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Old August 25th 05, 04:17 PM
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http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05236/559444.stm

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05237/559756.stm

"A 5-year-old autistic boy died Tuesday in a Butler County doctor's
office while undergoing an increasingly popular though controversial
medical treatment touted by some as a cure for the lifelong neurological
and developmental disorder."

"Authorities said Kerry's office reported that the child was receiving
an IV treatment for lead poisoning when he went into cardiac arrest."

Lead poisoning causes autism? Sounds like spinning to cover the butt.


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Old August 25th 05, 05:22 PM
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"Mark Probert" wrote in message
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Lead poisoning causes autism? Sounds like spinning to cover the butt.


A diagnoses of "lead poisoning" has been found convenient in other cases....

http://www.quackwatch.org/01Quackery...tionfraud.html

"Because chelation has legitimate use for treating heavy metal poisoning,
some chelation therapists submit fraudulent insurance reports claiming to
have treated lead poisoning or another alleged toxic state"


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Old August 25th 05, 05:45 PM
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Seems it might not be the first time that Chelation caused a heart attack
although this patient was 55 and possibly at risk..

http://www.quackwatch.org/14Legal/hough.html

The suit charges that:
snip
*During the last treatment, Hough's heart stopped beating. Although he was
resuscitated, he suffered a heart attack and was left with permanent damage
to his heart.


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Old August 25th 05, 06:08 PM
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CWatters wrote:
"Mark Probert" wrote in message
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Lead poisoning causes autism? Sounds like spinning to cover the butt.



A diagnoses of "lead poisoning" has been found convenient in other cases....

http://www.quackwatch.org/01Quackery...tionfraud.html

"Because chelation has legitimate use for treating heavy metal poisoning,
some chelation therapists submit fraudulent insurance reports claiming to
have treated lead poisoning or another alleged toxic state"


I wonder what the pre-CHEATlation tests showed wrt blood chemistries? I
wonder if they were even performed.

However, note that the MD is a member of the AMA.

Jan will claim that this death resulted from *organized medicine*.


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Old August 25th 05, 06:47 PM
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"CWatters" wrote in message
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Seems it might not be the first time that Chelation caused a heart attack
although this patient was 55 and possibly at risk..

http://www.quackwatch.org/14Legal/hough.html

The suit charges that:
snip
*During the last treatment, Hough's heart stopped beating. Although he was
resuscitated, he suffered a heart attack and was left with permanent
damage
to his heart.


This is a from a lawsuit. Law suits are rarely about the truth.

EDTA binds to calcium. What may have happened is that the EDTA bound up a
lot of calcium in the fluid around that heart cells, making that calcium
unavailable to the heart. The heart needs calcium to pump. Without the
calcium, the heart was unable to beat. But, as I said, the information is
from a lawsuit. We won't know what really happened.

Something similar happened in the 1980s, I think at Children's Hospital of
PA. A child died, and they changed the protocol to make sure that the EDTA
was slowly infused.

Jeff


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Old August 25th 05, 10:13 PM
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"Mark Probert" wrote in message
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http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05236/559444.stm

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05237/559756.stm

"A 5-year-old autistic boy died Tuesday in a Butler County doctor's office
while undergoing an increasingly popular though controversial medical
treatment touted by some as a cure for the lifelong neurological and
developmental disorder."

"Authorities said Kerry's office reported that the child was receiving an
IV treatment for lead poisoning when he went into cardiac arrest."

Lead poisoning causes autism? Sounds like spinning to cover the butt.


Actually, YOU are the lowest of low with this title.

What was said:

He claims his son Jamison, now 3, has dramatically improved since undergoing
chelation therapy to remove mercury, the metal most associated with autism
because of its presence in some childhood vaccines. He and his wife launched
their international group in May.

He said that, in 2000, perhaps a dozen autistic children were treated with
chelation therapy. This year, it's more than 10,000.

Marwa Nadama said yesterday she did not want to comment except to say that
she is not blaming chelation for her son's death, at least not at this
point.

"Let's wait until we have the results of the autopsy," she said.




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Old August 25th 05, 10:16 PM
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"CWatters" wrote in message
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"Mark Probert" wrote in message
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Lead poisoning causes autism? Sounds like spinning to cover the butt.


A diagnoses of "lead poisoning" has been found convenient in other
cases....

http://wwwQUACK



http://www.chelationtherapyonl*ine.c...2.htm#quac***k


Here is the photo of the man behind the web
sitehttp://www.quackwatch.com/inde*x.html. He often attacks various
health
products and practices by making false claims about them, as if those
claims
came FROM them, and then knocks down these straw men of his own device.


