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Old January 21st 06, 11:45 PM posted to alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.bush,talk.politics.misc,alt.child-support
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DB wrote:

Shows how petty society has become when they jail their citizens over a
matter of money!


So, CEOs and stock traders shouldn't go to jail for fraud? Faking a
death to avoid paying debts sounds like fraud to me.


A debt is defines as borrowing money on a volintary basis.


Where? Here's the definition:

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/debt

Main Entry: debt
Pronunciation: 'det
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English dette, debte, from Old French dette something owed, from (assumed) Vulgar Latin debita, from
Latin, plural of debitum debt, from neuter of debitus, past participle of debEre to owe, from de- + habEre to have --
more at GIVE
1 : SIN, TRESPASS
2 : something owed : OBLIGATION
3 : a state of owing
4 : the common-law action for the recovery of money held to be due



Any debt that is extorted is illegal, but the Government has a false legal
right to impose a debt in the name of child support.


You don't think your children are owed support?


No government has any right to impose the wishes of others in family
matters, good or bad!

The point? That he is obligated to help support his kids, that's the
point. The mother should not have to carry the entire financial
burden. If she could cover their basic needs on her own, maybe this
idiot could have started a college fund for his kids.


Lots of 2 parent famlies don't have college funds for their kids, are you
going to impose Government santions against them too for not having enough
money to look after their kids?


Those who neglect their children tend to lose their children.


Whether he cares
about them or not, he's a douche bag for running away from his
responsibilities.


Yes he may be a douche bag and in your eyes a real scum bag, but that still
does not make him a criminal?


Non-support of one's children makes him a criminal.







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Old January 22nd 06, 12:06 AM posted to alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.bush,talk.politics.misc,alt.child-support
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"Galileo" wrote in message
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DB wrote:

Shows how petty society has become when they jail their citizens over a
matter of money!


So, CEOs and stock traders shouldn't go to jail for fraud? Faking a
death to avoid paying debts sounds like fraud to me.


A falsely created debt matched by a falsely created death.......not a
problem to me.





I'm sure the two kids are alive and well, so what's the point?


The point? That he is obligated to help support his kids, that's the
point. The mother should not have to carry the entire financial
burden.


Then the father should have been given the ability to provide for the
kids, not just forced to hand over money.

If she could cover their basic needs on her own, maybe this
idiot could have started a college fund for his kids.


Free hint for the clueless.....college is not a right


Whether he cares
about them or not, he's a douche bag for running away from his
responsibilities.


Provide proof that he re ran away from his responsibilities and was not
driven away, and had monetary demand placed on him, literally at the point
of a gun.





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Old January 22nd 06, 03:01 AM posted to alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.bush,talk.politics.misc,alt.child-support
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DB wrote:

"Galileo" wrote in
The point? That he is obligated to help support his kids, that's the
point. The mother should not have to carry the entire financial
burden. If she could cover their basic needs on her own, maybe this
idiot could have started a college fund for his kids.


Lots of 2 parent famlies don't have college funds for their kids, are you
going to impose Government santions against them too for not having enough
money to look after their kids?


Did you miss the beginning of the statement? Did you miss the "IF"?
What I am suggesting is that if the mother can afford basics for the
kids, the dad could contribute to their education in a fund that is
STRICTLY earmarked for the kids. Isn't that what you all wanted? To
make sure that the money went to the kids, not the mother?

He fathered the rugrats, he needs to get off his ass and contribute
something to their support. Period.

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Old January 22nd 06, 03:14 AM posted to alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.bush,talk.politics.misc,alt.child-support
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P. Fritz wrote:

A falsely created debt matched by a falsely created death.......not a
problem to me.


Falsely created debt? So, you approve of men who father children and
contribute nothing to their upbringing or support...increasing the
chance that the mother (and children) will wind up on some sort of
government support? ****ing brilliant. Our tax dollars at work.


Free hint for the clueless.....college is not a right


Free hint for the comprehension impaired: read the whole paragraph
again. I said "IF" the mother could cover basic necessities on her
own, then maybe the father could start a college fund. What's your
suggestion for another way to contribute to the kids' support?


Provide proof that he re ran away from his responsibilities and was not
driven away, and had monetary demand placed on him, literally at the point
of a gun.



I'm going by the article that was provided. Provide another source
that disproves it. Please.

My parents got divorced when I was 5, and my father paid support to my
mom until I was a teenager...because he knows I am partly his
responsibility. He was (and is) able to take responsibility for his
actions. From the whining we're seeing on this issue, it seems like a
lot of men out there aren't mature enough to cope with that idea.

In the future, if you are unable to accept the responsibility of paying
for a kid...I suggest you keep your dick in your pants.

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Old January 22nd 06, 03:25 AM posted to alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.bush,talk.politics.misc,alt.child-support
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Provide proof that he re ran away from his responsibilities and was not
driven away, and had monetary demand placed on him, literally at the
point of a gun.


Everyone should be scared when a lobbyist group can use the State's power as
their enforcer to bide by their demands!
Like it or not, impoverished fathers should never be threatened with jail
and the State has absolutely no business threatening law abiding citizens
over money issues, especially when they squander massive amounts of money so
easily themselves.








