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Dan Sullivan wrote:
On Jun 28, 9:48 am, " krp" wrote:
"0:-]" wrote in message

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You must remember to Kane, Ron and the other CPS apologists, any time
you provide information that suggests that their Emperor is naked, really
****es them off Greg. Then it becomes a "personal" war for them. They
can't
destroy the message so they try to kill the messenger. In their world
there
is only ONE view, theirs. Which, of course, is why there is such a problem
with the CPS system.
Apparently you are behind in your reading. All of us have criticized
CPS in the past...
Your criticism of CPS is generally because they don't go FAR enough for
you. Kane you are the wolf in the sheep's pen here. To anyone facing false
allegations getting advice from YOU would be SUICIDE.

Many people have been reunited with their children because of Kane's
advice.

I can tell you his insight regarding CPS has been a part of every case
I've worked on in the last six years or so.

Don is the CPS scum who spammed his states most vulnerable children to
usenet perverts for his own sick gain. He is a morally bankrupt
individual -- and has proved it beyond any doubt.


That includes the wrongly accused and the correctly accused.

Don/Kane/d'geezer has proved who and what s/he is right here on ASCPS -
a parent hating liar who will use any means to protect his precious CPS.

Don has spent his life destroying innosents. He just wants tro scream it
ain't so before you-know-who gets to give him his due. lol.


You're just a mouthpiece for the system.
Which is why you attack anyone standing up for
the wrongly accused.

He has never attacked me, ever.

His posts to ASCPS proves he is a parent hating koo-koo who has falsely
accused anyone who dares disagree with his delusions. lol.


In fact quite the opposite is true.

You mean Don is your SO?? Sheesh - that explains it.


Dan Sullivan



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0:-] wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 13:46:31 GMT, " krp" wrote:

"Ron" wrote in message
...

Imagine that, 6.4 children die at the hands of the very agencies that
are
supposed to protect them and only 1.5 at the hands of parents per
100,000
children. CPS perpetrates more abuse, neglect, and sexual abuse and
kills
more children then parents in the United States. If the citizens of
this
country hold CPS to the same standards that they hold parents too. No
judge should ever put another child in the hands of ANY government
agency
because CPS nationwide is guilty of more harm and death than any
human
being combined. CPS nationwide is guilty of more human rights
violations
and deaths of children then the homes from which they were removed.
When
are the judges going to wake up and see that they are sending
children to
their death and a life of abuse when children are removed from safe
homes
based on the mere opinion of a bunch of social workers.
Still waiting on an answer fx. Why do you continue to knowingly post
false
information with each of your posts?
Perhaps if you wish to complain about the "false information" you
could post proof that it is false?
You must remember to Kane, Ron and the other CPS apologists, any time
you provide information that suggests that their Emperor is naked, really
****es them off Greg.
To a point you are correct kenny. It does tend to irritate me a bit, but
then again these "suggestions" are lies, proven to be lies, and everyone
should object to that. Why don't you? Why do you continue to support
points of view that have been proven to be false time and again kenny?

don't it becomes a "personal" war for them. They can't destroy the
message so they try to kill the messenger. In their world there is only
ONE view, theirs. Which, of course, is why there is such a problem with
the CPS system.
My views are supported by fact kenny. Verifiable, posted, fact. fx and
gregg cannot claim the same. And if they were to it is quite easy to
point out the errors in their theories with the facts.
No Ron your views are supported by bull**** you and the CPS people CALL
facts.

The come right out of the federal government data base created charts,
krp.

You calling them liars?

Of course they're liars. Didn't you read the NJ report. Seems CPS scum
are nearly incapable of telling the truth.

In case you missed it,

http://library.adoption.com/laws-and...le/5835/1.html

CPS has a vested interest in covering the fact that they give vulnerable
children to know abusers and molesters -and allow children to remain
being abused and molested - just so they [CPS] can 'save face'.

Don/Kane/d'geezer, you are our poster 'boy' for scumbags willing to lie
through their teeth to avoid responsibility for their unconscionable
behavior.


Lots of **** is "posted"" Ron and it is bull****.

Ron is usually good enough to post the link to the source of what he
contributes...something you consistently fail to do, after your bogus
outrageous claims.

