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Don's pathetic disruptions
monkeysgirl wrote:
0:- wrote: Don - r u gay? No. I'd tell you if I was though. It's nothing to be ashamed of. Did u raise gay spawn? I haven't asked them. Nothing indicates they are gay. If they were and I had their permission I'd certainly say so. It's nothing to be ashamed of. Michael, are you now going back to your typical gay bashing ways? 0:- |
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monkeysgirl wrote: 0:- wrote: Don - r u gay? No. I'd tell you if I was though. It's nothing to be ashamed of. Did u raise gay spawn? I haven't asked them. Nothing indicates they are gay. If they were and I had their permission I'd certainly say so. It's nothing to be ashamed of. Then y r they hiding it from you? Michael, are you now going back to your typical gay bashing ways? 0:- -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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monkeysgirl wrote:
0:- wrote: monkeysgirl wrote: 0:- wrote: Don - r u gay? No. I'd tell you if I was though. It's nothing to be ashamed of. Did u raise gay spawn? I haven't asked them. Nothing indicates they are gay. If they were and I had their permission I'd certainly say so. It's nothing to be ashamed of. Then y r they hiding it from you? I wouldn't have the faintest idea. Why did they reveal it to you and not me? Michael, are you now going back to your typical gay bashing ways? Can't handle the role playing, I see. 0:- 0:- |
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Spanking Leads To Child Aggression And Anxiety, Regardless OfCultural Norm
So much for the claim that I am on your "do-not-reply" list. Once again, you have proven yourself to be a STUPID liar! Hihihi! Doan On Sat, 13 Jan 2007, 0:- wrote: Doan wrote: ....hihihi....... So much for the claim that I am on your "do-not-reply" list. Once again, you have proven yourself to be a STUPID liar! Hihihi! Doan On Sat, 13 Jan 2007, 0:- wrote: Doan wrote: ....hihihi.... On Sat, 13 Jan 2007, krp wrote: "0:-" wrote in message oups.com... Yeah they are but feel FREE to show us your "SCIENTIFIC PROOF" that spanking CAUSES aggression in children. So you can "DEBATE" me. Well, I can see that my attempt to open a debate with you, based on your claims (I made none related to your reply) is not going to go anywhere. You still can't seem to stop lying. I see you cannot address the "debate" with scientific evidence to support YOUR endorsement of spanking causing children to be aggressive, instead you make the debate about ME! Noted. You lose again! And you have attempted to draw others into this exchange between you and I. Nope I have NOT. LIAR! I said I'd debate YOU, and no one else. That's YOUR problem not mine. So far you aren't debating me but you're whining like a child and changing the subject. Oddly enough you pick the person who holds opinions that differ with mine on the subject of corporal punishment who I respect in these forums, and try to force him to my side on this issue. I didn't pick anyone Kane. I asked you to debate me, and with specific simple easily met conditions. Clarification of terms, mostly. And to confine ourselves to aps, and each other in the debate. Fine show me scientific evidence to support your position. YOU WON'T! YOU CAN'T! SO you make this about me. What debating skills. You have shown me that you refuse. No it is YOU who is refusing. Let's start at the beginning. I posted a quote from an article on an international study, a survey of families in a number of countries, across the spectrum of CP acceptability or rejection. Let's start with one point of agreement. A "survey" is NOT a "study" and typically is NOT "scientific." Certainly NOT proof of causality. It was met with comments by Doan and LaVonne, and you dropped in at one point with this comment, your first, in the thread: "There is NO scientifically acceptable evidence that spanking causes aggression in Children. There is considerable evidence that a lack of spanking can produce sociopathy in children. " There isn't! You have repeatedly been challenged to present some, to this point you have REFUSED to do so! You made this statement in reply to Doan's claim that the title of the article was bogus. The claim IS bogus from a scientific standpoint. Uf you want to debate that, SHOW US YOUR EVIDENCE! Now if you two wish to sign each other's dance card, be my guest, but I, Kane, offerred to take you up on your claim. No you have chosen so far to be a blowhard. Present your evidence ort admit defeat! You have chosen, so far to go everywhere but to my challenge. I went straight at it. Present your PROOF!!! Burden is on YOU. You have NOT, as I requested, clarified what you would consider "acceptable," in "scientifically acceptable evidence," and you have not stuck to aps as the forum to have our debate in. I don't subscribe to that forum. Why must I confine it there? What's scientifically acceptable? A "study" (not a survey) conducted by a qualified authority that uses the scientific mthod to demonstrate