rights, again by force and no right for a fair trial,
and then the bucks roll into the state's funding for more waste or
political parties of fun and self glorification.

Comment from Rita Staton on March 30, 2007 10:00 PM
Duplicate of her 9:59 PM comments

Comment from Rita Staton on March 30, 2007 10:07 PM
Money to the state to steal a child is done as a criminal activity.
CPS can commit perjury without any penalties. CPS can take a child
from a parent that has done nothing, then give the child to a foster
that abuses or kills the child, but nothing is none. The workers will
use names in their allegations without speaking to the person. My name
was used many times, but the social worker that wrote and signed the
report never spoke to me. CPS will walk into court with allegations,
but yet document on their affidavant that they knew the claims are
false, but, we are still keeping the children in foster, and court
after court, after court, CPS drags out the drama to make sure the
time line goes beyond the time to adopt the child out for even more
money.

Comment from Rita Staton on March 30, 2007 10:31 PM
The Village makes big bucks for children, but the children they place
may not need placed, but returned to their own home. Why should they
care, they are making money, as no one can do anything about it, as
this is all in secret files to never be reviewed.
As children are stolen from their homes by DCS by false allegations,
parents have no fair or just trial, the Village helps dispose of the
children that had safe homes to strange and unfamiliar people. Does
Tony Dungy know the truth of what CPS/DSC is doing, how they function,
how the children are abused and murdered more often under state care
than by the parents, and CPS/DCS' lack of responsiblity and
accountability as they ignore written policies and willingness to
commit perjury, falsify court records, and deliberately withhold the
truth from the judge?? Most importantly, the fact that the judge does
nothing to evaluate what is even being said or refusing to allow the
parent to speak for their own sake?
So, Prevent Child Abuse Center can tell people to call about child
abuse, but they can only continue to allow CPS/DCS to abuse and murder
children under the state's care, at a rate of 25-30%, but do
nothing!!!! Now, it is understood that a change of statistics is noted
that 37% of the children under state care dies. How is this prevent?
Why are we paying more and more for nothing or no improvement of this
agencies negligence and irresponsibility of performance?
I question, how many children has the Village placed that was
literally taken from a safe home and parents were threatened to
terminate parental rights and denied a fair trial with an un-biased
council??
The government agency is political, not for children, but for the
money. As when a crime is committed by the state worker of CPS/DCS,
not even the Attorney General Inspector, Governor, State Police, or
Marion County Prosecutor will do anything, even with evidence in hand,
medical records of an infant's head bashed in with a large brain
hemipheric lesion of trauma, that was done by the person CPS handed
the infant to, who made the false outragous allegations without any
evidence to support the claim.
Money or protection?? It is not to protect. The money spent is wasted
and should be used to promote safety, education, programs to allow
families to be successful, NOT destroyed.
Don't make your neighbor mad, as she can call you in as hitting your
child, (even though you didn't), because CPS will take your child, and
you, dear soul, will loose everything you ever had and will ever have
to attempt to protect and prove your innocence, and still loose the
most precious thing you will ever have, your child.

Comment from Rita Staton on March 30, 2007 10:54 PM
The government agency, Child Protection Services, is out of control,
violating the very essence of our civil rights, allow children to be
murdered, and the records kept by this government agency is non-
existing, they can not valid their use of funds, they duplicate
services, force people to have services that are unnecessary, and they
can not account for the truth of why services are provided. They
function in secrecy, conspire with lies, and do nothing to prevent the
need of funds to be utilized, as they lack a proper method to
investigate, collect all pertinent information, carefully evaluate the
allegation, and listen to the truth. Be happy friends, as you, the tax
payers' get to pay and pay for this agency to do this to many innocent
families, as the state is making money at the suffering of children
being abused and murdered under state care providers, parents being
defamed, financially exhausted, and family units destroyed.

What effectiveness has CPS/DCS had for the children's protection?
Behavioral facade and grandiose use of tax payers' money does nothing
to protect children.
Point:
A person can call CPS to make a false allegation that the mother of a
child does drugs. But mother is tested, and tested, and tested, for
over a year, as the tests are all negative, as the mother repeatedly
stated, "I do not do drugs"
The child of this mother was given to the person whom made the
allegation of false claims, who was reported to be a true drug user by
court docu;mentation and seen with drugs, but CPS does not want to
hear this, and ignores this, even though this person' drug screens are
so high off the chart for cocaine and THC, benzodiazapines, ect. but
this is okay for this person to keep the child. EXCUSE ME!!! WHAT IS
WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE???

So, remove a child from a parent for false allegation the parent uses
drugs, that is proven not true, but allow a person to have the child
when that person is proven to be an active and chronic drug user. This
makes sense in what way??? It its the money!!! Protection is not even
a thought. They do not have to fear, as no one can review their lies
or see the lack of evidence they did not have to remove the child in
the first place!!!!

