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Old November 9th 05, 05:44 PM
Opinions
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On Tuesday, Ohio voters rejected 4 items on their ballots that would
have altered they way they vote. California voters rejected all
initiatives on the ballot. Texas voters banned gay marriage.

Sometimes voters are ripe for change. They see transformations as
good. At other times, they get tired of being told what to do, how to
act, and what to say. On a more personal level, people are
increasingly tired of aloof experts telling them how to live their
lives.

The shift in public attitude does not bode well for no-spanks. Their
almost exclusive reliance on politically correct esoterics and
provocateurs makes no-spanks particularly vulnerable.

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Old November 9th 05, 06:48 PM
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Opinions wrote:
On Tuesday, Ohio voters rejected 4 items on their ballots that would
have altered they way they vote.


Two states kicked their republican governors, and in one it easily
carried Bush in the past. Tell you anything?

California voters rejected all
initiatives on the ballot.


Four of which were typical conservative issues and were Schwarztenner's
pets he had declared must pass for government reform. He's a
republican. Tell you anything?

Texas voters banned gay marriage.


Please don't try to convince anyone that other states follow Tx lead.
In fact, other states are likely to vote opposite just because it's
Texas. R R R R R R

Sometimes voters are ripe for change.


Well, given that we are in the midst of this serve of ultra
conservative Christian agenda nonsense, Yes, I'd say voters are going
to give you change, alrighty.

And the excessess of the current administration are going to ensure
that.

They see transformations as
good.


Yes, we do. And the right wing Christian conservatives are on the way
out. Christians themselves are sick of them.

At other times, they get tired of being told what to do, how to
act, and what to say.


I can't recall a time that Americans ever wanted to be told what to do,
how to act, and what to say. Seems to me the right wing conservative
Christians are all about trying to decide what Americans can do, act,
and speak, don't you think?

You are familiar, I trust, with the changes in law, enforcement, and
outcomes since 9/11, are you not?

On a more personal level, people are
increasingly tired of aloof experts telling them how to live their
lives.


Interesting you would attack the government in such a fashion. Who are
these experts but paid puppets of the government?

The shift in public attitude does not bode well for no-spanks.


You have it backwards. There is an obvious backlash in this off
presidential election year election. Democrats, and liberals, are
obviously making inroads. With all of Arnie's popularity he could not
carry his four REPUBLICAN CONSERVATIVE ballot initiatives in CA.

And in Virginia look what happened to a republican incumbent in a Bush
state, where he came and campaigned for the incumbent.

Virginia Dems are exstatic.

Their
almost exclusive reliance on politically correct esoterics and
provocateurs makes no-spanks particularly vulnerable.


"esoterics?" "provocateurs?"

There's nothing the least esoteric about identifying the damages caused
by corporal punishment, nor is there anything provocative about
exposing it, just like those that exposed slavery for the sick reality
that it was.

You, and the rest of the apologists and compulsives are simply finding
out that your delusions aren't going to be tolerated. Humankind isn't
willing to continue the downhill path that child abuse in the form of
'assualt' called "Spanking," it's presently on.

If you look around the world you can plainly see the results, just as
clearly as child rearing was a fundamental bulwark of Nazi rise to
power in Germany.

When you have an angry frustrated humiliated population they are easy
to manipulate.

When you spank a child that is what you create, regardless of outward
appearances under less than stressful conditions...but add stress.

And you get dancing screaching monkeyboys and pompous profundity from
clowns such as you.

What are you scared of, you apologists and compulsives....that we might
have a better world with less horror and death leaving you so little
room to operate in that you'll end up in jail?

Just as we recognized and stopped the exploitation of children, women,
slaves, we will come to recognize the truth about hitting a child and
calling it something other than what it is, assault.

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Old November 9th 05, 07:18 PM
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Changes are inevitable! However, change often is not the same
as progress. Changing from spanking to yelling, as the case seem
to be in Sweden, is no better for the children.

"Swedish parents now discipline their children; and in doing so, they rely
on a variety of alternatives to physical punishment. The method most
commonly used is _verbal_conflict_resolution_, which invites parents as
well as children to express their anger in words. Parents insist that
discussions involve constant eye contact, even if this means taking firm
hold of young children to engage their attention. Parents and
professionals agree that discussions may escalate into yelling, or that
yelling may be a necessary trigger for discussion. Still, many point out
that while yelling may be humiliating, it is better than ignoring the
problem or containing the anger, and it is usually less humiliating than
physical punishment."

