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On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 11:27:46 -0700, Claudia wrote:
I think it was a regular level one, and it was trans-vaginal. Ah, forget my question then. Didn't they do another hCG test? That would tell you a lot more at this stage. I don't mean to worry you, but at 5w5d they found a normal sized sac, however I had low progesterone and the hCG wasn't doubling at all. I eventually miscarried, but from the u/s I would never have known that. Was there any particular reason for you to have this u/s so early on? Usually they wait until at least 8w, since it is so difficult to see anything that early. -- -- I mommy to DS (July '02) mommy to three tiny angels (28 Oct'03, 17 Feb'04 & 20 May'04) guardian of DH (33) |
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I think it was a regular level one, and it was trans-vaginal.
Thanks for the good wishes, they seemed to have helped: we found a tiny something INSIDE the uterus at the ultrasound yesterday. It's still kind of small for age but, as my doctor said, some people have to be at the end of the bell curve to make a bell curve. Best news is, of course, that it's inside. Woo hoo - glad to read that! Next check-up is Thursday. Thanks for answering and also thanks to the very detailed post from Dagny which was very helpful and informative. For some reason, I cannot answer to your post directly but I did want to say thanks. Claudia - much less agitated but still worried, a bit Glad everything looks better, continued fingers crossed. And I love your name too (saw your post that said it's common where you are, I really like it). -- Sophie #4 due July 7, 2004 |
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Claudia,
I hope that your "tiny something" continues to grow normally and turn into a nice happy little fetus! I don't want to be the voice of doom and gloom, but was the "tiny something" within range, although small? I do know someone who had an abdominal ectopic pregnancy, that wasn't caught very early because she also had a uterine sac -- the uterine sac wasn't viable, but it distracted away from the abdominal ectopic for a few weeks, until it was clear that the uterine sac wasn't viable, yet her beta numbers were still very very high. -- Jamie & Taylor Earth Angel, 1/3/03 Check out Taylor Marlys -- www.MyFamily.com, User ID: Clarkguest1, Password: Guest Become a member for free - go to Add Member to set up your own User ID and Password Check out our Adoption Page at http://home.earthlink.net/~jamielee6 "Claudia" wrote in message om... Donna wrote: What type/level of ultrasound did they do? A trans-vaginal U/S shows more than an abdominal one early (but is not the most pleasant experience), and a high-level one shows more than a regular one. Here's hoping that the baby is just hiding, but is where he/she's supposed to be. I think it was a regular level one, and it was trans-vaginal. Thanks for the good wishes, they seemed to have helped: we found a tiny something INSIDE the uterus at the ultrasound yesterday. It's still kind of small for age but, as my doctor said, some people have to be at the end of the bell curve to make a bell curve. Best news is, of course, that it's inside. Next check-up is Thursday. Thanks for answering and also thanks to the very detailed post from Dagny which was very helpful and informative. For some reason, I cannot answer to your post directly but I did want to say thanks. Claudia - much less agitated but still worried, a bit |
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Ilse Witch wrote:
Ah, forget my question then. Didn't they do another hCG test? No, they didn't. I have the impression it's one of those cultural things in medicine that I encounter a lot -- procedures that are viewed as perfectly normal, routine and necessary in the States are regarded as unusual or superfluous in Germany, and the other way around. That would tell you a lot more at this stage. I don't mean to worry you, but at 5w5d they found a normal sized sac, however I had low progesterone and the hCG wasn't doubling at all. I eventually miscarried, but from the u/s I would never have known that. I'm sorry to hear that. At this point, the main worry was the ectopic, not a miscarriage. Since that is ruled out now, my doctor wants another U/S on Thursday and then she'll decide what to do next. I think a miscarriage at this early age can't be prevented anyway, no? [And I worry anyway, nothing to do with your post...:-)] Was there any particular reason for you to have this u/s so early on? Usually they wait until at least 8w, since it is so difficult to see anything that early. Yes, I know... See, I'm from Germany, my husband is American and we live in Romania, where he's working for USAID. Romanian health care is, hm, not quite state-of-the-art, let's put it that way. I had to come to Germany for a family emergency and since I was here anyway, paid a visit to my Ob-Gyn. I hadn't planned it this way and maybe I would have been spared a lot of agonizing without this very early visit. We'll know more tomorrow. Best, Claudia |
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On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 22:31:57 -0700, Claudia wrote:
Ah, forget my question then. Didn't they do another hCG test? No, they didn't. I have the impression it's one of those cultural things in medicine that I encounter a lot IKWYM! But this isn't really cultural, it's a medical fact that one hCG draw is pretty much useless, so I wonder why they even bothered in the first place if they didn't plan a follow-up. If you get a chance, you may want to ask your doctor what the purpose of the hCG draw is, I am really curious, but that's up to you of course. Here's a good site with backgroud information: http://www.conceivingconcepts.com/le...icles/hcg.html -- procedures that are viewed as perfectly normal, routine and necessary in the States are regarded as unusual or superfluous in Germany, and the other way around. Hehe, I know, I've BTDT. I lived in Germany for several years and at the moment I'm in the US. They are definitely different in many things! I think a miscarriage at this early age can't be prevented anyway, no? [And I worry anyway, nothing to do with your post...:-)] No, you cannot prevent it, but IME it helps to know what's coming. Not that it will ever stop you from worrying, I take that to be another normal pregnancy symptom. I hadn't planned it this way and maybe I would have been spared a lot of agonizing without this very early visit. You're right. Knowing isn't always the best thing. Often early testing gives you more to worry about and raises more questions than answers, like in your case. In spite of the cultural differences, if you have no previous m/c, complaints or other medical problems, testing in early pregnancy is pretty useless. I hope the little sac stays put and soon you will see a healthy little embryo inside!! -- -- I mommy to DS (July '02) mommy to three tiny angels (28 Oct'03, 17 Feb'04 & 20 May'04) guardian of DH (33) |
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"JoFromOz" wrote in message ...
