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(IL.) DCFS probes charges of cover-up at Maryville
August 16, 2003
DCFS probes charges of cover-up at Maryville BY CATHLEEN FALSANI Religion Reporter Copyright 2003, Digital Chicago Inc. http://tinyurl.com/k8f2 -- Dennis Deakin State Director:Illinois CPSWatch, Inc. http://www.cpswatch.com/il |
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(IL.) DCFS probes charges of cover-up at Maryville
It's been a long time coming.. but if anyone had listened to the kids who passed through Maryville there would have been no surprises. I do have to wonder how come the word of a child who claims sexual, physical abuse, or rape in the outside word is not questioned, yet the word of a child who claims mistreatment in a place such as Maryville is not heard? Do people have selective hearing? You bet they do! bobb |
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(IL.) DCFS probes charges of cover-up at Maryville
bobb wrote:
It's been a long time coming.. but if anyone had listened to the kids who passed through Maryville there would have been no surprises. I do have to wonder how come the word of a child who claims sexual, physical abuse, or rape in the outside word is not questioned, yet the word of a child who claims mistreatment in a place such as Maryville is not heard? Do people have selective hearing? You bet they do! bobb ---------------------- No, Dummy. Children who are not abused have no motive to fabricate stories about their parents. That's WHY they SHOULD be believed. Children who already WERE abused and are in an institution have nothing else to do BUT speak of their abuse. That's to be expected. Steve |
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(IL.) DCFS probes charges of cover-up at Maryville
"bobb" wrote in message ... "R. Steve Walz" wrote in message ... bobb wrote: It's been a long time coming.. but if anyone had listened to the kids who passed through Maryville there would have been no surprises. I do have to wonder how come the word of a child who claims sexual, physical abuse, or rape in the outside word is not questioned, yet the word of a child who claims mistreatment in a place such as Maryville is not heard? Do people have selective hearing? You bet they do! bobb ---------------------- No, Dummy. Children who are not abused have no motive to fabricate stories about their parents. That's WHY they SHOULD be believed. Children who already WERE abused and are in an institution have nothing else to do BUT speak of their abuse. That's to be expected. Steve Apparently you are not aware of the number of children who have, in fact, killed their parents because they didn't like house-hold rules, or wanted something the parents wouldn't buy them. One boy in a neighboring community killed his father just so he could drive dad's corvette to the prom.You must also be unawre of kids to falsey accused their parents of some wrong-doing merely to get even. A false accusation should not be surprising, nor should the fact that kids do fabricate stories. In Steve's world children never lie or make up stories. Children only and always speak the truth. It's the adults that lie. You wonder where they learned it. Best, Dan |
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(IL.) DCFS probes charges of cover-up at Maryville
On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 07:53:14 -0700, "bobb"
wrote: Apparently you are not aware of the number of children who have, in fact, killed their parents because they didn't like house-hold rules, or wanted something the parents wouldn't buy them. One boy in a neighboring community killed his father just so he could drive dad's corvette to the prom.You must also be unawre of kids to falsey accused their parents of some wrong-doing merely to get even. A false accusation should not be surprising, nor should the fact that kids do fabricate stories. bobb Most children who kill their parents do it because they were badly abused, just as most wives who kill husbands are battered spouses. http://www.nospank.net/n-i67.htm ::There is no doubt that Gregory Scruggs Jr. was abused by his ::father, Judge Janet Burney told a packed courtroom yesterday. :: ::"Blacked eyes, scars and bruises," she said, "should never be :art of parental discipline." :: ::But the Cuyahoga County Juvenile Court judge still found the ::13-year-old boy delinquent by virtue of voluntary manslaughter ::in the shooting death of his father in June. :: ::The abuse, she told Gregory, did not justify the killing - though ::she made it clear that she did not consider him a lost cause. The FBI statistics, for 1998, showed about 100 killings of parents by children under 18. About 70 percent of the parricide cases involve boys who kill their fathers in response to some type of abuse, Mones said. "Most of these kids don't have the same profile as kids who kill strangers," he said. "They tend to have average to above-average intelligence. They're polite, they obey adults. They generally don't have a history of acting violently at all." The surface reasons are not always the underlying reasons for the actions and I believe that even in that 30% where the FBI does not attribute the parricide to abuse, it is pretty likely to be under the surface if the cases were to be probed. Boys won't tell about some things even after they take actions that end the life of an abuser. In particular boys don't tell about sexual abuses. Many of the false allegations seem to take place in the context of a bitter divorces and custody battles and are not initiated by the children, but by one parent against the other. Children (especially young ones) will often back up a parent because they are confused about the reality of what is happening. -- Dorothy There is no sound, no cry in all the world that can be heard unless someone listens .. Outer Limits |
