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Vaccine quote of the week by Bernard Rimland, PhD
"Mark Probert" wrote in message ... Jason Johnson wrote: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mark, I have read studies on both sides of this issue. It appears to me (and I hope I wrong) that you instantly discount any studies or reports which indicate that mercury MAY be the cause of autism. Am I wrong? I hope so. Read my fingers....there are NO epidemiological studies showing a link...eight studies on diverse populations all show that there is no link....keep reading... Replication of findings is one of the "checks and balances" in the world of scientific research. You may recall the cold fusion debacle several years ago...or the Korean scientist on cloning whose findings could not be reproduced.... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mark, For the sake of this discussion, let's assume that you had 10 blood tests of 10 children that had autism in front of you and they all indicated that the children had dangerous levels of mercury. Would you discount those blood tests or assume that autism MAY be caused by mercury? Like I said, the epidemiological studies refute any possible connection between mercury and autism. Eight studies, LARGE diverse populations, all showing the same thing. Furthermore, how do we know that 10 non-autistic kids don't have equally high levels of mercury? If you want to use that model, all I need to do is to bring one kid with the same levels who does not have autism. I would assume that the autism MAY have been caused by mercury. Jason You would assume wrong. No. Your are wrong and posting misinformation. One?epidemiological study is wrong. One of them states the main exposure is coal and fish. http://www.holisticmed.com/dental/amalgam === http://www.y2khealthanddetox.c*om/mercuryinfo.html [several websites disappeared. NOT surprising.] 14. Both Health Canada (1996) and world Health Organization (1991) consider dental amalgams to be the single largest source of mercury exposure for the general public, with amalgam potentially contributing up to 84% (WHO, 1991) or total daily intake of all forms of mercury from all sources, http://www.valleyadvocate.com/*articles/dental.html Autopsy studies in Sweden, Germany and the United States have also established that people with amalgams have significantly more mercury in their brains and kidneys than those without, and the mercury concentration increases with the number of amalgams. Furthermore, the World Health Organization has stated that amalgam fillings constitute the majority of mercury exposure for people with amalgams -- more than every other mercury source combined. This finding has been independently verified by the national insurance program Health Canada and by the National Institutes of Dental Research. === http://www.icnr.com/uam/hgcourse/M4/SciLit5.html The mercury vapor from dental amalgam alone is a bigger source than all the other sources together. == http://www.ewg.org/reports/autism/execsumm.php http://www.ewg.org/reports/autism/part4.php http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...adly_immunity/ http://www.drgreene.com/21_1904.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-...-c_b_3184.html http://www.life-enthusiast.com/index...erns&Q2=Autism http://www.mercola.com/2000/oct/1/autism_mercury.htm |
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Vaccine quote of the week by Bernard Rimland, PhD
"Mark Probert" wrote in message ... Jason Johnson wrote: In article , Mark Probert wrote: Jason Johnson wrote: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mark, I have read studies on both sides of this issue. It appears to me (and I hope I wrong) that you instantly discount any studies or reports which indicate that mercury MAY be the cause of autism. Am I wrong? I hope so. Read my fingers....there are NO epidemiological studies showing a link...eight studies on diverse populations all show that there is no link....keep reading... Replication of findings is one of the "checks and balances" in the world of scientific research. You may recall the cold fusion debacle several years ago...or the Korean scientist on cloning whose findings could not be reproduced.... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mark, For the sake of this discussion, let's assume that you had 10 blood tests of 10 children that had autism in front of you and they all indicated that the children had dangerous levels of mercury. Would you discount those blood tests or assume that autism MAY be caused by mercury? Like I said, the epidemiological studies refute any possible connection between mercury and autism. Eight studies, LARGE diverse populations, all showing the same thing. Furthermore, how do we know that 10 non-autistic kids don't have equally high levels of mercury? If you want to use that model, all I need to do is to bring one kid with the same levels who does not have autism. I would assume that the autism MAY have been caused by mercury. Jason You would assume wrong. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mark, Good point. It appears to me that you have made up your mind that mercury plays no role in regard to the cause of autism. Even if you saw data indicating that every child that had autism also had high levels of mercury--you still would not be convinced. Try reading comprehension. What I said is that there is no evidence of causation. None. It is nothing more than a theory, and that is why Boyd Haley, et al, were excluded from testifying. All the evidence says otherwise. Two blatant lies. Evidence has been clearly posted over and over. I hope that I am wrong. I hope that mercury is not the cause of autism. Since there is no evidence that it is, your hopes have been answered. I have had lots of vaccines That is unusual for someone your age, unless you traveled to some really remote areas of the third world. and lots of dental fillings containing mercury. I hope that when the babies of the world are my age (55 years old) that the levels of mercury and other heavy metals are much lower than the levels in the bodies of people that are now 55 years old. There has been a decades long effort to reduce environmental mercury. |