To me the true test
is challenging those "facts" where the evidence supporting both sides is put
to the test of credibility.

Are you suggesting the feds "'facts'" are not credible and you have
facts that are? Have you bothered to read the sources for fx "facts,"
krp?

Nut case conspiracy theorists etc.

Do you, for instance, believe their "fact" that plane loads of foster
children were shipped out of the country for sales as sex slaves?

Or that DC bigwigs have been taking foster children to use for sex
slaves then murdering them when they get too old?

That's what fx has posted at 'fact,' krp.

In a court where BULL**** you read in "POSTS"
doesn't cut it.

I absolutely agree. I want to see RON'S proof, which he provides by
link, and I'm very familiar with myself, from having quoted them here
and linked to them.

Now YOU provide the links for support of what you think are contrary
facts, krp.

Where purse **** like your pal's claims of EXPERTISE on
Cuba

You are lying. I not only showed you were I got the information, I
linked directly to it. Then you proceeded to disclaim that information
as tourist bull****.

would get him yanked off the witness stand by the bailiff.

If I provided the federal data and their charts as Ron did?

I don't so.

I think if YOU were up there, and made some of the claims you've made
here and were asked for you sources, and you followed up as you do
here, (not), you'd be in jail for contempt after telling the judge HE
had to provide support for YOUR lies before YOU were going to give up
the source.

Exactly what you've tried to pull with me and others here.

You are a liar. Not even a good one. Just a loud and stupid one.

Now show us YOUR proof as Ron showed HIS in earlier posts, and I have
shown similar proof for the federal numbers that disproves the
nonsense fx cuts and pastes from the loonie bin sources that NEVER
provide actual proof.

Give it up, krp. You are outed.

Kane




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On Jun 28, 11:25 am, Chas wrote:
Dan Sullivan wrote:
On Jun 28, 9:48 am, " krp" wrote:
"0:-]" wrote in message

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You must remember to Kane, Ron and the other CPS apologists, any time
you provide information that suggests that their Emperor is naked, really
****es them off Greg. Then it becomes a "personal" war for them. They
can't
destroy the message so they try to kill the messenger. In their world
there
is only ONE view, theirs. Which, of course, is why there is such a problem
with the CPS system.
Apparently you are behind in your reading. All of us have criticized
CPS in the past...
Your criticism of CPS is generally because they don't go FAR enough for
you. Kane you are the wolf in the sheep's pen here. To anyone facing false
allegations getting advice from YOU would be SUICIDE.

Many people have been reunited with their children because of Kane's
advice.

I can tell you his insight regarding CPS has been a part of every case
I've worked on in the last six years or so.

Don is the CPS scum who spammed his states most vulnerable children to
usenet perverts for his own sick gain.

I don't know if any of that is true.

Got proof?

He is a morally bankrupt
individual -- and has proved it beyond any doubt.

Not in my book.

That includes the wrongly accused and the correctly accused.

Don/Kane/d'geezer has proved who and what s/he is right here on ASCPS -
a parent hating liar who will use any means to protect his precious CPS.

How can you claim someone has proved who they are when you don't know
if they're male or female "s/he" ???

Don has spent his life destroying innosents. He just wants tro scream it
ain't so before you-know-who gets to give him his due. lol.

A lifetime of destroying innocents?

Is that as accurate a claim as your "s/he" commment?

You're just a mouthpiece for the system.
Which is why you attack anyone standing up for
the wrongly accused.

He has never attacked me, ever.

His posts to ASCPS proves he is a parent hating koo-koo who has falsely
accused anyone who dares disagree with his delusions. lol.

Thru me he has helped many parents get their kids back from CPS.

In fact quite the opposite is true.

You mean Don is your SO?? Sheesh - that explains it.

Ahhh, you never change, Dennis.

You never let the facts or common sense interfere with your delusions.

krp wrote
You must remember [that] to Kane, Ron and the
other CPS apologists, any time you provide information
that suggests that their Emperor is naked, really ****es
them off Greg. Then it becomes a "personal" war for
them. They can't destroy the message so they try to
kill the messenger. In their world there is only ONE
view, theirs. Which, of course, is why there is such
a problem with the CPS system.

