no heartbeat...please help !!!!!

Hello ALL,

This question have been raised many more times but I request you to
share your answers. Some of you or your friends/realtives may faced
this kind of pain

My wife is conceived and we have been to hospital for checkup on 25th
Sep 06, Dr. confirmed thru trasnvaginal ultrasound

Baby 6.6 weeks on 25/9/06
CRL : 7mm
Fetal pole : Yes
Size : 31 x 39 x 23 mm
Avg. SAC diameter : 31mm

along with his he says "Baby has no heartbeat" (which he suppose to
see) and he told medically if they wont get heartbeat after 5weeks that
considered as miscarry. We are broken after he told this. By God's
grace today i chat with my distance friend & his wife also had the same
issue but got the heart beat after 7th week or starting of 8th week. Is
this like anything happend to you or to the one who you knows? Who get
baby heartbeat in the next scan...

What is average usual number of week to get the heart beat?

heartbeat means a small dot will blink when you check thru ultrascan or
will heard any sound in ultrascan? pls clarify

In next two days of time we have a appointment with Senior consultant
to do a scan again. My wife don't have any pain, bleeding or spotting.
Only thing she has morning sickness and nausea and often tried. Is that
normal? Praying sincerly for a good news in next two days.

Hope to hear from you soon !!!

At 6.6 weeks with vaginal ultrasound, we should be able to detect the
heart beat.

Sometimes, for a variety of technical reasons, it may be difficult to
detect the heart beat this early. This is particularly true with
abdominal ultrasound.

The usual thing to do in this situation is wait 7-10 days and look
again. Occasionally the heart beat will be detectable as the baby grows
larger.

I am sorry for your difficult situation. I am sure you must be worried.
I hope things turn out well for you, but I am sorry to say there is a
strong possibility that you and your wife will lose this pregnancy.

alath wrote:
At 6.6 weeks with vaginal ultrasound, we should be able to detect the
heart beat.

Sometimes, for a variety of technical reasons, it may be difficult to
detect the heart beat this early. This is particularly true with
abdominal ultrasound.

The usual thing to do in this situation is wait 7-10 days and look
again. Occasionally the heart beat will be detectable as the baby grows
larger.

I am sorry for your difficult situation. I am sure you must be worried.
I hope things turn out well for you, but I am sorry to say there is a
strong possibility that you and your wife will lose this pregnancy.

Yes, its very much true that im worried to the extreme. But I saw/read
many post/articles in the newsgroup and they were mentioning they had
baby heart beat even after 8weeks (but dont kwno whether its
transvaginal u/sound or abdominal u/sound). So is it a thumb rule or
must, the baby has to get h/beat after 5weeks , or based on person it
may be 6 to 8 weeks also.

Is there any one aware similar to my wife thing, which got heartbeat in
2nd ultrasound scan (thru vaginal ultrasound). Is it good to have two
ultrascan in a gap of 10days. My concern is it should not affect either
baby or mother. If my post is not a proper way of asking questions, pls
forgive me.

As i mentioned in my 1st post, during the scan on 25th-Sep-06 thru
transvaginal ultrasound scan, they Dr says its medically considered as
miscarry and she would have pain or bleeding in a week. But till now my
wife is normal and dont have any those symptoms. Is that considered the
baby is normal and may have heart beat now (7+ weeks)?

Please share your experience .....

Regards

wrote:
Hello ALL,

This question have been raised many more times but I request you to
share your answers. Some of you or your friends/realtives may faced
this kind of pain

My wife is conceived and we have been to hospital for checkup on 25th
Sep 06, Dr. confirmed thru trasnvaginal ultrasound

Baby 6.6 weeks on 25/9/06
CRL : 7mm
Fetal pole : Yes
Size : 31 x 39 x 23 mm
Avg. SAC diameter : 31mm

along with his he says "Baby has no heartbeat" (which he suppose to
see) and he told medically if they wont get heartbeat after 5weeks that
considered as miscarry. We are broken after he told this. By God's
grace today i chat with my distance friend & his wife also had the same
issue but got the heart beat after 7th week or starting of 8th week. Is
this like anything happend to you or to the one who you knows? Who get
baby heartbeat in the next scan...

