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Jasper Mountain hit with suit over injuries
"Ron" wrote in message ... State child abuse registries don't mean diddly squat. Actually gregg, they mean quite a bit. You can be denied employment based upon them, you can be denied a living place because of them, and it places your name available (along with your address and other information) to anyone with an internet connection. Which is WHY, Ronny boy, that state after state have had their Supreme Courts rule them unconstitutional. Given that most of YOUR agency's games hardly even meet the "preponderance of the evidence" standard to get on them. In MANY cases, Ronny boy, the party that gets LISTED does not even have a right to APPEAR or be represented in an action, such as when the alleged offender is not a parent. But you LOVE to mislead people here and bury the TRUTH about these issues so you can SUCK people into your little traps, right Mr. Spider? How many people know of your CPS connections as you "ADVISE" them? Are you up front that you are on the OTHER SIDE? Do you tell them you are with the government and are here only to "HELP THEM?" So WHO is the REAL lying sack of **** here Ronny? |
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Dan dances about his 5 "foundeds"
On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 11:26:23 -0800 (PST), Greegor
wrote: [...] G According to his own posts, Dan Sullivan was: G on New York's FIVE TIMES. DS Your usual fabrication. DS Notice the person quoted for "on New DS York's FIVE TIMES" was YOU, greg. NOT me!!! DS GFYS. Dan, are you actually saying that your old and much repeated claim to have reversed 5 founded Child Abuse Reports is not from and about yourself? Pulling a "Kent Wills" on this one? What are you blathering about now? As can be seen, you quoted yourself. Why not quote Dan's post(s) about the matter. Include MIDs and/or Google links so that accuracy and context can be checked. Yes, Dan, in that instance I quoted myself to show that I had ALREADY brought up that fact. So it was you and not Dan. Got it. Is there any particular reason you deceptively implied it was Dan? I correctly attributed the comment with a "G". If you wish to deny the many many times that you DID assert that you were "founded" FIVE TIMES, please be very clear about that! As can be seen above, YOU asserted this, not Dan. If you have quotes from Dan, make them available, along with the means to verify the quotes. Please don't "word it poorly", Dan Sullivan! There's nothing to word poorly. You stated it. You did not include any quote from Dan. Given that your ability to be honest is less than Ken's, you won't. You can't. -- Kent Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons... for thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup. |
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Jasper Mountain hit with suit over injuries
Greegor wrote: On Dec 26, 11:40 am, Ron wrote: Greegor wrote: On Dec 25, 10:35 pm, Kent Wills wrote: On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 19:11:44 -0600, Ron wrote: Greegor wrote: G If child abuse is a CRIME, then why wasn't I charged? DS There are levels of abuse, greg. DS Do you NOT know that by now? Ron is the one who commented about it being CRIME! I dont know why you were not charged gregg. You should have been, so maybe you should be thanking whatever deity you believe in for your luck. The burden is different. The burden for being placed on the registry is much lower than the burden for proving guilt in court. G I have admitted to things that you have personally G defined as child abuse. That doesn't mean squat. DS What you have admitted to has been determined by DS the authorities in the State of Iowa to be child abuse. Unnamed, untitled "authorities" eh? How about the legislature of the State of Iowa there gregg? Even in Iowa child abuse is a crime. It is. Proving it BARD is the key when it comes to a crime. It was proved twice that Greg abused his mentally disabled wife (once he plead guilty, which in the eyes of the law is the same as being found guilty at trial). I don't know the details of the abuse he inflicted on Lisa's daughter. It's clear there was enough evidence to warrant the complaint being founded. However, that doesn't mean there's enough to take the matter to trial. DS That's why you're on the State Child Abuse Registry. According to you, you were on New York's FIVE TIMES. Yet now you are cocky about what ""authorities"" determine? Did you ever call the caseworker in your cases an "authority", Dan? Did you miss what has been happenning to abuse registries across the country and why, Dan? Registries are NOT up to required standards and have been tossed out, or eliminated permanently. Complete lack of due process, unconstitutional. Remember