night weaning not going so well

Did I misread something in the original post? I thought she was
saying that the baby *is* waking through the night, and I am
responding that perhaps she has not yet grown enough to the point that
she does not need extra nourishment during the night. Isn't baby
letting her know she needs the feed by waking and refusing to settle
without a bottle?

no, you didn't misread something, I was questioning the logic of size being
related to when a child sleeps through the night, if that was the case, most
of yours would have slept through the night from birth (I'm assuming they
didn't), as plenty of babies do sleep though at the weights some of yours
were at birth, one of mine was definitely only 11 something when he slept
through, the other, I don't recall, but unlikely much different from
William's birthweight.

Anne

That said, if she's used to having that much milk during the night then I
think she'd find it a bit difficult to be stopped cold turkey. I think
Anne's idea of diluting the milk down is the best one, although I think it
would be perfectly reasonable to go faster than the rate Anne recommended.

I suggested slowly because she'd been refusing completely water, so I was
thinking this baby is going to reject it if she notices a change, hence
suggesting such tiny changes, I guess try faster first, but if it doesn't
work, don't give up, just change more gradually, so that from day to day
there is no perceptible difference, but over a month you've made the
transition.

Anne

"Anne Rogers" wrote in message
...
Did I misread something in the original post? I thought she was
saying that the baby *is* waking through the night, and I am
responding that perhaps she has not yet grown enough to the point that
she does not need extra nourishment during the night. Isn't baby
letting her know she needs the feed by waking and refusing to settle
without a bottle?

no, you didn't misread something, I was questioning the logic of size
being related to when a child sleeps through the night, if that was the
case, most of yours would have slept through the night from birth (I'm
assuming they didn't), as plenty of babies do sleep though at the weights
some of yours were at birth, one of mine was definitely only 11 something
when he slept through, the other, I don't recall, but unlikely much
different from William's birthweight.


When Leslie said 'little' I took it to mean little as in only 15mos old and
nothing to do with actual weight at all.


--
Nikki, mama to
Hunter 4/99
Luke 4/01
Brock 4/06
Ben 4/06

"determined" wrote in message
. ..
She is still relatively small, at around 20 lbs, but she eats well, and is
not a picky eater. The problem is, she still cries 3-4 times per night.
We have tried to let her cry it out, but most of the time, she just
becomes more insistant. The only thing that calms her down, and it works
like magic, is a bottle. I don't want to do this anymore! We have tried
putting water in the bottle, and she just won't go for it. So we have
tried cutting the milk with water, about half and half, but it doesn't
make her wake any less. We feed her well through the day, she takes a
tippy cup all day, but won't accept it at night.

I don't know for sure what I'd do about the walking. I'd probably get the
eval if the ped thinks there is reason, just to be on the safe side. It is
just a little of your time. I think they are free and they are usually fun
for the babies.

For the night weaning there a few different tactics you could try. When I
night weaned mine with one I shortened the feeds until they were nearly gone
and then I eliminated them. It took a long time and even after they were
all gone he still woke and asked for them for months. There was a tiny bit
of crying but not bad. You could make the bottle smaller by an ounce every
few days (however many you think) until she is down to an ounce and then
just stop them. She'll probably cry but at least she won't be all that
hungry. With the twins I lengthened the time between their middle of the
night feeds until all the feeds disappeared one by one. I went quicker,
they cried more. They were in their crib versus co-sleeping. In a couple
weeks we were all done with the night waking and they sleep much better now
at 11mos then my other two did at 4yo. I would suggest getting some sleep
books at the library.


--
Nikki, mama to
Hunter 4/99
Luke 4/01
Brock 4/06
Ben 4/06

On Mar 18, 10:24�pm, "Anne Rogers" wrote:
Did I misread something in the original post? *I thought she was
saying that the baby *is* waking through the night, and I am
responding that perhaps she has not yet grown enough to the point that
she does not need extra nourishment during the night. *Isn't baby
letting her know she needs the feed by waking and refusing to settle
without a bottle?

no, you didn't misread something, I was questioning the logic of size being
related to when a child sleeps through the night, if that was the case, most
of yours would have slept through the night from birth (I'm assuming they
didn't), as plenty of babies do sleep though at the weights some of yours
were at birth, one of mine was definitely only 11 something when he slept
through, the other, I don't recall, but unlikely much different from
William's birthweight.


Oh, I see. Well, it still makes sense to me; if my babies, who were
so much bigger, were waking during the night to eat, then surely I
would think a smaller baby would have that much more reason to want to
eat at night!

Leslie

On Mar 18, 6:58�pm, Sarah Vaughan wrote:
Leslie wrote:

[...]