Comment from hoosiermommynow on March 30, 2007 11:14 PM
Isn't that the truth. I have a relative in another state who wishes to
adopt a baby. Her and her husband just recently became foster parents
because the case worker promised them that this would be the fastest
way to adopt a child. This caseworkers words were, "We fight really
hard in court for the foster parents to adopt the children". Not only
that, but the state will also pay their adoption expenses. This
relative of mine just recently got this baby, and is already calling
her " her child" It is my understanding that a foster parent is
suppose to be a professional, and work with the family for
reunification. Are they when they are promised before hand that this
is the way to go in order to adopt a child fast? How can a caseworker
know this if this isn't pre planned, and part of normal procedure for
them? If it smells like a fish, it probably is a fish!

Comment from Rita Staton on March 30, 2007 11:47 PM
How is it that money can be the focus to remove children from their
homes, have more children abused and killed at the hands of the
intervention of CPS, but yet it is not stopped??

If an policeman ran the streets shooting people he thought looked like
a criminal, the policeman would be put into prison for murder. But our
CPS/DCS workers can remove children by hearsay and biased non-factual
misuse of word play, place the children in danger, and abuse or death
occurs, but nothing is done. Why?? Why?? This agency has been and
currently is known to be the death trap and abuse arena of children
for many years, as the numbers of abuse and deaths by this agency'
negligence and lack of accountability and responsibility is year after
year, is rehashed and rehashed, while millions of children are placed
into a grave or suffer post traumatic syndrome day after day!! This
must stop!! The government will spend more time to evaluate and spend
millions of dollars to find out the reason a whale swam to shore to
die, than to protect the life on ONE precious child! This government
agency will allow choas and lack of documentation, education,
investigation, and pure deliberate employee negligence, for a child to
be abused and murdered if one buck was to be made!

Comment from Rita Staton on March 31, 2007 12:06 AM
The Villages will make a profit, CPS will continue to remove children
from safe home by falsication of allegations and hearsay, and parents
in Indiana will be devastated, over worked, over stressed, bankrupt,
fore-closured, car repoed, over taxed, to continue this dictatorship
of a fraudulent and fleecing of tax dollar agency, that reports to NO
ONE.

In essence, according to the track record of behavior by state workers
of CPS, a person with a low income deserves to have their children
stolen from them, and 1 of 3 children under state care is murdered ...
isn't this a form of genocide? Isn't this what Hitler did? I will
continue to pray for these Republican figures and all political
figures that willingly turn their head regarding the number of
children that are being devastated or murdered under state care, by
CPS' irresponsibility and negligence, with great hopes that He will
give wisdom, knowledge, and most of all, good common sense.
(Regardless is the statistics is 25% or 42% of deaths of children
under the state wardship, it is 1% too many, un-excusable, a
reportable -- should be- and investigated for quality control and
prevention, NOT damage control!! Hide it, seal it, burn or shred it.
That is what they do.)

Not all citizens can live the financially stable and cushy privileged
comfort as the political figures in Indiana, the "Good Old Boys", as
we, the citizens are paying for their richness of the Republican
disrespectful and careless use of the citizens' tax dollars.
The recent study done in Berlin, that found that out of a total of 21
industrial countries,
the United States was 2ND to worst regarding the government' ability
or concern for family. This is not acceptable!! We pay too much, but
yet get nothing for a return. Wade Horn said the study was
"Meaningless". This is the quote of all quotes, as it is known to many
citizens, children are treated as "Meaningless" by our government
agency, CPS, as it is the money, not the welfare of the children that
is of any concern.
All this information that is available to validate that children are
in more danger for abuse and deaths under the care of the state
providers, of which has been for many years,
Perpetrators of Maltreatment:
Physical Abuse - 160 by CPS and 59 by parents
Sexual Abuse - 112 by CPS and 13 by parents
Neglect - 410 by CPS and 241 by parents
Medical Neglect - 14 by CPS and 12 by parents
Fatalities - 6.4 by CPS and 1.5 by parents

Number of Cases per 100,000 children in the United States. These
numbers come from The National Center on Child Abuse and Neglect
(NCCAN) in Washington .

BUT WHAT IS BEING DONE???? ARE WE YAHOOS THAT CANNOT UNDERSTAND WHY WE
SHOULD NOT PUT OUR FINGER IN THE FIRE?????? DAH?