Yep!

Kane AKA d'geezer AKA dgenius AKA Donald L. Fisher of Oregon wrote
Apparently you are behind in your reading. All of us have criticized
CPS in the past...

krp wrote
Your criticism of CPS is generally because they don't go FAR enough for
you. Kane you are the wolf in the sheep's pen here. To anyone facing false
allegations getting advice from YOU would be SUICIDE.

Dan Sullivan wrote
Many people have been reunited with their
children because of Kane's advice.

And the proof of this is a whole collection of other "system sucks"
and people who were butt buddies with you guys long before
any supposed case, right?

One spoke before legislators on election day.
That one also uses at least 5 names.

Several other of these ""references"" seem to
be nothing but anonymous internet "socks".

I can tell you his insight regarding CPS
has been a part of every case I've worked
on in the last six years or so.

That includes the wrongly accused and the correctly accused.

Caseworkers, former caseworkers, social workers, Fosters
and Former fosters.

krp wrote
You're just a mouthpiece for the system.
Which is why you attack anyone standing up for
the wrongly accused.

Dan Sullivan wrote
He has never attacked me, ever.

Wouldn't that be hard to do when he's lodged in your buttocks?

Dan Sullivan wrote
In fact quite the opposite is true.

When he washes your back do you use a loofa or a sponge?

Or do you save that for when you're both in drag
and ""infiltrating"" Family Rights groups you oppose?

"Dan Sullivan" wrote in message
oups.com...

You must remember to Kane, Ron and the other CPS apologists, any
time
you provide information that suggests that their Emperor is naked,
really
****es them off Greg. Then it becomes a "personal" war for them. They
can't
destroy the message so they try to kill the messenger. In their world
there
is only ONE view, theirs. Which, of course, is why there is such a
problem
with the CPS system.
Apparently you are behind in your reading. All of us have criticized
CPS in the past...

Your criticism of CPS is generally because they don't go FAR enough
for
you. Kane you are the wolf in the sheep's pen here. To anyone facing
false
allegations getting advice from YOU would be SUICIDE.

Many people have been reunited with their children because of Kane's
advice.

Sorry Don, I don't believe it.

I can tell you his insight regarding CPS has been a part of every case
I've worked on in the last six years or so.

Well then you are painting yourself with his brush Don.

That includes the wrongly accused and the correctly accused.

The correctly accused can worry about themselves. I am worried about the
kids of the wrongly accused parents and half-assed CPS agencies.

You're just a mouthpiece for the system. Which is why you attack anyone
standing up for
the wrongly accused.

He has never attacked me, ever.

`But then you never really take on CPS for all the anti-family policies they
espouse, have you?

In fact quite the opposite is true.

That's because CPS agents Kane and Ron see you as a "FELLOW TRAVELER."

"0:-]" wrote in message
...

My views are supported by fact kenny. Verifiable, posted, fact. fx and
gregg cannot claim the same. And if they were to it is quite easy to
point out the errors in their theories with the facts.

No Ron your views are supported by bull**** you and the CPS people
CALL
facts.

The come right out of the federal government data base created charts,
krp.
You calling them liars?

At times - Kane? YES! I have seen the Feds abuse the **** out of the
data at their disposal. Good example is in child support statistics. The
REAL stats on who abuses children is another. TRY to find accurate data on
the children abused while IN the system's care and control.

Lots of **** is "posted"" Ron and it is bull****.

Ron is usually good enough to post the link to the source of what he
contributes...something you consistently fail to do, after your bogus
outrageous claims.

I was more referring to political bull****. You know, like "CHILDREN
NEVER LIE" the "Sexual Abuse Accommodation Syndrome" the old BULL**** that
"Only 2% of the allegations of abuse allegations in divorce cases turn out
to be untrue" and that kind of galloping horse ****. Not to mention your
HERO'S website as another example.

"0:-]" wrote in message
...

Your criticism of CPS is generally because they don't go FAR enough
for
you. Kane you are the wolf in the sheep's pen here. To anyone facing false
allegations getting advice from YOU would be SUICIDE.

