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POLL: Math questions regarding upper elementary school (xpost to m.k.)
Could you please answer the following questions IF you have a child
who has entered 4th grade. It's OK for your child to be older, but I only need information regarding 4th grade math for a client of mine. I need responses from *every* US state as well as from overseas. I'm looking for a wide dispersal of respondants, so if you have friends with kids in this age group, please don't hesitate to forward this. TIA! What State/Province/Country do you live in? What grade is your child(ren) currently in? Is your child in public or private school? (Please NO homeschooling!) Is your child in a gifted or Resource Room program? What math Texts does your child use? Has your child been introduced to the Stem and Leaf Plot at school? During what grade? Have you as a parent ever heard of a stem and leaf plot? From where did you learn about this? At what age? Can your child create his/her own stem and leaf plot? Could you explain a stem and leaf plot without the text to a friend or neighbor? Does your school use Connected Math? Thanks! Once I get results, I'll explain why I needed them. Right now I can't taint the data. Marjorie |
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POLL: Math questions regarding upper elementary school (xpost to m.k.)
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chiam margalit wrote: Could you please answer the following questions IF you have a child who has entered 4th grade. It's OK for your child to be older, but I only need information regarding 4th grade math for a client of mine. I need responses from *every* US state as well as from overseas. I'm looking for a wide dispersal of respondants, so if you have friends with kids in this age group, please don't hesitate to forward this. TIA! What State/Province/Country do you live in? Vermont What grade is your child(ren) currently in? 5th (subject accelerated for math) Is your child in public or private school? (Please NO homeschooling!) private now, but was in public for 4th grade math Is your child in a gifted or Resource Room program? no (but he probably would be in a gifted program if we had one) What math Texts does your child use? The public school he attended used Addison Wesley Scott Foresman "Math" program for K-2. That series includes student workbooks. They used a related program but with no workbooks for 3rd and above. I'm not exactly sure what it is though. They also have a separate and (IMO) excellent "problem solving curriculum" that I don't believe to currently be a commercial product, which is used beginning in 3rd grade to help prepare the children for the state math portfolio requirements. Has your child been introduced to the Stem and Leaf Plot at school? During what grade? Yes, in 4th grade math Have you as a parent ever heard of a stem and leaf plot? From where did you learn about this? At what age? Not until my son learned it (and I have a math degree, fwiw) Can your child create his/her own stem and leaf plot? Yes; he does not find this difficult. (But I don't think he really appreciated the benefits of using such a chart to express data.) Could you explain a stem and leaf plot without the text to a friend or neighbor? Yes Does your school use Connected Math? No Oh, by the way, while they were so busy doing stem and leaf charts and problem solving and whatnot, they didn't get to long division *at all* during 4th grade math. My overall take on the stem and leaf charts is that they're an odd thing to concentrate on in 4th grade (especially at the expense of basics like long division) and that 4th graders have little to gain from them, but that most 4th graders should have little difficulty understanding how to make them. They're not very complicated, just odd. fwiw, I don't believe that our current private school teaches stem and leaf charts in any grade (K-8). They definitely don't teach it in the elementary division (K-5). They don't use any text book for the elementary division math curriculum; they use their own curriculum. They *do* teach long division hth, --Robyn |
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POLL: Math questions regarding upper elementary school (xpost to m.k.)
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chiam margalit wrote: btw, you probably already know this, but stem-and-leaf plots are listed in the NCTM standards under Data Analysis and Probability for grades 6-8 which is why so many "newer" curricula introduce them: "discuss and understand the correspondence between data sets and their graphical representations, especially histograms, stem-and-leaf plots, box plots, and scatterplots" --Robyn |
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POLL: Math questions regarding upper elementary school (xpost to m.k.)
What State/Province/Country do you live in?
Texas What grade is your child(ren) currently in? 5th, 12th Is your child in public or private school? (Please NO homeschooling!) public Is your child in a gifted or Resource Room program? 5th(enrichment classes) 12th gifted What math Texts does your child use? I forget...can check if needed! Has your child been introduced to the Stem and Leaf Plot at school? No During what grade? Have you as a parent ever heard of a stem and leaf plot? No....and I'm a teacher(special ed preschool and adult ems) From where did you learn about this? At what age? Can your child create his/her own stem and leaf plot? dont think so--at leastnot pertaining to math! Could you explain a stem and leaf plot without the text to a friend or neighbor? No Does your school use Connected Math? Not used as that term Thanks! you're welcome! Kathi |
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POLL: Math questions regarding upper elementary school (xpost to m.k.)
In article , Robyn Kozierok wrote:
Have you as a parent ever heard of a stem and leaf plot? From where did you learn about this? At what age? Not until my son learned it (and I have a math degree, fwiw) I learned about stem-and-leaf plots about 1985 from Edward Tufte's beautiful book "The Visual Display of Quantitative Information". I did NOT get stem-and-leaf plots in school or college, but I was in theoretical math and computer science, neither of which are very concerned with the display of data. I routinely use stem-and-leaf plots to present histograms of grades to my classes. I generally have to explain them the first time I use them, as they still are not commonly known to college stuents. They are a handy, but rather minor tool in data display. I would not consider them an essential part of elementary education. -- Kevin Karplus http://www.soe.ucsc.edu/~karplus life member (LAB, Adventure Cycling, American Youth Hostels) Effective Cycling Instructor #218-ck (lapsed) Professor of Computer Engineering, University of California, Santa Cruz Undergraduate and Graduate Director, Bioinformatics Affiliations for identification only. |
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POLL: Math questions regarding upper elementary school (xpost to m.k.)