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Old January 22nd 06, 03:33 AM posted to alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.bush,talk.politics.misc,alt.child-support
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"Galileo" wrote in

A falsely created debt matched by a falsely created death.......not a
problem to me.


Falsely created debt? So, you approve of men who father children and
contribute nothing to their upbringing or support...increasing the
chance that the mother (and children) will wind up on some sort of
government support? ****ing brilliant. Our tax dollars at work.


Ah give us all a ****ing break, our tax dollars get squandered on useless
projects and grants, not to mention the Trillions spent on foriegn affairs.
At least our tax dollars would go directly toward the kids and it wouldn't
be any $1200 a month.

In a free society, it's not up to us to approve or disapprove of other men's
behaviour or do you think we should all be under the control of the State if
we are labeled by a special interest group?


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Old January 22nd 06, 03:34 AM posted to alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.bush,talk.politics.misc,alt.child-support
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DB wrote:

Like it or not, impoverished fathers should never be threatened with jail


Impoverished? What about the impoverished mothers, who are trying to
raise the kids? Whichever person winds up with the kids (woman or man)
has the greater burden, and you know it.



and the State has absolutely no business threatening law abiding citizens
over money issues, especially when they squander massive amounts of money so
easily themselves.


And state troopers have no business stopping people for speeding when
the troopers routinely speed themselves?

We're right back to: if you don't want to pay support for a kid, don't
have one.

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Old January 22nd 06, 03:51 AM posted to alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.bush,talk.politics.misc,alt.child-support
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DB wrote:

Ah give us all a ****ing break, our tax dollars get squandered on useless
projects and grants, not to mention the Trillions spent on foriegn affairs.
At least our tax dollars would go directly toward the kids and it wouldn't
be any $1200 a month.


You fathered the kids, you help pay for them. If you can't, get a
second job. There are way too many families on welfare and public
assistance already. Get off your ass and help take care of your own
gene pool...especially if you want those kids to be around to take care
of you when you get too old to care for yourself.


In a free society, it's not up to us to approve or disapprove of other men's
behaviour or do you think we should all be under the control of the State if
we are labeled by a special interest group?


Aren't we already divided into special interest groups? I thought that
was the fun of a PC country...

"To approve or disapprove of other men's behavior." Funny. If their
"behavior" is creating a tax burden for the rest of us, you bet we have
a right to speak up.

Why do so many people in this country lack any sense of personal
responsibility?

If you want to be a lazy, whining maggot crawling on the buttocks of
society, that's your choice...but don't create kids who will wind up
costing taxpayers money because you're too ****ing lazy to care for
them yourself.

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Old January 22nd 06, 05:53 AM posted to alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.bush,talk.politics.misc,alt.child-support
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"Galileo" wrote in message
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P. Fritz wrote:

A falsely created debt matched by a falsely created death.......not a
problem to me.


Falsely created debt? So, you approve of men who father children and
contribute nothing to their upbringing or support...increasing the
chance that the mother (and children) will wind up on some sort of
government support? ****ing brilliant. Our tax dollars at work.


IF the father was required to pay for 1/2 the cost to meet the child's basic
needs (shelter, clothing and food--no luxury items) that would be one thing.
But requiring a man to pay for anything beyond that is way too intrusive.
Married couples aren't required to pay for more than the basic needs of a
child--why should divorced or never married fathers be required to pay
beyond that?



Free hint for the clueless.....college is not a right


Free hint for the comprehension impaired: read the whole paragraph
again. I said "IF" the mother could cover basic necessities on her
own, then maybe the father could start a college fund. What's your
suggestion for another way to contribute to the kids' support?


Even if the mother is able to cover the basic needs of the child, college is
still not a right, and the father should not be required to start a college
fund.



Provide proof that he re ran away from his responsibilities and was not
driven away, and had monetary demand placed on him, literally at the
point
of a gun.



I'm going by the article that was provided. Provide another source
that disproves it. Please.

My parents got divorced when I was 5, and my father paid support to my
mom until I was a teenager...because he knows I am partly his
responsibility. He was (and is) able to take responsibility for his
actions. From the whining we're seeing on this issue, it seems like a
lot of men out there aren't mature enough to cope with that idea.


I think that a lot of the complaints aren't about supporting children--but
about the intrusiveness of a system that gets to decide how much children
"need" based on what a man earns. Needs are needs--a child does not "need"
more every time his father gets a raise.



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Old January 22nd 06, 05:57 AM posted to alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.politics.bush,talk.politics.misc,alt.child-support
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"Galileo" wrote in

If you want to be a lazy, whining maggot crawling on the buttocks of
society, that's your choice...but don't create kids who will wind up
costing taxpayers money because you're too ****ing lazy to care for
them yourself.


All kids cost tax payers money, who do you think pays for your kids
education?

http://www.ebudget.ca.gov/agencies.html
California spends half of it's total budget for educating other people's
kids at a whopping $40 billion per year!







 




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