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Old December 3rd 04, 11:57 AM
john
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World's leading independent autism expert, who was advisor to the film
Rainman, also the world's leading expert of nutritional treatments for
autism:

"When the link between the use of unsafe, mercury-laden vaccine and autism,
ADHD, asthma, allergies and diabetes becomes undeniable, mainstream medicine
will be sporting a huge, self-inflicted and well-deserved black eye. Then
will come the billion-dollar awards, by enraged juries, to the children and
their families. I can't wait."--Dr Rimland Ph.D.
http://www.whale.to/v/rimland2.html

Possibly the leading expert after Dr Rimland in the nutritional treatment of
autism:
"As a clinician, my current belief which guides my practice with these
children is that any child given the HepB vaccination at birth and
subsequent boosters along with DPT has received unacceptable levels of
neurotoxin in the form of the ethyl mercury in the thimerosal preservative
used in the vaccine. In any child with a genetic immune susceptibility
(probably about one in six) this sets off a series of events that injure the
brain-gut-immune system. By the time they are ready to receive the MMR
vaccination, their immune system is so impaired in a great number of these
children that the triple vaccine cannot be handled by the now dysfunctional
immune system and they begin their obvious descent into the autistic
spectrum disorder."---Jaquelyn McCandless, M.D
http://www.whale.to/m/candless.html

The ONLY study ever done (that I can find) comparing 100% non-vaccination
children with vaccinated ones:
"Children who receive all of the 22 vaccines and 35 vaccinations currently
recommended by the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) are 14 times more
likely to become learning disabled and 8 times more likely to become
autistic compared with children who were never vaccinated!!"---Voices of
Safety International, Donald C. Meserlian, P.E., Chairman.
http://www.whale.to/v/aut88.html

One independent UK expert who actually sat on the governmnet panel looking
into MMR:
"Dr Kenneth Aitken, a specialist in the treatment of autism, believes there
is a clear link between autism and the MMR jab. "When I was training, one in
2,500 [children were autistic]. Now it is one in 250. At the moment, the
only logical explanation for this is MMR," he said."--Media

Dr Miller, the UK's number one vaccine advocate for the government:
"In the latest annual report for the "Medicines Act 1968 Advisory Bodies",
she (Miller) lists five "non-personal" interests - payments which benefit
her department rather than herself personally. They are grants from Baxter
Healthcare, Wyeth Lederle Vaccines, Chiron Biocine, and SmithKline Beecham
and "CMI testing in adolescent sera", courtesy of Aventis Pasteur."--Private
Eye

UK's second gov vax advocate, Elliman:
"Professor David Elliman, whose study said fears of a link between the MMR
vaccine and autism were unfounded, admitted that he and Dr Helen Bedford had
been given money by drugs giants SmithKline Beecham and Pasteur Merieux
Merck Sharp & Dohme. Their report, MMR Vaccine - Worries Are Not Justified,
is published in the current issue of the medical journal Archives of Disease
in Childhood, and was used by the government to reiterate its view that the
vaccine is safe."--Media Makers of MMR II---Aventis Pasteur MSD
http://www.whale.to/m/all/elliman.html

The USA's number one MMR adocate, Dr Offit:
Dr. Offit shares the patent on the Rotavirus vaccine in development by
Merck and lists a $350,000 grant from Merck for Rotavirus vaccine
development. Also, he lists that he is a consultant to Merck.
http://www.whale.to/v/offit1.html



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Old December 4th 04, 11:33 PM
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"john" wrote in message ...

From: http://www.whale.to/v/rimland.html

I especially like this part:

"My son Mark was born in 1956. It was *obvious from birth* that this
perfectly normal-looking infant had something drastically wrong with
him."

So, problems at birth. But you'd rather blame vaccines.

"I had earned my Ph.D in experimental psychology 3 years earlier and
had never encountered the word autism."

Let's see, PhD in 1953 in psychology. And this in some way makes him
an expert on biology?
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Old December 5th 04, 04:36 AM
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john wrote:
World's leading independent autism expert, who was advisor to the film
Rainman, also the world's leading expert of nutritional treatments for
autism:

"When the link between the use of unsafe, mercury-laden vaccine and autism,
ADHD, asthma, allergies and diabetes becomes undeniable, mainstream medicine
will be sporting a huge, self-inflicted and well-deserved black eye. Then
will come the billion-dollar awards, by enraged juries, to the children and
their families. I can't wait."--Dr Rimland Ph.D.
http://www.whale.to/v/rimland2.html

Possibly the leading expert after Dr Rimland in the nutritional treatment of
autism:
"As a clinician, my current belief which guides my practice with these
children is that any child given the HepB vaccination at birth and
subsequent boosters along with DPT has received unacceptable levels of
neurotoxin in the form of the ethyl mercury in the thimerosal preservative
used in the vaccine. In any child with a genetic immune susceptibility
(probably about one in six) this sets off a series of events that injure the
brain-gut-immune system. By the time they are ready to receive the MMR
vaccination, their immune system is so impaired in a great number of these
children that the triple vaccine cannot be handled by the now dysfunctional
immune system and they begin their obvious descent into the autistic
spectrum disorder."---Jaquelyn McCandless, M.D
http://www.whale.to/m/candless.html