Robyn Kozierok writes:
btw, you probably already know this, but stem-and-leaf plots are listed in the NCTM standards under Data Analysis and Probability for grades 6-8 which is why so many "newer" curricula introduce them: "discuss and understand the correspondence between data sets and their graphical representations, especially histograms, stem-and-leaf plots, box plots, and scatterplots" Wow, this is dumb. You couldn't possibly find a real statistician who thinks this is an important thing to teach children at that age (or probably any age). It's hard to imagine how this could be on the curriculum, except that some teacher somewhere saw one and thought, "Oh, that looks cool." The question of whether the "stem-and-leaf plot" is actually a useful tool for children to understand statistical data probably didn't even come up. :-( It's also noteworthy that the text of the standard goes into some detail about histograms, box plots, and scatterplots, explaining what they are and what they are good for. While there's not a single word about the "stem-and-leaf plot" except for the statement, itself. Probably they couldn't even think of an example that it would actually be good for! Another step backwards for several million kids. :-( David desJardins |
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Graphs and US math standards (was poll)
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btw, you probably already know this, but stem-and-leaf plots are listed in the NCTM standards under Data Analysis and Probability for grades 6-8 which is why so many "newer" curricula introduce them: I was really amazed at http://t3.preservice.org/T0210285/in...ionalgoals.htm , which states "Although circle graphs are usually not taught by fifth grade, as Pothier and Nickerson explain in their article titled "Our Heritage: Learning Data-Management Skills Meaningfully", many students will still express interest. For example, in their data analysis project on family heritage, Nickerson found that her fifth graders "had made such good progress in their ability to draw bar graphs" and the interest level was so high, that introducing circle graphs did not cause any extra stress." Now, a circle graph (I looked it up) is nothing more or less than our old friend the pie chart. The idea that fifth-graders should have any trouble WHATSOEVER with the idea of a pie chart is causing ME some stress! Not to mention that they had "made such good progress" in drawing bar graphs. AAAAAAACCCCCKKKKK! --Helen |
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Graphs and US math standards (was poll)
In article , H Schinske wrote:
wrote: btw, you probably already know this, but stem-and-leaf plots are listed in the NCTM standards under Data Analysis and Probability for grades 6-8 which is why so many "newer" curricula introduce them: I was really amazed at http://t3.preservice.org/T0210285/in...ionalgoals.htm , which states "Although circle graphs are usually not taught by fifth grade, as Pothier and Nickerson explain in their article titled "Our Heritage: Learning Data-Management Skills Meaningfully", many students will still express interest. For example, in their data analysis project on family heritage, Nickerson found that her fifth graders "had made such good progress in their ability to draw bar graphs" and the interest level was so high, that introducing circle graphs did not cause any extra stress." Now, a circle graph (I looked it up) is nothing more or less than our old friend the pie chart. The idea that fifth-graders should have any trouble WHATSOEVER with the idea of a pie chart is causing ME some stress! Not to mention that they had "made such good progress" in drawing bar graphs. AAAAAAACCCCCKKKKK! Our school (a middling-rated public California school) starts bar charts in kindergarten, so I would expect 5th graders to be able to do them in their sleep. -- Kevin Karplus http://www.soe.ucsc.edu/~karplus life member (LAB, Adventure Cycling, American Youth Hostels) Effective Cycling Instructor #218-ck (lapsed) Professor of Computer Engineering, University of California, Santa Cruz Undergraduate and Graduate Director, Bioinformatics Affiliations for identification only. |
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POLL: Math questions regarding upper elementary school (xpost to m.k.)
chiam margalit wrote in :
Could you please answer the following questions IF you have a child who has entered 4th grade. It's OK for your child to be older, but I only need information regarding 4th grade math for a client of mine. I need responses from *every* US state as well as from overseas. I'm looking for a wide dispersal of respondants, so if you have friends with kids in this age group, please don't hesitate to forward this. TIA! [snip] Fourth grade is 9-10 yos isn't it? -- Penny Gaines |
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POLL: Math questions regarding upper elementary school (xpost to m.k.)
In article ,
Kevin Karplus wrote: In article , Robyn Kozierok wrote: Have you as a parent ever heard of a stem and leaf plot? From where did you learn about this? At what age? Not until my son learned it (and I have a math degree, fwiw) I learned about stem-and-leaf plots about 1985 from Edward Tufte's beautiful book "The Visual Display of Quantitative Information". I did NOT get stem-and-leaf plots in school or college, but I was in theoretical math and computer science, neither of which are very concerned with the display of data. My degree was theoretical ("pure") math and CS as well. But I did have 2 (required) semesters of probability and statistics --Robyn |
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