Isn't baby
letting her know she needs the feed by waking and refusing to settle
without a bottle?

Not necessarily. *It might well be just that she wants the milk, rather
than needing it. *I have to say that I doubt that a fifteen-month-old
who is eating well during the day can't make it through the night
without three or four bottles of milk, so I suspect that a large part of
it if not all is a want rather than a need.

That said, if she's used to having that much milk during the night then
I think she'd find it a bit difficult to be stopped cold turkey. *I
think Anne's idea of diluting the milk down is the best one, although I
think it would be perfectly reasonable to go faster than the rate Anne
recommended.

Bottlefeeding during the night not being something I've ever
experienced, this is not within my area of expertise. :-) And of
course a breastfed baby may nurse many times off and on throughout the
night without taking in a whole lot of milk!

Leslie

Oh, I see. Well, it still makes sense to me; if my babies, who were
so much bigger, were waking during the night to eat, then surely I
would think a smaller baby would have that much more reason to want to
eat at night!

on which basis, both my children would still NEED to eat during the night,
they are either side of double William's birth weight, the nearly 2yr old is
about 26 pounds and the nearly 4yr old is about 28 pounds.

I've heard it said that babies don't wake due to hunger, but wake and feel
hungry, so in part good sleeping is learning to either not wake up, or fall
asleep again despite being hungry. I'm not the greatest sleeper myself, I've
noticed that if I'm slow to fall asleep at night, I may feel hungry, but
it's another couple of hours before than hunger becomes the thing that
prevents me from sleeping, similarly if I wake in the night, usually due to
a child, I'm often hungry, but mostly a drink of water suffices, it's only
if it's about 5am that I find there is no way of going back to sleep without
eating.

Anne

In article ,
"Sue" wrote:

I think you rely too heavily on what studies and books say and not enough
into experiences and/or anecdotes from people who have been there.

My Mum has been smoking for more than 50 years and she doesn't have lung
cancer, so all those pesky studies are wrong. Right?

Experiences and anecdotes don't replace sound data. They complement it.

--
Chookie -- Sydney, Australia
(Replace "foulspambegone" with "optushome" to reply)

"Parenthood is like the modern stone washing process for denim jeans. You may
start out crisp, neat and tough, but you end up pale, limp and wrinkled."
Kerry Cue

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"determined" wrote in message

. ..

Emily is 15 months now. Still not walking, but standing without
holding
onto anything for a few seconds at a time, crawls up the stairs, crawls
off the couch, pushes around her walker, all unassisted. But my doc is
still insisting we bring her to pediatric physical therapy since she
isn't
walking. I flatly refused again yesterday when they called to schedule
an
appt, but it is so irritating...

There is certanily nothing wrong with getting an evaluation, as it may
help
her or it may prove that there is nothing wrong. I am not sure why you
would
hesitate to have someone look at her even if it was for reasurrance.

I would look it the other way and ask why would you want to look for
reassurance when Emily is still *well* within the normal range.
If I've got it right mum isn't concerned so why would she need to
waste time at a peds if there is no reason to be worried?
It's not as if parents don't have enough to worry about when things
are actually wrong, without worrying about them when they aren't.

Jeni

That's pretty much it. My first daughter didn't walk until 16 months, so I
presume with Emily's level of mobility she'll get there in her own time...

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"determined" wrote in message
. ..
She is still relatively small, at around 20 lbs, but she eats well, and
is not a picky eater. The problem is, she still cries 3-4 times per
night. We have tried to let her cry it out, but most of the time, she
just becomes more insistant. The only thing that calms her down, and it
works like magic, is a bottle. I don't want to do this anymore! We have
tried putting water in the bottle, and she just won't go for it. So we
have tried cutting the milk with water, about half and half, but it
doesn't make her wake any less. We feed her well through the day, she
takes a tippy cup all day, but won't accept it at night.

I don't know for sure what I'd do about the walking. I'd probably get the
eval if the ped thinks there is reason, just to be on the safe side. It
is just a little of your time. I think they are free and they are usually
fun for the babies.

For the night weaning there a few different tactics you could try. When
I night weaned mine with one I shortened the feeds until they were nearly
gone and then I eliminated them. It took a long time and even after they
were all gone he still woke and asked for them for months. There was a
tiny bit of crying but not bad. You could make the bottle smaller by an
ounce every few days (however many you think) until she is down to an
ounce and then

Here's the funny thing - the bottles only have about an ounce in them now...
And that's all it takes for her to go back to sleep. But try to NOT give
her a bottle at all, and she'll scream and cry for 15+ minutes. And I don't
have the stamina at night to let her CIO.