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Low Income Fathers, Child Support and Economic Oppression
On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:23:44 -0700, in article
, Bob Whiteside spewed forth.... "Ambiance" wrote in message . .. On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:27:25 -0700, in article o8JNg.7988$Mz3.6163@fed1read07, Chris spewed forth.... "pandora" wrote in message news:kM6dnaeLwYUlu5rYnZ2dnUVZ_qadnZ2d@scnresearch. com... "Andre Lieven" wrote in message ... "Gini" ) writes: "Hyerdahl" wrote ........................... There is no legal entity called "post conception choice", and that is because each party has times when they are able to choose and times when they cannot since the possible harm is housed in only one body. Obviously, men don't have the right to reach in and grab out the problem, nor can they have laws based on the control they gave up. == Well, is he 100% responsible or has he given up control? Moreover, authority follows responsibility. So, where is the man's *authority* to affect matters ? If he is granted NO authority, it is inconsistant to stick him with responsibility for what he is *prevented* from affecting. " Her body, her choice... HER *responsibility*. " Cool. So YOUR kids won't be supported by you. Hopefully, they won't be visited by you either. Spoken like a true feminazi. If you wouldn't consider supporting your children, you shouldn't get women pregnant. Things are changing, and now male birth control is in the future; no longer will guys be able to blame Women alone, for accidental conceptions. : ) Ah yes, the old feminist line. Sex is something men do to helpless, hapless women. Women don't get pregnant - Men get them pregnant. I predict the feminists will be against any male birth control pill. After all, if men can gain real control over their sperm women won't be able to collect all the free money from the government for baby whelping. They might actually have to stay with a man to continue their lifestyle. I'm not saying that women are helpless or some crap like that... I'm just saying that, often, when women get pregnant, guys complain about it. So, male birth control will hopefully shut them up, and they can then be responsible for their part. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Low Income Fathers, Child Support and Economic Oppression
Chris wrote: "Hyerdahl" wrote in message ups.com... Gini wrote: "Hyerdahl" wrote Gini wrote: "Hyerdahl" wrote ........................... There is no legal entity called "post conception choice", and that is because each party has times when they are able to choose and times when they cannot since the possible harm is housed in only one body. Obviously, men don't have the right to reach in and grab out the problem, nor can they have laws based on the control they gave up. == Well, is he 100% responsible or has he given up control? He is 100% responsible whether or not he has control. == And that make sense to you. Amusing. Well, it also makes sense to the Supreme Court, so I stand on good solid ground here. Care to quote just what the Supreme Court said that makes you believe so? The SC seems to support equal rights for women, in many cases, so they obviously would not be willing to give men special rights regarding support of their children. In any regard, it looks like the Supreme Court is your final ultimate moral compass. Is that correct? No, but it does tend to support my views....most of the time. |
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Low Income Fathers, Child Support and Economic Oppression
teachrmama wrote: "Hyerdahl" wrote in message ps.com... Chris wrote: "teachrmama" wrote in message ... "Hyerdahl" wrote in message oups.com... Gini wrote: "Hyerdahl" wrote ................... Men make the choice to RISK childbirth, whether or not they house the harm. == As do women. Indeed. So now you see why they share the expense of raising a child THEY co-create. And when it gets to the point that each parent has the child 50% of the time, and they inconvenience themselves to make sure that their child has 2 parents, then maybe we can talk about co-responsibility. Money is only a part of it. Parents are both responsible for their children whether or not they raise them; you didn't know that? Parents sould *both* have the blessing and joy of raising their children. Didn't you know that? No....and apparently, neither do the courts who usually award custody to the parent who was already providing primary care. After all, you don't want the child being raised in a hostile home inviorn. |
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"teachrmama" wrote in message ... "Moon Shyne" wrote in message ... "teachrmama" wrote in message ... "Hyerdahl" wrote in message oups.com... Gini wrote: "Hyerdahl" wrote ................... Men make the choice to RISK childbirth, whether or not they house the harm. == As do women. Indeed. So now you see why they share the expense of raising a child THEY co-create. And when it gets to the point that each parent has the child 50% of the time, and they inconvenience themselves to make sure that their child has 2 parents, then maybe we can talk about co-responsibility. Money is only a part of it. So how do you propose ensuring all parents to do their (at least) 50% of parenting? Do you have some plan to mandate and enforce this? Well, Moon, they had to get together to create the child so they can continue being close enough together to parent the child. At the very least, both parents should have the same options: to parent or not to parent, and if they bvoth choose to parent, and equal amount of time with the child. Your situation is not the norm. The majority of divorcing parents want to continue to parent their children. My question was not about who desires what - you stated that each parent has the child 50% of the time. I didn't bring *my* situation into it. My situation is no more the norm than yours is. I asked how you propose to make sure that 50% parenting happens - because in far too many cases, it doesn't. So again... How do you propose ensuring all parents to do their (at least) 50% of parenting? Do you have some plan to mandate and enforce this? |
