Why Did "Aids Baby" Eliza Jane Really Die?

JanD wrote:
"Peter Bowditch" wrote in message
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"Peter Moran" pmoranATbordernet.com.au wrote:


"Mark Probert" wrote in message
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john wrote:

http://breakfornews.com/my/modules.p...icle&sid= 259

Christine Maggiore and her husband, Robin Scovill, are challenging the
Los Angeles County Coroner's finding that their three-year-old daughter
Eliza Jane Scovill died from Aids-related pneumonia.

We interview pathologist Dr. Mohammed al-Bayati who has just authored a
report revealing that the child died of anaphylactic reaction to a
prescribed antibiotic, and we speak also Dr. Andrew Maniotis of the
University Illinois at Chicago.

For excellent analysis of al-Bayati's "work" see:

http://tinyurl.com/dam9v

especially this comment by a real pathologist:

A Google search reveals that he is a "pathologist-for-hire", figuring in
many court cases where "alternative" science can get people off. He was
involved in the Yurko case.

Peter Moran


Perhaps you should make it clear, Peter, that you are talking about
al-Bayati, not the person referred to by the immediately-preceding
words "real pathologist".


Perhaps he could tell us just *where* this search revealed the above?

Dr. Moran stated that he used Google. If you do a Google search, and
read several of the articles, you will see that al-Bayati is a hired
gun. You can read more about his *business* he

http://www.toxi-health.com/

It was al-Bayati who came up with the idea that the baby slaughtered
by Alan Yurko had really been killed by the doctor in the ER.

It was YOU who uses the word *slaughtered*, and YOU and others who
have continued to judge.

For good reason. Yurko is a killer.

There were literally hundreds of health-care professionals who have made
judgements otherwise.

Hundreds? I did a search and did not see hundreds. Care to list them?

The toxicological causes of baby Yurko's death was vaccine-and-medication
induced, an overload of drugs and antibiotics.
The child have been given high doses of sodium bicarbonate and heparin,
which cause cardiac arrest and internal bleeding and produce symptoms
similar to SBS.

Pure bull****.

JanD wrote:
"Mark Probert" wrote in message
...

Mark Probert wrote:

john wrote:


http://breakfornews.com/my/modules.p...icle&sid= 259

Christine Maggiore and her husband, Robin Scovill, are challenging the
Los Angeles County Coroner's finding that their three-year-old daughter
Eliza Jane Scovill died from Aids-related pneumonia.

We interview pathologist Dr. Mohammed al-Bayati who has just authored a
report revealing that the child died of anaphylactic reaction to a
prescribed antibiotic, and we speak also Dr. Andrew Maniotis of the
University Illinois at Chicago.


For excellent analysis of al-Bayati's "work" see:

http://tinyurl.com/dam9v

especially this comment by a real pathologist:


The above by LIAR, Orac!

Just for clarification, I checked on Dr. William Bligh-Glover and found
that he is a forensic pathologist and deputy coroner in Ohio. He has
testified in murder cases.

That is certainly more qualifying to render an opinion than a toxicologist
who rents himself out by the hour.


Posted by a disbarred attorney.

Who has EARNED NO respect.

What's more it is a LIE.

A personal attack on me does not disprove the fact that Dr. Bligh-Glover
is a *forensic pathologist* and *deputy coroner* in Ohio, and, is
therefor far more qualified to render an opinion.

OTOH. Dr. William Bligh-Glover EARNED his respect.

Mark Probert earned none, that is the reason, for his sicko witch hunts.

http://abacus.bates.edu/career/alumn...ews/bligh.html

http://www.case.edu/med/anatomy/Blig...f_Respect.html

Measure of Respect
William Bligh-Glover, MD

http://www.case.edu/med/anatomy/Blig..._Timeline.html

William Bligh-Glover, MD, Chairman, Content Committee

http://134.181.128.3/career/search/scires.html

Alumni Interviews. Dr. William Bligh-Glover
'90 Research Pathologist, University Hospitals of Cleveland. ...

Yes, Dr. Glover is well deservant of respect. I suspect that Jan did not
read what she posted, as all the links support my position.

I read this post and it was the first time I've heard about Dr.
Al-Bayati. I find it interesting that no-one could find an actual
pathologist (that is an MD who has taken specialty training in the
discipline of pathology) to make the claim that Eliza Jane died of
something other than AIDS. She had an AIDS-defining illness, and I don't
know of any competent pathologist (and I'm one myself) who wouldn't have
made that diagnosis. Dr. Al-Bayati may teach and work in the department
of pathology, but he's not qualified (or trained) to make those
diagnoses.