John likes that quotation a lot and he uses it every few months. As
I've noted before, those vaccines, at least in the US, no longer
contain thimerosal, so if McCandless weren't an idiot, she'd soon be
faced with why we still have autistic children (and, unfortunately,
still will in several years, when today's infants are old enough to be
diagnosed). McCandless also couldn't think of any medications other
than antibiotics that cure any disease. I can do better than that,
and I'm not even an MD. And the notion that the MMR is somehow
overwhelming the immune system of a child, whose immune system takes
on thousands of antagonists every day (unless we're talking about the
Boy in the Plastic Bubble), is too silly to require further
refutation.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders."
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Old December 5th 04, 05:16 PM
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"Vaccine-Man" wrote in message
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So, problems at birth. But you'd rather blame vaccines.


he never said all autism is from vaccines, that I recall, so that is
disingenious of you


"I had earned my Ph.D in experimental psychology 3 years earlier and
had never encountered the word autism."

Let's see, PhD in 1953 in psychology. And this in some way makes him
an expert on biology?


So biologists diagnose autism?


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Old December 5th 04, 08:08 PM
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"john" wrote in message
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"Vaccine-Man" wrote in message
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So, problems at birth. But you'd rather blame vaccines.


he never said all autism is from vaccines, that I recall, so that is
disingenious of you


"I had earned my Ph.D in experimental psychology 3 years earlier and
had never encountered the word autism."

Let's see, PhD in 1953 in psychology. And this in some way makes him
an expert on biology?


So biologists diagnose autism?


No, but neuroscience and neurology, the science and branch of medicine,
respectively, that deal with the brain are part of biology. To understand
the brain and diseases that affect the brain, you have to be a biologist.

Jeff


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Old December 5th 04, 11:24 PM
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"john" wrote in message ...
"Vaccine-Man" wrote in message
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So, problems at birth. But you'd rather blame vaccines.


he never said all autism is from vaccines, that I recall, so that is
disingenious of you


Uh, dude...the title of this thread STARTED BY YOU is "Vaccine
autism." You also provided a link to your web site, from which I opend
the referenced link. This is your implication that vaccines are the
cause of autism. In addition, you have a rather colorful history of
stating such. Hardly disingenuous on my part.

"I had earned my Ph.D in experimental psychology 3 years earlier and
had never encountered the word autism."

Let's see, PhD in 1953 in psychology. And this in some way makes him
an expert on biology?


So biologists diagnose autism?


In the 1950s (or '60s or '70s for that matter) psychology students
didn't get much biology, if any at all. Autism appears to be a
biological phenomenon, thus a psyc PhD trained in the 1950s unlikely
has the background for critical analysis of experimental biological
data.
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Old December 6th 04, 05:23 PM
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Jeff wrote:
"Ilena Rose" wrote


We are all like snowflakes ... no two of us alike ... and how we
respond to drugs, chemicals, etc. is unique.


True, which means


Could you descibe how 'extreme caution' is being used in using new
vaccines? How about putting in place a program to screen infants and
identify at-risk factors? How about testing for allergies to vaccine
ingredients before vaccinating? How about asking for information on
previous reactions or on family history of vaccine reactions, or history
of auto-immune disease before vaccinating? Would any of those be
considered as exercising reasonable caution? Quite right what you say -
extreme caution must be used when using new drugs. Or old drugs. Or any
drugs. I don't remember any caution being used when my class was lined
up for our jabs at school without parental consultation. That was in the
UK in 1970's. Anything changed? Not much. Or my daughter's doctors
exercising any caution before they injected her with vaccines. Or any
caution being used in screening for potential risk factors before
vaccinating.

There are many who believe that vaccination practice over the last
hundred years has led to an explosion in auto-immune diseases or
conditions that seem to involve an abnormal immune activity. In many of
these conditions, it is not clearly understood to what the immune system
is reacting. Conditions such as arthritis, celiac disease, diabetes,
Chronic fatigue syndrome, Multiple Sclerosis, AIDS and Cancer are among
the primary diseases of Modern Civilization. Autism can now be added to
this list. The chances of an abnormal reaction of the immune system
being caused by a process whose stated aim is to cause an unusual
reaction of the immune system is, in my humble opinion, fairly high.







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Old December 6th 04, 08:27 PM
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"World Peace Now" wrote in

There are many who believe that vaccination practice over the last hundred
years has led to an explosion in auto-immune diseases or conditions that
seem to involve an abnormal immune activity.


There are many who believe all manner of things for which evidence is
lacking.

In many of these conditions, it is not clearly understood to what the
immune system is reacting. Conditions such as arthritis, celiac disease,
diabetes, Chronic fatigue syndrome, Multiple Sclerosis, AIDS and Cancer
are among
the primary diseases of Modern Civilization.


That's mostly because vaccination has eliminated or vastly reduced previous
common killers.

Autism can now be added to this list. The chances of an abnormal reaction
of the immune system being caused by a process whose stated aim is to
cause an unusual reaction of the immune system is, in my humble opinion,
fairly high.


Educate yourself.

le moo


 




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