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On Tuesday, Ohio voters rejected 4 items on their ballots that would
have altered they way they vote. California voters rejected all initiatives on the ballot. Texas voters banned gay marriage. Sometimes voters are ripe for change. They see transformations as good. At other times, they get tired of being told what to do, how to act, and what to say. On a more personal level, people are increasingly tired of aloof experts telling them how to live their lives. The shift in public attitude does not bode well for no-spanks. Their almost exclusive reliance on politically correct esoterics and provocateurs makes no-spanks particularly vulnerable. |
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Opinions wrote: On Tuesday, Ohio voters rejected 4 items on their ballots that would have altered they way they vote. Two states kicked their republican governors, and in one it easily carried Bush in the past. Tell you anything? California voters rejected all initiatives on the ballot. Four of which were typical conservative issues and were Schwarztenner's pets he had declared must pass for government reform. He's a republican. Tell you anything? Texas voters banned gay marriage. Please don't try to convince anyone that other states follow Tx lead. In fact, other states are likely to vote opposite just because it's Texas. R R R R R R Sometimes voters are ripe for change. Well, given that we are in the midst of this serve of ultra conservative Christian agenda nonsense, Yes, I'd say voters are going to give you change, alrighty. And the excessess of the current administration are going to ensure that. They see transformations as good. Yes, we do. And the right wing Christian conservatives are on the way out. Christians themselves are sick of them. At other times, they get tired of being told what to do, how to act, and what to say. I can't recall a time that Americans ever wanted to be told what to do, how to act, and what to say. Seems to me the right wing conservative Christians are all about trying to decide what Americans can do, act, and speak, don't you think? You are familiar, I trust, with the changes in law, enforcement, and outcomes since 9/11, are you not? On a more personal level, people are increasingly tired of aloof experts telling them how to live their lives. Interesting you would attack the government in such a fashion. Who are these experts but paid puppets of the government? The shift in public attitude does not bode well for no-spanks. You have it backwards. There is an obvious backlash in this off presidential election year election. Democrats, and liberals, are obviously making inroads. With all of Arnie's popularity he could not carry his four REPUBLICAN CONSERVATIVE ballot initiatives in CA. And in Virginia look what happened to a republican incumbent in a Bush state, where he came and campaigned for the incumbent. Virginia Dems are exstatic. Their almost exclusive reliance on politically correct esoterics and provocateurs makes no-spanks particularly vulnerable. "esoterics?" "provocateurs?" There's nothing the least esoteric about identifying the damages caused by corporal punishment, nor is there anything provocative about exposing it, just like those that exposed slavery for the sick reality that it was. You, and the rest of the apologists and compulsives are simply finding out that your delusions aren't going to be tolerated. Humankind isn't willing to continue the downhill path that child abuse in the form of 'assualt' called "Spanking," it's presently on. If you look around the world you can plainly see the results, just as clearly as child rearing was a fundamental bulwark of Nazi rise to power in Germany. When you have an angry frustrated humiliated population they are easy to manipulate. When you spank a child that is what you create, regardless of outward appearances under less than stressful conditions...but add stress. And you get dancing screaching monkeyboys and pompous profundity from clowns such as you. What are you scared of, you apologists and compulsives....that we might have a better world with less horror and death leaving you so little room to operate in that you'll end up in jail? Just as we recognized and stopped the exploitation of children, women, slaves, we will come to recognize the truth about hitting a child and calling it something other than what it is, assault. 0:- |
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Changes are inevitable! However, change often is not the same as progress. Changing from spanking to yelling, as the case seem to be in Sweden, is no better for the children. "Swedish parents now discipline their children; and in doing so, they rely on a variety of alternatives to physical punishment. The method most commonly used is _verbal_conflict_resolution_, which invites parents as well as children to express their anger in words. Parents insist that discussions involve constant eye contact, even if this means taking firm hold of young children to engage their attention. Parents and professionals agree that discussions may escalate into yelling, or that yelling may be a necessary trigger for discussion. Still, many point out that while yelling may be humiliating, it is better than ignoring the problem or