It is better to yell at your kid - just call it "verbal conflict
resolution"! ;-)

Doan

Doan


On 9 Nov 2005, Opinions wrote:

On Tuesday, Ohio voters rejected 4 items on their ballots that would
have altered they way they vote. California voters rejected all
initiatives on the ballot. Texas voters banned gay marriage.

Sometimes voters are ripe for change. They see transformations as
good. At other times, they get tired of being told what to do, how to
act, and what to say. On a more personal level, people are
increasingly tired of aloof experts telling them how to live their
lives.

The shift in public attitude does not bode well for no-spanks. Their
almost exclusive reliance on politically correct esoterics and
provocateurs makes no-spanks particularly vulnerable.



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Old November 9th 05, 08:41 PM
Opinions
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Like the theory of light, change usually comes in 2 forms. One goes
'round in circles. The other is pendulum-like. All the Swedes did was
exchange the potential for physical abuse for a potential for verbal
abuse.

Doan wrote:
Changes are inevitable! However, change often is not the same
as progress. Changing from spanking to yelling, as the case seem
to be in Sweden, is no better for the children.

"Swedish parents now discipline their children; and in doing so, they rely
on a variety of alternatives to physical punishment. The method most
commonly used is _verbal_conflict_resolution_, which invites parents as
well as children to express their anger in words. Parents insist that
discussions involve constant eye contact, even if this means taking firm
hold of young children to engage their attention. Parents and
professionals agree that discussions may escalate into yelling, or that
yelling may be a necessary trigger for discussion. Still, many point out
that while yelling may be humiliating, it is better than ignoring the
problem or containing the anger, and it is usually less humiliating than
physical punishment."

It is better to yell at your kid - just call it "verbal conflict
resolution"! ;-)

Doan

Doan


On 9 Nov 2005, Opinions wrote:

On Tuesday, Ohio voters rejected 4 items on their ballots that would
have altered they way they vote. California voters rejected all
initiatives on the ballot. Texas voters banned gay marriage.

Sometimes voters are ripe for change. They see transformations as
good. At other times, they get tired of being told what to do, how to
act, and what to say. On a more personal level, people are
increasingly tired of aloof experts telling them how to live their
lives.

The shift in public attitude does not bode well for no-spanks. Their
almost exclusive reliance on politically correct esoterics and
provocateurs makes no-spanks particularly vulnerable.



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Old November 9th 05, 09:04 PM
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Opinions wrote:
Like the theory of light, change usually comes in 2 forms. One goes
'round in circles. The other is pendulum-like. All the Swedes did was
exchange the potential for physical abuse for a potential for verbal
abuse.


I've never seen a bone broken by verbal abuse, or even a mark left on
the body. Have you?

On the other hand, what makes you so sure they are verbally abusing?

Given that the ones most likely to do that now have had to replace
physical abuse, they used in the past, with the verbal "abuse" and all
other families usually never did either, the point of the law was
made...to stop physical abuse of children, disguised as "discipline."

It worked.

Rejoice.

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Old November 10th 05, 01:38 AM
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Watch the screeching hysterical dancing monkey rely on newbies not
knowing that claims increased child abuse in Sweden after the ban has
been fully answered and fully rebutted.

Reporting increased. Reports on behavior before the ban would have been
negligable since most of the activities covered under the new law were
either not illegal, or not enforced, and culturally acceptable. My how
times change. 0:-

Any new law is going to result in more reporting of the issue that law
addresses.

Logic and truth, strangers to the apologists and compulsives.

http://www.nospank.net/durrant2.htm

Child Abuse in Sweden
By Joan E. Durrant, Ph.D. 1
April 9, 2003

For a number of years, various media have carried reports
stating that child abuse has increased in Sweden since the passage of
the 1979 corporal punishment ban. This statement, which was recently
given new life in the Canadian Charter Challenge to Section 43 of the
Criminal Code, is completely erroneous. All available evidence
indicates that Sweden has been extremely successful in reducing rates
of child physical abuse over the past few decades and that reduction
has been maintained since the passage of the corporal punishment ban.
The purpose of this brief report is to disseminate accurate information
on this issue.