Alas, I think the denialists are working from a predetermined, irrational
viewpoint and evidence is not going to change this. But you gotta keep
telling the truth. Keep it up.

JanD wrote:
"Robert" wrote in message
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"Mark Probert" wrote in message
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Mark Probert wrote:

john wrote:


http://breakfornews.com/my/modules.p...icle&sid= 259


Christine Maggiore and her husband, Robin Scovill, are challenging the
Los Angeles County Coroner's finding that their three-year-old
daughter Eliza Jane Scovill died from Aids-related pneumonia.

We interview pathologist Dr. Mohammed al-Bayati who has just authored
a report revealing that the child died of anaphylactic reaction to a
prescribed antibiotic, and we speak also Dr. Andrew Maniotis of the
University Illinois at Chicago.


For excellent analysis of al-Bayati's "work" see:

http://tinyurl.com/dam9v

especially this comment by a real pathologist:

Just for clarification, I checked on Dr. William Bligh-Glover and found
that he is a forensic pathologist and deputy coroner in Ohio. He has
testified in murder cases.

That is certainly more qualifying to render an opinion than a
toxicologist who rents himself out by the hour.


I read this post and it was the first time I've heard about Dr.
Al-Bayati. I find it interesting that no-one could find an actual
pathologist (that is an MD who has taken specialty training in the
discipline of pathology) to make the claim that Eliza Jane died of
something other than AIDS. She had an AIDS-defining illness, and I
don't
know of any competent pathologist (and I'm one myself) who wouldn't
have
made that diagnosis. Dr. Al-Bayati may teach and work in the department
of pathology, but he's not qualified (or trained) to make those

diagnoses.

Alas, I think the denialists are working from a predetermined,
irrational viewpoint and evidence is not going to change this. But you
gotta keep telling the truth. Keep it up.

Pathologists are usually board certified in Clinical Pathology and
Anatomical Pathology.
Just because somebody works in Clinical Pathology such as I do as a
Clinical
Lab Scientist does not make me a pathologist.
Anybody can work for the Department of Pathology or be a professor in the
Department of Pathology without being a pathologist.
A pathologist is a an MD with board certification in Pathology.
PhD's alone are not pathologists or medical doctors.
Clinical Toxicologists are not experts in the immune response nor in
infectious disease.


Nevertheless, Dr. Mohammed Al-Bayati is a respected pathologist (PhD) and a
dual board
certified toxicologist with over twenty-five years experience and over forty
articles published in the scientific and medical literature.

Which do not demonstrate that he has been involved in training or
research that would come close to being the equivalent of a forensic
pathologist and deputy coronor.

JanD wrote:
"HCN" wrote in message
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"john" wrote in message
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http://breakfornews.com/my/modules.p...icle&sid= 259

Christine Maggiore and her husband, Robin Scovill, are challenging the
Los
Angeles County Coroner's finding that their three-year-old daughter Eliza
Jane Scovill died from Aids-related pneumonia.

We interview pathologist Dr. Mohammed al-Bayati

WRONG... he is not a medical pathologist:
http://catallarchy.net/blog/wp-conte...t_on_Eliza.pdf




Nicholas J Bennett MB/Ph.D claims to have a medical degree, I don't see MD
behind his name.

When one trains in the UK or Australia, one is an MB. Peter Moran and/or
Peter Bowditch explained that many years ago.

he must be in hiding, a search turns up VERY little.

What's more, the fact that HCN, posted the pdf, most likely means this
Nicholas J Bennett most likely is a *paid off* witch hunter.

Of course Jan will say that. The fact that al-Bayati has a business
which does that is utterly meaningless to her.

A search under
his name with the MB/Ph.D turns up very little. WHY would any doctor, use MB
and NOT MD behind his name?

Because he is being accurate!

Read the first two pages of the PDF file of his rebuttal of al-Bayati
and see just who he is.



Comments on Al-Bayati Report from Dr. Harold E. Buttram, MD, FAAEM
One expert to comment is Dr. Harold E. Buttram, MD, FAAEM (Fellow of the
American Academy of Emergency Medicine). He reviewed Al-Bayati's report and
wrote this letter in response:

October 30th 2005
For the past several years I have had the privilege of becoming
familiar with the work of Dr. Mohammed Ali Al-Bayati through mutually shared
cases involving alleged parental child abuse in the form of shaken baby
syndrome (SBS). In these cases, each of us wrote medical reports defending
parents whom we believed were falsely accused.