****One of the most ***evil*** people on the web is a former psychiatrist
who
lashes out against just about every possible alternative health product or
practice. It is, in fact, a hall of fame. If you are mentioned in his
pages
you can assume you are doing a good job! He attacks chelation therapy, of
course, but he selects a "straw man" to attack. In other words, the early
explanation of how chelation therapy works is well proven to be false,
event
hough many people are still repeating those lies. But, the more
thoughtful
intravenous doctors have discarded this early theory and gone on to the
second
theory, mentioned on another page (Click Here).After EDTA was found
effective
in chelating and removing toxic metals from the blood, some scientists
postulated that hardened arteries could be softened ifthe calcium in their
walls was removed. The first indication that EDTA treatment might benefit
patients with atherosclerosis came from Clarke, Clarke,and Mosher, who, in
1956, reported that patients with occlusive peripheralvascular disease
said
they felt better after treatment with EDTA [AmericanJournal of Medical
Science
230:654-666, 1956]. (Source)


http://drcranton.com/chelation*/rebuttal.htm


BUSTING THE QUACKBUSTERS
REBUTTAL TO "QUACKWATCH" WEBSITE OPPOSING CHELATION THERAPY:


By Elmer M. Cranton, M.D.


There exist a number of self-styled medical thought-police types who call
themselves "quack busters." They are fond of attacking alternative and
emerging medical therapies in favor of the existing medical monopoly.
They
even have their own Quackwatch Internet website. It is uncertain where the
money comes from to fund those efforts, but it might be enlightening to
trace
that money back to its original source. One investigator alleges that
funding
comes from pharmaceutical manufacturers.


For years these so-called quackbusters have attacked nutritional
supplementation with high potency multi-vitamins as "quackery." As
summarized
elsewhere on this website (Nutrition In The News), recent scientific
studies
now prove that virtually anyone can benefit from nutritional
supplementation.
With egg on their faces from this recent vitamin research, those same
critics
continue to attack chelation therapy. I will now answer, point by point,
an
article on the Quackwatch website by Dr. Saul Green entitled "CHELATION
THERAPY: UNPROVEN CLAIMS AND UNSOUND THEORIES," in which Dr. Green
attempts
to
discredit EDTA chelation using half-truths, speculation, and false
statements.


ALSO
Click Here to read:


A MEDICAL SCHOOL PROFESSOR BUSTS THE QUACKBUSTERS


Opponents and critics of EDTA chelation, such as Saul Green, rarely state
that
chelation "does not work" or that chelation is "proven not to work."
Instead
they merely state that it is "unproven." They are evasive and set a double
standard. Bypass surgery, balloon angioplasty and close to 80% of all
other
therapies routinely used by medical doctors in everyday practice are also
"unproven," using those same unreasonable standards. Most widely-accepted
and
traditional medical therapies have never been subjected to double-blind,
placebo controlled clinical trials costing many millions of dollars?as
demanded
by opponents of chelation therapy.


Detractors of chelation therapy insist that large, multimillion-dollar
studies
be performed, giving half the patients a placebo, with the placebo group
"blinded"?unknown to the investigators until the study is complete (called
"double-blind" because neither the doctors nor the patients know who gets
the
placebo and who gets the active medication). Drug companies are required
by
the
FDA to test new prescription drugs in this manner before they can make
marketing claims. On the other hand, bypass surgery, balloon angioplasty
and
most other widely accepted medical procedures have never been subjected to
that
type of testing. Because patent protection has long since expired on
EDTA,
there is no source of funding for such a study. N.I.H., the government
source
for research money, has repeatedly refused to fund a research grant to
study
EDTA chelation.


Saul Green makes an issue of an FTC ruling in 1998 relating to advertising
for
EDTA chelation therapy. Because the FDA has not yet approved EDTA
chelation
therapy for treatment of atherosclerosis, the FTC ruled that it is not
proper
to imply otherwise in advertisements to the lay public. The informed
consent
provided to patients by chelation doctors has always made that fact clear,
but
once again politically powerful critics of chelation therapy have
generated
adverse publicity, using what was essentially a non-issue. That FTC ruling
was
based partly on their opinion that professional physicians associations,
such
as the American College for Advancement in Medicine (ACAM), should not
advertise directly to the lay public. The FTC ruling does not apply to the
doctor patient relationship. Training courses on chelation therapy
continue
to
be given to practicing physicians twice yearly by ACAM.


