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vomitting - why?
"Stephanie" wrote in
news:YqwOh.14464$_S.11575@trndny08: "Ericka Kammerer" wrote in message ... On the other hand, since you suspect other issues, it also wouldn't surprise me if there was some relationship there. I doubt anyone can get to the bottom of this without the child actually being evaluated. It's a shame the parents don't see to be concerned. It sounds like it would be in the child's best interests to get some answers. I am not sure it would be in their best interest (from their point of view) for folks to look too closely at them, I'm afraid. as a child care provider, aren't you required to be a manditory reporter? is this boy their only child? if so, maybe they are just clueless, but with his lack of verbalization & the mom's evasiveness, i think maybe someone needs to get the kid/family some help. i'm so *not* a fan of child services, but if mom is really clueless someone needs to help her out & if the kid is a little developmentally slow (it could be the chronic exhaustion though), the sooner he gets help, the better. lee |
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vomitting - why?
"Jeff" wrote in message hlink.net... "Stephanie" wrote in message news:UvxOh.2190$Rp2.673@trndny04... "Jeff" wrote in message link.net... "Stephanie" wrote in message news:cPtOh.4208$5E3.2231@trndny01... I am concerned about a child in my care at my family daycare. Normally it would be up to Mom to pursue this with her ped. She is not going to do this. I don't know why. I won't go on about my feelings about this Mom. I cant tell if her actions are deliberately trying to hide something or if she is the height of lazy. Suffice it to say this is not the first unaddressed issue. The first question that comes to mind is: "Why is this kid in your daycare?" It doesn't sound like it is a good match between you and the child. Both of you may be better off if he is in someone else's care. Um. I don't even know what to say to that. I really admire your devotion to this child. I just wish that I could say the same thing of his mother. So do you. So. Little boy, 5yo. Has SOME kind of learning disability. It is as yet unidentified. Per Mom, ped has never commented on his development (despite the fact that at age 4 he had not uttered a single word ever). My point to the backstory is that he is disadvantaged in some way, but I don't know how. Oh another part of the backstory, he is chronically sleep deprived. How do I say this without sounding like a total bitch? I guess I don't. I risk it. He is a virtual wild animal at home. When he wants something he grunts and whines. Throws himself on the floor. Mom does not put him to bed really. She just tells him to get in bed where he plays with toys and watches tv until he collapses, often around 11:00 or 12:00. Then up to be to my house for 7:00. If I have him nap here, he is up even later at home. So. Every so often he will have a spell of vomitting. About once a week, at snack time he will look green and even more tired than usual. Then he will get sick one to three times and fall asleep, regardless of the chaos around him. There does not seem to be any corrolation with food, though I am very concerned about a food allergy since they can go from benign to life threatening in a short period of time. Can shear exhaustion cause vomitting? I plan on calling my ped, but I want to wait until afternoon when they are done with the morning rush. Thanks for any thoughts. I would either call child protective services or dismiss him from your child care. Or both. I have called CPS. Twice. No bruises. No action. And if I remove him from my care, then what? Sure. It's not my problem any more. But what about him? Prior to coming here, he would not talk (at 4 years old). He was terrified of everyone. If someone's body moved to close to him, he would cringe and shake but become stone silent. He did not look at books. He did not play with toys. So I ship him off to puke on someone else? The reality is that this kid need specialized care that you can't give. No kidding! Mom is not going to find it for him. I have tried, but I am not his mother. Without the mother's consent, it does not happen. I went so far as to get the local EEE to come to MY house for assessments and lessons. All Mom had to do was call and Ok. Strangely no call. I have been pestering her for months for an updated immunization record. Funny thing is, I am probably going to have to get rid of them just so I don't risk my own registration. Not really funny. I'd mention the immunization records problem to CPS, too. He should be in a preschool that can help him with his learning disability. You preacher. Me choir. That and a lot of money will get us a Starbucks, my friend. At least when he hits Kindy next year (compulsory) *someone* will be looking a little more closely. A kid without learning disabilities (as well with parents) can stand to lose 4 or 5 months. I wish I knew what to say. At least, you can notify the school before he gets there. They may have someone who is able to start getting him the services he needs soon after he starts there. It seems obvious that without any notice, they would notice his lack of skills. They have a standard procedure of pre-kindy assessment. You have to schedule an appointment and the child goes in for 2 meetings with the teachers. Hopefully that will do the trick. I am treading a careful balance here. Mom KNOWS I called CPS on her once. I don't want to get myself into a position where I **** her off and get an unsubstantiated claim against me. Nothing could stick, but still I don't need that headache. Paranoid? Well just because I am paranoid, does not mean that they are not out to get me. I think your idea of talking to your ped is a good idea. (S)He might also be able to talk to people who can really help. Nope. She basically said to do what I was already doing and cover my ass. There is not much a non-parent can do. And it sounds like there are some issues concerning his care at home. Um. Yes. You know, you are going to go into withdrawal when he leaves your care. So will he. He'll find people who care as much as his mother appears to care at his new school. Hoepfully he will find people who care as much as you do. I can take a little withdrawal. I am heading on toward more than I can handle. He has a sister... and trust me when I tell you that that is no picnic either. Thanks for your kind words. It was kind of nice hearing the nurse on the phone telling me that there really is not much more that I can do and that I am on the right track. I have a letter to her outlining that she told me she is taking him to theped and that I look forward to a report so that I can adjust my care if necessary. A copy is in their file. What else can I do? |
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vomitting - why?