1. Reporting Rates vs. Rates of Actual Abuse
The claim that child abuse has increased in Sweden is
primarily based on misinterpretation of assault report statistics. It
is the case that reporting of child physical assault has increased in
Sweden since the 1970s - as it has in every nation that has raised
awareness of the issue of child abuse. Reporting rates are by no means
equivalent to rates of actual abuse. They are sharp reflections
of/strongly tied to shifts in public awareness.

For example, in the early 1960s, it was estimated that
about 300 children were being maltreated in the U.S. By 1990, the U.S.
Advisory Board on Child Abuse and Neglect had officially recorded 2.4
million reported cases. By 1993, they had recorded almost 3 million
cases. It is highly unlikely that actual child maltreatment increased
by a factor of 10,000 in that period. It is also highly unlikely that
only 300 children were maltreated in the U.S. in the early 1960s.

It is a well-known fact that when mandatory reporting
laws, public education campaigns, and other measures are implemented to
increase awareness, reporting will increase. This is the goal of such
measures. The Swedish reporting figures have been cited as if they are
actual rates of abuse, which they are not.

Recently the Swedish National Crime Prevention Council
examined 434 cases of assaults on young children within the family that
were reported to the police in 1990 (all cases) and 1997 (every other
case). It was found that the proportion of cases involving serious
injuries sustained by children in this age range had decreased
substantially. The majority of reported assaults result in minor
injuries or no injuries at all. On the basis of an extensive analysis
of the data, the National Crime Prevention Council concluded that there
has been an increase in the propensity to report cases of assault on
young children, and that it is this increase that is responsible for
most, if not all, of the rise in the number of such offences reported
to the police@ (Nilsson, 2000, p. 68).

2. Prevalence of Child Physical Assault Across Time
Studies conducted at various points in time demonstrate
that the prevalence, frequency and harshness of assaults against
children have declined dramatically in Sweden over the last two
generations. Substantial proportions of women who became mothers in the
1950s struck their children at least weekly (e.g., 55% of mothers of
4-year-old daughters; 20% of mothers of 8-year-old sons) (Stattin et
al., 1995). Among 3- to 5-year-old children of that generation,
implements were used by 13% of mothers (Stattin et al.,1995).

In contrast, 86% of youth who were born in the 1980s
report never having been physically punished (Janson, 2001). Of those
who were, the vast majority experienced it no more than once or twice
in their childhoods (SCB, 1996). Virtually no children are hit with
implements in Sweden today.

It is important to note that legislative reform began
many decades ago in Sweden. The corporal punishment ban was the end,
not the beginning, of legal changes in that country. Most notably, the
provision excusing parents who caused minor injuries to their children
through physical punishment was repealed from the Swedish Penal Code in
1957. The explicit ban on physical punishment was implemented 22 years
later.

3. Child Abuse Fatalities
The incidence of homicides of children under the age of 5
can provide an estimate of child abuse mortality, as it is these
children who are most vulnerable to fatal injury and the contribution
of other forms of external violence is minimized among this age group.
Between 1975 and 2000, the average annual number of homicides of
children aged 0 to 4 in Sweden was 4. The average incidence between
1995 and 2000 (2.8) was lower than that between 1975 and 1980 (4.0) -
despite population growth.

The World Health Organization (2002) provides homicide
incidence figures for children aged 0 to 4 in Sweden (1996), Canada
(1997) and the United States (1998).2 These figures a

Sweden: 3
Canada: 24
United States: 723

(Canada's population is approximately 3 times larger than
Sweden's. The U.S. population is approximately 20 times larger than
Sweden's.)

Child homicides attributable specifically to physical
abuse (excluding homicide-suicides, neonaticide and postnatal
depression) are virtually non-existent in Sweden. Between 1976 and 2000
(the most recent year for which statistics are currently available), a
total of 4 children died in Sweden as a result of physical abuse.

Summary
There is no evidence to support the claim that child abuse has
increased in Sweden since corporal punishment was banned there in 1979.
In fact, Sweden has maintained a very low rate of child abuse
internationally for more than 25 years.