What is average usual number of week to get the heart beat?

heartbeat means a small dot will blink when you check thru ultrascan or
will heard any sound in ultrascan? pls clarify

In next two days of time we have a appointment with Senior consultant
to do a scan again. My wife don't have any pain, bleeding or spotting.
Only thing she has morning sickness and nausea and often tried. Is that
normal? Praying sincerly for a good news in next two days.

Hope to hear from you soon !!!



First of all, I would like to say how terribly sorry I am for your
situation. Sometimes, I dont wonder if our dependence on technology is a
blessing or a curse. At 6 weeks, a trained sonographer *should* be able
to see a single pixel flicker on the screen which is the heartbeat. It
is rather callous of him to simply dump the news on you without being
absolutely sure, so I guess he is sure and the fact that you have been
referred to a seniour consultant relatively quickly would back this up.

I note from your post that you have a friend in a similar situation and
who experienced a good outcome, but please, dont get your hopes up only
to have them dashed. Just attend the consultant's appointment and listen
to what he has to say.

I know there is little we can say to comfort you at this point, but you
should bear in mind that approximately a quarter of all pregnancies end
in a miscarriage in the early stage for one reason or another. Perhaps
this embryo had some sort of genetic defect that made it impossible to
continue, who knows and sadly, you probably will never find out. There
is nothing you could have done to prevent this, it is simply the way the
cookie crumbles. The truth is that before the advent of early
ultrasounds, your wife would still be unsure of her pregnant status and
you would have no clue that there was anything amiss. The pregnancy
would simply come to an end and that would be that. In England,
ultrasounds are not routinely carried out until the 20th week of
gestation which is well after the time when most miscarriages occur. We
do have early ultrasounds, but they are done by a specialist unit and
then only if there is some cause for concern such as previous problems
or the mother is exhibiting symptoms of something worrying. In my own
case, this pregnancy is the result of a surviving twin conception. One
twin auto-aborted in the early weeks and the surviving twin is the one I
am now carrying. Perhaps you can take comfort in the knowledge that this
pregnancy is *very* early and that the embryo is just that, it isn't
viable outside of the womb and is barely recognisable as human at this
stage. This unfortunate situation will have no bearing on your wife's
ability to conceive again in a very short space of time. My guess is
that the consultant will do a confirmation ultrasound just to be
completely sure of the diagnosis and then will explain your options.
There really is only one option which I am sure you are aware of. The
good news is that a D & C will be performed under anesthetic and your
wife will be well again in a very short period of time. Sometimes,
things do not go to plan. It is nobodys' fault and there is nothing you
could have done to prevent it. If it were me (and I know this is easy to
say at such a distance) I would keep an open mind. There *is* a chance
that this has all been a terrible mistake, but unfortunately, there is a
fair possibility that the sonographer does know his job and is correct
in his diagnosis. Let us know the outcome.

Wookie

wrote:
Hello ALL,

This question have been raised many more times but I request you to
share your answers. Some of you or your friends/realtives may faced
this kind of pain

My wife is conceived and we have been to hospital for checkup on 25th
Sep 06, Dr. confirmed thru trasnvaginal ultrasound

Baby 6.6 weeks on 25/9/06
CRL : 7mm
Fetal pole : Yes
Size : 31 x 39 x 23 mm
Avg. SAC diameter : 31mm

along with his he says "Baby has no heartbeat"

shock the rugrat with a car battery charger that will get heartbeat
going.

