Bad news for liars, good news for kids

"David Wright" wrote in message
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"Peter Bowditch" wrote in message
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State's autism rises despite vaccine change

No vacs for my kids thank you. And there is nothing you can do to change
that. Now this is the part where you get to blather, so please do.

Nah, we're all just going to sit here and admire how tough you are,
you big ol' he-man, you.


OK, you can get off your knees now.

"Jan Drew" wrote in message
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On Jan 8, 9:46 am, "t" wrote:
"Peter Bowditch" wrote in message

.. State's autism rises despite vaccine change

No vacs for my kids thank you.


No kids for you; thank you for not breeding!

ROTFLOL!!

Do tell us if you have kids. Knowing you life style, they would have to
be adopted.


And there is nothing you can do to change
that.

Yup, some chose a life of celibacy

And some are GAY!!


Well, THAT would explain a lot!

"David Wright" wrote in message
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rpautrey2 wrote:
DW: Does anybody like you or do you have any friends? I feel sorry for
you. Paul

Save it. I have plenty of friends, and a girlfriend. Also, I've got
a bit of a history with ol' tools there. Plus, bragging about not
having your kids vaccinated is not something I think should be taken
lightly.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"[Being against Gardasil] is like being against a cure for
blindness because it'll encourage masturbation." -- Bill Maher


On Jan 8, 8:50 pm, (David Wright) wrote:

Nah, we're all just going to sit here and admire how tough you are,
you big ol' he-man, you.

Not bragging Boo Boo, just the facts. If you want to give your children
vacs, go for it. I chose not to and mine have grown up healthy.

Debbee wrote:

On Jan 8, 7:55*pm, Peter Bowditch wrote:


Have you thought of having a psych workup, Jan?

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Actually, I was just thinking along those same lines, Peter, after you
got the notion that Jan wanted to do you!! Poor Jan, I can only guess
what the side effects of that comment did to her!! It's probably
going to
cost you too!! I'm only guessing that she will be in therapy for a
long time,
trying to get that disgusting thought out of her brain!! LOL

Hey, it was you who suggested it. And I had to up therapy to four
extra sessions a week just for thinking about it.

--
Peter Bowditch aa #2243
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

In article ,
t wrote:

"David Wright" wrote in message
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In article
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rpautrey2 wrote:
DW: Does anybody like you or do you have any friends? I feel sorry for
you. Paul

Save it. I have plenty of friends, and a girlfriend. Also, I've got
a bit of a history with ol' tools there. Plus, bragging about not
having your kids vaccinated is not something I think should be taken
lightly.

On Jan 8, 8:50 pm, (David Wright) wrote:

Nah, we're all just going to sit here and admire how tough you are,
you big ol' he-man, you.

Not bragging Boo Boo, just the facts. If you want to give your children
vacs, go for it. I chose not to and mine have grown up healthy.

That's because you're a parasite who is benefitting from the fact that
other parents *do* vaccinate. Pardon me for being unimpressed with
you, leech.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at copper.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"[Being against Gardasil] is like being against a cure for
blindness because it'll encourage masturbation." -- Bill Maher

Debbee wrote:
On Jan 7, 10:32 pm, Mark wrote:
l).
Having earned my medical degree from the University of Kentucky (and
thankfully, never having encountered "Dr." Boyd Hayley), I can only
state the obvious: nutjobs can crawl out of the woodwork anywhere.
Aus has its Carole, Kentucky has its Boyd...even Costa Rica has its
[wipe the slime from my keyboard] Ilena, and Indiana, home of James
Dean, has its Jan.

None of this means that Kentucky, Indiana, Costa Rica or Australia
have lost all sensible thought. It just means that these places
tolerate the cranks and the "problem children" rather than just
stuffing them in a place where they would be relegated to jabbering at
each other ad nauseum...we're a compassionate bunch, I should say.

Let us celebrate our tolerance of those unfortunate enough to have
been born lacking the gene that codes for rational thought.

Mark, I still haven't made up my mind on this controversial subject of
vaccines; due to the fact that special ingredient is still contained
in flu shots.

Let's do this step by step for you.

There are people who claim that the preservative, Thimerosal, a form of
ethyl mercury, caused autism.