Three Important Points

1. It is important to note that Sweden's law was intended to
affirm children's rights; it was not expected to end all abuse of
children for all time. North American assault laws have not eliminated
assaults against adults, yet we recognize their importance in setting a
standard of non-violence for the society, sending a clear message, and
affording protection to those who have been harmed. This was the
fundamental intent of Sweden's corporal punishment ban.

2. Legislative reform in Sweden began in 1928, when corporal
punishment was forbidden in secondary schools. It was 1957 when the
legal defence of reasonable correction was repealed from Sweden's Penal
Code. The ban must be viewed within its historical context to be
understood.

3. Since Sweden passed its ban on corporal punishment in
1979, 10 other nations have followed: Finland, Norway, Austria,
Denmark, Cyprus, Croatia, Latvia, Israel, Germany, and Iceland. The
purpose of these bans is to explicitly recognize children's rights to
protection under the law - the same rights that adults take for
granted. In addition, Italy's highest court has ruled that "the use of
violence for educational purposes can no longer be considered lawful."

1 Joan E. Durrant, Ph.D., is a Child-Clinical Psychologist and
Associate Professor and Head of the Department of Family Studies at the
University of Manitoba. She is an internationally recognized expert on
the Swedish ban. Over the past decade, she has conducted extensive
research on this law and has lived in Sweden for extended periods to
gain a full understanding of its history, implementation and effects.

2 Rates per population are not available for Sweden and Canada
due to their low incidence. Incidence rates are presented here for the
most recent years for which data were available in the WHO World Report
on Violence and Health (2002).

References
Nilsson, L. (2000). Barnmisshandel: En Kartläggning av
Polisanmäld Misshandel av Små Barn. Brottsförebyggande rådet;
Stockholm.

Janson, S. (2001). Barn och Misshandel. A Report to the Swedish
Governmental Committee on Child Abuse and Related Issues. Statens
Offentliga Utredningar; Stockholm.

SCB (1996). Spanking and Other Forms of Physical Punishment:
Study of Adults= and Middle School Students= Opinions, Experience, and
Knowledge.@ Demografiska Rapporter, 1.2.

Stattin, H., Janson, H., Klackenberg-Larsson, I., & Magnusson,
D. (1995). ACorporal punishment in everyday life: An intergenerational
perspective. (J. McCord, ed.) Pp 315-347. Cambridge University Press;
Cambridge.

World Health Organization (2002). World Report on Violence and
Health. Author; Geneva.
See Iceland bans spanking, By Peter Newell, Co-ordinator, EPOCH
WORLDWIDE, April 8, 2003.

www.nospank.net

Then there's the immigrant issue:

http://www.cyberus.ca/~myeager/art-1.htm
"
Sveri's (1966) study of crime rates among different nationality groups
found a wide variation in Sweden (with Hungarians and Yugoslavs at the
top, and Italians and Austrians at the bottom). "


And the trend continent wide in Europe:

http://www.ncjrs.org/pdffiles/fs000202.pdf

Interesting that in the above cited report countries all around Sweden
are mentioned in the problem of rising youth violence, as well as youth
victimization by violence, but Sweden is not. Hmmmmm...wonder what that
might mean? 0:-

Now here's an interesting bit on the Nordic countries...concerning
immigrant populations...and we can presume they have built since 1979:

http://www.alli.fi/nuorisotutkimus/julkaisut/virtanen/

" The Nordic countries under study, which were previously relatively
ethnically homogenous, have in the last two decades or so become
increasingly multiethnic. In particular, refugees from the Third World
have changed everyday life to a colourful experience throughout the
Nordic countries. Nevertheless, the proportion of residents with a
foreign background among the total population varies a lot in the
countries under study, from 1.6 % in Finland to 10 % in Sweden, the
first figure being the lowest in Europe. On the other hand, while
Sweden with a liberal immigration policy has the highest immigrant
population, in Finland the number of immigrants has started to rise
dramatically during the 90s. "

This next one makes me chuckle because these researchers are so clearly
able to think deductively and logically. If you wnat to know about
violent crime what better place to get the most accurate data than
hospital admissions, eh?

http://bjc.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/co...tract/azi089v1

"Trends in Violence in Scandinavia According to Different Indicators
Felipe Estrada 1*

