The Cause of the Enormous Diabetes Epidemic

In other words, Jeff STILL can't count



Jeff wrote:
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Jeff wrote:

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No Jeff, we do NOT have a " a higher incidence of type II diabetes in
each age group"

we have physicians who seem to have missed basic math

The diagnostic change only effects type 2's not type 1'a

also, we have a change in definitions. 20 years ago NO ONE under 18 was
considered to be Type 2, they were "juvenile onset" which was DEFINED as
type one.


Apparently, you have missed somethng. This article shows people under 18
diagnosed as having type II diabetes more than 20 years ago and talks
about the type II epidemic now:

Well sonny
I was there, you werm't.


Wow. What a good comeback. You should write it down somplace.


and, The article you quoted is about diagnosing JAPANESE children,m by
URINE testing.

Jedd, we know you are unable to count, but you supposedly graduated from
medical school. Are you being delibertly obtuse? or are you taking
lessons from frauds like Rick and Betty?


Who's Jedd?


Without even getting into the fact that you can't diagnose T2 from urine
tests, how many diabetics would you get today if you used the old urine
stick x 3 diagnosis today?. Sheesh


Don't know. The article referenced data from a Japanese study, but also
other studies.


http://care.diabetesjournals.org/cgi...nalcode=diacar

The CDC seems to agree with me:
http://www.cdc.gov/diabetes/projects/cda2.htm



A quick run of the numbers show that in the last 29 years, there should
have been an increase in diagnosed type two's of over 300% SIMPLY because
of changes in diagnosis


References, please.


I sent you the math a long time ago. I don't need a "reference". I can
count! I used US-X18M experience for the base mortality tables, and, as I
recall, a US population M2000 for the current mortality table. I did NOT
make any allowances for the decrease in mortality of diagnosed diabetics
vs undiagnosed diabetics as I don't have any good data on theist. I only
ran male, and assumed that the female ratio would be about the same.


In other words, you can't provide references.

You were wrong back then, and you are wrong now.

Jeff


Jeff



Jeff wrote:


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There is NO "diabetic epidemic"

just people who didn't learn simple math.

We now have many more DIAGNOSED diabetics than we used to.

20 years ago, you had to
1) show symptoms severe enough for your doctor to test your BG
2) have a BG of over 200 for three consecutive tests (6 months apart)
If you were below 200 once, you were not considered diabetic.

NOW, everyone is tested for bg regularly
ONE reading of 126 is diagnosed as diabetic
and anything from 100 to 125 is "pre-diabetic"


However, there is a higher incidence of type II diabetes in each age
group. I am not going to argue with you whether or not this is an
epidemic.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Citation

http://www.cdc.gov/diabetes/statistics/maps/map1.htm

The rates of overweight and obesity are going up in the US and other
parts of the world. Overweight and obesity are major risk factors for
diabetes. Use your brain. The rates of diabetes with a consistent
definition over time, are going up, for each age group.

You have a valid point. But, your point does not explain all of the rise
in diabetes incidence or prevelance. Plus, this does not explain all of
the new cases of type II diabetes that pediatricitian are reporting in
obese kids. Twenty years ago, there were far fewer cases.

Jeff






Jeff wrote:



The cause of the type II diabetes epidemic is people eating too many
calories and not getting enough exercise.

Jeff

--
"...in addition to being foreign territory the past is, as history, a
hall of mirrors that reflect the needs of souls observing from the
present"
Glen Cook



--
"...in addition to being foreign territory the past is, as history, a
hall of mirrors that reflect the needs of souls observing from the
present"
Glen Cook



--
"...in addition to being foreign territory the past is, as history, a hall
of mirrors that reflect the needs of souls observing from the present"
Glen Cook




--
"...in addition to being foreign territory the past is, as history, a
hall of mirrors that reflect the needs of souls observing from the present"
Glen Cook

"ted rosenberg" wrote in message
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In other words, Jeff STILL can't count

Nice comeback. Especially when I did not talk about counting.

It is a shame that when you have a disagreement over something with a
person, you have to get nasty to make your point.

Instead of attacking me, perhaps you could support your claim.

The funny thing is that you failed to make your point.

The article cites more than the article about the study of the Japanese
people you talk about. And you have yet to explain the CDC page either.

Perhaps, instead of attacking me, you could act like a medical professional
and try to enlighten me in a civil manner.

All the best,

Jeff

Well Jeff, as you are aware, I am NOT a "medical professional" I am an
actuary. That means I work with the mathematics of morbidity and
mortality. Physicians in general are pretty incompetent in that field.
Even epidemiologists use mathematical techniques which were in use
prior to 1860 when Markham developed more accurate methodology. We have
come a long way since Markham - physicians haven't even gotten that far.

So, do not come to me for treatment of an acute condition - I might be
right, but physicians are going to be better than I at least 9 times out
of 10, if not more. Equally, DON'T try to feed me idiot conclusions
based upon worthless data, poor "studies" and bad math.

It is not just long term population items. MOST of the peer-reviewed
studies published in medical journals have grevious flaws. That is why
we need multiple independent studies to confirm the results.

Then there is the mathematics of the spread of contagious disease in a
population. Work by Benoit Mandelbrot and his followers is beyond
anything I do, and WORLDS ahead of anything taught in Public Health.

When in doubt, do a Metastudy - that is if you are running short of
toilet paper.

Jeff wrote:
"ted rosenberg" wrote in message
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In other words, Jeff STILL can't count


Nice comeback. Especially when I did not talk about counting.

It is a shame that when you have a disagreement over something with a
person, you have to get nasty to make your point.

Instead of attacking me, perhaps you could support your claim.

The funny thing is that you failed to make your point.

The article cites more than the article about the study of the Japanese
people you talk about. And you have yet to explain the CDC page either.

Perhaps, instead of attacking me, you could act like a medical professional
and try to enlighten me in a civil manner.

All the best,

Jeff



--
"...in addition to being foreign territory the past is, as history, a
hall of mirrors that reflect the needs of souls observing from the present"
Glen Cook