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Bill for Banning Amalgam Reintroduced
"Mark Probert" wrote in message news:HCPrh.15226$32.12645@trndny09... jill999999 wrote: Peter Bowditch wrote: "jill999999" wrote: Jan Drew wrote: http://www.talkinternational.com Bill for Banning Amalgam Reintroduced A bill for banning amalgam dental fillings has been (re)introduced to the house by Congresswoman Diane Watson. The bill is HR 4011. Congresswoman Watson's staff has encouraged us to get behind the bill and has asked the International Academy of Oral Medicine and Toxicology to have its members contact their local representatives. We also strongly encourage the public to also do so. Please let them hear your voice! Senators Frist M.D. and Hastert were instumental in the recent passage of a bill preventing people from suing the manufacturers of vaccines preserved with mercury .Many scientists believe there is a causal link between mercury in vaccines and childhood autism Actually, no real scientists believe this, because there is a large volume of evidence to show that it is not true. There are, however, some pretend scientists who like to say so because it helps them to sell stuff and make money giving speeches. and it seems to me that if there was no basis for such a claim legislators would'nt bother passing such a bill. So you believe that the existence of laws against frivolous defamation suits is evidence that the defamation is justified? The laws against people attempting to defraud and blackmail vaccine manufacturers were simply a way of preventing the courts from being clogged with people who are just after money for no reason other than they want it. In general ,the courts determine whether a case has merit. How does one know whether a products liability,medical malpractice or any other case has merit unless the parties are able to argue their side and present scientific experts in court? Agreed. Subject the "experts" to a Daubert hearing and let those who pass muster testify. http://groups.google.com/group/misc....811a361d97136c Feb 21 2006 Do tell us why you have this insane need to divert? I am a lawyer and know that most legislators (also mostly lawyers) have little or no scientific background . However, many AltNuts rely on politicians to prove medical issues. They are in no way qualified to decide whether suits for damages arising from mercury have merit. That is the purpose of a Daubert hearing and trial. http://groups.google.com/group/misc....811a361d97136c Feb 21 2006 Do tell us why you have this insane need to divert? The purpose of the bill was to protect corporations that contribute money. Actually, the purpose of the bill was to protect companies from patently absurd lawsuits which can clog up the federal courts ever more than they already are. Got proof? A url will do, not your saying it. Personally, I would prefer to allow all suits, and, for those determined to be frivolous, which is not the same as to have lost, the litigant be assessed hefty court costs and legal fees. In the Matter of Mark Probert (Admitted as Mark S. Probert), a Suspended Attorney, Respondent. Grievance Committee for the Tenth Judicial District, Petitioner. 92-02731 SUPREME COURT OF NEW YORK, APPELLATE DIVISION, SECOND DEPARTMENT 183 A.D.2d 282; 590 N.Y.S.2d 747 November 9, 1992, Decided PRIOR HISTORY: [***1] Disciplinary proceedings instituted by the Grievance Committee for the Tenth Judicial District. Respondent was admitted to the Bar on February 15, 1978, at a term of the Appellate Division of the Supreme Court in the Second Judicial Department, under the name Mark S. Probert. DISPOSITION: Ordered that the petitioner's motion to impose discipline upon the respondent based upon his failure to appear or answer is granted; and it is further, HEADNOTES: Attorney and Client - Disciplinary Proceedings Respondent attorney, who is charged with 22 counts of failing to cooperate with investigations of alleged misconduct by the Grievance Committee, and who has failed to answer or appear, is disbarred. COUNSEL: Frank A. Finnerty, Jr., Westbury (Muriel L. Gennosa of counsel), for petitioner. JUDGES: Mangano, P. J., Thompson, Bracken, Sullivan and Harwood, JJ., concur. Ordered that the petitioner's motion to impose discipline upon the respondent based upon his failure to appear or answer is granted; and it is further, Ordered that pursuant to Judiciary Law § 90, effective immediately, the respondent, Mark Probert, is disbarred and his name is stricken from the roll of attorneys and