1 Department of Criminology, Stockholm University and Institute for
Futures Studies, Institute for Futures Studies, Box 591, 101 31
Stockholm, Sweden

* To whom correspondence should be addressed.
Felipe Estrada, E-mail:
Abstract
In Scandinavia, as in many other parts of Europe, violence constitutes
an important focus for the public and political debate on crime. Much
of what is said in the public debate, and done in the field of criminal
policy, stems from a perception that violence is on the increase. This
paper presents a new social indicator of trends in violence--Swedish
hospital admissions resulting from acts of violence--and evaluates this
measure in the light of more traditional indicators of violence--crime
statistics, victim surveys and homicide statistics. The hospital data
comprise 90,000 admissions from the years 1974-2002. The results show
that admissions caused by violence are more numerous in the 1970s and
1990s and fewer in the 1980s. Nothing in the hospital data indicates an
increase in hospital admissions resulting from serious violent
incidents over this period. No increase is noted in either fractures or
knife and gunshot wounds. Thus, the continuous upward trend noted in
crime statistics is not verified. Instead, the hospital data serve to
verify the more stable trends indicated by victim surveys and lethal
violence statistics."

Looks like those other bastions of child nonspanking, Norway, Denmark,
Finland, are also NOT seeing increases in violence in real numbers of
injuries either child OR adult. Hmmm...yet more.

Let's watch the monkeyboy dance. Shall we?

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Old November 10th 05, 07:14 PM
Doan
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LOL! Why don't you go to your master, LaVonne and ask her for the
meaning of 'statistical significance', Kane0? Blindly believing and
copying stuff from a anti-spanking website will only make you loook
STUPID! ;-)

"Durrant for her part, acknowledges that the analysis of the statistics
before and after 1979 failed to achieve statistical significance"

Source:
Durrant, J E "Evaluating the success of Sweden's Corporal Punishment Ban",
Child Abuse & Neglect, 23, 435-448, (1999)

Doan


On 9 Nov 2005 wrote:

Watch the screeching hysterical dancing monkey rely on newbies not
knowing that claims increased child abuse in Sweden after the ban has
been fully answered and fully rebutted.

Reporting increased. Reports on behavior before the ban would have been
negligable since most of the activities covered under the new law were
either not illegal, or not enforced, and culturally acceptable. My how
times change. 0:-

Any new law is going to result in more reporting of the issue that law
addresses.

Logic and truth, strangers to the apologists and compulsives.

http://www.nospank.net/durrant2.htm

Child Abuse in Sweden
By Joan E. Durrant, Ph.D. 1
April 9, 2003

For a number of years, various media have carried reports
stating that child abuse has increased in Sweden since the passage of
the 1979 corporal punishment ban. This statement, which was recently
given new life in the Canadian Charter Challenge to Section 43 of the
Criminal Code, is completely erroneous. All available evidence
indicates that Sweden has been extremely successful in reducing rates
of child physical abuse over the past few decades and that reduction
has been maintained since the passage of the corporal punishment ban.
The purpose of this brief report is to disseminate accurate information
on this issue.

1. Reporting Rates vs. Rates of Actual Abuse
The claim that child abuse has increased in Sweden is
primarily based on misinterpretation of assault report statistics. It
is the case that reporting of child physical assault has increased in
Sweden since the 1970s - as it has in every nation that has raised
awareness of the issue of child abuse. Reporting rates are by no means
equivalent to rates of actual abuse. They are sharp reflections
of/strongly tied to shifts in public awareness.

For example, in the early 1960s, it was estimated that
about 300 children were being maltreated in the U.S. By 1990, the U.S.
Advisory Board on Child Abuse and Neglect had officially recorded 2.4
million reported cases. By 1993, they had recorded almost 3 million
cases. It is highly unlikely that actual child maltreatment increased
by a factor of 10,000 in that period. It is also highly unlikely that
only 300 children were maltreated in the U.S. in the early 1960s.

It is a well-known fact that when mandatory reporting
laws, public education campaigns, and other measures are implemented to
increase awareness, reporting will increase. This is the goal of such
measures. The Swedish reporting figures have been cited as if they are
actual rates of abuse, which they are not.

