How to drive no-spanks nuts

For starters, remind no-spanks that they are the tip of the tail trying
to wag the dog. Like a 2-year-old throwing a tantrum on a toy store
floor, they try to make up for their lack of real power by making a lot
of noise to get what they want. Moreover, much like the 2-year-old,
they need to learn that the world does not revolve around them.

Then, remind no-spanks that, even on a good day, politically expedient
laws are merely a temporary means to an end. If large numbers of
people do not quickly buy into the agenda perpetuate by those laws,
then, in time, the laws become worse than useless; they become a
mockery.

Russians never really bought into the notion of absolute gender
equality mandated by the Soviet constitution. Thus, when the Soviet
Union collapsed, Russians quickly resumed their old way of doing
things. What feminists in America declared to be *domestic violence*
in Russia skyrocketed when the Soviet Union collapsed. Yet, in
reality, it was just the old Russian way of doing things taking its
accustomed place among the people.

Remote peoples to the East of Moscow had a much easier time adjusting
to the new way of doing old things since they were too far from Moscow
for Soviet policy to have much effect. The fringe republics in the
Soviet Union had about as much use for bureaucrats in Moscow as
Southerners have for the same species in Washington.

Next, remind no-spanks that even if the *win* in the short term, they
will lose over time. The world belongs to those who breed rather than
to those to try to tell those who breed how to raise their children.
Parents really do have the final say in how children are raised. There
never has been, there never will be enough money and disposable
manpower to police parents who breed. To make matters worse,
feminist-inspired lone parenting is absolutely deadly to children!

Moreover, there is an aging gray panther in America that will leap on
and politically devour any politician that diverts social security
retirement funding to harass their grandchildren with grandiose social
engineering schemes. For the most part, they also have a particular
dislike for taxes that go to fund things that do not benefit things
about which they care.

After that, remind no-spanks that their flagship public school system
is sinking. Whether it is California, Michigan, or Texas, there is
almost open legislative season on benefit packages. That includes
retirement. As the economy continues to wobble, guaranteed incremental
salaries will be next to be tossed overboard.

Although educators are fond of saying, "It's about the children," the
reality is more self-serving. It has really been about that pension
and the all-but-free healthcare. As schools become more dysfunctional
and benefits dwindle, those with any real abilities will find something
else to do with their talents. Already, despite feminists raging that
they *owe* the sisterhood, a whole subculture of highly educated women
are staying home to raise their children. Not listening to the
sisterhood, they bred and are basking in the glory of motherhood.
Well-educated and networking, no one is telling them that they must or
cannot spank their kids! Having a lawyer in the family also helps.

In the above are sown the seeds to no-spank destruction. It matters
little whether some parents spank while others do not. Parents should
be allowed to decide what is best for their children. Anyone believing
that they have a better child-raising scheme is then free to prove it
with their own offspring free from the tip of the tail trying to wag
the dog.

In the end, it is the idea that parents can be free to choose that
drives no-spanks nuts. Their entire agenda depends on their
dictatorial powers. The problem is that, despite all their
pretensions, they have neither the brains nor the bite to be the head.
That right belongs to parents.

Opinions wrote:
For starters, remind no-spanks that they are the tip of the tail trying
to wag the dog.

So far the dog is wagging more and more, the tail less and less.

Anyone following the news knows that.

Like a 2-year-old throwing a tantrum on a toy store
floor, they try to make up for their lack of real power by making a lot
of noise to get what they want.

But we are getting what we want. It's you that are tantruming over it.
You are losing power in this issue, we are gaining. Or don't you read
the news we kindly post here for you?

Or could it be you have a bad case of Ostrich?

Moreover, much like the 2-year-old,
they need to learn that the world does not revolve around them.

Odd, I'd have sworn the spankers were the ones convinced of that. You
wouldn't be projecting just a tad, now wouldjah?

You are finding out that the world doesn't revolve around spanking.

Then, remind no-spanks that, even on a good day, politically expedient
laws are merely a temporary means to an end.

All laws are that, Observer. All.

If large numbers of
people do not quickly buy into the agenda perpetuate by those laws,
then, in time, the laws become worse than useless; they become a
mockery.

I'll let my black friends know what's coming then. 0;-

Russians never really bought into the notion of absolute gender
equality mandated by the Soviet constitution.

You a russian are yah?

Heck, the US obviously has a long way to go for there to be true gender
FAIRNESS. (It's not about equality really. It's about fairness. And
where the world isn't fair, was make politically expedient laws to move
it in that direction. Eventually the reactionaries come along, no
matter how much kicking and squalling we are treated to along the way.)

Thus, when the Soviet
Union collapsed, Russians quickly resumed their old way of doing
things.

Oh?

What feminists in America declared to be *domestic violence*
in Russia skyrocketed when the Soviet Union collapsed.

Of course. Domestic Violence is the handmaiden smile of social unrest
and economic disruption. It happens here as well. Check with the
police. They'll let you in on the secret. Honest.

Yet, in
reality, it was just the old Russian way of doing things taking its
accustomed place among the people.