Drug companies quickly patent their newly developed remedies, which allows
them
to charge high prices (usually a dollar or more per capsule, sometimes
much
more) to recapture their millions of dollars in expenses for the
FDA-required
double blind studies. EDTA is a generic drug. Patent protection expired
many
years ago. Double-blind placebo studies of adequate size have therefore
never
been funded and probably will not be funded in the future unless N.I.H. or
a
private foundation can be convinced to do so with either public or
philanthropic funds. (In 2002 a $30 million research proposal for a
multi-center study of EDTA chelation therapy is under consideration by
N.I.H.
Let's all hope that it gets funded.)


Many highly positive smaller studies have been published proving EDTA
chelation
therapy, reporting objective measurements of before and after
improvements.
Statistical analyses of those improvements are highly significant.
Summaries
of
those studies can be read on the following webpage: Chelation Research. A
chapter from my recent book, Bypassing Bypass Surgery, summarizes the vast
amount of research supporting EDTA chelation therapy.


Those studies that support EDTA chelation are good science and are
scientifically valid. Only if it is assumed that placebo effect could
cause
long-term, sustained increases in objective blood flow measurements to the
brain, heart and extremities through diseased arteries can those studies
be
ignored. Placebo effect has never been observed to last more than 6
months.
Benefit from chelation therapy comes on slowly; increasing for 3 to 5
months
after treatment is complete and persisting for years after a course of
therapy.
Placebo benefit has never acted that way.


Saul Green's quackbuster attack on chelation therapy states that those
published studies are poorly designed and therefore meaningless. I
challenge
any educated lay reader to review those studies and not be impressed. It
always
desirable to have bigger and better studies. There is always room for
improvement. That same statement could be made about any study ever
published.
All of the existing clinical data is positive and highly significant on
statistical analysis. Independent researchers, at different research
facilities, using different technology, were able to duplicate the
positive
findings of increased blood flow through blocked arteries. Statistical
analysis
continues to show consistent high significance.


The bypass surgery and balloon angioplasty industries gross upwards of $6
billion per year. The cardiovascular drug industry takes in upwards of
$100
billion dollars per year. If the existing studies of chelation therapy
were
to
be accepted as valid, those industries would suffer enormous losses. They
have
no reason to want to see chelation therapy accepted.


In recent years opponents of chelation have published several a number of
small
sham studies, falsely alleging that EDTA chelation does not work. In every
instance those studies were actually supportive of EDTA chelation therapy,
but
they contained an erroneous conclusion otherwise. Click here for an
analysis
of
deceptive studies. The recent PATCH study in Calgary, Canada, is a truly
blatant example of that practice. That kind of junk science proves
nothing,
and
the studies cited actually contain evidence to support EDTA chelation
therapy.
Nonetheless, they are quickly published in mainstream medical journals,
interspersed with full-page, four-color advertisements for new and
expensive
pharmaceutical drugs. The news media then prominently print articles
stating
that EDTA chelation therapy has been proven not to work.


A wise consumer will review all existing sources of information and then
make
up his or her own mind about what is best. A Ford salesman will most
likely
tell you that a Ford is superior to a Chevrolet and vice versa. Consumers
should be allowed to decide what feels right for them, without being
subjected
to a "time-bomb-in-chest" hard-sell, with a high-pressure, frightening
sales
pitch at a time when they are highly vulnerable. Treadmills and angiograms
are
very effective and can be frightening marketing tools leading to
expensive,
dangerous and often unnecessary therapies.


Mark Twain once said that, "If the only tool you have is a hammer,
everything
looks like a nail." A similar statement could be made about cardiologists,
whose only tool is a catheter with balloon attached, or surgeons with
their
scalpels. The same might also be said of a chelation therapist. Buyer
beware!
Be an informed consumer. Every therapist has their own bias.


Saul Green writes that the Kitchell, Meltzer reappraisal study in 1963
showed
no significant benefit. I have described their exact data on the following
webpage: Chelation Critics Deceive the Public. You decide for yourself if
you
think it shows significant benefit or not. For political, economic and
other
unknown reasons, researchers occasionally interpret their data in a way
that
fits their personal prejudices, either positive or negative. When an
unbiased,
objective appraisal is made of that same data, the opposite conclusion can
sometimes be supported. That has happened repeatedly with chelation
therapy.
The facts are presented (Chelation Critics Deceive the Public) to enable
readers to form their own opinions.