Regarding my own background, in the past six years I have written
approximately 80 medical reports in defense of parents whom I believed to
have been falsely accused of violent physical child abuse, largely involving
charges of SBS. With few exceptions in these cases, I have observed a
troubling pattern of abandonment of the usual thoroughness one finds in
medical centers once suspicions of SBS were raised. In most cases that I
have reviewed, in my opinion, there have been varying degrees of negligence
in working through differential diagnoses, sometimes missing the most
obvious of alternate non-traumatic causes.

In the present case of the autopsy report on Eliza Jane Scovill, in my
opinion, there is a similar pattern; that is, diagnostic assumptions have
been made based on superficial evaluation with little if any attempt to
investigate other possible causes of the child's three-week illness
culminating in death.

Regarding Dr. Al-Bayati, I consider him to be a master craftsman in a
broad field of medical expertise. His workups are exhaustive and meticulous,
yet plainly written so as to be accessible to reasonably educated
non-medical people. He makes no statements or claims that he does not
document in the medical literature.

In the case of Eliza Jane Scovill, I first reviewed the autopsy
report, which did in fact give rise to personal concerns and doubts.
However, after going through Dr. Al-Bayati's report point-by-point, he put
all doubts to rest. There is no question in my mind that his report
accurately describes the true causes in the death of Eliza Jane Scovill.

Harold E Buttram, MD, FAAEM
Quakertown, PA, USA


Comments from Dr. Andrew Maniotis
Dr. Maniotis is a Professor of Pathology and Program Director in the Cell
and Developmental Biology of Cancer at the University of Illinois at
Chicago.

November 21st 2005
Dear Ms. Maggio

I read Dr. Al-Bayati's report this weekend with a magnifying lens. I
analyze many similar reports in the course of a single week, as I am a
Professor of Pathology at UIC in the heart of Chicago, at one of the nation's
largest medical schools.

What I can say about the quality of the report - its thoroughness,
insights, the examples chosen to present as differential diagnosis - is that
it is perhaps one of the most thorough, if not the most thorough, and
well-studied investigations I have ever seen. If only more pathologists
could study Dr. Al-Bayati's logical and scientific methodology more
carefully, there would be little need for inquests, malpractice, fraud, and
certainly less medical error in autopsies, diagnosis, treatment, or critical
care practices.

I would only emphasize something in the report that Dr. Al-Bayati
developed quite adequately himself from a technical standpoint by his
stating and showing how the independent neuroconsultant didn't perform the
proper controls for the p24 staining of the microglia and neurons. It should
not escape the attention of the reader, especially those readers not
familiar with the technicalities of the language of these kinds of reports,
that the detection of the p24 antigen is not in any way diagnostic of the
presence of HIV, or any other virus or pathogenic state that I am aware of.
Positive staining for p24 in this case, as in all cases in the published
literature, is without scientific basis since positive staining can be found
also in normal tissues and contexts, as Dr. Al-Bayati suggests by pointing
out that the proper p24 controls were not performed in the LA coroner's
report.

I wish you the very best, and hope with all of my being that this
horrible state affairs that you and your family have been subjected to, due
to the incompetent and mindless analysis done by the original LA coroner and
their consultant, ends as soon as possible.

I state unequivocally that Dr. Al-Bayati's analysis and report
represent the state of the art in terms of methodology, completeness, and
accuracy, and should be presented in the textbooks as models of how to do a
differential diagnosis.

Andrew Maniotis, PhD.
Program Director in the Cell and Developmental Biology of Cancer,
3370 Molecular Biology Research Building,
Department of Pathology, Anatomy and Cell Biology, and Bioengineering,
1819 West Polk Street, Room 446, (MC 847)
University of Illinois at Chicago, Chicago, IL 60612, USA




who has just authored a

report revealing that the child died of anaphylactic reaction to a
prescribed antibiotic, and we speak also Dr. Andrew Maniotis of the
University Illinois at Chicago.

Neither of whom are certified in forensice pathology.

john wrote:
"Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" wrote in message
Yeah, yeah. Pretty much Duesberg zombism. Who are they going to blame
for this, if not antibiotics and the medical profession? It would have
to be themselves.

Yeah, for trusting allopathic medicine


But that's the point. They don't trust allopathic medicine. So they
should stick to their guns, and not see doctors when they become ill.
Which Maggiore is bound to, eventually.