Children are being abused and murdered by our own government and our
own MONEY!!! Not one of Indiana' political figures cares or has the
dignity, integrity, morales, or ethical values, to STOP the horrific
destruction of the lives of parents, children, and family unit. We
need God' Hand to raise a leader, that is not fearful of the political
party' issue, but the heart-felt desire to truly serve the people with
respectful dedication to the people, for the people' well-being,
protection, successes, happiness, and free of self-glorification. I
pray, this comes soon, as many children are suffering right now, as I
send this letter to beg for change.

Comment from Amanda on March 31, 2007 1:18 AM
I know some children in foster care with their aunt. They are no
better than they were with their parents. They are not treated well
and certainly not like family. Quite sad really. However, the aunt
receives funds from the state AND her brother to take care of his
kids. She isn't supposed to take any money from the childrens father.
She is a money-grubber on many levels. That is one other sick story
where a caseworker has dropped the ball.

Comment from chitchatt on March 31, 2007 2:14 AM
CPS was called by my x husband when I was only 15 minutes late in
picking them up. He called and told them I had abandoned my children
on him. He in no way wanted them, but he wanted to hurt me some more.
I divorced him because he was an extremely violent man and they knew
this because he had knocked me out in their office! No one seen
anything! They told him not to return them to me for any reason and
that they would pick them up the next morning. Which, they did. 4 days
later the Judge ordered them returned to me because the only thing
they could hold against me was that my children had 1 unexcused absent
day at school that year! They made them miss 3 in that time. I won so,
after that there was nothing I could do right. They had my neighbor to
report to them, they even had our town marshal in on their reign of
terror on our family! I was not a bad mother. They just wanted
revenge! And they got it. They ended up winning because, how could I
continue? I had already sunk over 20,000.00 into atty fees and
whatever my atty said, proved, countered, was on deaf ears. My case
was decided before we even got there. CPS even tried to go so far as
to set up what would have looked like sexual abuse but the funny thing
was, neither I or their father had ever, ever been alone with any of
them. And that left only the bbysitter. But then they let that drop.
(later handing out this bbysitters card=highly recommended!)They took
my children, never to have given them back to me. I tricked the system
into getting them back though. I used the x husband. I promised him no
support would be asked for ever if he would just tell them that he
wanted them. Was 3 years into this and they finally gave them to him,
which he handed them to me. We lost over 3 years. Trust of others.
Friends. Family. This was in the early 1990s and I was an only one I
thought. They were just gearing up. The woman who got mad at me in CPS
office and yelled at me, just this Dont you come in here and yell at
me! Do you know my power? Let me show you! I am taking your children
as of right now! And ,,she did!

Comment from chitchatt on March 31, 2007 2:25 AM
The woman that ordered my children taken away is now I believe, Head
of The Villages? Or something big in there. She used me for practice
while she was in training to steal and cash in on taking our children!
I tell alot of fact's in what I write, and if someone were to read
this that knew my story would know instantly who I am, so, how could I
get on here and lie to you people knowing someone could then turn
around and sue me?? Please people, wake up! I did not deserve what
they did to me, my children did not deserve what they did to them. The
abuse they recieved in those places was by far worse than anything I
would ever dream of doing to a child! They were instantly split up.
One, the oldest went to stay with an officer of the law,,,who
proceeded to hancuff my son to the bed so that he would not come in
and interfere with their christmas party! I would have been in jail
for sure but they say it was ok,,:::???? How can we not do
something??? Please people, check out the stats for yourself! Lots of
webs out there now! Our group is growing daily as they daily steal our
children! Try your first search for info at:www.honkforkids.com(We
are real people just like you) We could be you. You could be one of
us! Just know, Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely!

Comment from offineerkitty on April 1, 2007 3:50 PM

I have some questions?

Why is it in the State of Indiana the children who are maltreated and
severely abused are left with their abusers?

Why is it in the State of Indiana the children who are loved and cared
for by their parent/s are taken from them to be abused by the State
and/or foster care?

Why is it when the children who were maltreated and severely abused
grow up to be adults they are left with no medical insurance or the
means to get the proper help dealing with the abuse they suffered
under?

And do not claim that this isn't true because it has/is happening to
me!

But then again, this is the State of Indiana, and how stupid of me to
think Indiana is a Just State and protects the children!

Comment from Frank on April 2, 2007 10:07 AM
offineerkitty,

Standard procedure is to take the children and hold them until the
parents confess. Confession is an automatic substantiation.
Substnatiation is important because they don't get reimbursed without
it. It is a lot easier coerce a confession than to actually
investigate. When the parents give in, the children are returned.
Ninety-nine times out of a hundred, nothing else happens. The other
time turns out badly, makes the headlines, and people wonder why CPS
gave the children back. You can abuse your children, you just have to
cooperate with CPS, grovel a lot, and butter up the caseworker. It is
the parents who maintain their innocence, insist on their rights, and
fight the system who get hammered.

