Spanking Leads To Child Aggression And Anxiety, Regardless Of Cultural Norm

"0:-" wrote in message
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I offered to debate this issue with krp.

Let see your PROOF that spanking causes agression in children. It's YOU
claim, PROVE IT!
Debate the FACTS if you can and leave personalities out of it IF you can. I
bet you can't.

"Ron" wrote in message
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Ron there are children who self discipline. They never need a
spanking.
(snip)

Kenny, I'm not involved in this discussion, and rarely comment on CP
issues. Do some research dopy, get the facts before you again make
yourself look like an idiot.



I see you deliberately SNIPPED all references to the claims of Dr.
Gelles and the refutations from Dr. Steinmetz and Dr. Spock..

" krp" wrote in message
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"Ron" wrote in message
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(snip)

Ron there are children who self discipline. They never need a
spanking.
(snip)

Kenny, I'm not involved in this discussion, and rarely comment on CP
issues. Do some research dopy, get the facts before you again make
yourself look like an idiot.

I see you deliberately SNIPPED all references to the claims of Dr.
Gelles and the refutations from Dr. Steinmetz and Dr. Spock..

Yes, they were not relevant to my post. Only your own stupidity.

Ron

"Ron" wrote in message
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(snip)

Ron there are children who self discipline. They never need a
spanking.
(snip)

Kenny, I'm not involved in this discussion, and rarely comment on CP
issues. Do some research dopy, get the facts before you again make
yourself look like an idiot.

I see you deliberately SNIPPED all references to the claims of Dr.
Gelles and the refutations from Dr. Steinmetz and Dr. Spock..

Yes, they were not relevant to my post. Only your own stupidity.


Yeah they are but feel FREE to show us your "SCIENTIFIC PROOF" that spanking
CAUSES aggression in children.
So you can "DEBATE" me.

Can the pro-spankers define spanking? how hard, where on body, and for
what?
Have you tried non-violent ways to disipline?

krp wrote:
"Ron" wrote in message
...

(snip)

Ron there are children who self discipline. They never need a
spanking.
(snip)

Kenny, I'm not involved in this discussion, and rarely comment on CP
issues. Do some research dopy, get the facts before you again make
yourself look like an idiot.

I see you deliberately SNIPPED all references to the claims of Dr.
Gelles and the refutations from Dr. Steinmetz and Dr. Spock..

Yes, they were not relevant to my post. Only your own stupidity.


Yeah they are but feel FREE to show us your "SCIENTIFIC PROOF" that spanking
CAUSES aggression in children.
So you can "DEBATE" me.

Well, I can see that my attempt to open a debate with you, based on
your claims (I made none related to your reply) is not going to go
anywhere. You still can't seem to stop lying.

And you have attempted to draw others into this exchange between you
and I.

I said I'd debate YOU, and no one else.

Oddly enough you pick the person who holds opinions that differ with
mine on the subject of corporal punishment who I respect in these
forums, and try to force him to my side on this issue.

Ron and I have stated our case on CP to each other. We are satisfied,
if I understood him correctly, that we disagree, that neither of us are
"lying," or attempting the kind of games Doan, or you, are playing and
let it go at that.

I asked you to debate me, and with specific simple easily met
conditions. Clarification of terms, mostly. And to confine ourselves to
aps, and each other in the debate.

You have shown me that you refuse.

I'll give you one more opportunity, and you if fly off in other
directions, you can forget it. I won't respond.

Let's start at the beginning. I posted a quote from an article on an
international study, a survey of families in a number of countries,
across the spectrum of CP acceptability or rejection.

It was met with comments by Doan and LaVonne, and you dropped in at one
point with this comment, your first, in the thread:

"There is NO scientifically acceptable evidence that spanking causes
aggression in Children. There is considerable evidence that a lack of
spanking can produce sociopathy in children. "

You made this statement in reply to Doan's claim that the title of the
article was bogus.

Now if you two wish to sign each other's dance card, be my guest, but
I, Kane, offerred to take you up on your claim.

You have chosen, so far to go everywhere but to my challenge.

You have NOT, as I requested, clarified what you would consider
"acceptable," in "scientifically acceptable evidence," and you have not
stuck to aps as the forum to have our debate in.

You have not presented your evidence for proof of sociopathy in
children being produced by a lack of "spanking," as you put it. And you
most certainly made a statement that this is true because more
sociopathogy is present now than in the past in the population.

This was presented as fiat but NO proof, no data, no facts, no
authoritative sources.

If you wish to have a war of opinions you can certainly do so. But, Ken
it was NOT I who made a claim about this issue, I simply posted an
article and YOU then made personal claims regarding and quoted by me as
above.

Debate here in aps without crossposting. Debate with ME alone. Agree to
and adhere to no ad hom. Remove all personal issues about me or other
posters.

Define your terms. I will not debate with opinion.

And then use YOUR definitions of your terms to make your argument.

"There is NO scientifically acceptable evidence that spanking causes
aggression in Children. There is considerable evidence that a lack of
spanking can produce sociopathy in children. "

Gelles et al are not the only researchers.

As I said, define what you mean by 'acceptable,' in terms that go
beyond opinion, and show your evidence....beyond opinion, that would
meet your definition of "scientifically acceptable evidence," for lack
of spanking producing sociopathology in children.

Can you handle it? Can you control yourself?

Let's see.

I will cross post this out to ascps soley that you might not miss it.

The exchange between us on topic won't begin until you meet those
simple criteria, including posting only to aps.

Best wished, Kane

Firemonkey wrote:
Can the pro-spankers define spanking? how hard, where on body, and for
what?
Have you tried non-violent ways to disipline?

Spanking should always be the LAST resort.

If spanking is to be used, it should be three swats on the behind with
an open hand NOT to cause injury, but to gain the child's attention...
and NOT while the parent who's doing the spanking is angry.

NO IMPLEMENTS other than an open hand!!!!

Firemonkey wrote:

Spanking rants are ot here.

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0:- wrote:

Don,

Your hyterical rants do not belong here.

Are you Pangs big brother?

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Dan Sullivan wrote:

Don Fisher's spanking rants are ot here.

IOW - yo disgusting daddy ain't welcome.

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