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Vaccine quote of the week by Bernard Rimland, PhD
"Jan Drew" wrote in message . com... Try reading comprehension. What I said is that there is no evidence of causation. None. It is nothing more than a theory, and that is why Boyd Haley, et al, were excluded from testifying. All the evidence says otherwise. Two blatant lies. Evidence has been clearly posted over and over. Not lies, blatant or otherwise. The links you post from "Altcorp" and "WhaleTo" and other anti-vac liar sites do not constitute evidence no matter how warm and fuzzy they make you feel. As for lies, "I posted it with the permission of the author" is a lie. YOU are the blatant liar here and that has been irrefutably proven. -- --Rich Recommended websites: http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles http://www.acahf.org.au http://www.quackwatch.org/ http://www.skeptic.com/ http://www.csicop.org/ |
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Vaccine quote of the week by Bernard Rimland, PhD
"Jason Johnson" wrote in message ... In article . net, "Jeff" wrote: "Jason Johnson" wrote in message ... (...) Mark, Good point. It appears to me that you have made up your mind that mercury plays no role in regard to the cause of autism. Even if you saw data indicating that every child that had autism also had high levels of mercury--you still would not be convinced. I hope that I am wrong. I hope that mercury is not the cause of autism. I have had lots of vaccines and lots of dental fillings containing mercury. I hope that when the babies of the world are my age (55 years old) that the levels of mercury and other heavy metals are much lower than the levels in the bodies of people that are now 55 years old. I wish thimerasol were the cause of autism. In that case, it would be simple to prevent new cases of autism. But, unfortunately, autism is NOT cause by thimerasol, so preventing new cases is something beyound our current abilities. Jeff ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jeff, Scientists are still not still not 100 per cent sure related to the cause of autism. If mercury is the cause of autism, children would continue to develop autism even if thimerosal is banned. For example, there are high levels of mercury in some fish and the type of mercury in fish is even more dangerous than the type of mercury in vaccines. It's also possible that various heavy metals can cause autism. I once read an article about a elementary school that was located next to a large field. The farmer hired a helecopter pilot to spray that field with insecticides. Some of that spray ended up on the grass on the school yard and some of those children inhaled those insecticides. They came down with various types of breathing problems. I don't remember if any of them ended up with long term medical problems. I suspect that dangerous chemicals could also be involved in the development of autism. Jason ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~ In the thirties and forties, mercury was a common plaything for children. Coat pennies and other metals. Drop it on the table and see it bead. LOTS of exposure. Put it on one's teeth. Hmmmm. almost NO autism. Does mercury prevent autism? |
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Vaccine quote of the week by Bernard Rimland, PhD
In article , "vernon"
there@there wrote: "Jason Johnson" wrote in message ... In article . net, "Jeff" wrote: "Jason Johnson" wrote in message ... (...) Mark, Good point. It appears to me that you have made up your mind that mercury plays no role in regard to the cause of autism. Even if you saw data indicating that every child that had autism also had high levels of mercury--you still would not be convinced. I hope that I am wrong. I hope that mercury is not the cause of autism. I have had lots of vaccines and lots of dental fillings containing mercury. I hope that when the babies of the world are my age (55 years old) that the levels of mercury and other heavy metals are much lower than the levels in the bodies of people that are now 55 years old. I wish thimerasol were the cause of autism. In that case, it would be simple to prevent new cases of autism. But, unfortunately, autism is NOT cause by thimerasol, so preventing new cases is something beyound our current abilities. Jeff ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jeff, Scientists are still not still not 100 per cent sure related to the cause of autism. If mercury is the cause of autism, children would continue to develop autism even if thimerosal is banned. For example, there are high levels of mercury in some fish and the type of mercury in fish is even more dangerous than the type of mercury in vaccines. It's also possible that various heavy metals can cause autism. I once read an article about a elementary school that was located next to a large field. The farmer hired a helecopter pilot to spray that field with insecticides. Some of that spray ended up on the grass on the school yard and some of those children inhaled those insecticides. They came down with various types of breathing problems. I don't remember if any of them ended up with long term medical problems. I suspect that dangerous chemicals could also be involved in the development of autism. Jason ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~ In the thirties and forties, mercury was a common plaything for children. Coat pennies and other metals. Drop it on the table and see it bead. LOTS of exposure. Put it on one's teeth. Hmmmm. almost NO autism. Does mercury prevent autism? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hello, We done the same thing in the 1950's. We coated our coins with it and enjoyed playing with it. I do agree with the posters that indicated that genetics may play a role. I saw this quote in one of the posts which made sense to me and please let me know if it makes sense to you: "It is our genetics that determines how we respond to various toxins and poisons...some people are extremely sensitive to mercury." That could explain why 10 children could take all of the required vaccines (that contain thimerosal) and the result is that only one of those 10 children develops autism. Even if that theory is true, that child would have probably developed autism even if he or she had never received any vaccines containing thimerosal. The reason is that the child would eat various meals that had fish that was contaminated with methylmercury which is even more dangerous than the type of mercury used in vaccines. In addition, the child would receive dental fillings that contain mercury. At the very least, we should remove mercury from vaccines and dental fillings. Jason ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