causality. NOT an opinion piece by another blowhard you agree with. SCIENCE documented as to methodology and verified and subjected to peer review published in a recognized journal. You have not presented your evidence for proof of sociopathy in children being produced by a lack of "spanking," as you put it. And you most certainly made a statement that this is true because more sociopathogy is present now than in the past in the population. Yeah I did, you snipped it and ignore it. This was presented as fiat but NO proof, no data, no facts, no authoritative sources. YOU made the dogmatic claim that spanking "CAUSES AGRESSION IN CHILDREN" Yopu have not offered anything by an OPINION piece bereft opf har evidence. If you wish to have a war of opinions you can certainly do so. But, Ken it was NOT I who made a claim about this issue, I simply posted an article and YOU then made personal claims regarding and quoted by me as above. You claim the article is definative. I said it isn't ans asked for PROOF from you that it is CAUSAL. SO far - 100% of your efforts have been attacks on ME and NADA as to evidence to support the original bull**** claim. Debate here in aps without crossposting. Debate with ME alone. Agree to and adhere to no ad hom. Remove all personal issues about me or other posters. You first and I will maintain ASCPS. Afraid? Need to summon your supporters? Want a firendly forum? Define your terms. I will not debate with opinion. YOU FIRST! And then use YOUR definitions of your terms to make your argument. "There is NO scientifically acceptable evidence that spanking causes aggression in Children. There is considerable evidence that a lack of spanking can produce sociopathy in children. " I have started, BUT - YOU made the original claimm and REFUSE to present supporting evidence. Again OPINION SURVEYS are NOT "science!" PERIOD! Gelles et al are not the only researchers. Just the most respected. As I said, define what you mean by 'acceptable,' in terms that go beyond opinion, and show your evidence....beyond opinion, that would meet your definition of "scientifically acceptable evidence," for lack of spanking producing sociopathology in children. YOU FIRST! Can you handle it? Can you control yourself? Let's see. Physician heal thyself first. I will cross post this out to ascps soley that you might not miss it. Tell you what Kane. Post it ONLY do your spanking newsgroup so I won't have to see your whining bull****. Then you can declare yourself to be the WINNER in your little circle, opr debate me OPENLY and start presenting FACTS and not your usual bull****. The exchange between us on topic won't begin until you meet those simple criteria, including posting only to aps. No - weenie - YOU do NOT get to make all the rules Mein Fuehrer! Debate me openly or STFU! And start presenting scientific evidence to support your claim. You do NOT get to throw a hissy-fit and demand that I disprove your silly bull**** first. Get one thing through your head Kane you are NOT the BOSS here, NOT with me you ain't. Save that bull**** for people you CAN bully into giving up their kids to you! You don't come remotely close to scaring me pr making me back down. Now if you really want to debate - PRESENT YOUR EVIDENCE and then I will respond to it. My bet is Kane won't and can't. He got his ass kicked by me so many in this newsgroup that he now afraid to face me directly because I keep exposing his STUPIDITY so that everyone can see it. His latest STUPIDITY is this claim: "Correlation is a valid scientific concept. It is and has been used successfully to make major policy and decisions to action on things as varied as rocket launches, and what to serve for breakfast." Doan |
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Spanking Leads To Child Aggression And Anxiety, Regardless OfCultural Norm
So much for the claim that I am on your "do-not-reply" list. Once again,
you have proven yourself to be a STUPID liar! Hihihi! Doan On Sat, 13 Jan 2007, 0:- wrote: Doan wrote: .........hihihi............... snicker Hahaha! I thought that I am on your "do-not-reply" list. You are such a STUPID liar! ;-) Doan On Sat, 13 Jan 2007, 0:- wrote: Doan wrote: .....hihihi..... chuckle On Sat, 13 Jan 2007, 0:- wrote: krp wrote: "0:-" wrote in message news:VZadnTfKcrfscDrYnZ2dnUVZ_sOknZ2d@scnresearch. com... First, the study is a correlation study. No CAUSATION can be implied. Thus, the claim that spanking "Leads" to child aggression and anxiety is bogus! Second, the authors themselves admitted that they included beatings that are certainly abusive in the USA in study. If you really want to debate this study, I am willing to give it a shot - no verbal abuse warranted. ;-) Wanna give me a try? My guess is you will be the one that do the avoidance and instead will use your little Kane9 to do the verbal abuse and attack for you. There is NO scientifically acceptable evidence that spanking causes aggression in Children. There is considerable evidence that a lack of spanking can produce sociopathy in children. Do you know that Kane is a "never-spanked" boy? Did you notice, Ken, that Doan didn't agree with you? Didn't contribute anything to the issue? Should I fly off the handle at him? I can't think why. He supports you. Call him names? That's entirely up to you who you call names. Seems you've chosen me. Belittle him? You don't belittle people? Find somebody that says bad things about him and proclaim that I agree 100% with what his detractors claim about him? No Kane - I AM NOT YOU! Where did I agree 100% with your detractors? I agree with them when I look at your postings, not with their claims. I take their claims with a grain of salt. I've said so. My status or yours as having been spanked or not is not relevant to the issue if we are going to discuss facts....and FACTS seem to be what you claim you have. A lack of discipline as a child can and usually does explain abusive behavior in adults. A lack of personally integrated self control, by way of developing a conscience, usually does explain abusive behavior in adults. Now which is it for you, Ken? Still now "scientific" proof from Kane! ;-) Doan |
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Spanking Leads To Child Aggression And Anxiety, Regardless OfCultural Norm
So much for the claim that I am on your "do-not-reply" list. Once again,
you have proven yourself to be a STUPID liar! Hihihi! Doan On Sat, 13 Jan 2007, 0:- wrote: Doan wrote: ....hihihi....... smile Hihihi! What a STUPID liar you are! Doan On Sat, 13 Jan 2007, 0:- wrote: Doan wrote: ...more "hihihi"..... R R R R On Sat, 13 Jan 2007, Ron wrote: " krp" wrote in message news:cP7qh.199$hi7.49@trnddc08... "Ron" wrote in message ... (snip) Ron there are children who self discipline. They never need a spanking. (snip) Kenny, I'm not involved in this discussion, and rarely comment on CP issues. Do some research dopy, get the facts before you again make yourself look like an idiot. I see you deliberately SNIPPED all references to the claims of Dr. Gelles and the refutations from Dr. Steinmetz and Dr. Spock.. Yes, they were not relevant to my post. Only your own stupidity. Yeah they are but feel FREE to show us your "SCIENTIFIC PROOF" that spanking CAUSES aggression in children. So you can "DEBATE" me. I don't have any such proof ken, and have never claimed it. The only thing I have proven is that you are a liar, again. But you should be getting that point by now, everyone else is. Ron Kane is claiming that he has the proof, Ron. Doan |
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Spanking Leads To Child Aggression And Anxiety, Regardless OfCultural Norm
Doan wrote:
.....hihihi..... snicker So much for the claim that I am on your "do-not-reply" list. Once again, you have proven yourself to be a STUPID liar! Hihihi! Doan On Sat, 13 Jan 2007, 0:- wrote: Doan wrote: ....hihihi....... So much for the claim that I am on your "do-not-reply" list. Once again, you have proven yourself to be a STUPID liar! Hihihi! Doan On Sat, 13 Jan 2007, 0:- wrote: Doan wrote: ....hihihi.... On Sat, 13 Jan 2007, krp wrote: "0:-" wrote in message oups.com... Yeah they are but feel FREE to show us your "SCIENTIFIC PROOF" that spanking CAUSES aggression in children. So you can "DEBATE" me. Well, I can see that my attempt to open a debate with you, based on your claims (I made none related to your reply) is not going to go anywhere. You still can't seem to stop lying. I see you cannot address the "debate" with scientific evidence to support YOUR endorsement of spanking causing children to be aggressive, instead you make the debate about ME! Noted. You lose again! And you have attempted to draw others into this exchange between you and I. Nope I have NOT. LIAR! I said I'd debate YOU, and no one else. That's YOUR problem not mine. So far you aren't debating me but you're whining like a child and changing the subject. Oddly enough you pick the person who holds opinions that differ with mine on the subject of corporal punishment who I respect in these forums, and try to force him to my side on this issue. I didn't pick anyone Kane. I asked you to debate me, and with specific simple easily met conditions. Clarification of terms, mostly. And to confine ourselves to aps, and each other in the debate. Fine show me scientific evidence to support your position. YOU WON'T! YOU CAN'T! SO you make this about me. What debating skills. You have shown me that you refuse. No it is YOU who is refusing. Let's start at the beginning. I posted a quote from an article on an international study, a survey of families in a number of countries, across the spectrum of CP acceptability or rejection. Let's start with one point of agreement. A "survey" is NOT a "study" and typically is NOT "scientific." Certainly NOT proof of causality. It was met with comments by Doan and LaVonne, and you dropped in at one point with this comment, your first, in the thread: "There is NO scientifically acceptable evidence that spanking causes aggression in Children. There is considerable evidence that a lack of spanking can produce sociopathy in children. " There isn't! You have repeatedly