Hi Claudia. (I love your name!) We were discussing this at work last night... Ectopics can be detected as early as 3 weeks in someone with a very sensitive tube. The pain from an Ectopic pregnancy differs to (for example) appendicitis in that ectopics cause bowel pressure. (even small ones) If you do have an ectopic and it is in the tube, you would be feeling pain (enough to make you sweat!) and bowel pressure. If there is no pain, perhaps you don't have an ectopic? I hope so! Good luck! Jo(RM) Jo I wanted to respond to this especially since you are a pro -- maybe you can share it with your colleagues. I have had two ectopics and felt no pain with either of them, even though the second one ruptured. I just had to stress, especially to a professional, that the presence or absence of pain (which you are right is very subjective) alone is not an indicator of ectopic. The best diagnostic is quantitative serial HCGs and a transvaginal ultrasound. If there is nothing detected in the uterus but there is a positive HPT, ectopic should be one of the first things on the list to check. Hope it all resolves ok for the OP; seems like the initial scare might be past. Elle |
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Elle wrote:
"JoFromOz" wrote in message ... Hi Claudia. (I love your name!) We were discussing this at work last night... Ectopics can be detected as early as 3 weeks in someone with a very sensitive tube. The pain from an Ectopic pregnancy differs to (for example) appendicitis in that ectopics cause bowel pressure. (even small ones) If you do have an ectopic and it is in the tube, you would be feeling pain (enough to make you sweat!) and bowel pressure. If there is no pain, perhaps you don't have an ectopic? I hope so! Good luck! Jo(RM) Jo I wanted to respond to this especially since you are a pro -- maybe you can share it with your colleagues. I have had two ectopics and felt no pain with either of them, even though the second one ruptured. I just had to stress, especially to a professional, that the presence or absence of pain (which you are right is very subjective) alone is not an indicator of ectopic. The best diagnostic is quantitative serial HCGs and a transvaginal ultrasound. If there is nothing detected in the uterus but there is a positive HPT, ectopic should be one of the first things on the list to check. Hope it all resolves ok for the OP; seems like the initial scare might be past. Elle Thanks for posting this, Elle. I am not very experienced with ectopics, but the info I gave came from THE most experienced midwife I work with. Regarding the pain, I'm glad I wrote the word 'perhaps' Thanks, Jo (RM) |
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"JoFromOz" wrote in message ...
Elle wrote: "JoFromOz" wrote in message ... Hi Claudia. (I love your name!) We were discussing this at work last night... Ectopics can be detected as early as 3 weeks in someone with a very sensitive tube. The pain from an Ectopic pregnancy differs to (for example) appendicitis in that ectopics cause bowel pressure. (even small ones) If you do have an ectopic and it is in the tube, you would be feeling pain (enough to make you sweat!) and bowel pressure. If there is no pain, perhaps you don't have an ectopic? I hope so! Good luck! Jo(RM) Jo I wanted to respond to this especially since you are a pro -- maybe you can share it with your colleagues. I have had two ectopics and felt no pain with either of them, even though the second one ruptured. I just had to stress, especially to a professional, that the presence or absence of pain (which you are right is very subjective) alone is not an indicator of ectopic. The best diagnostic is quantitative serial HCGs and a transvaginal ultrasound. If there is nothing detected in the uterus but there is a positive HPT, ectopic should be one of the first things on the list to check. Hope it all resolves ok for the OP; seems like the initial scare might be past. Elle Thanks for posting this, Elle. I am not very experienced with ectopics, but the info I gave came from THE most experienced midwife I work with. Regarding the pain, I'm glad I wrote the word 'perhaps' Thanks, Jo (RM) Thanks Jo you are very gracious. It's obviously something I feel very strongly about. In my experience doctors were distracted by the fact that I didn't have any pain -- so often they chalk symptoms up to early m/c, and we all know how little follow-up they do on those. As as result I think it can take a little longer to diagnose ectopics, which can lead to a life treatening situation or loss of fertility. Running a few extra betas can provide a lot of good information. Regards Elle |
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