counselors-at-law; and it is further, Ordered that the respondent shall continue to comply with this Court's rules governing the conduct of disbarred, suspended and resigned attorneys (22 NYCRR 691.10); and it is further, Ordered that pursuant to Judiciary [***2] Law § 90, the respondent, Mark Probert, is commanded to continue to desist and refrain (1) from practicing law in any form, either as principal or as agent, clerk or employee of another, (2) from appearing as an attorney or counselor-at-law before any court, Judge, Justice, board, commission or other public authority, (3) from giving to another an opinion as to the law or its application or any advice in relation thereto, and (4) from holding himself out in any way as an attorney and counselor-at-law. OPINIONBY: Per Curiam. OPINION: [*282] [**747] By decision and order of this Court dated September 29, 1989, the respondent was suspended from the practice of law until the further order of this Court based upon his failure to cooperate with the Grievance Committee. By further order of this Court dated June 4, 1992, the Grievance Committee was authorized to institute and prosecute a disciplinary proceeding [*283] against the respondent and the Honorable Moses M. Weinstein was appointed as Special Referee. [**748] A notice of petition and petition was personally served upon the respondent on July 2, 1992. No answer was forthcoming. The petitioner now moves to hold the [***3] respondent in default. The motion was personally served upon the respondent on August 14, 1992. The respondent has failed to submit any papers in response to the default motion. The charges involve 22 counts of the respondent's failure to cooperate with the Grievance Committee in its investigations into complaints of professional misconduct. The charges, if established, would require the imposition of a disciplinary sanction against the respondent. Since the respondent has chosen not to appear or answer in these proceedings, the charges must be deemed established. The petitioner's motion to hold the respondent in default and impose discipline is, therefore, granted. Accordingly, the respondent is disbarred and his name is stricken from the roll of attorneys and counselors-at-law, effective immediately Source: NY UNIFIED COURT SYSTEM, ATTORNEY REGIST. UNIT Currency Status: ARCHIVE RECORD NAME & PROFESSIONAL INFORMATION Name: MARK PROBERT Date Of Birth: 11/XX/1946 Gender: MALE Address: 1698 WEBSTER AVE MERRICK, NY 11566 County: NASSAU Phone: 516-968-5572 EMPLOYER INFORMATION Employer: MARK S PROBERT ESQ Organization: PERSON LICENSING INFORMATION Licensing Agency: NY STATE OFFICE OF COURT ADMINISTRATION License/Certification Type: ATTORNEY License Number: 1253889 Issue Date: 00/00/1978 License Status: DISBARRED License State: NY From: Mark Probert - view profile Date: Sun, Feb 11 2001 4:17 pm Email: Mark Probert Groups: k12.chat.teacher Noah has had one since 11/26/96 (my birthday). |
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Bill for Banning Amalgam Reintroduced
Clinton wrote: David Wright wrote: In article .com, jill999999 wrote: Mark Probert wrote: David Wright wrote: In article .com, jill999999 wrote: jill999999 wrote: Mark Probert wrote: jill999999 wrote: Another reason amalgam fillings fracture teeth is that as they age thecrystal structure brea ks down ,causing an increase in volume despite a decrease in weight from the huge amt of hg vaporizing off. Care to document that? I have lots of fractured teeth. None of my teeth without fillings are fractured.Almost everyone with amalgam has fractured teeth. I have amalgam fillings and no fractured teeth. By the way ,Igot well over 650 on the math SAT. I scored in the top one % of the population. Whoopee. I got an 800. Of my 720 classmates, 91 got an 800. The lowest score was just under 700 If you took the SAT before 1995,less than one percent got 700 in math .Less than one percent got a perfect 1600 so you are lying again. Nobody mentioned a perfect 1600. Are you living in the same reality as the rest of the readership? ARe you? For reference the claimed average Math SAT scores of the quackwatch team is now higher than that of the Freshman class of MIT (on the old SAT) and way above the incoming class of Harvard. The SATs of quackwatch are irrelevant. How much are they being paid for their unobjective opinions? How could anyone with double 400s on the SAT not see that amalgam exposes one to toxic levels of hg since people with many fillings lose more than 150 microgms/day in urine and feces whereas people with no amalgam fillings ,who never had any, lose 2-10 microgms/day.These amounts don't include hg that is stored in the brain and other organs or hg lost in sweat.10 microgms/day from all sources is a toxic level.Do the quackwatch people believe that people with amalgam fillings eat more fish or break more thermometers that people with no fillings. Statistically, the distribution claimed could occur in a magnet type school if everyone in the school was in the top 1% of the population. But what relevance would that have to most schools where an 800 would occur far less than 1 in 100 which would roughly correspond to 700, |