been challenged to present some, to this point you have REFUSED to do so! You made this statement in reply to Doan's claim that the title of the article was bogus. The claim IS bogus from a scientific standpoint. Uf you want to debate that, SHOW US YOUR EVIDENCE! Now if you two wish to sign each other's dance card, be my guest, but I, Kane, offerred to take you up on your claim. No you have chosen so far to be a blowhard. Present your evidence ort admit defeat! You have chosen, so far to go everywhere but to my challenge. I went straight at it. Present your PROOF!!! Burden is on YOU. You have NOT, as I requested, clarified what you would consider "acceptable," in "scientifically acceptable evidence," and you have not stuck to aps as the forum to have our debate in. I don't subscribe to that forum. Why must I confine it there? What's scientifically acceptable? A "study" (not a survey) conducted by a qualified authority that uses the scientific mthod to demonstrate causality. NOT an opinion piece by another blowhard you agree with. SCIENCE documented as to methodology and verified and subjected to peer review published in a recognized journal. You have not presented your evidence for proof of sociopathy in children being produced by a lack of "spanking," as you put it. And you most certainly made a statement that this is true because more sociopathogy is present now than in the past in the population. Yeah I did, you snipped it and ignore it. This was presented as fiat but NO proof, no data, no facts, no authoritative sources. YOU made the dogmatic claim that spanking "CAUSES AGRESSION IN CHILDREN" Yopu have not offered anything by an OPINION piece bereft opf har evidence. If you wish to have a war of opinions you can certainly do so. But, Ken it was NOT I who made a claim about this issue, I simply posted an article and YOU then made personal claims regarding and quoted by me as above. You claim the article is definative. I said it isn't ans asked for PROOF from you that it is CAUSAL. SO far - 100% of your efforts have been attacks on ME and NADA as to evidence to support the original bull**** claim. Debate here in aps without crossposting. Debate with ME alone. Agree to and adhere to no ad hom. Remove all personal issues about me or other posters. You first and I will maintain ASCPS. Afraid? Need to summon your supporters? Want a firendly forum? Define your terms. I will not debate with opinion. YOU FIRST! And then use YOUR definitions of your terms to make your argument. "There is NO scientifically acceptable evidence that spanking causes aggression in Children. There is considerable evidence that a lack of spanking can produce sociopathy in children. " I have started, BUT - YOU made the original claimm and REFUSE to present supporting evidence. Again OPINION SURVEYS are NOT "science!" PERIOD! Gelles et al are not the only researchers. Just the most respected. As I said, define what you mean by 'acceptable,' in terms that go beyond opinion, and show your evidence....beyond opinion, that would meet your definition of "scientifically acceptable evidence," for lack of spanking producing sociopathology in children. YOU FIRST! Can you handle it? Can you control yourself? Let's see. Physician heal thyself first. I will cross post this out to ascps soley that you might not miss it. Tell you what Kane. Post it ONLY do your spanking newsgroup so I won't have to see your whining bull****. Then you can declare yourself to be the WINNER in your little circle, opr debate me OPENLY and start presenting FACTS and not your usual bull****. The exchange between us on topic won't begin until you meet those simple criteria, including posting only to aps. No - weenie - YOU do NOT get to make all the rules Mein Fuehrer! Debate me openly or STFU! And start presenting scientific evidence to support your claim. You do NOT get to throw a hissy-fit and demand that I disprove your silly bull**** first. Get one thing through your head Kane you are NOT the BOSS here, NOT with me you ain't. Save that bull**** for people you CAN bully into giving up their kids to you! You don't come remotely close to scaring me pr making me back down. Now if you really want to debate - PRESENT YOUR EVIDENCE and then I will respond to it. My bet is Kane won't and can't. He got his ass kicked by me so many in this newsgroup that he now afraid to face me directly because I keep exposing his STUPIDITY so that everyone can see it. His latest STUPIDITY is this claim: "Correlation is a valid scientific concept. It is and has been used successfully to make major policy and decisions to action on things as varied as rocket launches, and what to serve for breakfast." Doan |
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On 13 Jan 2007, Greegor wrote:
Ken, Kane wants you to capitulate to his terms, and if you don't submit he will throw a hissy fit! 1 on 1 alt.parenting.spanking only It's just part of Kane's Megalomania. Neither ascps nor aps is moderated nor are they Kane's. That's true and it only, once again, exposed Kane's STUPIDITY! ;-) Doan |