Do you have some examples, that you can provide a LINK to, krp, where
I have given advice that would be suicide?


LINK Kane? No didn't save it. But thinking about your advice to just
blindly cooperate with the CPS folks and DO what they say. (Performance
agreements, etc.) Which is tacit agreement to surrender legal JURISDICTION
to them to run your family . BAD BAD BAD legal advice Kane. They should
always seek out legal counsel and NOT you!

"Greegor" wrote in message
oups.com...

You must remember [that] to Kane, Ron and the
other CPS apologists, any time you provide information
that suggests that their Emperor is naked, really ****es
them off Greg. Then it becomes a "personal" war for
them. They can't destroy the message so they try to
kill the messenger. In their world there is only ONE
view, theirs. Which, of course, is why there is such
a problem with the CPS system.

Yep!

Kane AKA d'geezer AKA dgenius AKA Donald L. Fisher of Oregon wrote
Apparently you are behind in your reading. All of us have criticized
CPS in the past...

You know Kane's claims strike me the same way as listening to some south
Georgia cracker trying to tell me he isn't a racist with the claim; 'some of
my best friends are n-word!" I just reject bull**** when it starts covering
my shoes.

On Jun 28, 2:36 pm, " krp" wrote:
"Dan Sullivan" wrote in message

oups.com...





You must remember to Kane, Ron and the other CPS apologists, any
time
you provide information that suggests that their Emperor is naked,
really
****es them off Greg. Then it becomes a "personal" war for them. They
can't
destroy the message so they try to kill the messenger. In their world
there
is only ONE view, theirs. Which, of course, is why there is such a
problem
with the CPS system.
Apparently you are behind in your reading. All of us have criticized
CPS in the past...

Your criticism of CPS is generally because they don't go FAR enough
for
you. Kane you are the wolf in the sheep's pen here. To anyone facing
false
allegations getting advice from YOU would be SUICIDE.
Many people have been reunited with their children because of Kane's
advice.

Sorry Don, I don't believe it.

My name is Dan... not Don.

And I can't tell you how much sleep I'm gonig to miss because you
don't believe it.

I can tell you his insight regarding CPS has been a part of every case
I've worked on in the last six years or so.

Well then you are painting yourself with his brush Don.

That includes the wrongly accused and the correctly accused.

The correctly accused can worry about themselves. I am worried about the
kids of the wrongly accused parents and half-assed CPS agencies.

???

You're just a mouthpiece for the system. Which is why you attack anyone
standing up for
the wrongly accused.
He has never attacked me, ever.

`But then you never really take on CPS for all the anti-family policies they
espouse, have you?

For "all" the anti-family policies?

Have you taken on CPS for "all" the anti-family policies, Ken?

And if so, please post the citations with URLs for verification.

Surely with all the pro family work you've done over the years you'll
be able to post the citations for a substantial number of your
successes.

And for you to imply I've never taken on CPS just proves you have no
idea what I've done to help people prevail over CPS... reversing bad
findings of CAN and getting children back from fostercare.

And a few criminal cases.

In fact quite the opposite is true.

That's because CPS agents Kane and Ron see you as a "FELLOW TRAVELER."

How would you know how Kane or Ron see me?

And I'm on record disagreeing with Kane and Ron on a number of issues.

Kane wrote
'Fraid not. I think they would not be terribly
happy with my helping folks as I do.

Why would they care how many butt buddies
and sock puppets you PRETEND you helped?

krp wrote
Which is why you attack anyone standing
up for the wrongly accused.

Kane wrote
You mean like Greg? Greg Hansen who advised a women who had just
recovered her children from CPS to, in another case, step right up
with the evidence she had broken the two party recording law in her
state to challenge this "unfair law," and risk being charged with a
crime, possibly arrested, and possibly end up in jail...with CPS
coming for her children again?

That "anyone," krp?

You're talking about ""lostintranslation"" Kim Olson of CT
"lazyvegan"?
She of the mysterious 20 second audio clip with her name in it?
Famous for addressing lawmakers on election day?

Where DOES she work anyway?


Kane wrote
The same Greg that attaches like a blood sucking leech to anyone
coming here to seek advice and information, and tries to get them to
follow HIS example....one of SIX PLUS YEARS of having sabotaged his
girlfriends attempts to have her child returned from state custody?

