Unvaccinated children healthier

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JOHN wrote:

"Jeff" wrote in message

Sorry, you can call people ignorant all you want, but, the reality is that
vaccines save lives.

A lie, biggest Allopathic lie, in fact

"Nobody needs to be confused but EVERYBODY better be darn well frightened
about taking ANY vaccine, under ANY circumstance, for ANY reason, at ANY
time in their life."--Dr Duffy DC http://www.whale.to/vaccines/quotes.htm

Like anyone should be impressed by a chiropractor's opinion on
vaccination.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"HPV shots don't cause promiscuity. Tequila shots do." -- Bill Maher

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JOHN wrote:

"Jeff" wrote in message
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Bull. Herbs have rarely been demonstrated in a scientific way to cure
much.

So says an Allopath, no surprise there
http://www.whale.to/a/image/mctaggart_b2.jpg

Ooh, McTaggart the idiot, who is so ignorant she can't even think of a
medication (aside from antibiotics) that can cure a disease. Not a
doctor I'd let practice on me.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"HPV shots don't cause promiscuity. Tequila shots do." -- Bill Maher

bigvince wrote:
On Apr 9, 11:29 am, Penny Gaines wrote:
JOHN wrote:
"Donna Metler" wrote in message
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Which I'll definitely believe. However, having taught in early childhood
and
kindergarten classrooms before the Chicken Pox vaccine, I know what
happens
when one of those childhood diseases rips through an unvaccinated
population. Within a few weeks, we would have more than half of the
students
in the pre K and Kindergarten out, plus a handful who had sometimes missed
it the first time. And inevitably, that would include at least one older
student or adult who had missed it for several years, and would be
seriously
ill.
We haven't had chicken pox vaccine here, UK, but i can't recall it being a
problem in any of the 7 schools my kids have been to.
I can't recall any kindegarten or pre school incident of it, or primary
school. So hardly a problem
[snip]

One of my kids had it at pre-school, and passed it on to their sibling:
there were several other cases within that pre-school.

--
Penny Gaines
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Chikenpox is unpleasant.

And may have serious complications for the child. And, of course, adults
who have had chicken pox as a child are at risk to develop shingles in
later life. Shingles can be so painful that a person becomes
non-functional.

Every day children in this country die from
adverse reaction to vaccines.

That sounds like you should be able to prove it. Please do.

The safety of mercury containing vaccines
has recently been questioned.

And then shown to be safe. In fact, there is no proof whatsoever that
there are any problems as a result of thimerosal being in the vaccines.

However, that is old news, as thimerosal has been removed. I am glad to
bring you up to date on this important issue.

The real data was availible for all to
see. The reaction on the people in charge of our health is detailed
here
" You couldn't even construct a study that shows thimerosal is safe.
It's
just too darn toxic. If you inject thimerosal into an animal, its
brain
will sicken. If you apply it to living tissue, the cells die. If you
put
it in a petri dish, the culture dies. Knowing these things, it would
be
shocking if one could inject it into an infant without causing
damage."
----Dr. Boyd Haley, http://www.whale. to/v/haley. html Professor and
Chair, Dept. of Chemistry, University of Kentucky and one of the
world's
leading authorities on mercury toxicity. (Excerpt from Deadly Immunity

OOPS! Dr. Haley may have all those fancy credentials, but, alas, as has
been documented at Ratbags.com, his knowledge of basic chemistry is
lacking. He thinks that the fact that the percentage of molecular weight
of one atom in a complex molecule actually has meaning. I learned that
it does not in high school chemistry.

http://www.whale. to/vaccine/ kennedy.html )

Double OOPS! That website is known to be the internet's largest
suppository of absurd information.

DR. Haley understands science and the scientific method Read
the story if your interested in this subject

Yes, read that story and have a chuckle if you took high school chemistry.

Robert wrote:
"bigvince" wrote in message
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On Apr 8, 10:59 pm, "Jan Drew" wrote:
"Jeff" wrote in message Stan

If vaccines are so safe then how come drug companies won't even produce
them unless they are granted immunity from lawsuits. How many people have
been damanged by vaccines? If anyone has an interest in this they should
read "Deadly immunity" just google it. A recent article in he British
Medical Journal found sanitation not vaccines the most inportant contributor
to better health in the last 50 years
Can you imagine a world without vaccines?