when I had to educate you about the res judicata scam blowing up in Iowa, Dan? IOW, since you are not denying Dan's statement, you admit that you are on the local registry. Hmmm, how come I'm not surprised. Greg's been shockingly honest about being on the abuse registry. You'd think he'd want that kept quite. Kept quiet? Nope. State registries are one notch above a bad Hollywood Tabloid. This is why they end up being so expensive for states when people sue regarding them. People were put on them so willy nilly that they basically became worse than useless. That's why they have been wiped clean or eliminated in some states. Iowa actually got caught running theirs like a scam. The routine was that firstly, if somebody actually manages to file for correction ON TIME, the state sat on them till hell froze. If the citizens complained after about a year about no action, they got a hearing which was a foregone conclusion, to "put off" the registry hearing until the judicial process is over. In our case, the judicial process became a marathon, never exactly ending. Even more stupidly is that MY personal registry mark was put on hold until the end of a judicial process that I was not allowed to even be a legal party to. As I understand it, if a case IS resolved and ends in Juvenile Court, the registry hearing never actually changes anything, saying "res judicata" (it has already been decided). Iowa ran this scam for YEARS, until somebody threatened to go to a higher court so the state high court fixed it rather than get slapped by a Federal court. G The GRANT decision started the end to the scam. G State child abuse registries don't mean diddly squat. RVD Actually gregg, they mean quite a bit. You RVD can be denied employment based upon them, Mostly for jobs in child care.. you can be denied a living place because of them, Got any proof? http://nxtsearch.legis.state.ia.us/N...fn=default.htm Iowa state law, SF02196, paragraph G. and it places your name available (along with your address and other information) to anyone with an internet connection. You say. Got a link? http://www.nsp.state.ne.us/SOR/find.cfm I know the employment issue is of no concern for you, but you still have to live somewhere. Got a link to where this use of a state child abuse registry is permitted? Ron -- Kenneth Pangborn (AKA KRP) is a lying sack of ****! Proof at: www.aboutkenpangborn.com |
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Jasper Mountain hit with suit over injuries
krp wrote: "Ron" wrote in message ... State child abuse registries don't mean diddly squat. Actually gregg, they mean quite a bit. You can be denied employment based upon them, you can be denied a living place because of them, and it places your name available (along with your address and other information) to anyone with an internet connection. Which is WHY, Ronny boy, that state after state have had their Supreme Courts rule them unconstitutional. Given that most of YOUR agency's games hardly even meet the "preponderance of the evidence" standard to get on them. In MANY cases, Ronny boy, the party that gets LISTED does not even have a right to APPEAR or be represented in an action, such as when the alleged offender is not a parent. But you LOVE to mislead people here and bury the TRUTH about these issues so you can SUCK people into your little traps, right Mr. Spider? How many people know of your CPS connections as you "ADVISE" them? Are you up front that you are on the OTHER SIDE? Do you tell them you are with the government and are here only to "HELP THEM?" So WHO is the REAL lying sack of **** here Ronny? You, but we already knew that kenny. Oh, and I'd usually ask for some form of proof of those kinds of statements, but in the past you have consistently failed to provide such so I wont ask now. Ron -- Kenneth Pangborn (AKA KRP) is a lying sack of ****! Proof at: www.aboutkenpangborn.com |
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Jasper Mountain hit with suit over injuries
Greegor wrote: RVD OK, and at 12 she should have known that there RVD wound be consequences for that action, right? But again I say: If she had jumped out of her parents car and died like this, the parents would have been criminally charged. Maybe, maybe not gregg. Scar Jasper Mountain was in trusted to keep her safe. She should've been in a safty harness, and the doors have child safety locks, that were'nt ingaged. If they had been the child would'nt have been able to leap from the van. A safety harness? As in a 5 point car seat? A 5 point crash harness that a race driver might use? A Riftin Chair? RVD Sorry TL, even a 12 year old knows how to get out of a seatbelt and RVD unlock a door. Lets try and be reasonable, shall we? Was this transport outfit or the institution handling "normal" kids? Good