"enigma" wrote in message . .. "Stephanie" wrote in news:YqwOh.14464$_S.11575@trndny08: "Ericka Kammerer" wrote in message ... On the other hand, since you suspect other issues, it also wouldn't surprise me if there was some relationship there. I doubt anyone can get to the bottom of this without the child actually being evaluated. It's a shame the parents don't see to be concerned. It sounds like it would be in the child's best interests to get some answers. I am not sure it would be in their best interest (from their point of view) for folks to look too closely at them, I'm afraid. as a child care provider, aren't you required to be a manditory reporter? Twice already. Got my ass handed to me on a plate last time. is this boy their only child? No. if so, maybe they are just clueless, They are certainly that. It is a. Difficult to determine if they are *merely* clueless or if there is something more nefarious going on. b. Difficult to work with since even if clueless IS the problem she is completely unwilling to discuss or address issues. This, among other things, makes me wonder if it is *mere* cluelessness. but with his lack of verbalization & the mom's evasiveness, i think maybe someone needs to get the kid/family some help. i'm so *not* a fan of child services, but if mom is really clueless someone needs to help her out & if the kid is a little developmentally slow (it could be the chronic exhaustion though), the sooner he gets help, the better. lee Perhaps kindy will have better luck. CPS was out here for an interview and found no grounds to proceed with abuse (physical abuse was all she was looking for despite the fact that my report had nothing to do with that). If there is physical abuse going on, it does not appear to be leaving marks. |
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Jeff wrote:
lAt least, you can notify the school before he gets there. Can she do that without the parents' consent? Best wishes, Ericka |
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"Ericka Kammerer" wrote in message . .. Jeff wrote: lAt least, you can notify the school before he gets there. Can she do that without the parents' consent? Best wishes, Ericka No. |
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On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 15:37:21 GMT, "Stephanie"
wrote: Is there any chance he comes to you without eating breakfast? He eats breakfast at my house. It is afternoon snack time that he gets sick. I am curious about what you serve. Is it possible he has allergies? This sounds like he might have sensory issues as well. Has the child been seen by a developmental pediatrician or pediatric neurologist? This is a first step in diagnosing the delays. Any child who has not spoken at all by 4 should certainly be getting speech therapy at the least. -- Dorothy There is no sound, no cry in all the world that can be heard unless someone listens .. The Outer Limits |
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vomitting - why?
On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 17:23:00 GMT, "Stephanie"
wrote: At least when he hits Kindy next year (compulsory) *someone* will be looking a little more closely. Is K compulsory in your state? It's not in most. Arkansas, Connecticut, Delaware, DC, Maryland, New Mexico, Oklahoma, South Carolina and Virginia are the only places where school attendence is mandatory at 5. Several of these have parent waivers that allow children to be held out until they are 6 or 7. http://nces.ed.gov/programs/statereform/res_tab11.asp -- Dorothy There is no sound, no cry in all the world that can be heard unless someone listens .. The Outer Limits |
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vomitting - why?
"toto" wrote in message ... On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 15:37:21 GMT, "Stephanie" wrote: Is there any chance he comes to you without eating breakfast? He eats breakfast at my house. It is afternoon snack time that he gets sick. I am curious about what you serve. Is it possible he has allergies? Mytracking has yielded no pattern. This sounds like he might have sensory issues as well. Has the child been seen by a developmental pediatrician or pediatric neurologist? No. As discussed in the rest of the thread, I would be overjoyed if I could get Mom to make sure he has updated immunization records. This is a first step in diagnosing the delays. Any child who has not spoken at all by 4 should certainly be getting speech therapy at the least. I hear you. |
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"toto" wrote in message ... On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 17:23:00 GMT, "Stephanie" wrote: At least when he hits Kindy next year (compulsory) *someone* will be looking a little more closely. Is K compulsory in your state? It's not in most. Attendance becomes compulsory by age 6, whatever grade is deemed appropriate. K is not specifically compulsory. Sorry I was unclear. Arkansas, Connecticut, Delaware, DC, Maryland, New Mexico, Oklahoma, South Carolina and Virginia are the only places where school attendence is mandatory at 5. Several of these have parent waivers that allow children to be held out until they are 6 or 7. http://nces.ed.gov/programs/statereform/res_tab11.asp He will be 6 by September. -- Dorothy There is no sound, no cry in all the world that can be heard unless someone listens .. The Outer Limits |
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vomitting - why?
If I was a parent of another child in your care, I'd be unhappy that a child
was vomitting regularly, even though it seems unlikely it's infectious, there is always that possibility, it's also distressing for other children to see a child being sick regularly. Are home daycare providers mandatory reporters in the same way that daycares are? If the mum is not responding to your requests to take the child to the pediatrician when he is clearly not well, I think you'd have every reason to report, Think you'd be doing the child a favour, he needs to have his health problems diagnosed and treated/supported. Anne |
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