containing the anger, and it is usually less humiliating than physical punishment." It is better to yell at your kid - just call it "verbal conflict resolution"! ;-) Doan Doan On 9 Nov 2005, Opinions wrote: On Tuesday, Ohio voters rejected 4 items on their ballots that would have altered they way they vote. California voters rejected all initiatives on the ballot. Texas voters banned gay marriage. Sometimes voters are ripe for change. They see transformations as good. At other times, they get tired of being told what to do, how to act, and what to say. On a more personal level, people are increasingly tired of aloof experts telling them how to live their lives. The shift in public attitude does not bode well for no-spanks. Their almost exclusive reliance on politically correct esoterics and provocateurs makes no-spanks particularly vulnerable. |
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Like the theory of light, change usually comes in 2 forms. One goes
'round in circles. The other is pendulum-like. All the Swedes did was exchange the potential for physical abuse for a potential for verbal abuse. Doan wrote: Changes are inevitable! However, change often is not the same as progress. Changing from spanking to yelling, as the case seem to be in Sweden, is no better for the children. "Swedish parents now discipline their children; and in doing so, they rely on a variety of alternatives to physical punishment. The method most commonly used is _verbal_conflict_resolution_, which invites parents as well as children to express their anger in words. Parents insist that discussions involve constant eye contact, even if this means taking firm hold of young children to engage their attention. Parents and professionals agree that discussions may escalate into yelling, or that yelling may be a necessary trigger for discussion. Still, many point out that while yelling may be humiliating, it is better than ignoring the problem or containing the anger, and it is usually less humiliating than physical punishment." It is better to yell at your kid - just call it "verbal conflict resolution"! ;-) Doan Doan On 9 Nov 2005, Opinions wrote: On Tuesday, Ohio voters rejected 4 items on their ballots that would have altered they way they vote. California voters rejected all initiatives on the ballot. Texas voters banned gay marriage. Sometimes voters are ripe for change. They see transformations as good. At other times, they get tired of being told what to do, how to act, and what to say. On a more personal level, people are increasingly tired of aloof experts telling them how to live their lives. The shift in public attitude does not bode well for no-spanks. Their almost exclusive reliance on politically correct esoterics and provocateurs makes no-spanks particularly vulnerable. |
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Opinions wrote: Like the theory of light, change usually comes in 2 forms. One goes 'round in circles. The other is pendulum-like. All the Swedes did was exchange the potential for physical abuse for a potential for verbal abuse. I've never seen a bone broken by verbal abuse, or even a mark left on the body. Have you? On the other hand, what makes you so sure they are verbally abusing? Given that the ones most likely to do that now have had to replace physical abuse, they used in the past, with the verbal "abuse" and all other families usually never did either, the point of the law was made...to stop physical abuse of children, disguised as "discipline." It worked. Rejoice. 0:- |
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Watch the screeching hysterical dancing monkey rely on newbies not
knowing that claims increased child abuse in Sweden after the ban has been fully answered and fully rebutted. Reporting increased. Reports on behavior before the ban would have been negligable since most of the activities covered under the new law were either not illegal, or not enforced, and culturally acceptable. My how times change. 0:- Any new law is going to result in more reporting of the issue that law addresses. Logic and truth, strangers to the apologists and compulsives. http://www.nospank.net/durrant2.htm Child Abuse in Sweden By Joan E. Durrant, Ph.D. 1 April 9, 2003 For a number of years, various media have carried reports stating that child abuse has increased in Sweden since the passage of the 1979 corporal punishment ban. This statement, which was recently given new life in the Canadian Charter Challenge to Section 43 of the Criminal Code, is completely erroneous. All available evidence indicates that Sweden has been extremely successful in reducing rates of child physical abuse over the past few decades and that reduction has been maintained since the passage of the corporal punishment ban. The purpose of this brief report is to disseminate accurate information on this issue. 