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(IL.) DCFS probes charges of cover-up at Maryville
"R. Steve Walz" wrote in message ... bobb wrote: It's been a long time coming.. but if anyone had listened to the kids who passed through Maryville there would have been no surprises. I do have to wonder how come the word of a child who claims sexual, physical abuse, or rape in the outside word is not questioned, yet the word of a child who claims mistreatment in a place such as Maryville is not heard? Do people have selective hearing? You bet they do! bobb ---------------------- No, Dummy. Children who are not abused have no motive to fabricate stories about their parents. That's WHY they SHOULD be believed. Children who already WERE abused and are in an institution have nothing else to do BUT speak of their abuse. That's to be expected. Steve Apparently you are not aware of the number of children who have, in fact, killed their parents because they didn't like house-hold rules, or wanted something the parents wouldn't buy them. One boy in a neighboring community killed his father just so he could drive dad's corvette to the prom.You must also be unawre of kids to falsey accused their parents of some wrong-doing merely to get even. A false accusation should not be surprising, nor should the fact that kids do fabricate stories. bobb |
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(IL.) DCFS probes charges of cover-up at Maryville
bobb wrote:
"R. Steve Walz" wrote in message No, Dummy. Children who are not abused have no motive to fabricate stories about their parents. That's WHY they SHOULD be believed. Children who already WERE abused and are in an institution have nothing else to do BUT speak of their abuse. That's to be expected. Steve Apparently you are not aware of the number of children who have, in fact, killed their parents because they didn't like house-hold rules, or wanted something the parents wouldn't buy them. ------------ Garbage. MUCH more abuse prior to that!! Sounds exactly like an abuser minimization! One boy in a neighboring community killed his father just so he could drive dad's corvette to the prom. ----------------- Kids who do this were abused for a VERY long time before that. You must also be unawre of kids to falsey accused their parents of some wrong-doing merely to get even. ------------------ If their parents behave as their friends, then they won't want to GET EVEN, now, will they?!! You ****ing dumb-ass. A false accusation should not be surprising, nor should the fact that kids do fabricate stories. ---------------- ****ing liar, that's the same **** lies parents told before child abuse laws investigated them and discovered their horrible abuses. Steve |
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(IL.) DCFS probes charges of cover-up at Maryville
Dan Sullivan wrote:
"bobb" wrote in message ... "R. Steve Walz" wrote in message ... bobb wrote: It's been a long time coming.. but if anyone had listened to the kids who passed through Maryville there would have been no surprises. I do have to wonder how come the word of a child who claims sexual, physical abuse, or rape in the outside word is not questioned, yet the word of a child who claims mistreatment in a place such as Maryville is not heard? Do people have selective hearing? You bet they do! bobb ---------------------- No, Dummy. Children who are not abused have no motive to fabricate stories about their parents. That's WHY they SHOULD be believed. Children who already WERE abused and are in an institution have nothing else to do BUT speak of their abuse. That's to be expected. Steve Apparently you are not aware of the number of children who have, in fact, killed their parents because they didn't like house-hold rules, or wanted something the parents wouldn't buy them. One boy in a neighboring community killed his father just so he could drive dad's corvette to the prom.You must also be unawre of kids to falsey accused their parents of some wrong-doing merely to get even. A false accusation should not be surprising, nor should the fact that kids do fabricate stories. In Steve's world children never lie or make up stories. --------------- Kids who feel they HAVE to make up stories DESERVE protection. Children only and always speak the truth. It's the adults that lie. You wonder where they learned it. Best, Dan ----------------- The weak must be protected from the strong. Steve |
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(IL.) DCFS probes charges of cover-up at Maryville