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"teachrmama" wrote in message ... "Hyerdahl" wrote in message oups.com... ABarlow wrote: Hyerdahl wrote: Meldon Fens wrote: Actually, the child's "best interests" are determined on a case by case basis and sometimes it is NOT in a child's "best interests" to see their fathers. Fathers who are abusive or negligent are certainly in that category. Govts. only have so much money for social services and children will get that money long before fathers do. Sometimes it is not in the child's best interest to see their mothers either, but despite the fact that women are at least as likely to abuse children as men (women are actually considerably higher in terms of negligence and physical abuse, IIRC), women still seem to end up winning ~95% of custody cases. To the best of my knowledge, I have yet to hear any authority explain why this is the case. Apparently, the mothers who are gaining custody are those mothers who are not abusing or neglecting their children and who already were primary caregivers. You must also remember that fathers who walk away from their own children are no longer there to tend them. How about the mothers who take the children and walk away from the fathers? What should be done about that? Probably about the same thing that is done about fathers that walk away from the mothers and children. Not a whole hell of a lot. |
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On 13 Sep 2006 02:08:06 GMT, in article ,
Andre Lieven spewed forth.... Ambiance ) claims that women are non-sentient: On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:27:25 -0700, in article o8JNg.7988$Mz3.6163@fed1read07, Chris spewed forth.... "pandora" wrote in message news:kM6dnaeLwYUlu5rYnZ2dnUVZ_qadnZ2d@scnresearch. com... "Andre Lieven" wrote in message ... "Gini" ) writes: "Hyerdahl" wrote ........................... There is no legal entity called "post conception choice", and that is because each party has times when they are able to choose and times when they cannot since the possible harm is housed in only one body. Obviously, men don't have the right to reach in and grab out the problem, nor can they have laws based on the control they gave up. == Well, is he 100% responsible or has he given up control? Moreover, authority follows responsibility. So, where is the man's *authority* to affect matters ? If he is granted NO authority, it is inconsistant to stick him with responsibility for what he is *prevented* from affecting. " Her body, her choice... HER *responsibility*. " Cool. So YOUR kids won't be supported by you. Hopefully, they won't be visited by you either. Spoken like a true feminazi. If you wouldn't consider supporting your children, you shouldn't get women pregnant. laughs What, the women in question were all unconscious before, during and afterwards ? Plus, since women HAVE many post coital choices, the act of getting a woman pregnant does NOT mean that said woman MUST bear a child. Word-twisting. You know what I mean. It will then be the responsibility of BOTH partners to prevent pregnancy.... that's my point, idiot. Your fcats are un-coordinated, and garbled. My what? Things are changing, and now male birth control is in the future; no longer will guys be able to blame Women alone, for accidental conceptions. : ) No one pays *child* support for " conceptions ". Yes, Feminists ARE that dumb ! The ignorance is all yours, Andre. You DO know that a conception results in a child... right??? -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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"Hyerdahl" wrote in message oups.com... teachrmama wrote: "Hyerdahl" wrote in message ps.com... Chris wrote: "teachrmama" wrote in message ... "Hyerdahl" wrote in message oups.com... Gini wrote: "Hyerdahl" wrote ................... Men make the choice to RISK childbirth, whether or not they house the harm. == As do women. Indeed. So now you see why they share the expense of raising a child THEY co-create. And when it gets to the point that each parent has the child 50% of the time, and they inconvenience themselves to make sure that their child has 2 parents, then maybe we can talk about co-responsibility. Money is only a part of it. Parents are both responsible for their children whether or not they raise them; you didn't know that? Parents sould *both* have the blessing and joy of raising their children. Didn't you know that? No....and apparently, neither do the courts who usually award custody to the parent who was already providing primary care. After all, you don't want the child being raised in a hostile home inviorn. Let me guess . . . You define "providing primary care" as those tasks performed by mothers like breast feeding, changing diapers, dressing the child, going to meet with teachers, etc. And you exclude from your definition of "providing primary care" father oriented tasks like earning money, do maintenance on the home, teaching the child to assert themselves and take risks, etc. BTW - The primary care child custody standard has not been the law in any state for years. The current standard is the "best interest of the child" standard. Unfortunately, the judges are still using the primary care standard to determine custody when the law says they should be using the best interests standard. That is one of the reasons why fathers complain about judicial bias. |