1. Reporting Rates vs. Rates of Actual Abuse The claim that child abuse has increased in Sweden is primarily based on misinterpretation of assault report statistics. It is the case that reporting of child physical assault has increased in Sweden since the 1970s - as it has in every nation that has raised awareness of the issue of child abuse. Reporting rates are by no means equivalent to rates of actual abuse. They are sharp reflections of/strongly tied to shifts in public awareness. For example, in the early 1960s, it was estimated that about 300 children were being maltreated in the U.S. By 1990, the U.S. Advisory Board on Child Abuse and Neglect had officially recorded 2.4 million reported cases. By 1993, they had recorded almost 3 million cases. It is highly unlikely that actual child maltreatment increased by a factor of 10,000 in that period. It is also highly unlikely that only 300 children were maltreated in the U.S. in the early 1960s. It is a well-known fact that when mandatory reporting laws, public education campaigns, and other measures are implemented to increase awareness, reporting will increase. This is the goal of such measures. The Swedish reporting figures have been cited as if they are actual rates of abuse, which they are not. Recently the Swedish National Crime Prevention Council examined 434 cases of assaults on young children within the family that were reported to the police in 1990 (all cases) and 1997 (every other case). It was found that the proportion of cases involving serious injuries sustained by children in this age range had decreased substantially. The majority of reported assaults result in minor injuries or no injuries at all. On the basis of an extensive analysis of the data, the National Crime Prevention Council concluded that there has been an increase in the propensity to report cases of assault on young children, and that it is this increase that is responsible for most, if not all, of the rise in the number of such offences reported to the police@ (Nilsson, 2000, p. 68). 2. Prevalence of Child Physical Assault Across Time Studies conducted at various points in time demonstrate that the prevalence, frequency and harshness of assaults against children have declined dramatically in Sweden over the last two generations. Substantial proportions of women who became mothers in the 1950s struck their children at least weekly (e.g., 55% of mothers of 4-year-old daughters; 20% of mothers of 8-year-old sons) (Stattin et al., 1995). Among 3- to 5-year-old children of that generation, implements were used by 13% of mothers (Stattin et al.,1995). In contrast, 86% of youth who were born in the 1980s report never having been physically punished (Janson, 2001). Of those who were, the vast majority experienced it no more than once or twice in their childhoods (SCB, 1996). Virtually no children are hit with implements in Sweden today. It is important to note that legislative reform began many decades ago in Sweden. The corporal punishment ban was the end, not the beginning, of legal changes in that country. Most notably, the provision excusing parents who caused minor injuries to their children through physical punishment was repealed from the Swedish Penal Code in 1957. The explicit ban on physical punishment was implemented 22 years later. 3. Child Abuse Fatalities The incidence of homicides of children under the age of 5 can provide an estimate of child abuse mortality, as it is these children who are most vulnerable to fatal injury and the contribution of other forms of external violence is minimized among this age group. Between 1975 and 2000, the average annual number of homicides of children aged 0 to 4 in Sweden was 4. The average incidence between 1995 and 2000 (2.8) was lower than that between 1975 and 1980 (4.0) - despite population growth. The World Health Organization (2002) provides homicide incidence figures for children aged 0 to 4 in Sweden (1996), Canada (1997) and the United States (1998).2 These figures a Sweden: 3 Canada: 24 United States: 723 (Canada's population is approximately 3 times larger than Sweden's. The U.S. population is approximately 20 times larger than Sweden's.) Child homicides attributable specifically to physical abuse (excluding homicide-suicides, neonaticide and postnatal depression) are virtually non-existent in Sweden. Between 1976 and 2000 (the most recent year for which statistics are currently available), a total of 4 children died in Sweden as a result of physical abuse. Summary There is no evidence to support the claim that child abuse has increased in Sweden since corporal punishment was banned there in 1979. In fact, Sweden has maintained a very low rate of child abuse internationally for more than 25 years. Three Important Points 1. It is important to note that Sweden's law was intended to affirm children's rights; it was not expected to end all abuse of children for all time. North American assault laws have not eliminated assaults against adults, yet we recognize their importance in setting a standard of non-violence for the society, sending a clear message, and affording protection to those who have been harmed. This was the fundamental intent of Sweden's corporal punishment ban. 2. Legislative reform in Sweden began in 1928, when corporal punishment was forbidden in secondary schools. It was 1957 when the legal defence of reasonable correction was repealed from Sweden's Penal Code. The ban must be viewed within its historical context to be understood. 