Vaccines have eliminated or mostly eliminated so many diseases that I cannot
understand why there an anti-vaccination movement.

There is no vaccine against stupidity.

toto wrote:
On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 23:47:44 GMT, Peter Bowditch
wrote:

toto wrote:

On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 20:06:59 GMT, Peter Bowditch
wrote:

So we can expect Boyd Haley to come out and say that Andrew Wakefield
is "a very foolish or a very dishonest person" any day now.
Maybe he won't, but the Brits already discredited Wakefield's
research.
It was discredited as soon as it was published.

I was being sarcastic. The probability of any promoter of quackery
ever criticising another one is negligible, no matter how much they
might appear to disagree over fundamentals.

Actually, I am so tempted to go hear Wakefield speak, just to try to
figure out what he is really doing in the US now. Unfortunately, I
don't have $125 to waste on a conference although I suppose it would
be worth that much to hear Vincent Carbone who will also be there.

This one has David Kirby, Wakefield and lots of others from the
anti-vac crowd speaking, but Carbone will be there too. I wonder how
they managed that one. I guess they accept VB ABA as a good therapy
despite the insistence that they can *cure* autism with chelation and
diet and no vaccinations.

Hi Dorothy!

You can get as much entertainment value if you go to the circus.

You neglected to mention the Geiers whoi want to chemically castrate
autistics.

bigvince wrote:
On Apr 8, 10:59 pm, "Jan Dre

w" wrote:
"Jeff" wrote in message Stan


If vaccines are so safe then how come drug companies won't even produce them unless they are granted immunity from lawsuits. How many people have been damanged by vaccines? If anyone has an interest in this they should read "Deadly immunity" just google it. A recent article in he British Medical Journal found sanitation not vaccines the most inportant contributor to better health in the last 50 years


That was a net opinion survey. Hardly a source of factual information.

Donna Metler wrote:
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"bigvince" wrote in message
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On Apr 8, 10:59 pm, "Jan Drew" wrote:
"Jeff" wrote in message Stan

If vaccines are so safe then how come drug companies won't even produce
them unless they are granted immunity from lawsuits. How many people have
been damanged by vaccines? If anyone has an interest in this they should
read "Deadly immunity" just google it. A recent article in he British
Medical Journal found sanitation not vaccines the most inportant contributor
to better health in the last 50 years
Which I'll definitely believe. However, having taught in early childhood and
kindergarten classrooms before the Chicken Pox vaccine, I know what happens
when one of those childhood diseases rips through an unvaccinated
population. Within a few weeks, we would have more than half of the students
in the pre K and Kindergarten out, plus a handful who had sometimes missed
it the first time. And inevitably, that would include at least one older
student or adult who had missed it for several years, and would be seriously
ill.

The first year after the Varicella vaccine became part of the protocol for
chicken pox, even in a school where a sizable chunk of our kindergarteners
(as high as 20% some years) aren't vaccinated because "personal belief
excemptions" are often easier to deal with when you're against the wire for
school enrollment than actually getting the child vaccinated for our low
income families, we had only 6 children in kindergarten get Chicken pox-all
unvaccinated, all in two separate homerooms, where one child was exposed
outside of school. In the other kindergarten classes, they avoided the
infection entirely, and we didn't have any older children (even though most
of them had never been vaccinated) catch it.

ANd chicken pox isn't as damaging as many of the childhood diseases which
have been part of the protocol for a generation or more.

The main thing which allows non-vaccinated children to avoid these diseases
is that most people around them are vaccinated.

Those people who do not vaccinate their kids are correctly called
free-loading child neglecters.