ChocolateChip_Wookie wrote:
wrote:
Hello ALL,

This question have been raised many more times but I request you to
share your answers. Some of you or your friends/realtives may faced
this kind of pain

My wife is conceived and we have been to hospital for checkup on 25th
Sep 06, Dr. confirmed thru trasnvaginal ultrasound

Baby 6.6 weeks on 25/9/06
CRL : 7mm
Fetal pole : Yes
Size : 31 x 39 x 23 mm
Avg. SAC diameter : 31mm

along with his he says "Baby has no heartbeat" (which he suppose to
see) and he told medically if they wont get heartbeat after 5weeks that
considered as miscarry. We are broken after he told this. By God's
grace today i chat with my distance friend & his wife also had the same
issue but got the heart beat after 7th week or starting of 8th week. Is
this like anything happend to you or to the one who you knows? Who get
baby heartbeat in the next scan...

What is average usual number of week to get the heart beat?

heartbeat means a small dot will blink when you check thru ultrascan or
will heard any sound in ultrascan? pls clarify

In next two days of time we have a appointment with Senior consultant
to do a scan again. My wife don't have any pain, bleeding or spotting.
Only thing she has morning sickness and nausea and often tried. Is that
normal? Praying sincerly for a good news in next two days.

Hope to hear from you soon !!!

I know there is little we can say to comfort you at this point, but you
should bear in mind that approximately a quarter of all pregnancies end
in a miscarriage in the early stage for one reason or another. Perhaps
this embryo had some sort of genetic defect that made it impossible to
continue, who knows and sadly, you probably will never find out. There
is nothing you could have done to prevent this, it is simply the way the
cookie crumbles. The truth is that before the advent of early
ultrasounds, your wife would still be unsure of her pregnant status and
you would have no clue that there was anything amiss. The pregnancy
would simply come to an end and that would be that. In England,
ultrasounds are not routinely carried out until the 20th week of
gestation which is well after the time when most miscarriages occur. We
do have early ultrasounds, but they are done by a specialist unit and
then only if there is some cause for concern such as previous problems
or the mother is exhibiting symptoms of something worrying.

This is certainly not true in my area and I wonder if it is really true
of the rest of the UK. Here the first routine scan is at around 12
weeks, to date the pregnancy. It was at this scan I found out my baby
had died at 6-7weeks. I had no bleeding whatsoever and had morning
sickness, the need to pee and extreme tiredness right up until 12 weeks
when I had a medical miscarriage (they used drugs rather than a D&C to
remove the foetus).

There really is only one option which I am sure you are aware of. The
good news is that a D & C will be performed under anesthetic and your
wife will be well again in a very short period of time.

I was given the option of waiting to miscarry naturally (they cannot
predict when this will happen, only that it will), have a medical
miscarrige where they give drugs to stop hormones and then drugs to
bring on a kind of contraction, or a D&C. A D&C is more risky than the
other two options because of the risk of infection and possible
infertility. In my case the medical miscarriage was not 'complete' so I
had a D&C anyway and became infected. Thankfully I conceived again and
went to term.

Sometimes,
things do not go to plan. It is nobodys' fault and there is nothing you
could have done to prevent it. If it were me (and I know this is easy to
say at such a distance) I would keep an open mind. There *is* a chance
that this has all been a terrible mistake, but unfortunately, there is a
fair possibility that the sonographer does know his job and is correct
in his diagnosis. Let us know the outcome.

I agree with this completely. It is really hard to comes to terms with
a loss, even at an early stage, but as you say, they are more common
than some people realise and no-one is to blame.

I know nothing about when you should be able to detect a heartbeat so I
cannot advise there. I just really hope you have a good outcome.

Jeni

wrote:

Yes, its very much true that im worried to the extreme. But I saw/read
many post/articles in the newsgroup and they were mentioning they had
baby heart beat even after 8weeks (but dont kwno whether its
transvaginal u/sound or abdominal u/sound). So is it a thumb rule or
must, the baby has to get h/beat after 5weeks , or based on person it
may be 6 to 8 weeks also.

The heart should have been beating, but the question
is whether or not the scan *detected* the heart beating.
Another possibility could be wrong dates. Both, however,
are long shots.