Saul Green states that chelation is "not recognized by the scientific
community." That is not true unless it is assumed that the many highly
trained
physicians who administer chelation therapy are not scientific. He
engages
in
name-calling. Doctors who disagree with Saul Green are called
unscientific.
Various segments of the medical community join together in professional
associations with the goal of protecting their turf and maintaining a
monopoly
in their field as much as possible. It is not justified for one such
group
to
state that other medical scientists who disagree are "unscientific." This
merely represents a disagreement between experts, between differing
factions
of
the medical profession-a common occurrence in any profession. Emerging,
complimentary and alternative therapies often confront that type of bias.


Saul Green writes that at least fifteen different reports document that
EDTA
did not benefit patients. That is not true! For the most part, he cites
letters to the editor, which report an occasional treatment failure. No
therapy is 100% effective and treatment failures do occur with EDTA.
However,
more than 85% of patients have been helped. These anecdotal reports of
treatment failures are used by critics, but anecdotal reports of treatment
success are rejected by critics. This represents more evidence of the
double
standard. Saul Green also misrepresents the the unscientific studies
previously
mentioned as documenting that EDTA chelation does not work, Chelation
Critics
Deceive the Public.


Arteriograms before and after treatment are demanded by critics to prove
benefit from chelation therapy. It is not possible, however, to
accurately
measure decreases in atherosclerotic plaque unless the diameter of the
artery
is increased by approximately 25%. In the presence of turbulent blood
flow
past plaques, it requires only a 10% increase in arterial diameter to
double
the flow of blood (Poiseuille's Law of hemodynamics as can be found in any
textbook of medical physiology or biophysics). As proven in studies,
arteriograms and ultrasound are not sensitive enough to consistently
measure
changes of less than 25% in the diameter of a blood vessel. Increases much
less
than that can greatly relieve or totally eliminate symptoms, and are not
detectable on arteriograms. Studies which measure heart and organ
function
and
total blood flow consistently prove that EDTA chelation therapy is highly
beneficial.


If patients improve their physical endurance, if exercise tolerance
increases
and if symptoms improve, that provides good scientific evidence of
benefit.
If
measurements of walking distance on a treadmill with an uphill incline
consistently increase after treatment and with statistical significance,
that
is valid scientific proof of benefit. Angiograms are not sensitive enough
to
measure even a doubling in blood flow. Angiograms are marketing tools
frequently used to justify bypass surgery and balloon angioplasty;
however,
angiograms cannot show increases in arterial diameter that can increase
blood
flow by 200% or more. They do, however, show the surgeons where to cut and
are
necessary to place a balloon or stent in angioplasty. And sometimes those
procedures are necessary.


Saul Green is in error when he states that the Curt Diehm study in Germany
did
not show benefit. The raw data from that study has been analyzed by
medical
school professors in the United States and found to be highly positive, as
documented in detail on the following webpage: Critique of the Heidelberg
Study. Patients who received EDTA increased their walking distance by an
average of 400%, compared to 60% increase in the control group patients,
who
received an active drug, not a placebo. The manufacturer of the control
drug
funded the study and reserved the right to manipulate and report the data
in
their own way. Patients who responded best were eliminated from the final
data. Final results were measured immediately, 3 months before full
improvement from EDTA could be expected. Analysis of raw data from that
study
proves that EDTA chelation therapy was highly effective in treating
arterial
blockage in the legs.


The adverse side effects described by Saul Green were reported many years
ago
when massive doses of EDTA were infused in a very short time. Any
medicine
given in overdose can cause harm. There are no documented reports of harm
when
EDTA has been administered using the currently approved protocol. In rare
reports of adverse side-effects, the current protocol was not followed.
Even
when administered improperly, 10 deaths in a million patients indicates
that
chelation is infinitely safer than surgery or balloon angioplasty, which
result
in death from complications in approximately 3 out of every hundred
patients
treated.


Fifty thousand people die in automobile accidents every year and another
200,000 are seriously injured. I tell my patients that the drive to the
clinic
in an automobile to get chelation therapy is statistically far more
dangerous
that the chelation they receive after they arrive. More than 8,000 deaths
and
200,000 hospitalizations each year result from complications of ibuprofen,
naproxen, aspirin and other widely accepted pain remedies, many of which
are
available without prescription. EDTA chelation therapy is infinitely
safer
than even those treatments. Critics of chelation therapy never put things
in
proper perspective.


Saul Green goes on to speculate about a number of theoretical reasons why
chelation therapy might possibly be dangerous. He completely ignores the
amazing safety record of a million patients who have received the therapy.
The
dangers of surgery and angioplasty are well proven, not just
theoretical?three
percent death rate and twenty percent or more serious but non-fatal
complications. It is not necessary to merely speculate why invasive
procedures
might possibly cause harm. Saul Green's statements about why chelation
might
be dangerous have not been supported by more than 40 years of experience.