"Jeff" wrote in message
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Explain why the rate of pneumonia is lower thanks to Prevnar.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p....H0&refer=news


another poisons based on lies

http://www.whale.to/v/prevnar.htm

Dr. Erdem Cantekin, a medical researcher, is one of the nation's leading
experts on earaches. "It [Prevnar] is an ineffective and toxic vaccine," he
said ----[2001] News 8 Investigates: Prevnar

"The alleged benefits for this new vaccine are greatly exaggerated and the
risks are significant," said Cantekin. ---"Pneumococcal Vaccine and Otitis
Media" by Dr. Erdem Cantekin

What we do know is that U.S., where the vaccination is already in use,
parent doctors have reported 117 deaths relatively soon after vaccination.
There is no proof that vaccination was the cause, but the deaths remain
obstinately unexplained.[Media Jan 2005 Prevnar vaccine] A JAB TOO FAR---Dr
Richard Halvorsen

Sodium cyanide is used in the Prevnar manufacturing process, but trace
amounts remain in the vaccine itself, according to Livingston. There are in
fact, he says, many toxic substances in vaccines. "Mercury, lead, aluminum,
cyanide, it's not a pretty picture," Livingston warns, "for a child's immune
system, for unsuspecting parents and caregivers, who are never told about
the presence of these chemicals, and for employees who have to keep their
mouths shut or face losing employment," he adds."[May 2006] Whistleblower
Mark Livingston Battles Wyeth Pharmaceuticals

"The award was also given this year to Mark Livingston, a pharmaceutical
quality control specialist who was involved in the launching of Wyeth
Pharmaceuticals' Prevnar pediatric vaccine. In the fall of 2003, Livingston
filed a lawsuit in federal court alleging that Wyeth Pharmaceuticals
compromised the manufacturing process of bulk vaccine to meet demand. "
Whistleblower speaks out - MerckVioxx & also bit on Wyeth Prevnar

"Prevnar ranks as one of the biggest selling hype snow jobs in modern
medicine. And I haven't even touched on the safety issues, including the
fact that this company, like other vaccine manufacturers, can't seem to get
around to conducting adequate safety studies."--Nicholas Regush

"The evaluation of safety and efficacy and federal approval of Prevnar is
laden with ethical questions. Many of the doctors directly involved in the
testing and approval process appear to have significant conflicts of
interest. The efficacy of the vaccine is questionable and safety testing has
been terribly inadequate. There are no long-term studies (i.e. more than 5
years) of the chronic, debilitating and life threatening diseases that this
vaccine may cause. The fact that the vaccine is bio-engineered by combining
various types and portions of bacteria should require it to undergo
considerable scrutiny. Assuming the vaccine has any efficacy at all, the
need for universal vaccination needs to be reexamined in light of the small
number of children who might be at risk from serious complications from
pneumococcal disease. "---Michael Horwin, MA

"The Prevnar pre-licensure clinical trials, which Wyeth Lederle paid Kaiser
Permanente to conduct, compared two experimental vaccines against each
other. To compound this basic methodological flaw, Kaiser and Wyeth Lederle,
allowed most of the children in the trial to be given the more reactive DPT
vaccine rather than use the safer, less reactive DTaP vaccine. This placed
the children in that five-year experiment in greater danger and allowed the
drug company to write off the seizures that occurred as being caused by DPT
and not Prevnar, when in fact, they didn't know. Even so, the groups of
children who got Prevnar suffered more seizures, higher fevers, more
irritability and other reactions than did the children who got the other
experimental vaccine. It was a no-brainer as far as I was concerned: Kaiser
and Wyeth Lederle had proved nothing about Prevnar vaccine safety."--Barbara
Loe Fisher

"JOHN" wrote in message
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"Jeff" wrote in message
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Explain why the rate of pneumonia is lower thanks to Prevnar.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p....H0&refer=news


another poisons based on lies

Lies deleted.

Unfortunately, the best you can do is a bunch of quotes from quacks.

You have not answered my question. Then again, you never understood the
question.

Jeff

"Jeff" wrote in message
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Unfortunately, the best you can do is a bunch of quotes from quacks.

Quackery http://www.whale.to/vaccines/lymph_h.html

"It is difficult to conceive what will be the excuse made for a century of
cowpoxing; but it cannot be doubted that the practice will appear in as
absurd a light to the common sense of the twentieth century as blood-letting
now does to us. Vaccination differs, however, from all previous errors of
the faculty, in being maintained as the law of the land on the warrant of
medical authority. That is the reason why the blow to professional credit
can hardly help being severe, and why the efforts to ward it off have been,
and will continue to be so ingenious." Charles Creighton M.D.