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Bill for Banning Amalgam Reintroduced
Clinton wrote: David Wright wrote: In article .com, jill999999 wrote: Mark Probert wrote: David Wright wrote: In article .com, jill999999 wrote: jill999999 wrote: Mark Probert wrote: jill999999 wrote: Another reason amalgam fillings fracture teeth is that as they age thecrystal structure brea ks down ,causing an increase in volume despite a decrease in weight from the huge amt of hg vaporizing off. Care to document that? I have lots of fractured teeth. None of my teeth without fillings are fractured.Almost everyone with amalgam has fractured teeth. I have amalgam fillings and no fractured teeth. By the way ,Igot well over 650 on the math SAT. I scored in the top one % of the population. Whoopee. I got an 800. Of my 720 classmates, 91 got an 800. The lowest score was just under 700 If you took the SAT before 1995,less than one percent got 700 in math .Less than one percent got a perfect 1600 so you are lying again. Nobody mentioned a perfect 1600. Are you living in the same reality as the rest of the readership? ARe you? For reference the claimed average Math SAT scores of the quackwatch team is now higher than that of the Freshman class of MIT (on the old SAT) and way above the incoming class of Harvard. Was the intellectual giant who claimed that hg vapor from amalgam was'nt toxic because people exhale affiliated with quackwatch? Exhalation did'nt work well at Auschwitz.Cyanide displaces o2 on hemoglobin so that when you breathe you dont get oxygen . Like cyanide hg displaces O2 on hemoglobin . This is why people with amalgam feel lightheaded and spacey. Statistically, the distribution claimed could occur in a magnet type school if everyone in the school was in the top 1% of the population. But what relevance would that have to most schools where an 800 would occur far less than 1 in 100 which would roughly correspond to 700, |
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Bill for Banning Amalgam Reintroduced
In article . com,
jill999999 wrote: Clinton wrote: David Wright wrote: In article .com, jill999999 wrote: Mark Probert wrote: David Wright wrote: In article .com, jill999999 wrote: jill999999 wrote: Mark Probert wrote: jill999999 wrote: Another reason amalgam fillings fracture teeth is that as they age thecrystal structure brea ks down ,causing an increase in volume despite a decrease in weight from the huge amt of hg vaporizing off. Care to document that? I have lots of fractured teeth. None of my teeth without fillings are fractured.Almost everyone with amalgam has fractured teeth. I have amalgam fillings and no fractured teeth. By the way ,Igot well over 650 on the math SAT. I scored in the top one % of the population. Whoopee. I got an 800. Of my 720 classmates, 91 got an 800. The lowest score was just under 700 If you took the SAT before 1995,less than one percent got 700 in math .Less than one percent got a perfect 1600 so you are lying again. Nobody mentioned a perfect 1600. Are you living in the same reality as the rest of the readership? ARe you? For reference the claimed average Math SAT scores of the quackwatch team is now higher than that of the Freshman class of MIT (on the old SAT) and way above the incoming class of Harvard. The SATs of quackwatch are irrelevant. How much are they being paid for their unobjective opinions? How could anyone with double 400s on the SAT not see that amalgam exposes one to toxic levels of hg since people with many fillings lose Nobody here claimed to have double 400s. Nobody claimed to have double 800s, either. You just made that up out of whole cloth. I think your problems are a lot more severe than just a few amalgam fillings. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If George Bush were my dad, I'd be drunk in public so often that James Baker would have me killed." -- Bill Maher on the Bush twins |