That 'anyone,' krp?

Should I NAME the public defenders who failed
to afford their client a VIGOROUS defense?
Who fought like limp dishrags?
Who "sold out" the family?
Who urged the "stipulation scam" and promised
to protect against a bad service plan and then
when they saw the plan later, promptly WITHDREW?

Did you really think we shunned legal counsel
and started PRO SE pleadings right off the bat?

Finding a public defender who is not a complete
stooge for the DHS plan is very hard.

Even finding a PAID attorney who will afford
parents a VIGOROUS REPRESENTATION
against CPS (The State) is extremely difficult.

Read his "pleading," and his House Ways and Means Committee Hearing
testimony, krp. And with a straight face say the same thing...pointing
out in his rambling self aggrandizement exactly what you think I am
attacking him for that should NOT be attacked as a sure fire way to
LOSE A CASE WITH CPS.

As opposed to "winning through surrender" I suppose.
Doing services to please the agency before they even
have the legal right to dictate such stuff, right?

Come on, master Debater. Let's do another "sociopathy" lie from you.

I'll kick your sorry ass just as I did then.

Delusions of grandeur!

Do you think ANYONE, even Greg, fell for your feeble dodge that I had
to agree I was wrong when your charge of what I said or didn't say was
a flat out LIE?

What what what?

Too much run on sentence RAVING.

To Kane truth is a thin veneer to wrap his lies in.

Get with the program krp. No one here is blind, or stupid, as you'd
wish them to be.

Are you reading a job ad for CPS worker prerequisites?
You left out obsessive, deluded and incompetent.

And anyone that WOULD fall for your bull**** is either one or the
other or both, or a liar such as you.

Because you said so, right?

On Jun 28, 1:44 pm, " krp" wrote:
"0:-]" wrote in message

...

Your criticism of CPS is generally because they don't go FAR enough
for
you. Kane you are the wolf in the sheep's pen here. To anyone facing false
allegations getting advice from YOU would be SUICIDE.

Do you have some examples, that you can provide a LINK to, krp, where
I have given advice that would be suicide?

LINK Kane? No didn't save it. But thinking about your advice to just
blindly cooperate with the CPS folks and DO what they say. (Performance
agreements, etc.) Which is tacit agreement to surrender legal JURISDICTION
to them to run your family . BAD BAD BAD legal advice Kane. They should
always seek out legal counsel and NOT you!

By the way, krp, THAT is Dan's advice, merely ECHOED by Kane.

Kane has admitted to ""infiltrating"" Family Rights groups.
Dan got caught doing it and ejected.
They have BOTH badmouthed Family Rights groups in general.
They claim they are superior.

The last time Dan infiltrated a group he had already
been kicked out of, he lasted mere weeks because
he just had to vent his spleen about his ""concerns""
with the Constitutional Defense. He actually berates
any legal argument, come to think of it.
He urges the quicker more expedient solution
to get the kids home. Can you guess what that is?

Another one of my favorites is that Dan has
asserted how easy it is to get a CPS Service Plan
corrected when it's wrong.

To hear LIT and him tell it, all a family has to do
is ask the caseworker and they instantly change
the service plan.

Hell, It took years and some really embarassing
court pleadings to get the agency to drop the
""Vocational Rehab"" item even though the item
was totally impossible since they knew I had
no disability. After I called the Vocational Rehab
agency I think Iowa DHS got a rather embarassing
message from the Department Of Vocational Rehab.
That and a taunting, embarassing pleading got
them to remove this totally IMPOSSIBLE service.

Caseworker input into the psych eval said
that I ""perceived myself"" to be an assault victim.
Investigation of this ""pathology"" was dropped
after the attacker plead GUILTY and spent a night in jail.

We had one caseworker so ****y she stood in the
courthouse hallway wringing her fists like
Colonel Klink from Hogan's Heros.
She's the one who perjured herself about
me sending her a threatening e-mail.
(Proving malicious intent, by the way.)

The ""e-mail"" lie was so lame the Judge
rolled his eyes, knowing full well she lied
on the witness stand.