But you know what will happen instead. Just as in this case, she'll get
pneumcystis pneumonia and show up at the hospital, blue and asking for
help. THEN her husband will blame ANY antibiotic she is given, for why
she doesn't get better, or dies.

Better that these people had the courage of their convictions and
stayed the hell home. Heath nuts who blame medicine for disease NEED to
stay home, so they can feel properly stupid, dying of nothing. Instead
they wus-out, come to the medical profession in extremis, and finally
blame the treatment. That's the entire story of AIDS deniers. They all
die, but they all pretend it's the doctors that are to blame.

SBH

Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com wrote:
john wrote:

"Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" wrote in message

Yeah, yeah. Pretty much Duesberg zombism. Who are they going to blame
for this, if not antibiotics and the medical profession? It would have
to be themselves.

Yeah, for trusting allopathic medicine



But that's the point. They don't trust allopathic medicine. So they
should stick to their guns, and not see doctors when they become ill.
Which Maggiore is bound to, eventually.

But you know what will happen instead. Just as in this case, she'll get
pneumcystis pneumonia and show up at the hospital, blue and asking for
help. THEN her husband will blame ANY antibiotic she is given, for why
she doesn't get better, or dies.

Better that these people had the courage of their convictions and
stayed the hell home. Heath nuts who blame medicine for disease NEED to
stay home, so they can feel properly stupid, dying of nothing. Instead
they wus-out, come to the medical profession in extremis, and finally
blame the treatment. That's the entire story of AIDS deniers. They all
die, but they all pretend it's the doctors that are to blame.

Maggiore and her husband are precisely what you describe. In a way, I
hope that we do see the bird flu jump species and a good vaccine is
developed for it. Then, those anti-vacs will stick to their guns and not
get vaccinations, and prove Darwin is correct.

"Peter Bowditch" wrote in message
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"JanD" wrote:


"Peter Bowditch" wrote in message
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"Peter Moran" pmoranATbordernet.com.au wrote:


"Mark Probert" wrote in message
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john wrote:
http://breakfornews.com/my/modules.p...icle&sid= 259

Christine Maggiore and her husband, Robin Scovill, are challenging
the
Los Angeles County Coroner's finding that their three-year-old
daughter
Eliza Jane Scovill died from Aids-related pneumonia.

We interview pathologist Dr. Mohammed al-Bayati who has just authored
a
report revealing that the child died of anaphylactic reaction to a
prescribed antibiotic, and we speak also Dr. Andrew Maniotis of the
University Illinois at Chicago.

For excellent analysis of al-Bayati's "work" see:

http://tinyurl.com/dam9v

especially this comment by a real pathologist:

A Google search reveals that he is a "pathologist-for-hire", figuring
in
many court cases where "alternative" science can get people off. He was
involved in the Yurko case.

Peter Moran


Perhaps you should make it clear, Peter, that you are talking about
al-Bayati, not the person referred to by the immediately-preceding
words "real pathologist".

Perhaps he could tell us just *where* this search revealed the above?

It was al-Bayati who came up with the idea that the baby slaughtered
by Alan Yurko had really been killed by the doctor in the ER.

It was YOU who uses the word *slaughtered*, and YOU and others who
have continued to judge.

It was a court in Florida which recorded a verdict of manslaughter.
Except this time it was baby slaughter.

It was YOU who uses the word *slaughtered*, and YOU and others who have
continued to judge

There were literally hundreds of health-care professionals who have made
judgements otherwise.

There are mad people and people with agendas in every walk of life.

Like Peter Bowditch and his LYING websites.

Why is it that these "health-care professionals" can be believed but
others can't?

Vaccination LIARS stick together, just like the *gang* members do here.

The toxicological causes of baby Yurko's death was vaccine-and-medication
induced, an overload of drugs and antibiotics.
The child have been given high doses of sodium bicarbonate and heparin,
which cause cardiac arrest and internal bleeding and produce symptoms
similar to SBS.

[snip stupid tactics, similar to there is no such thing as no such thing
mercury amalagam, ZZzz]

[snip the repeated as well]

--
Peter Bowditch

"Peter Bowditch" wrote

[snip all diversions, off topic]

"JanD" wrote:


"Peter Bowditch" wrote in message
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"JanD" wrote:


"HCN" wrote in message
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"john" wrote in message
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http://breakfornews.com/my/modules.p...icle&sid= 259

Christine Maggiore and her husband, Robin Scovill, are challenging
the
Los
Angeles County Coroner's finding that their three-year-old daughter
Eliza
Jane Scovill died from Aids-related pneumonia.