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Bill for Banning Amalgam Reintroduced
jill999999 wrote:
Clinton wrote: David Wright wrote: In article .com, jill999999 wrote: Mark Probert wrote: David Wright wrote: In article .com, jill999999 wrote: jill999999 wrote: Mark Probert wrote: jill999999 wrote: Another reason amalgam fillings fracture teeth is that as they age thecrystal structure brea ks down ,causing an increase in volume despite a decrease in weight from the huge amt of hg vaporizing off. Care to document that? I have lots of fractured teeth. None of my teeth without fillings are fractured.Almost everyone with amalgam has fractured teeth. I have amalgam fillings and no fractured teeth. By the way ,Igot well over 650 on the math SAT. I scored in the top one % of the population. Whoopee. I got an 800. Of my 720 classmates, 91 got an 800. The lowest score was just under 700 If you took the SAT before 1995,less than one percent got 700 in math .Less than one percent got a perfect 1600 so you are lying again. Nobody mentioned a perfect 1600. Are you living in the same reality as the rest of the readership? ARe you? For reference the claimed average Math SAT scores of the quackwatch team is now higher than that of the Freshman class of MIT (on the old SAT) and way above the incoming class of Harvard. The SATs of quackwatch are irrelevant. How much are they being paid for their unobjective opinions? A truly moronic statement. How could anyone with double 400s on the SAT Let's see...when I took the SATs in the 1960's double 400's meant that the person was not getting into college and had to look to a trade school, and hope that they were not 1A. not see that amalgam exposes one to toxic levels of hg since people with many fillings lose more than 150 microgms/day in urine and feces whereas people with no amalgam fillings ,who never had any, lose 2-10 microgms/day.These amounts don't include hg that is stored in the brain and other organs or hg lost in sweat.10 microgms/day from all sources is a toxic level.Do the quackwatch people believe that people with amalgam fillings eat more fish or break more thermometers that people with no fillings. Since you claim there is storage of mercury, and mercury is omnipresent in the environment, has there been a mass die-off of those who are so-called "poor excretors" like David Kirby mentions? The concentration of mercury has to eventually reach the fatal level. Oh, and the other point....can you cite chapter and verse that the excretions you mention compare to concentrations that would have a toxic effect, or, are you one of those who claim that dose does not make the poison? Statistically, the distribution claimed could occur in a magnet type school if everyone in the school was in the top 1% of the population. But what relevance would that have to most schools where an 800 would occur far less than 1 in 100 which would roughly correspond to 700, |
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Bill for Banning Amalgam Reintroduced
"Mark Probert" wrote in message news:tHJth.6429$yj7.6114@trndny08... jill999999 wrote: Clinton wrote: David Wright wrote: In article .com, jill999999 wrote: Mark Probert wrote: David Wright wrote: In article .com, jill999999 wrote: jill999999 wrote: Mark Probert wrote: jill999999 wrote: Another reason amalgam fillings fracture teeth is that as they age thecrystal structure brea ks down ,causing an increase in volume despite a decrease in weight from the huge amt of hg vaporizing off. Care to document that? I have lots of fractured teeth. None of my teeth without fillings are fractured.Almost everyone with amalgam has fractured teeth. I have amalgam fillings and no fractured teeth. By the way ,Igot well over 650 on the math SAT. I scored in the top one % of the population. Whoopee. I got an 800. Of my 720 classmates, 91 got an 800. The lowest score was just under 700 If you took the SAT before 1995,less than one percent got 700 in math .Less than one percent got a perfect 1600 so you are lying again. Nobody mentioned a perfect 1600. Are you living in the same reality as the rest of the readership? ARe you? For reference the claimed average Math SAT scores of the quackwatch team is now higher than that of the Freshman class of MIT (on the old SAT) and way above the incoming class of Harvard. The SATs of quackwatch are irrelevant. How much are they being paid for their unobjective opinions? A truly moronic statement. How could anyone with double 400s on the SAT Let's see...when I took the SATs in the 1960's double 400's meant that the person was not getting into college and had to look to a trade school, and hope that they were not 1A. See how Mark keeps changin his *anecdotes are bull*****. http://groups.google.com/group/misc....15df7fd9ea9204 Jun 1 2006 The Real t wrote: *I do live among the real world, and have friends who are dying from cancer. I have losses in my family from cancer.