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Vaccine quote of the week by Bernard Rimland, PhD
Jason Johnson wrote:
In article , Mark Probert wrote: Jason Johnson wrote: In article , Mark Probert wrote: Jason Johnson wrote: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mark, I have read studies on both sides of this issue. It appears to me (and I hope I wrong) that you instantly discount any studies or reports which indicate that mercury MAY be the cause of autism. Am I wrong? I hope so. Read my fingers....there are NO epidemiological studies showing a link...eight studies on diverse populations all show that there is no link....keep reading... Replication of findings is one of the "checks and balances" in the world of scientific research. You may recall the cold fusion debacle several years ago...or the Korean scientist on cloning whose findings could not be reproduced.... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mark, For the sake of this discussion, let's assume that you had 10 blood tests of 10 children that had autism in front of you and they all indicated that the children had dangerous levels of mercury. Would you discount those blood tests or assume that autism MAY be caused by mercury? Like I said, the epidemiological studies refute any possible connection between mercury and autism. Eight studies, LARGE diverse populations, all showing the same thing. Furthermore, how do we know that 10 non-autistic kids don't have equally high levels of mercury? If you want to use that model, all I need to do is to bring one kid with the same levels who does not have autism. I would assume that the autism MAY have been caused by mercury. Jason You would assume wrong. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mark, Good point. It appears to me that you have made up your mind that mercury plays no role in regard to the cause of autism. Even if you saw data indicating that every child that had autism also had high levels of mercury--you still would not be convinced. Try reading comprehension. What I said is that there is no evidence of causation. None. It is nothing more than a theory, and that is why Boyd Haley, et al, were excluded from testifying. All the evidence says otherwise. I hope that I am wrong. I hope that mercury is not the cause of autism. Since there is no evidence that it is, your hopes have been answered. I have had lots of vaccines That is unusual for someone your age, unless you traveled to some really remote areas of the third world. and lots of dental fillings containing mercury. I hope that when the babies of the world are my age (55 years old) that the levels of mercury and other heavy metals are much lower than the levels in the bodies of people that are now 55 years old. There has been a decades long effort to reduce environmental mercury. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ It might be unsual but it does happen. I was attending grade school in one county and received all of the required vaccinations. Several years later, I transferred to a school in a different county. You were in grade school in the late 50's early 60's and the number of vaccines where what? Look it up. The vaccine records could not be found so they required me to get a new series of vaccinations before I could attend that school. I understand that members of the military also have to take vaccines. That's one of the reasons that mercury should not be used in vaccines. One or two vaccines containing thimerosal don't cause much harm but some people (like me and members of the military) end up getting lots of vaccines containing thimerosal. Now you know another reason why I want thimerosal to be banned. When I was in the military, and being prepared to go to Southeast Asia, we received several shots, and, no one had an adverse reaction. That is not one out of 250 in my basic training unit. |
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Vaccine quote of the week by Bernard Rimland, PhD
Rich wrote:
"Jan Drew" wrote in message . com... Try reading comprehension. What I said is that there is no evidence of causation. None. It is nothing more than a theory, and that is why Boyd Haley, et al, were excluded from testifying. All the evidence says otherwise. Two blatant lies. Evidence has been clearly posted over and over. Not lies, blatant or otherwise. The links you post from "Altcorp" and "WhaleTo" and other anti-vac liar sites do not constitute evidence no matter how warm and fuzzy they make you feel. As for lies, "I posted it with the permission of the author" is a lie. YOU are the blatant liar here and that has been irrefutably proven. Not only that...Haley was barred from testifying because the judge found that he only has a theory, and no proof. |
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Vaccine quote of the week by Bernard Rimland, PhD
"Mark Probert" wrote in message ... Rich wrote: "Jan Drew" wrote in message . com... Try reading comprehension. What I said is that there is no evidence of causation. None. It is nothing more than a theory, and that is why Boyd Haley, et al, were excluded from testifying. All the evidence says otherwise. Two blatant lies. Evidence has been clearly posted over and over. Not lies, blatant or otherwise. The links you post from "Altcorp" and "WhaleTo" and other anti-vac liar sites do not constitute evidence no matter how warm and fuzzy they make you feel. As for lies, "I posted it with the permission of the author" is a lie. YOU are the blatant liar here and that has been irrefutably proven. Not only that...Haley was barred from testifying because the judge found that he only has a theory, and no proof. Dr. Geier and Dr. Haley were not qualified because his cuasation theory was filled with speculation that is *****directly contary to the **conclusions** reached in well respected and numberous epidemiologicand medical studies********. Period. |