Recently the Swedish National Crime Prevention Council
examined 434 cases of assaults on young children within the family that
were reported to the police in 1990 (all cases) and 1997 (every other
case). It was found that the proportion of cases involving serious
injuries sustained by children in this age range had decreased
substantially. The majority of reported assaults result in minor
injuries or no injuries at all. On the basis of an extensive analysis
of the data, the National Crime Prevention Council concluded that there
has been an increase in the propensity to report cases of assault on
young children, and that it is this increase that is responsible for
most, if not all, of the rise in the number of such offences reported
to the police@ (Nilsson, 2000, p. 68).

2. Prevalence of Child Physical Assault Across Time
Studies conducted at various points in time demonstrate
that the prevalence, frequency and harshness of assaults against
children have declined dramatically in Sweden over the last two
generations. Substantial proportions of women who became mothers in the
1950s struck their children at least weekly (e.g., 55% of mothers of
4-year-old daughters; 20% of mothers of 8-year-old sons) (Stattin et
al., 1995). Among 3- to 5-year-old children of that generation,
implements were used by 13% of mothers (Stattin et al.,1995).

In contrast, 86% of youth who were born in the 1980s
report never having been physically punished (Janson, 2001). Of those
who were, the vast majority experienced it no more than once or twice
in their childhoods (SCB, 1996). Virtually no children are hit with
implements in Sweden today.

It is important to note that legislative reform began
many decades ago in Sweden. The corporal punishment ban was the end,
not the beginning, of legal changes in that country. Most notably, the
provision excusing parents who caused minor injuries to their children
through physical punishment was repealed from the Swedish Penal Code in
1957. The explicit ban on physical punishment was implemented 22 years
later.

3. Child Abuse Fatalities
The incidence of homicides of children under the age of 5
can provide an estimate of child abuse mortality, as it is these
children who are most vulnerable to fatal injury and the contribution
of other forms of external violence is minimized among this age group.
Between 1975 and 2000, the average annual number of homicides of
children aged 0 to 4 in Sweden was 4. The average incidence between
1995 and 2000 (2.8) was lower than that between 1975 and 1980 (4.0) -
despite population growth.

The World Health Organization (2002) provides homicide
incidence figures for children aged 0 to 4 in Sweden (1996), Canada
(1997) and the United States (1998).2 These figures a

Sweden: 3
Canada: 24
United States: 723

(Canada's population is approximately 3 times larger than
Sweden's. The U.S. population is approximately 20 times larger than
Sweden's.)

Child homicides attributable specifically to physical
abuse (excluding homicide-suicides, neonaticide and postnatal
depression) are virtually non-existent in Sweden. Between 1976 and 2000
(the most recent year for which statistics are currently available), a
total of 4 children died in Sweden as a result of physical abuse.

Summary
There is no evidence to support the claim that child abuse has
increased in Sweden since corporal punishment was banned there in 1979.
In fact, Sweden has maintained a very low rate of child abuse
internationally for more than 25 years.

Three Important Points

1. It is important to note that Sweden's law was intended to
affirm children's rights; it was not expected to end all abuse of
children for all time. North American assault laws have not eliminated
assaults against adults, yet we recognize their importance in setting a
standard of non-violence for the society, sending a clear message, and
affording protection to those who have been harmed. This was the
fundamental intent of Sweden's corporal punishment ban.

2. Legislative reform in Sweden began in 1928, when corporal
punishment was forbidden in secondary schools. It was 1957 when the
legal defence of reasonable correction was repealed from Sweden's Penal
Code. The ban must be viewed within its historical context to be
understood.

3. Since Sweden passed its ban on corporal punishment in
1979, 10 other nations have followed: Finland, Norway, Austria,
Denmark, Cyprus, Croatia, Latvia, Israel, Germany, and Iceland. The
purpose of these bans is to explicitly recognize children's rights to
protection under the law - the same rights that adults take for
granted. In addition, Italy's highest court has ruled that "the use of
violence for educational purposes can no longer be considered lawful."

1 Joan E. Durrant, Ph.D., is a Child-Clinical Psychologist and
Associate Professor and Head of the Department of Family Studies at the
University of Manitoba. She is an internationally recognized expert on
the Swedish ban. Over the past decade, she has conducted extensive
research on this law and has lived in Sweden for extended periods to
gain a full understanding of its history, implementation and effects.