* Try placing it in context. http://groups.google.com/group/misc....browse_frm/thr... In context, we were discussing human events, and not trying to prove a scientific principle. http://groups.google.com/group/misc....f98eb79c10e562 Feb 22 2006 JanD wrote: Anecdotes are Bull****. Mark Probert. Anecdotes are bull**** to prove a medical claim. No question. However, when discussing personal experience, they are valid. http://groups.google.com/group/misc....616fe7354cb992 Feb 4 2006 You could get out there and meet some real live people. You could even find that often those anecdotes are worth more than the proof you cry for. Or you can continue along the way you are. Won't matter anyway, we all die sooner or later. trt 1) Your method of responding results in incorporating your response with my comments, thus making it difficult to ascertain who said what. 2) I do live among the real world, and have friends who are dying from cancer. I have losses in my family from cancer. Anecdotes are bull****. I use facts. http://groups.google.com/group/misc....a9d56d9?hl=en& Feb 5 2006 You could get out there and meet some real live people. You could even find that often those anecdotes are worth more than the proof you cry for. Or you can continue along the way you are. Won't matter anyway, we all die sooner or later. trt 1) Your method of responding results in incorporating your response with my comments, thus making it difficult to ascertain who said what. 2) I do live among the real world, and have friends who are dying from cancer. I have losses in my family from cancer. Anecdotes are bull****. I use facts. Anecdotes are limited FACTS and not necessarily conclusive. Anecdotes are bull**** and prove nothing. http://groups.google.com/group/misc....a9d56d9?hl=en& Feb 3 2006 True, I cannot. You may not have noticed that I said so in my post. But, not having sufficient proof for you is not proof that my words were not true. Hogwash. If any alternative met those criteria, the information would be readily available and you would post a few hundred links. I KNOW a person who was diagnosed, and refused to go along with the accepted treatment. That person is alive today, some 10 -12 years later. With no sign of a reoccurrence. It may surprise you , but most people who get well without a doctor, do not keep records. They just get on with their life. trt What would surprise me is that my question were answered with something other than an unverifiable anecdote. http://groups.google.com/group/misc....f98eb79c10e562 Feb 22 2006 JanD wrote: Anecdotes are Bull****. Mark Probert. Anecdotes are bull**** to prove a medical claim. No question. However, when discussing personal experience, they are valid. not see that amalgam exposes one to toxic levels of hg since people with many fillings lose more than 150 microgms/day in urine and feces whereas people with no amalgam fillings ,who never had any, lose 2-10 microgms/day.These amounts don't include hg that is stored in the brain and other organs or hg lost in sweat.10 microgms/day from all sources is a toxic level.Do the quackwatch people believe that people with amalgam fillings eat more fish or break more thermometers that people with no fillings. Since you claim there is storage of mercury, and mercury is omnipresent in the environment, has there been a mass die-off of those who are so-called "poor excretors" like David Kirby mentions? The concentration of mercury has to eventually reach the fatal level. Oh, and the other point....can you cite chapter and verse that the excretions you mention compare to concentrations that would have a toxic effect, or, are you one of those who claim that dose does not make the poison? Mark is just arguing. It has been posted many times that even *low* doeses cause health problems. Statistically, the distribution claimed could occur in a magnet type school if everyone in the school was in the top 1% of the population. But what relevance would that have to most schools where an 800 would occur far less than 1 in 100 which would roughly correspond to 700, |
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