The Danish study mentioned by Saul Green was misrepresented and proved
nothing.
It was actually a positive study and showed benefit from chelation
therapy.


Saul Green states that the FDA once had EDTA chelation on their list of
"Health
Care Frauds." The FDA has long since removed chelation therapy from that
list,
and for good reason. Why did they do that?


In my opinion, it is a beneficial and highly cost effective therapy.


BE SURE TO READ:


If EDTA Chelation Therapy is so Good, Why Is It Not More Widely Accepted?
by
Dr. James P. Carter, MD, DrPH


A Professor of Cardiology Critiques Bypass Surgery.


Chelation Critics Deceive the Public by Elmer M. Cranton, MD


ttp://www.life-enhancement.com/artic*le_template.asp?ID=166


PATIENTS CANCEL BYPASS SURGERIES AFTER EDTA TREATMENTS
It is common place for physicians to help heart disease patients who have
failed all the standard treatments to make remarkable - even
unbelievable -
recoveries, once given EDTA. Many patients on waiting lists for bypass
surgery
have found, after a series of EDTA chelation treatments, that they did not
need
the surgery. One particular study found that when 65 patients who had been
on
the waiting list for bypass surgery for an average of six months were
treated
with EDTA, the symptoms in 89% of them improved so much that they canceled
their surgery.3


http://www.healingdaily.com/or*al-ch...elati***on.htm


EDTA removes toxic metals from the blood. Studies have shown that as
people
age
they continuously accumulate toxic metals: lead, mercury, aluminum, iron,
cadmium, and arsenic, among others. The accrual of these toxins invites an
increased risk for various diseases, especially heart disease. The less of
these metals we have in our bodies, the more likely we are to be
physiologically healthy or simply feel good, and the lower our risk for
heart
disease. Because EDTA is so effective at removing unwanted metals and
other
minerals from the blood, it has been the standard, FDA-approved treatment
for
lead, mercury, aluminum, and cadmium poisoning for more than 50 years.
EDTA
normalizes the distribution of most metallic elements in the body.







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Old August 25th 05, 10:17 PM
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"CWatters" wrote in message
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Seems it might not be the first time that Chelation caused a heart attack
although this patient was 55 and possibly at risk..

http://www.QUACK



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Old August 25th 05, 10:22 PM
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"Mark Probert" wrote in message
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CWatters wrote:
"Mark Probert" wrote in message
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Lead poisoning causes autism? Sounds like spinning to cover the butt.



A diagnoses of "lead poisoning" has been found convenient in other
cases....

http://www.quackwatch.org/01Quackery...tionfraud.html

"Because chelation has legitimate use for treating heavy metal poisoning,
some chelation therapists submit fraudulent insurance reports claiming to
have treated lead poisoning or another alleged toxic state"


I wonder what the pre-CHEATlation tests showed wrt blood chemistries? I
wonder if they were even performed.

However, note that the MD is a member of the AMA.

Jan will claim that this death resulted from *organized medicine*.


I hereby proclaim, YOU are the lowest of low with this title.

An autopsy conducted today was inconclusive. Results on the cause and manner
of death are pending additional testing that could take up to five months to
complete, authorities said.

He claims his son Jamison, now 3, has dramatically improved since undergoing
chelation therapy to remove mercury, the metal most associated with autism
because of its presence in some childhood vaccines. He and his wife launched
their international group in May.

He said that, in 2000, perhaps a dozen autistic children were treated with
chelation therapy. This year, it's more than 10,000.

Marwa Nadama said yesterday she did not want to comment except to say that
she is not blaming chelation for her son's death, at least not at this
point.

"Let's wait until we have the results of the autopsy," she said.


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Old August 25th 05, 10:52 PM
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"LadyLollipop" wrote in message
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Actually, YOU are the lowest of low with this title.

What was said:

He claims his son Jamison, now 3, has dramatically improved since
undergoing chelation therapy to remove mercury, the metal most associated
with autism because of its presence in some childhood vaccines. He and his
wife launched their international group in May.


He would be getting better anyway. It is not the chelation thearpy.

He said that, in 2000, perhaps a dozen autistic children were treated with
chelation therapy. This year, it's more than 10,000.

Marwa Nadama said yesterday she did not want to comment except to say that
she is not blaming chelation for her son's death, at least not at this
point.

"Let's wait until we have the results of the autopsy," she said.


Well, unfortunately, there will be more autopsies off autistic kids.

Jeff


 




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