2 Rates per population are not available for Sweden and Canada
due to their low incidence. Incidence rates are presented here for the
most recent years for which data were available in the WHO World Report
on Violence and Health (2002).

References
Nilsson, L. (2000). Barnmisshandel: En Kartläggning av
Polisanmäld Misshandel av Små Barn. Brottsförebyggande rådet;
Stockholm.

Janson, S. (2001). Barn och Misshandel. A Report to the Swedish
Governmental Committee on Child Abuse and Related Issues. Statens
Offentliga Utredningar; Stockholm.

SCB (1996). Spanking and Other Forms of Physical Punishment:
Study of Adults= and Middle School Students= Opinions, Experience, and
Knowledge.@ Demografiska Rapporter, 1.2.

Stattin, H., Janson, H., Klackenberg-Larsson, I., & Magnusson,
D. (1995). ACorporal punishment in everyday life: An intergenerational
perspective. (J. McCord, ed.) Pp 315-347. Cambridge University Press;
Cambridge.

World Health Organization (2002). World Report on Violence and
Health. Author; Geneva.
See Iceland bans spanking, By Peter Newell, Co-ordinator, EPOCH
WORLDWIDE, April 8, 2003.

www.nospank.net

Then there's the immigrant issue:

http://www.cyberus.ca/~myeager/art-1.htm
"
Sveri's (1966) study of crime rates among different nationality groups
found a wide variation in Sweden (with Hungarians and Yugoslavs at the
top, and Italians and Austrians at the bottom). "


And the trend continent wide in Europe:

http://www.ncjrs.org/pdffiles/fs000202.pdf

Interesting that in the above cited report countries all around Sweden
are mentioned in the problem of rising youth violence, as well as youth
victimization by violence, but Sweden is not. Hmmmmm...wonder what that
might mean? 0:-

Now here's an interesting bit on the Nordic countries...concerning
immigrant populations...and we can presume they have built since 1979:

http://www.alli.fi/nuorisotutkimus/julkaisut/virtanen/

" The Nordic countries under study, which were previously relatively
ethnically homogenous, have in the last two decades or so become
increasingly multiethnic. In particular, refugees from the Third World
have changed everyday life to a colourful experience throughout the
Nordic countries. Nevertheless, the proportion of residents with a
foreign background among the total population varies a lot in the
countries under study, from 1.6 % in Finland to 10 % in Sweden, the
first figure being the lowest in Europe. On the other hand, while
Sweden with a liberal immigration policy has the highest immigrant
population, in Finland the number of immigrants has started to rise
dramatically during the 90s. "

This next one makes me chuckle because these researchers are so clearly
able to think deductively and logically. If you wnat to know about
violent crime what better place to get the most accurate data than
hospital admissions, eh?

http://bjc.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/co...tract/azi089v1

"Trends in Violence in Scandinavia According to Different Indicators
Felipe Estrada 1*

1 Department of Criminology, Stockholm University and Institute for
Futures Studies, Institute for Futures Studies, Box 591, 101 31
Stockholm, Sweden

* To whom correspondence should be addressed.
Felipe Estrada, E-mail:
Abstract
In Scandinavia, as in many other parts of Europe, violence constitutes
an important focus for the public and political debate on crime. Much
of what is said in the public debate, and done in the field of criminal
policy, stems from a perception that violence is on the increase. This
paper presents a new social indicator of trends in violence--Swedish
hospital admissions resulting from acts of violence--and evaluates this
measure in the light of more traditional indicators of violence--crime
statistics, victim surveys and homicide statistics. The hospital data
comprise 90,000 admissions from the years 1974-2002. The results show
that admissions caused by violence are more numerous in the 1970s and
1990s and fewer in the 1980s. Nothing in the hospital data indicates an
increase in hospital admissions resulting from serious violent
incidents over this period. No increase is noted in either fractures or
knife and gunshot wounds. Thus, the continuous upward trend noted in
crime statistics is not verified. Instead, the hospital data serve to
verify the more stable trends indicated by victim surveys and lethal
violence statistics."

Looks like those other bastions of child nonspanking, Norway, Denmark,
Finland, are also NOT seeing increases in violence in real numbers of
injuries either child OR adult. Hmmm...yet more.

Let's watch the monkeyboy dance. Shall we?

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