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"Hyerdahl" wrote Chris wrote: "Hyerdahl" wrote Gini wrote: .......................................... Well, is he 100% responsible or has he given up control? He is 100% responsible whether or not he has control. == And that make sense to you. Amusing. Well, it also makes sense to the Supreme Court, so I stand on good solid ground here. Care to quote just what the Supreme Court said that makes you believe so? The SC seems to support equal rights for women, in many cases, so they obviously would not be willing to give men special rights regarding support of their children. == LOL! Now there's legal authority for ya! |
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Low Income Fathers, Child Support and Economic Oppression
"Ambiance" wrote in message . .. On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:27:25 -0700, in article o8JNg.7988$Mz3.6163@fed1read07, Chris spewed forth.... "pandora" wrote in message news:kM6dnaeLwYUlu5rYnZ2dnUVZ_qadnZ2d@scnresearch. com... "Andre Lieven" wrote in message ... "Gini" ) writes: "Hyerdahl" wrote ........................... There is no legal entity called "post conception choice", and that is because each party has times when they are able to choose and times when they cannot since the possible harm is housed in only one body. Obviously, men don't have the right to reach in and grab out the problem, nor can they have laws based on the control they gave up. == Well, is he 100% responsible or has he given up control? Moreover, authority follows responsibility. So, where is the man's *authority* to affect matters ? If he is granted NO authority, it is inconsistant to stick him with responsibility for what he is *prevented* from affecting. " Her body, her choice... HER *responsibility*. " Cool. So YOUR kids won't be supported by you. Hopefully, they won't be visited by you either. Spoken like a true feminazi. If you wouldn't consider supporting your children, you shouldn't get women pregnant. Things are changing, and now male birth control is in the future; no longer will guys be able to blame Women alone, for accidental conceptions. : ) Perhaps it is also reasonable to say that a woman who is unable to support a child shouldn't get pregnant. With the nonstop whine we have seen in this thread about poor widdle women and the tewwible burden of carrying the child, that might be the best solution of all. |
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"Ambiance" wrote in message . .. On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 19:23:44 -0700, in article , Bob Whiteside spewed forth.... "Ambiance" wrote in message . .. On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:27:25 -0700, in article o8JNg.7988$Mz3.6163@fed1read07, Chris spewed forth.... "pandora" wrote in message news:kM6dnaeLwYUlu5rYnZ2dnUVZ_qadnZ2d@scnresearch. com... "Andre Lieven" wrote in message ... "Gini" ) writes: "Hyerdahl" wrote ........................... There is no legal entity called "post conception choice", and that is because each party has times when they are able to choose and times when they cannot since the possible harm is housed in only one body. Obviously, men don't have the right to reach in and grab out the problem, nor can they have laws based on the control they gave up. == Well, is he 100% responsible or has he given up control? Moreover, authority follows responsibility. So, where is the man's *authority* to affect matters ? If he is granted NO authority, it is inconsistant to stick him with responsibility for what he is *prevented* from affecting. " Her body, her choice... HER *responsibility*. " Cool. So YOUR kids won't be supported by you. Hopefully, they won't be visited by you either. Spoken like a true feminazi. If you wouldn't consider supporting your children, you shouldn't get women pregnant. Things are changing, and now male birth control is in the future; no longer will guys be able to blame Women alone, for accidental conceptions. : ) Ah yes, the old feminist line. Sex is something men do to helpless, hapless women. Women don't get pregnant - Men get them pregnant. I predict the feminists will be against any male birth control pill. After all, if men can gain real control over their sperm women won't be able to collect all the free money from the government for baby whelping. They might actually have to stay with a man to continue their lifestyle. I'm not saying that women are helpless or some crap like that... I'm just saying that, often, when women get pregnant, guys complain about it. So, male birth control will hopefully shut them up, and they can then be responsible for their part. And you haven't noticed some of the women in this thread complaining about the terrible, risky burdens of pregnancy, which automatically entitles them to 2 decades of having the hapless man with whom they enjoyed wild and passionate sex support them so they can support the child? |
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