So domestic violence is just a cultural given women will have to put
with. I suggest they start arming themselves and running down males and
executing them then. Because according to your logic, the "politically
expedient" law won't work.

Of course what I know is that they will continue to try and gain
protection through the law.

Remote peoples to the East of Moscow had a much easier time adjusting
to the new way of doing old things since they were too far from Moscow
for Soviet policy to have much effect. The fringe republics in the
Soviet Union had about as much use for bureaucrats in Moscow as
Southerners have for the same species in Washington.

What is all the babbling about the old Soviet Union?

Can't come up with a cogent argument to deal with the obvious child
assault that takes place, according to our laws except for this one
exception of children, so you are looking for these poorly fitting
emotionally focused analogies?

Next, remind no-spanks that even if the *win* in the short term, they
will lose over time.

Really? So women can expect to be disenfranchised and lose the vote,
not be able to contract in their own name, and children can expect to
go back to the mills, and blacks pick up the shakles again? I can
hardly wait to see what they will do when they catch you if you are
part of the attempt.

The world belongs to those who breed

Now you wish to claim that childless people are without rights and have
no possession of the planet but you breeders do?

rather than
to those to try to tell those who breed how to raise their children.

Breeding doesn't make parents. Parenting does. And rather a lot of
breeders fail, and a great many non-breeders parent very well indeedy.
In fact the breeders that can't parent wind up with their children
being parented by the non-breeders that can parent quite often.

Parents really do have the final say in how children are raised.

Yes, but being a breeder isn't being a parent. Lots of people breed,
drop their pups, and then drop them off somewhere for others to take
care of. I think of them as kin to the Cowbird.

There
never has been, there never will be enough money and disposable
manpower to police parents who breed.

That's okay. We don't discourage easily. We'll likely never have total
control of the oceans either, but we study them and work to make
changes to preserve the oceanic ecosystem. That's how decent humans
work.

Kind of drives you into the nutso tirades, now doesn't it?

To make matters worse,
feminist-inspired lone parenting is absolutely deadly to children!

Really? Your proof please?

And the old saw of x number of children in trouble are in single parent
households.

How do we know that's bs? Why easy. The ranting pundits, such as
yourself, fail to include the children that are in trouble that are
from two parent households.

Moreover, there is an aging gray panther in America that will leap on
and politically devour any politician that diverts social security
retirement funding to harass their grandchildren with grandiose social
engineering schemes.

Odd. My experience is that the aging Gray Panther contingent is among
the first to leap on their good for nothing kin and report them to the
authorities for abusing and neglecting the children. And often those
same Panthers end up with the child to raise, and more often than not
in single parent households.....R R R R R R....try looking up the data.


I keep it on my desk.

For the most part, they also have a particular
dislike for taxes that go to fund things that do not benefit things
about which they care.

And one of the things they care deeply about are their grandchildren,
grand neices and nephews, that are being abused and neglected.

After that, remind no-spanks that their flagship public school system
is sinking. Whether it is California, Michigan, or Texas, there is
almost open legislative season on benefit packages. That includes
retirement. As the economy continues to wobble, guaranteed incremental
salaries will be next to be tossed overboard.

So now the schools are about to go, and all because the spankers can't
paddle kids in school in some states, and it's spreading. R R R R R

Although educators are fond of saying, "It's about the children," the
reality is more self-serving. It has really been about that pension
and the all-but-free healthcare. As schools become more dysfunctional
and benefits dwindle, those with any real abilities will find something
else to do with their talents.

The schools are not becoming more dysfunctional, Observer. And teachers
teach because they like to teach, far more than for the salary.

Such claims about the school system are the dishonest claims of those
that are working to profit themselves by taking over (selling
curriculum) the teaching. Check up on William Bennett, his associations
and associates in the past decade.

You'll see.

Already, despite feminists raging that
they *owe* the sisterhood, a whole subculture of highly educated women
are staying home to raise their children.

You are imagining things again. Women are doing both. Having careers
and taking time out for children.

Not listening to the
sisterhood, they bred and are basking in the glory of motherhood.

Of course. What are men doing?

Well-educated and networking, no one is telling them that they must or
cannot spank their kids! Having a lawyer in the family also helps.

Sorry. You are wrong. No one is telling them they can't spank their
kids. Legally, except for Minnesota, they are covered.

What we are telling them is that they should study up (which most are
quite willing to do and have done....the ranks of non-spankers is
filled with this former professional women that have decided to
"breed.") because the law is coming that will require them to use other
methods.

Many of them are at the forfront of the no spank movement. Take Ms
Lawrence of the ban The Rod noteriety. She's a stay at home mom, and a
christian. She has a great deal of support. Check out her website
sometime.

In fact, check out the no-spank websites to get a better picture of the
truth. The movement is growing and has been for about 20 years. My part
in it is closer to 40 years.

In the above are sown the seeds to no-spank destruction.

R R R R R R ....kick and scream little compulsive.

It matters
little whether some parents spank while others do not.

Oh? By whose definition?

Parents should
be allowed to decide what is best for their children.

And if they decide death is best?

Anyone believing
that they have a better child-raising scheme is then free to prove it
with their own offspring free from the tip of the tail trying to wag
the dog.