We interview pathologist Dr. Mohammed al-Bayati

WRONG... he is not a medical pathologist:
http://catallarchy.net/blog/wp-conte...t_on_Eliza.pdf



Nicholas J Bennett MB/Ph.D claims to have a medical degree, I don't see
MD
behind his name.

Because, and I will say this v e r y s l o w l y, he got his medical
degree in Britain. See where it says "MB"? That means "Bachelor of
Medicine".



he must be in hiding, a search turns up VERY little.

What's more, the fact that HCN, posted the pdf, most likely means this
Nicholas J Bennett most likely is a *paid off* witch hunter. A search
under
his name with the MB/Ph.D turns up very little. WHY would any doctor,
use
MB
and NOT MD behind his name?

--
Peter Bowditch

JanD wrote:
"Peter Bowditch" wrote

[snip all diversions, off topic]

Incredible. Jan brings up Burzynski, and then claims that Peter's reply
is off-topic. Presumably because she can't deny that Burzynski lied
about having a PhD.

It's almost like she enjoys looking stupid and evasive.



"JanD" wrote:


"Peter Bowditch" wrote in message
. ..
"JanD" wrote:


"HCN" wrote in message
...

"john" wrote in message
...

http://breakfornews.com/my/modules.p...icle&sid= 259

Christine Maggiore and her husband, Robin Scovill, are challenging
the
Los
Angeles County Coroner's finding that their three-year-old daughter
Eliza
Jane Scovill died from Aids-related pneumonia.

We interview pathologist Dr. Mohammed al-Bayati

WRONG... he is not a medical pathologist:
http://catallarchy.net/blog/wp-conte...t_on_Eliza.pdf



Nicholas J Bennett MB/Ph.D claims to have a medical degree, I don't see
MD
behind his name.

Because, and I will say this v e r y s l o w l y, he got his medical
degree in Britain. See where it says "MB"? That means "Bachelor of
Medicine".



he must be in hiding, a search turns up VERY little.

What's more, the fact that HCN, posted the pdf, most likely means this
Nicholas J Bennett most likely is a *paid off* witch hunter. A search
under
his name with the MB/Ph.D turns up very little. WHY would any doctor,
use
MB
and NOT MD behind his name?

--
Peter Bowditch

"Robert" wrote in message
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"JanD" wrote in message
news:f8Skf.597397$x96.306475@attbi_s72...
You snipped his background, Robert.

Your *organized medicine* brain washing is showing.

Robert,

In ALL of this projects the United Stated considered him to be both a
toxicologist AND a PATHOLOGIST!