"R. Steve Walz" wrote in message ... Dan Sullivan wrote: "R. Steve Walz" wrote in message ... bobb wrote: It's been a long time coming.. but if anyone had listened to the kids who passed through Maryville there would have been no surprises. I do have to wonder how come the word of a child who claims sexual, physical abuse, or rape in the outside word is not questioned, yet the word of a child who claims mistreatment in a place such as Maryville is not heard? Do people have selective hearing? You bet they do! bobb ---------------------- No, Dummy. Children who are not abused have no motive to fabricate stories about their parents. That's WHY they SHOULD be believed. If you say your daddy (soon to be ex-husband) touched you on your butt I'll buy you a new dress. ---------------------------- If they love their father, they won't, if they don't then he deserves it, even if false. Who wouldn't agree with you, Steve? Children who already WERE abused and are in an institution have nothing else to do BUT speak of their abuse. That's to be expected. A friend of mine's daughter was in an alcohol rehab program when she was twelve. On her last day there in a group session my friend's daughter said she believed that everyone was abused. ---------------------------- They are, partly parents, partly society, partly life, it's all a matter of degree. And in a western family with authoritarian child- raising, it's inevitable. This statement prompted a report to the CPS hotline. -------------------- Good. His daughter thought she remembered her father touching her on her chest on her seventh birthday. ---------------------- Maybe she did. It's not YOURS to say. She also thought her father brought her naked to school and beat her with lead pipes. The school administration had known about the contentious divorce and they told CPS that they didn't see any inappropriate behavior on the part of the father. And there were no recollection of injuries to the girl by the school nurse or gym coach. CPS wrote up her story as if she told it to three people. ------------------------- Perhaps she did. Her counselor, the person who ran the group sessions, and the person who reported the allegation to CPS. ---------------- That adds up to three to me. Would you be surprised to know that they were all the same person? ---------------------- Doesn't matter. Why not? IOW there wasn't a BIT of credible evidence that the father had done anything to his daughter. -------------- So YOU say. Except she said so... classic. What's classic about it? Abusers do things in private. So do non-abusers. If you don't want to be called one, be nice to your child. CALLED ONE??? You said kids didn't lie about abuse, "Children who are not abused have no motive to fabricate stories about their parents. That's WHY they SHOULD be believed." and now you say they might lie about it because of their perception of what's nice and what isn't! If you're a good friend to them they won't want to hurt you. But they have two parents and one parent may have more control or influence over them than the other. In fact that's usually the case. If they do want to hurt you, it's BECAUSE YOU HURT THEM, You said a child could call their parent an abuser if they felt their parent wasn't nice to them. YOU ASSHOLE! I win. Dan |
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(IL.) DCFS probes charges of cover-up at Maryville
"Dan Sullivan" wrote in message .net... "R. Steve Walz" wrote in message ... bobb wrote: It's been a long time coming.. but if anyone had listened to the kids who passed through Maryville there would have been no surprises. I do have to wonder how come the word of a child who claims sexual, physical abuse, or rape in the outside word is not questioned, yet the word of a child who claims mistreatment in a place such as Maryville is not heard? Do people have selective hearing? You bet they do! bobb ---------------------- No, Dummy. Children who are not abused have no motive to fabricate stories about their parents. That's WHY they SHOULD be believed. If you say your daddy (soon to be ex-husband) touched you on your butt I'll buy you a new dress. If you don't say that mommy's new boyfriend touched you I won't pick you up anymore. Children who already WERE abused and are in an institution have nothing else to do BUT speak of their abuse. That's to be expected. A friend of mine's daughter was in an alcohol rehab program when she was twelve. On her last day there in a group session my friend's daughter said she believed that everyone was abused. This statement prompted a report to the CPS hotline. His daughter thought she remembered her father touching her on her chest on her seventh birthday. CPS wrote up her story as if she told it to three people. Her counselor, the person who ran the group sessions, and the person who reported the allegation to CPS. Would you be surprised to know that they were all the same person? When he got to his Fair Hearing (it took about three years) CPS produced no witnesses, no counselor, no daughter, and no mother. Not even the caseworker. All they did was submit the case record into evidence. According to the case record at the start of the investigation started his ex-wife was questioned by CPS. They asked if she had known all along about the supposed molestation on her daughter's birthday. Thinking she could get her ex-husband in trouble she said, "yes." Then CPS asked why she didn't report the allegation five years earlier and stop the visitation between the father and her daughter. OOOPS!!! CPS founded the mother for neglect. And after the father finished his statements at the Fair Hearing the Judge reversed CPS' finding because it was all smoke and mirrors. IOW there wasn't a BIT of credible evidence that the father had done anything to his daughter. Dan I could even bring myself to reply to R. Steve, Dan, but I do appreciate that you did. bobb |
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