Yep. Have done so. Have watched thousands of others do it as well. We
are millions strong, Obsessive. You are losing. It's that simple.

In the end, it is the idea that parents can be free to choose that
drives no-spanks nuts.

No, because that's simply not true. They are not free to choose
anything at all, Observer.

Their entire agenda depends on their
dictatorial powers.

Nope. On the power of a democratic humane society.

The problem is that, despite all their
pretensions, they have neither the brains nor the bite to be the head.

And you do?

That right belongs to parents.

What's interesting, logically, is in the fact that the no-spank ranks
are made up nearly exclusively of those that are parents. Non-parents
are a tiny minority in this movement.

Your logic is, as usual, impeccable, Obsessive.

R R R R R

0:-

Moreover, much like the 2-year-old, they need to learn that the
world does not revolve around them.

So sad that so many adults still live in autocratic times. Since the
rule of the land is democracy, why do some insist on practicing fascism
in their homes?
I would highly recommend that you read up on Positive Discipline, to
teach children respect, resilience, responsibility, empathy, WITHOUT
Rewards or Punishment. Try it, you'll LOVE it ! and your kids most
likely will not need to see a therapist or a probation officer later on
;-)

unfortunately some parents, instead of implementing Positive Discipline
which requires that THEY control their own anger issues, much like a
two year old tantrum, prefer the easy way out by spanking, blaming,
shaming on inflicting pain, or by drugging the kids. I do understand
that conscious parenting takes time and effort, but it is well worth it
!!

wrote:
Moreover, much like the 2-year-old, they need to learn that the
world does not revolve around them.

So sad that so many adults still live in autocratic times. Since the
rule of the land is democracy, why do some insist on practicing fascism
in their homes?
I would highly recommend that you read up on Positive Discipline, to
teach children respect, resilience, responsibility, empathy, WITHOUT
Rewards or Punishment. Try it, you'll LOVE it ! and your kids most
likely will not need to see a therapist or a probation officer later on
;-)

unfortunately some parents, instead of implementing Positive Discipline
which requires that THEY control their own anger issues, much like a
two year old tantrum, prefer the easy way out by spanking, blaming,
shaming on inflicting pain, or by drugging the kids. I do understand
that conscious parenting takes time and effort, but it is well worth it
!!

Well said with one exception.

Conscious parenting takes LESS time, because you do not have endless
manipulation by the child to circumvent the harsh parenting represented
by spanking.

One gets, of all things, children that are compliant because they wish
to be, not because they have to be. Everyone is busy with learning and
developing, even the parents.

May I recommend two more books I found key to the concept of positive
parenting:

Dr. Thomas Gordon's Parent Effectiveness Training (I recommend classes
and so many parents do not know the experience of "empathy" which is
key to applying listening, confrontation, and values clarification from
Gordon's book.

The book I found the most easy to apply, but based on concept that
while perfectly true runs counter to the misinformation most people
bring to parenthood, is "Smart Love," by the Pieper's, a husband and
wife professional couple, psychiatrist and psychologist, as I recall.
Family work.

Of course the might turn some people off until they read the jacket
description of this couple. They are also parents, foster parents, and
adoptive parents...so when they say something works you know it did in
the more trying circumstances of working with very difficult
traumatized children, as well as with their own.

What IS that key concept in the Smart Love book? ..... I'll leave that
for any of the curious to find out for themselves. But it's no secret
really. And if you are interested in parenting and children and are
literate you've seen it before in many forms. The Piepers just show
how to apply it.

This is a great response.

wrote:
Moreover, much like the 2-year-old, they need to learn that the
world does not revolve around them.

Actually, it's the prospankers that believe the world revolves around
them. Their children are viewed as possessions to be controlled by any
means. Prospankers tend to see the world in terms of their needs, and
they demand compliance. Much like a 2 year old, when they don't get
what they want they throw a tantrum and hit their little children. The
biggest difference, of course, is they are several sizes larger than
their children. Two year olds are small and defenseless.

So sad that so many adults still live in autocratic times. Since the
rule of the land is democracy, why do some insist on practicing fascism
in their homes?
I would highly recommend that you read up on Positive Discipline, to
teach children respect, resilience, responsibility, empathy, WITHOUT
Rewards or Punishment. Try it, you'll LOVE it ! and your kids most
likely will not need to see a therapist or a probation officer later on
;-)

One of my favorite parenting books is "How To Talk so Kids Will Listen &
Listen So Kids Will Talk" by Adele Faber and Elaine Mazlish. For younger
children, I recommend learning more about child development and simply
preventing and teaching rather than punishing or rewarding.

unfortunately some parents, instead of implementing Positive Discipline
which requires that THEY control their own anger issues, much like a
two year old tantrum, prefer the easy way out by spanking, blaming,
shaming on inflicting pain, or by drugging the kids. I do understand
that conscious parenting takes time and effort, but it is well worth it
!!

Conscious parenting does take time and effort. It takes very little
time or effort to raise your hand, with or without an implement, and
strike your little child. However, as children grow older, conscious
parenting takes less time and less effort because children have learned
to make good behavioral choices.

LaVonne