Some of them went so far to claim that there is an epidemic of autism
cause by Thimerosal.

Their proof was based on the increasing caseloads of the CDDS. This was
their gold standard of proof.

Then, the FDA ordered that Thimerosal be removed from childhood
vaccines, and, by 2002 there were virtually no Thimerosal vaccines left.
Childhood vaccines came in Thimerosal free formulations.

The next step was to watch the CDDS caseloads. As David Kirby, a paid
for author of the anti-vaccinationsts said, if the numbers do not
decrease, the argument for the link is in trouble. He did move the
goalposts a few times.

Now, the key numbers to watch are the 3-5 year old birth cohort since
this is the age range where Autism is most commonly diagnosed.
Accordingly, if Thimerosal caused autism, or triggered a pre-disposition
these numbers should go down when Thimerosal was removed.

The study found that the numbers did not go down. In fact, the study
found that the numbers contiued to rise.

Simply put, there is no link between injected mercury salts and autism.

Period.

Take all the time to make up your mind. You probably have not accepted
the fact that the earth is round


However,
what I would like to propose to all of you "scientific minds" (as you
so
like to claim you have), is that consumers know what exactly is in
the vaccine that they are getting so that they can make a responsible
choice with their physician whether to take the vaccine or not. I'd
like
to see a Material Data Safety Sheet on every ingredient in the
vaccine,
and some accountability from doctors such as yourself, so if you
propose
that XXXX vaccine is the the right drug of choice, that you are held
accountable
for your actions if the person were to die or get sick from that
vaccine. Keeping
in the same lines, I'd like to see a doctor have to put his
malpractice insurance
information on a sheet, given to the consumer PRIOR to the doctor or
nurse giving
the vaccine, so there is some kind of documentation that will assume
100% responsibility
that if in the future that this vaccine contains dangerous chemicals
that you, or your employer
will take full responsibility. Along the lines that chemical
manufacturer's must do today, naming
the ingredients of their product. As a consumer advocate, unless you
are willing to "put up," then
instead of making the nasty cracks you have made against individuals
that do not share your
opinion, a great option for you would be to be adult enough and
professional enough not to make
the cracks you have made towards the consumers you have named, as if
you feel you are way
better than they are.

Consumers have the right to question your credentials, your ethics,
and your opinions. You aren't
"all that and a bag of potato chips too." All products that consumers
buy should have some kind
of warranty, and vaccines should be included. What a wonderful
opportunity for a consumer group,
like Quackwatch that openly states that they are to want to protect
the public, and get themselves involved
for making sure that a MSDS sheet is available for the consumer, and
making doctors like yourself have to take
potential risks. When you, and the rest of your scientific minded
individuals are willing to put up this kind of
documentation to the consumer, let me know. Then, only then, will
those with "scientific minds" that claim
that vaccines are the right choice, will be accountable for their
actions.

Would it be possible that there was another magic ingredient in those
vaccines that the public is not aware of?

Kentucky? isn't that where Ken Ham set up camp, after he left
Australia?

By the way, who funded that study? List the company, and those that
supported it.

Thank you.

Peter Bowditch wrote:

I never said I didn't. Because it was copyright I employed the
doctrine of fair comment and only quoted enough to whet someone's
appetite. Then I provided a link to the full article.

That's the way the world works. I'm sorry if it is too complicated for
you to grasp.

Peter, it is called fair use, and is perfectly legal.

http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html

These guys should know.

Debbee wrote:
On Jan 8, 7:55 pm, Peter Bowditch wrote:

Have you thought of having a psych workup, Jan?

--
Actually, I was just thinking along those same lines, Peter,

GREAT! You are finally going to seek help!

Mark Probert wrote:

Peter Bowditch wrote:

I never said I didn't. Because it was copyright I employed the
doctrine of fair comment and only quoted enough to whet someone's
appetite. Then I provided a link to the full article.

That's the way the world works. I'm sorry if it is too complicated for
you to grasp.

Peter, it is called fair use, and is perfectly legal.

http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html

These guys should know.

Fair comment, fair use, whatever. (I have most contact with copyright
law when writing book reviews, where the word "comment" is more
applicable.)

It's a pity that people around here don't know.