a.. Project Title: Quantitative Evaluation of Serum Chemistry, Hematology
and Pathological Parameters in Dog, Sheep, and Pig Exposed To Whole Body
Irradiation. Agency: AMGEN Pharmaceutical Inc. Thousand Oaks, CA 91320.
Duration: 30 months (1993-1995); Amount: $254,778; Functions: PI,
toxicologist, and pathologist.
b.. Project Title: Improved Models of Risk for Exposure to Organic
Toxicant and Carcinogens. Agency: United States Environmental Protection
Agency. Duration: 48 months (1990-1995); Amount: $980,000; Functions: Co-PI,
toxicologist, and pathologist.
c.. Project Title: Improved Models of Risk for Exposure to Organic
Toxicant. Agency: United States Environmental Protection Agency; Duration:
36 months (1987-1990); Amount: $240,000; Functions: Co-PI, toxicologist, and
pathologist.
d.. Project Title: Dermal Absorption of Methanol and Gasoline/Methanol
Mixtures. Agency: California Air Resources Board. Duration: 18 months
(7/90-12/91); Amount: $84,000; Functions: Co-PI, toxicologist, and
pathologist.
e.. Project Title: Toxicity of the Inhaled Dimethylselenide in Adult Rat.
Agency: University of California, Riverside. Duration: 12 months
(07/87-07/88); Amount: $70,000; Functions: Co-PI, toxicologist, and
pathologist.
f.. Project Title: Inhalation Uptake of Xenobiotic Vapors in People.
Agency: California Air Resources Board; Contract No. A5-155-33. Duration: 18
months (1986-1987); Amount: $150,000; Functions: Investigator, toxicologist,
and pathologist.
g.. Project Title: Effects of Airborne Particulate Matter. Agency:
California Air Resources Board; Contract No. A4-133-33. Duration: 24 months
(1985-1987); Amount: $250,000; Functions: Investigator, toxicologist, and
pathologist.
h.. Project Title: Gastrointestinal Tract Uptake of Benzene in Drinking
Water, and Consequent Tissue and Fetal Retention. Agency: Toxic Substance
Research and Teaching Program, University of California, Davis. Function: 12
months (1986-1987); Amount: $50,000; Functions: Co-PI, toxicologist, and
pathologist.
i.. Project Title: Inhalation Uptake of Xenobiotic Vapors at Trace Levels.
Agency: California Air Resources Board; Contract No. A3-132-33. Duration: 18
months (1984-1986); Amount: $140,000; Functions: Investigator, toxicologist,
and pathologist.
j.. Project Title: Toxicity and Toxicokinetics of Vanadium in Rodents.
Agency: United States Department of Energy. Duration: 72 months (1981-1987);
Functions: Co-PI, toxicologist, and pathologist.
k.. Project Title: Studies of Biological Behavior of Pu-241 and Am-241 in
Rat, Dog, and Primate. Agency: United States Department of Energy. Duration:
72 months (1980-1986); Functions: Investigator, toxicologist, and
pathologist.
l.. Project Title: Respiratory Tract Deposition of Inhaled Aerosols in
Small Rodents. Agency: United States Environmental Protection Agency.
Duration: 60 months (1980-1985); Amount: $500,000; Functions: Investigator,
toxicologist, and pathologist.
Dr. Al-Bayati holds U.S. Patent number 5,686,237 dated November 11, 1997 for
Use of biomarkers in saliva to evaluate the toxicity of agents and the
functions of tissues in both biomedical and environmental applications.





So are you seeking opinions from those that are not *organized medicine*?
Why present his *organized medical* credentials?
He has a Masters in Vet science and a PhD in toxicology right?


Regarding my own background, in the past six years I have written
approximately 80 medical reports in defense of parents whom I believed to
have been falsely accused of violent physical child abuse, largely
involving
charges of SBS. With few exceptions in these cases, I have observed a
troubling pattern of abandonment of the usual thoroughness one finds in
medical centers once suspicions of SBS were raised. In most cases that I
have reviewed, in my opinion, there have been varying degrees of
negligence
in working through differential diagnoses, sometimes missing the most
obvious of alternate non-traumatic causes.

After autopsy? What does SBS have to do with that case of pneumonia?


In the present case of the autopsy report on Eliza Jane Scovill, in
my

It has nothing to do with SBS.

opinion, there is a similar pattern; that is, diagnostic assumptions have
been made based on superficial evaluation with little if any attempt to
investigate other possible causes of the child's three-week illness
culminating in death.

An autopsy is superficial?


Regarding Dr. Al-Bayati, I consider him to be a master craftsman in
a
broad field of medical expertise.

There is no such thing as a master of a broad field of medical expertise.
What in the world does that mean?
There is no such thing as a general expert. Expertise is limiting by
nature.

His workups are exhaustive and meticulous,
yet plainly written so as to be accessible to reasonably educated
non-medical people. He makes no statements or claims that he does not
document in the medical literature.

He has no hands on experience or expertise as far as I can tell. What does
he do daily? Toxicology?

In the case of Eliza Jane Scovill, I first reviewed the autopsy
report, which did in fact give rise to personal concerns and doubts.
However, after going through Dr. Al-Bayati's report point-by-point, he
put
all doubts to rest. There is no question in my mind that his report
accurately describes the true causes in the death of Eliza Jane Scovill.

Harold E Buttram, MD, FAAEM
Quakertown, PA, USA

If he reviewed it then why isn't it he who is called? I think the answer
is
obvious why that isn't the case.


Comments from Dr. Andrew Maniotis
Dr. Maniotis is a Professor of Pathology and Program Director in the Cell
and Developmental Biology of Cancer at the University of Illinois at
Chicago.

November 21st 2005

This is a PhD who works for the Department of Pathology and is a Professor
of Pathology but is not a pathologist who is an MD and determines cause of
death. These are specialized PhD's who do research within a narrow branch
of
research.
They have no medical training and no clinical or anatomical pathology
training.
They can not be medical directors of any clinical laboratory by federal or
state law.
They are great for very specific topics that pertain to their area of
study.
You have to ask him if he considers himself a pathologist.