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Doan wrote:
.....hihihi..... R R R R R So much for the claim that I am on your "do-not-reply" list. Once again, you have proven yourself to be a STUPID liar! Hihihi! Doan On Sat, 13 Jan 2007, 0:- wrote: Doan wrote: .........hihihi............... snicker Hahaha! I thought that I am on your "do-not-reply" list. You are such a STUPID liar! ;-) Doan On Sat, 13 Jan 2007, 0:- wrote: Doan wrote: .....hihihi..... chuckle On Sat, 13 Jan 2007, 0:- wrote: krp wrote: "0:-" wrote in message news:VZadnTfKcrfscDrYnZ2dnUVZ_sOknZ2d@scnresearch. com... First, the study is a correlation study. No CAUSATION can be implied. Thus, the claim that spanking "Leads" to child aggression and anxiety is bogus! Second, the authors themselves admitted that they included beatings that are certainly abusive in the USA in study. If you really want to debate this study, I am willing to give it a shot - no verbal abuse warranted. ;-) Wanna give me a try? My guess is you will be the one that do the avoidance and instead will use your little Kane9 to do the verbal abuse and attack for you. There is NO scientifically acceptable evidence that spanking causes aggression in Children. There is considerable evidence that a lack of spanking can produce sociopathy in children. Do you know that Kane is a "never-spanked" boy? Did you notice, Ken, that Doan didn't agree with you? Didn't contribute anything to the issue? Should I fly off the handle at him? I can't think why. He supports you. Call him names? That's entirely up to you who you call names. Seems you've chosen me. Belittle him? You don't belittle people? Find somebody that says bad things about him and proclaim that I agree 100% with what his detractors claim about him? No Kane - I AM NOT YOU! Where did I agree 100% with your detractors? I agree with them when I look at your postings, not with their claims. I take their claims with a grain of salt. I've said so. My status or yours as having been spanked or not is not relevant to the issue if we are going to discuss facts....and FACTS seem to be what you claim you have. A lack of discipline as a child can and usually does explain abusive behavior in adults. A lack of personally integrated self control, by way of developing a conscience, usually does explain abusive behavior in adults. Now which is it for you, Ken? Still now "scientific" proof from Kane! ;-) Doan |
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Spanking Leads To Child Aggression And Anxiety, Regardless OfCultural Norm
I'm not even gonna OT these gems - I luv it when you clowns kook out.
0:- wrote: Doan wrote: ....hihihi..... R R R R R So much for the claim that I am on your "do-not-reply" list. Once again, you have proven yourself to be a STUPID liar! Hihihi! Doan On Sat, 13 Jan 2007, 0:- wrote: Doan wrote: .........hihihi............... snicker Hahaha! I thought that I am on your "do-not-reply" list. You are such a STUPID liar! ;-) Doan On Sat, 13 Jan 2007, 0:- wrote: Doan wrote: .....hihihi..... chuckle On Sat, 13 Jan 2007, 0:- wrote: krp wrote: "0:-" wrote in message news:VZadnTfKcrfscDrYnZ2dnUVZ_sOknZ2d@scnresearch. com... First, the study is a correlation study. No CAUSATION can be implied. Thus, the claim that spanking "Leads" to child aggression and anxiety is bogus! Second, the authors themselves admitted that they included beatings that are certainly abusive in the USA in study. If you really want to debate this study, I am willing to give it a shot - no verbal abuse warranted. ;-) Wanna give me a try? My guess is you will be the one that do the avoidance and instead will use your little Kane9 to do the verbal abuse and attack for you. There is NO scientifically acceptable evidence that spanking causes aggression in Children. There is considerable evidence that a lack of spanking can produce sociopathy in children. Do you know that Kane is a "never-spanked" boy? Did you notice, Ken, that Doan didn't agree with you? Didn't contribute anything to the issue? Should I fly off the handle at him? I can't think why. He supports you. Call him names? That's entirely up to you who you call names. Seems you've chosen me. Belittle him? You don't belittle people? Find somebody that says bad things about him and proclaim that I agree 100% with what his detractors claim about him? No Kane - I AM NOT YOU! Where did I agree 100% with your detractors? I agree with them when I look at your postings, not with their claims. I take their claims with a grain of salt. I've said so. My status or yours as having been spanked or not is not relevant to the issue if we are going to discuss facts....and FACTS seem to be what you claim you have. A lack of discipline as a child can and usually does explain abusive behavior in adults. A lack of personally integrated self control, by way of developing a conscience, usually does explain abusive behavior in adults. Now which is it for you, Ken? Still now "scientific" proof from Kane! ;-) Doan -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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