Comment from Forensic6 on April 2, 2007 4:27 PM
Wow. None of you know a THING about DCS/CPS that is rooted in FACT.

Try this one on for size: "The sky is falling! The sky is falling!"
Now, go do your thing.

Comment from hoosiermommynow on April 2, 2007 5:57 PM
Oh yeah?, And what makes you the know it all? Is your feelings hurt?
Like you said in the J&C, you haven't sold any kids in the black
market, so why are you so defensive? Oh no, now I know you will steal
my government cheese. We post because we know from experience just
what is going on with CPS/DCS in Tippecanoe county, and Indiana.
Didn't you say you were from Colorado? Then why worry what people know
about Lafayette Indiana? You yourself said it was ugly. You are right.
It's getting uglier all of the time.

Comment from Parrish Peeples on May 10, 2007 5:03 PM
My name is Parrish and I reside in Illinois. The State of Indiana DCS
has been harrassing me since 12-14-06 regarding my daughters case with
them. Her 1 yr. old was removed because of a bone fracture. Her 4 and
6 year old reside in the State of Illinois and always have. Since the
beginning of her case I have been verbally threatened that if I did
not bring my grandson to Tippicanoe County to be put in foster care I
would be arrested. Well, I did not let DCS tell me what to do, my
grandson is a resident of Illinois. Exactly 7 weeks into my daughters
case the Case worker Kevin Hintzman called me (1-18-07)to tell me that
since I did not do as I was told he called DCFS in Illinois on me so
that they could remove all children from my home because of abuse and
neglect. My State fell for this trick even though I explained that
they only wanted my grandson at any expense at which I became. Well ,
Illinois could not remove him because there was no abuse or neglect.
But to keep an eye on him I was indicated on injuries that my 1 yr.
grandson received while in Indiana even though I was in Illinois. Now
five months later my daughter is on life support plus she is in a coma
and they still want my 6 year old grandson. I was told that if I don't
turn over him the family will not get to see her 1 year old again.
They are holding him for the ransom of his brother. I am looking for a
Civil Rights Lawyer to this day and I will not give up. The State of
Indiana used false information to start the case on me in another
State although they have never been to my house or seen my children
they have accused me of abuse and neglect harrased me, defamed my
character and put my children through hell. I am hoping to use my case
to help all others that are in the same situation. The Constitution
was created to protect our rights as citizens as well as human beings.
The State of Indiana stripped me of those rights and lied to the State
of Illinois to uptain their help in removing a child from a stable
home. Although they did not remove him, he has been torn apart from my
home. He's now in another State with relatives to keep him safe. So
Indiana still tore my family apart.




CURRENTLY CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES VIOLATES MORE CIVIL RIGHTS ON A
DAILY BASIS THEN ALL OTHER AGENCIES COMBINED INCLUDING THE NATIONAL
SECURITY AGENCY/CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY WIRETAPPING PROGRAM....

CPS Does not protect children...
It is sickening how many children are subject to abuse, neglect and even
killed at the hands of Child Protective Services.

every parent should read this .pdf from
connecticut dcf watch...

http://www.connecticutdcfwatch.com/8x11.pdf

http://www.connecticutdcfwatch.com

Number of Cases per 100,000 children in the US
These numbers come from The National Center on
Child Abuse and Neglect in Washington. (NCCAN)
Recent numbers have increased significantly for CPS

*Perpetrators of Maltreatment*

Physical Abuse CPS 160, Parents 59
Sexual Abuse CPS 112, Parents 13
Neglect CPS 410, Parents 241
Medical Neglect CPS 14 Parents 12
Fatalities CPS 6.4, Parents 1.5

Imagine that, 6.4 children die at the hands of the very agencies that
are supposed to protect them and only 1.5 at the hands of parents per
100,000 children. CPS perpetrates more abuse, neglect, and sexual abuse
and kills more children then parents in the United States. If the
citizens of this country hold CPS to the same standards that they hold
parents too. No judge should ever put another child in the hands of ANY
government agency because CPS nationwide is guilty of more harm and
death than any human being combined. CPS nationwide is guilty of more
human rights violations and deaths of children then the homes from which
they were removed. When are the judges going to wake up and see that
they are sending children to their death and a life of abuse when
children are removed from safe homes based on the mere opinion of a
bunch of social workers.

BE SURE TO FIND OUT WHERE YOUR CANDIDATES STANDS ON THE ISSUE OF
REFORMING OR ABOLISHING CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES ("MAKE YOUR CANDIDATES
TAKE A STAND ON THIS ISSUE.") THEN REMEMBER TO VOTE ACCORDINGLY IF THEY
ARE "FAMILY UNFRIENDLY" IN THE NEXT ELECTION...


 




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