question, why dont you find out and let us know. If they have a mentally ill kid, do they use "normal" seat belts and do they leave the inside door latches functional? Good question, why dont you find out and let us know. Scar Jasper Mountain is for children who suffer from Bi-Polar, Schizophrenia, and other mood disorders. They also treat children who are victims of physical & sexual abuse. Jasper is in trusted with the childrens care, We fully expect Scar to keep the children in their care ALIVE & SAFE.. RVD And restrained it seems. RVD Sorry TL, it is not possible to keep everyone or even anyone safe from RVD every possible harm that may be out there. And it certainly is not RVD possible when the individual themselves insist on engaging in dangerous RVD activities. Lets try and be reasonable, shall we? Is this a facility or transport for "reasonable" kids or troubled ones? Good question, why dont you find out and let us know. BTW, what is your idea of "reasonable"? And please don't tell me about the staff being trained in safty holds. I've personaly seen the "Highly Trained Staff" use these "Safty Holds" there is NOTHING SAFE ABOUT IT!! RVD An interesting opinion. Backed by what RVD training or education? Are you an LEO? RVD A prison guard? A defensive training instructor? Doesn't "defensive" training say it all Ron? It's not defensive for the patient apparently. It's defensive for the staff! Yes gregg, staff of these types of facilities are attacked quite often. A bit of defensive training is certainly called for in these jobs, as is training in how to deal with out of control children. Just think gregg! What would your life have been like if they had that type of training for those who provided your care! TLW I seen two grown men who weighted at least 200lbs TLW pin a child of 8 who weighted maybe 60 lbs, face down TLW on the ground, with her little arms pulled up behind her back, TLW one of the men had his arm across the side of her face, TLW with his knee in her upper back, and his ass on her lower back. TLW The big highly trained man was sitting on her leggs. RVD One man in three different places at the same time? RVD I'd not call that training, I'd call him a contortionist. Was this comment hostile defense of bureaucratic dogma, or was it a good faith discussion, Ron? Good question, why dont you find out and let us know. My son was placed in the BASKET HOLD, Three Separate times. Each time he went into CARDIAC ARREST! So yes I have a problem with that, DAMN RIGHT I DO. Explain "BASKET HOLD" please. Its a term I am not familiar with. No hold can cause an individual to cardiac arrest, sorry its just not possible. Other factors must be involved for that to happen. A reasonable "cause and effect" chain from what you are saying just does not exist. Ron, are you saying that if a child is squished really hard that it cannot cause a cardiac arrest? Is that what you said, in essence? "squished really hard" is not a hold gregg. What excuse would you find justifiable if my son would have died? Which could have easy have happened, after all the Medic's had use the paddles on him more than once to bring him back. Sounds like your son has a heart condition. It also sounds like you have no interest in confirming that as such a condition would remove the blame from the facility if anything were to happen. Even after the first two arrests?? Im sorry MS Waggoner, we at Scar Jasper Mountain are highly trained in SAFETY HOLDS. If your 5 year old Bi-Polar son would have desculated like asked, this would not have happened. To be honest with you TL, your story just does not hold together. I'm sure that you have some concerns with the facility and its staff, but it also sounds like you have a major ax to grind with the system and with the facility. Far to much of an ax for us to get an objective statement of the situation or a viable opinion. Ron is saying you are biased. Yes. And yet, for SIX YEARS, Ron joined in the FRAUD about how a poster named "Kane" (Panakaken koo koo) was NOT a former CPS caseworker. Got a link to where I said something like that gregg? Not to mention one with an axe to grind and a career to serrupticiously glorify and validate. In English please, I dont speak Greek. It turned out to be Donald L. Fisher of Carson, WA, formerly an Oregon caseworker and webmaster for Oregon's photo web site of kids available to be adopted. Ron's need to deny or minimize what you saw with your own eyes is paramount, tlwaggoner! Mr Fisher may have been gregg, I wouldn't know. What I do know is that Kane is not Don Fisher. But I do love it when you get off track and start spawning your own little litter of kittens. Ron -- Kenneth Pangborn (AKA KRP) is a lying sack of ****! Proof at: www.aboutkenpangborn.com |
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