3. Since Sweden passed its ban on corporal punishment in 1979, 10 other nations have followed: Finland, Norway, Austria, Denmark, Cyprus, Croatia, Latvia, Israel, Germany, and Iceland. The purpose of these bans is to explicitly recognize children's rights to protection under the law - the same rights that adults take for granted. In addition, Italy's highest court has ruled that "the use of violence for educational purposes can no longer be considered lawful." 1 Joan E. Durrant, Ph.D., is a Child-Clinical Psychologist and Associate Professor and Head of the Department of Family Studies at the University of Manitoba. She is an internationally recognized expert on the Swedish ban. Over the past decade, she has conducted extensive research on this law and has lived in Sweden for extended periods to gain a full understanding of its history, implementation and effects. 2 Rates per population are not available for Sweden and Canada due to their low incidence. Incidence rates are presented here for the most recent years for which data were available in the WHO World Report on Violence and Health (2002). References Nilsson, L. (2000). Barnmisshandel: En Kartläggning av Polisanmäld Misshandel av Små Barn. Brottsförebyggande rådet; Stockholm. Janson, S. (2001). Barn och Misshandel. A Report to the Swedish Governmental Committee on Child Abuse and Related Issues. Statens Offentliga Utredningar; Stockholm. SCB (1996). Spanking and Other Forms of Physical Punishment: Study of Adults= and Middle School Students= Opinions, Experience, and Knowledge.@ Demografiska Rapporter, 1.2. Stattin, H., Janson, H., Klackenberg-Larsson, I., & Magnusson, D. (1995). ACorporal punishment in everyday life: An intergenerational perspective. (J. McCord, ed.) Pp 315-347. Cambridge University Press; Cambridge. World Health Organization (2002). World Report on Violence and Health. Author; Geneva. See Iceland bans spanking, By Peter Newell, Co-ordinator, EPOCH WORLDWIDE, April 8, 2003. www.nospank.net Then there's the immigrant issue: http://www.cyberus.ca/~myeager/art-1.htm " Sveri's (1966) study of crime rates among different nationality groups found a wide variation in Sweden (with Hungarians and Yugoslavs at the top, and Italians and Austrians at the bottom). " And the trend continent wide in Europe: http://www.ncjrs.org/pdffiles/fs000202.pdf Interesting that in the above cited report countries all around Sweden are mentioned in the problem of rising youth violence, as well as youth victimization by violence, but Sweden is not. Hmmmmm...wonder what that might mean? 0:- Now here's an interesting bit on the Nordic countries...concerning immigrant populations...and we can presume they have built since 1979: http://www.alli.fi/nuorisotutkimus/julkaisut/virtanen/ " The Nordic countries under study, which were previously relatively ethnically homogenous, have in the last two decades or so become increasingly multiethnic. In particular, refugees from the Third World have changed everyday life to a colourful experience throughout the Nordic countries. Nevertheless, the proportion of residents with a foreign background among the total population varies a lot in the countries under study, from 1.6 % in Finland to 10 % in Sweden, the first figure being the lowest in Europe. On the other hand, while Sweden with a liberal immigration policy has the highest immigrant population, in Finland the number of immigrants has started to rise dramatically during the 90s. " This next one makes me chuckle because these researchers are so clearly able to think deductively and logically. If you wnat to know about violent crime what better place to get the most accurate data than hospital admissions, eh? http://bjc.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/co...tract/azi089v1 "Trends in Violence in Scandinavia According to Different Indicators Felipe Estrada 1* 1 Department of Criminology, Stockholm University and Institute for Futures Studies, Institute for Futures Studies, Box 591, 101 31 Stockholm, Sweden * To whom correspondence should be addressed. Felipe Estrada, E-mail: Abstract In Scandinavia, as in many other parts of Europe, violence constitutes an important focus for the public and political debate on crime. Much of what is said in the public debate, and done in the field of criminal policy, stems from a perception that violence is on the increase. This paper presents a new social indicator of trends in violence--Swedish hospital admissions resulting from acts of violence--and evaluates this measure in the light of more traditional indicators of violence--crime statistics, victim surveys and homicide statistics. The hospital data comprise 90,000 admissions from the years 1974-2002. The results show that admissions caused by violence are more numerous in the 1970s and 1990s and fewer in the 1980s. Nothing in the hospital data indicates an increase in hospital admissions resulting from serious violent incidents over this period. No increase is noted in either fractures or knife and gunshot wounds. Thus, the continuous upward trend noted in crime statistics is not verified. Instead, the hospital data serve to verify the more stable trends indicated by victim surveys and lethal violence statistics." Looks like those other bastions of child nonspanking, Norway, Denmark, Finland, are also NOT seeing increases in violence in real numbers of injuries either child OR adult. Hmmm...yet more. Let's watch the monkeyboy dance. Shall we? 0:- |
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