--
Peter Bowditch aa #2243
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

"Carole" wrote in message
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"Peter Moran" wrote in message
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I cannot agree that this is so. Most societies work hard at having a
well-educated population. And the wise person does understand their own
limitations. When I have a urological or orthopoedic problem I defer to
experts in those fields.

I believe in education, the more the better.
However, what has happened today, in our society, is that education has
been
hijacked by vested interests, same with research. All forms of science are
now corrupted. And the problem is that most of the educated ones just go
along with the system.

Well it is interesting that one of the most common complaints among critics
of alt.med is that the education system produces people with such poor
understanding of science, and so little in the way of critical thinking
skills, that they are a sitting target for frauds and quacks. So who are
these vested interests?



People should think for themselves because the experts aren't always
right
and often get used by vested interests to push for dubious purposes.

That is true, but it applies equally (at minimum) to those pushing
alternative theories and products (including yourself).

That is true, there are plenty is charlatans and misguided people in
alternative medicine.

Whence the
assumption that they can be trusted ? Any decision still has to be
based
upon the available evidence, and if you dismiss the evidence of one side
as
always tainted you are simply responding to your own biases. Mostly
alt.med is the leavings of the mainstream, theories that have been well
tried out and found wanting. Do you ever take the pains to try and
understand why they have been dropped?

The reason some alternative remedies are dropped isn't because they don't
work, but rather they don't fit the mindset of the ruling elite.

If you mean that they are superceded because of better understanding of
illness or human health, that sometimes happens. For example the idea of
the colon as a "cesspool" needing cleansing began within the mainstream to
explain certain illnesses. As other explanations were found for many of
those illnesses the idea fell into disrepute and it now persists only within
alternative medicine. We also now undertand what toxins are produced in
the colon and how they are removed by the liver and how they only cause
problems in those with seriously impaired liver function. We also know
how difficult it is to actually keep the colon "clean".

All these things feed into what you choose to regard as a "mindset".
Similar reasoning can be applied to other alt.med anachronisms.


Anything
that challenges their supremacy is a threat and put down.

So doctors just don't care about their patients?

Why would you assume that because therapies are dropped because they don't
work?

I know exactly why they are dropped and it is for a combination of reasons.
Partly that is because they don't work noticeably, or they have been put to
proper clinical study. If they obviously worked they would not have been
dropped regardless.




What we can fault some for is the arrogant assurance that their own
half-baked medical beliefs are undoubtedly correct and their refusal
to
even
look at overwhelmingly contrary evidence. The thiomerosal-autism
things
is
only the latest of many dearly held alt theories that have been proved
wrong, but that doesn't seem to register either..

I haven't got "arrogant assurance", what I've got is reasoned belief
rather
than taking at face value everything from "experts" and "reliable
sources"

But you are taking heaps of matters "at face value" about cell salts.
Science offers you ways of ensuring that making sure you are not fooling
yourself (meaning that the effects you think you observe are placebo-
related). The main difference between the mainstream and alternative
medicine lies therein.

I don't cellsalts at face value. I've tried different alternative
remedies,
but cellsalts delivers what it claims.
Also cellsalts are scientific. There are plenty of studies to show that
minerals are needed for vital functions and general wellbeing.
The difference between you and me is that if I feel a bit anxious I will
take calcium supplements, whereas you will take valium.

No I won't take anything. It is a normal part of life.

If I get underarm
odour I will take silica tablets, but you will spray on some deodorant,
etc.
Do you think that valium is an essential ingredient needed by the body, or
that underarm deodorant is anything but a coverup?

I know with a high degree of certainty that in the examples you are
mentioning the agents used are working as placebo -- that you would be
unable to tell any difference if you were given a placebo instead and you
didn't realise it. There is no shame in that, and nothing much wrong with
that, except when you translate your experiences into a scientific judgement
and start accusing the medical profession of underhand behaviour if they
don't share your views. We are assuming you are sincere in your beliefs,
and we should be entitled to similar consideration in return.

PM


Carole
www.cellsalts.net



PM



who are, either wittingly or unwittingly, serving the interests of
various
cartels, where science is twisted and incomplete with all concept of
the
ether being removed.
In a world where knowledge is power, they prefer to keep the people in
the
dark -- so much easier to control that way.




Carole
www.cellsalts.net


PM