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Vaccine quote of the week by Bernard Rimland, PhD
"Mark Probert" wrote in message ... Rich wrote: "Jan Drew" wrote in message . com... Try reading comprehension. What I said is that there is no evidence of causation. None. It is nothing more than a theory, and that is why Boyd Haley, et al, were excluded from testifying. All the evidence says otherwise. Two blatant lies. Evidence has been clearly posted over and over. Not lies, blatant or otherwise. Rich is totally a liar. He can see no lies. [there was no lump,lump head...is a fine example] The links you post from "Altcorp" and "WhaleTo" and other anti-vac liar sites do not constitute evidence no matter Yes, they do. how warm and fuzzy they make you feel. As for lies, "I posted it with the permission of the author" is a lie. YOU are the blatant liar here and that has been irrefutably proven. LOL! Not only that...Haley was barred from testifying because the judge found that he only has a theory, and no proof. Mark Probert WAS disbarred. Still is. He has lied for years. |
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Vaccine quote of the week by Bernard Rimland, PhD
"Mark Probert" wrote in message ... Jason Johnson wrote: In article , Mark Probert wrote: Jason Johnson wrote: In article , Mark Probert wrote: Jason Johnson wrote: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mark, I have read studies on both sides of this issue. It appears to me (and I hope I wrong) that you instantly discount any studies or reports which indicate that mercury MAY be the cause of autism. Am I wrong? I hope so. Read my fingers....there are NO epidemiological studies showing a link...eight studies on diverse populations all show that there is no link....keep reading... Replication of findings is one of the "checks and balances" in the world of scientific research. You may recall the cold fusion debacle several years ago...or the Korean scientist on cloning whose findings could not be reproduced.... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mark, For the sake of this discussion, let's assume that you had 10 blood tests of 10 children that had autism in front of you and they all indicated that the children had dangerous levels of mercury. Would you discount those blood tests or assume that autism MAY be caused by mercury? Like I said, the epidemiological studies refute any possible connection between mercury and autism. Eight studies, LARGE diverse populations, all showing the same thing. Furthermore, how do we know that 10 non-autistic kids don't have equally high levels of mercury? If you want to use that model, all I need to do is to bring one kid with the same levels who does not have autism. I would assume that the autism MAY have been caused by mercury. Jason You would assume wrong. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mark, Good point. It appears to me that you have made up your mind that mercury plays no role in regard to the cause of autism. Even if you saw data indicating that every child that had autism also had high levels of mercury--you still would not be convinced. Try reading comprehension. What I said is that there is no evidence of causation. None. It is nothing more than a theory, and that is why Boyd Haley, et al, were excluded from testifying. All the evidence says otherwise. I hope that I am wrong. I hope that mercury is not the cause of autism. Since there is no evidence that it is, your hopes have been answered. I have had lots of vaccines That is unusual for someone your age, unless you traveled to some really remote areas of the third world. and lots of dental fillings containing mercury. I hope that when the babies of the world are my age (55 years old) that the levels of mercury and other heavy metals are much lower than the levels in the bodies of people that are now 55 years old. There has been a decades long effort to reduce environmental mercury. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ It might be unsual but it does happen. I was attending grade school in one county and received all of the required vaccinations. Several years later, I transferred to a school in a different county. You were in grade school in the late 50's early 60's and the number of vaccines where what? Look it up. The vaccine records could not be found so they required me to get a new series of vaccinations before I could attend that school. I understand that members of the military also have to take vaccines. That's one of the reasons that mercury should not be used in vaccines. One or two vaccines containing thimerosal don't cause much harm but some people (like me and members of the military) end up getting lots of vaccines containing thimerosal. Now you know another reason why I want thimerosal to be banned. When I was in the military, and being prepared to go to Southeast Asia, we received several shots, and, no one had an adverse reaction. That is not one out of 250 in my basic training unit. In my unit, one big guy passed out (BEFORE he got the first injection). Two guys got lacerations when they flinched under the needleless injectors. That was out of 60 men. No actual adverse reactions that I was ever aware of. If there were any long-term consequences, they were probably blamed on agent orange. By the way, we were also run single-file naked through a long shed where guys with gas masks beat us with pillows full of powdered DDT. No ill effects from that either. No ukus survived, though. -- --Rich Recommended websites: http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles http://www.acahf.org.au http://www.quackwatch.org/ http://www.skeptic.com/ http://www.csicop.org/ |
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