[META] Google goofiness

I know, I know. I should just get a real newsreader.

Anyway, I've noticed that us Googlers can't see our own posts
through...well...Google. There is a thread out there that was started
by a Googler and I can't see the original, plus I've posted myself,
had the post accepted and I can't see the post. I've also had others
respond to my unseen posts.

In my case at least, I've not used x-no-archive. Likely Google has
changed something - again. *sigh* Even though I post only about once
every couple of months, I'd like to be able to see myself. Can the
moderators do anything about this or is there something I can change?
Any input would be helpful.

Thanks!

- Bev - a Usenet vampire, unable to see her reflection

Bev Brandt wrote in :

I know, I know. I should just get a real newsreader.

Anyway, I've noticed that us Googlers can't see our own posts
through...well...Google. There is a thread out there that was started
by a Googler and I can't see the original, plus I've posted myself,
had the post accepted and I can't see the post. I've also had others
respond to my unseen posts.

If it reassures you at all, I couldn't find the message I'm replying to
in google either, even when I used the exact message-ID. The same
happened when I used other recent messages posted through google, from
other people.

I could display messages from last August.

--
Penny Gaines
UK mum to three

"Bev Brandt" wrote in message
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I know, I know. I should just get a real newsreader.

Anyway, I've noticed that us Googlers can't see our own posts
through...well...Google. There is a thread out there that was started
by a Googler and I can't see the original, plus I've posted myself,
had the post accepted and I can't see the post. I've also had others
respond to my unseen posts.

In my case at least, I've not used x-no-archive. Likely Google has
changed something - again. *sigh* Even though I post only about once
every couple of months, I'd like to be able to see myself. Can the
moderators do anything about this or is there something I can change?
Any input would be helpful.

Thanks!

- Bev - a Usenet vampire, unable to see her reflection


Oh no! I can see you, but it is awfully frustrating when you can't see some
of us! I don't have any suggestions for you other than the free german
server, but that may not work for your situation. Hang in there, someone
else is bound to have a suggestion.

-Aula, not googling
--
see my creative works on ebay under http://snurl.com/369o
and on zazzle at http://snurl.com/38oh

On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 13:38:48 EST, (Bev Brandt)
wrote:

I know, I know. I should just get a real newsreader.

Anyway, I've noticed that us Googlers can't see our own posts
through...well...Google. There is a thread out there that was started
by a Googler and I can't see the original, plus I've posted myself,
had the post accepted and I can't see the post. I've also had others
respond to my unseen posts.

Crikey, you're right. I just looked at this ng through google and I
don't see your post, either.

FWIW, I also checked on another (unmoderated) ng and I found a
google-post there was visible on google. So maybe it's problem with
this ng, or moderated ngs in general.

Nick

--
Nick Theodorakis

nicholas_theodorakis [at] urmc [dot] rochester [dot] edu

(Nick Theodorakis) wrote in message . ..
On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 13:38:48 EST, (Bev Brandt)
wrote:

I know, I know. I should just get a real newsreader.

Anyway, I've noticed that us Googlers can't see our own posts
through...well...Google. There is a thread out there that was started
by a Googler and I can't see the original, plus I've posted myself,
had the post accepted and I can't see the post. I've also had others
respond to my unseen posts.

Crikey, you're right. I just looked at this ng through google and I
don't see your post, either.

FWIW, I also checked on another (unmoderated) ng and I found a
google-post there was visible on google. So maybe it's problem with
this ng, or moderated ngs in general.

Nick

I can see myself just fine in misc.kids. So I think it's a moderation
thing, but quite likely more a combination of moderation and Google. I
don't know if anyone answers the phone at Google - so to speak - but
the moderation staff might want to look into this. Or not. Considering
it is just Google, it might not be worth it.

I'm vain, you know. I want to see my own work!

- Bev

Penny Gaines wrote in message ...
Bev Brandt wrote in :

I know, I know. I should just get a real newsreader.

Anyway, I've noticed that us Googlers can't see our own posts
through...well...Google. There is a thread out there that was started
by a Googler and I can't see the original, plus I've posted myself,
had the post accepted and I can't see the post. I've also had others
respond to my unseen posts.

If it reassures you at all, I couldn't find the message I'm replying to
in google either, even when I used the exact message-ID. The same
happened when I used other recent messages posted through google, from
other people.

This makes me feel better - I posted a couple of messages awhile ago,
never saw them, and just assumed that for some reason the moderators
nixed them! (I suppose I'll never see this one, either...)

Irene

Bev Brandt wrote:

Anyway, I've noticed that us Googlers can't see our own posts
through...well...Google...
I can see myself just fine in misc.kids. So I think it's a moderation
thing, but quite likely more a combination of moderation and Google. I
don't know if anyone answers the phone at Google - so to speak - but
the moderation staff might want to look into this.

We had another poster some time ago who brought this to our attention --
and that person *works* at Google, and still couldn't find a fix. It
doesn't seem to be anything we're doing on our end.

I periodically have to post through Google when my own ISP goes flaky.
Because of the delay, though, I routinely *read* posts on a web-based
server (News2Web) that lets me see what's there (Google and all) even
though I can't post through it. So I can verify that you can see the
Google posts elsewhere. Just not at Google.

--Robin
a moderator, but speaking for myself

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Bev Brandt wrote:

I can see myself just fine in misc.kids. So I think it's a moderation
thing, but quite likely more a combination of moderation and Google.

I think this is probably the case. But I don't think there's much
if anything that can be done about it.

One thing I have noticed is that the NNTP-Posting-Host header that
Google adds to provide a level of poster accountability gets
lost/removed/replaced when the post goes through the (our?) moderation
process, and it's possible that their software objects to this change
when it sees the post arrive to be archived/posted there. I suppose
that *if* this is the problem, there may be some way we can modify our
moderation software to avoid it.

--Robyn
A moderator, speculating for herself