Is there any one aware similar to my wife thing, which got heartbeat in
2nd ultrasound scan (thru vaginal ultrasound). Is it good to have two
ultrascan in a gap of 10days. My concern is it should not affect either
baby or mother. If my post is not a proper way of asking questions, pls
forgive me.

No one can prove any technology 100 percent safe,
and ultrasound is no exception. However, this is a valid
reason to use ultrasound and I wouldn't be too concerned
about this.
It does occasionally happen that they pick up a
heartbeat at the second scan. Mistakes do happen on occasion.
It's not very likely, but it is a possibility, which is why
they recommended the second scan to you rather than coming
to a definite conclusion based only on the first scan.

As i mentioned in my 1st post, during the scan on 25th-Sep-06 thru
transvaginal ultrasound scan, they Dr says its medically considered as
miscarry and she would have pain or bleeding in a week. But till now my
wife is normal and dont have any those symptoms. Is that considered the
baby is normal and may have heart beat now (7+ weeks)?

Unfortunately, the fact that she's not bleeding or
cramping at this point is not a guarantee that she hasn't
miscarried. Sometimes it takes the body a while to realize
what's happened and react appropriately.

I'm sorry you're having to go through this--I
understand that it's agony to go through this wait.

Best wishes,
Ericka

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ChocolateChip_Wookie wrote:
wrote:
Hello ALL,

snip
This is certainly not true in my area and I wonder if it is really true
of the rest of the UK. Here the first routine scan is at around 12
weeks, to date the pregnancy. It was at this scan I found out my baby
had died at 6-7weeks. I had no bleeding whatsoever and had morning
sickness, the need to pee and extreme tiredness right up until 12 weeks
when I had a medical miscarriage (they used drugs rather than a D&C to
remove the foetus).



Oops, yes. I just re-read my post. 12 weeks, and then again at 20.
Sorry. But still, the rest is correct. We dont have early scans on a
routine basis. 12 weeks is the point at which the pregnancy is given a
decent chance of going to term. We dont do 6 weekers here unless there
is a cause for concern.

Sorry to hear about your miscarriage.

Wookie

Ericka & ALL,

Thanks for your response.

Infact I insisted/requested the Dr to wait and do a scan again by next
week. After he saw the 1st ultrasound report he decided its a miscarry
and recommended for cleanup the womb.

1) At which week we will see (a small blink in the ultrascan) heartbeat
in general?

2) Does all the pregnant women have babyheartbeat on that weeks itself?
either 5th or 6th?

Quite worried and puzzled :-(
regards

"ChocolateChip_Wookie" "wookie[at]bluelotusblossom[dot]com" wrote in
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wrote:
ChocolateChip_Wookie wrote:
wrote:
Hello ALL,

snip This is certainly not true in my area and I wonder if it is
really true
of the rest of the UK. Here the first routine scan is at around 12
weeks, to date the pregnancy. It was at this scan I found out my baby
had died at 6-7weeks. I had no bleeding whatsoever and had morning
sickness, the need to pee and extreme tiredness right up until 12 weeks
when I had a medical miscarriage (they used drugs rather than a D&C to
remove the foetus).

That's really sad. Sorry to hear about it.



Oops, yes. I just re-read my post. 12 weeks, and then again at 20. Sorry.
But still, the rest is correct. We dont have early scans on a routine
basis. 12 weeks is the point at which the pregnancy is given a decent
chance of going to term. We dont do 6 weekers here unless there is a cause
for concern.

It's the postcode lottery for when you have the scans.
Here you get (unless refused) nucheal fold/dating at 12 weeks and anomely
(sp) at 20ish weeks.
Where I was before you only had one before 20 weeks if you had
bleeding/problems.
I know of an area which has only one at 13 weeks, another area one at 16
weeks, and one that goes for 12, 20 and 35 weeks. I have been told of one
area that standardly does dating scans on everyone at 8 weeks (up in
Scotland somewhere) but this was 6 years ago, so they may have changed it. I
think they did the second at 25 weeks.
Debbie