potty training post number 573

I said yesterday DD hadn't had accidents whilst out during the recent
blip, but I'd forgotten a poo accident last Tuesday whilst in childcare
at church. Since I posted yesterday she's been accident free, so I was
pretty confident leaving her today. She obligingly went before drop off,
a small quantity as would be expected as she'd gone not long before we
left, they asked me to come and take her in the middle, I wasn't
particularly happy about this, either she needs to go before then, or if
she doesn't it's much more like potty timing, which I want to keep down
to a limited number of circumstances, like going before we get in the
car, that kind of thing. I got there to find that she had asked, but
they hadn't taken her, but she had held on and she did an enormous wee,
but minutes before I picked her up at the end, she did a poo in her
pants, I don't know whether she asked her not, but given they didn't
take her before, who can blame her for not asking. They want her in a
pull up next week, which isn't really the issue, I do provide pull ups
when she's in any kind of childcare so that if she does have an accident
they can make the all, the issue is that they simply have unrealistic
expectations for a group of 2-3 years olds, basically down to lack of
staff, if they don't have the staff, they shouldn't take the child, or
ask the mums to take a turn. They have access to a bleeper system, which
other times we are there they do use for her age, but for some reason,
not on Tuesdays. I don't really know what to do, she's gone to the gym
daycare with no problems and the exact same room with a rotation of
teachers during church, also fine, the only difference that a pull up
makes is they can put it in the bin rather than a bag. I really don't
know what to do, the teacher is not going to change (it's a paid post),
I could keep her out a couple of weeks, which would mean missing bible
study, see if we can get her a bit more reliable after the recent blip,
but if it's just the same when she goes back, there is no real benefit
to that. I'm really torn, I get the feeling here that it's a case of the
teacher really not wanting to be concerned with toileting issues, but on
the other hand the whole set up not being aimed at the parent dealing
with it.

Anne

can someone tell me how the previous message looks to them, I realise I
didn't paragraph it at all and that makes it lengthy, but on my screen,
it has text wrapped to the full width of the preview pane, which looked
terrible, but my settings appear to have it set to 72 characters, when I
open it or reply to it, it's fine, so I'm trying to figure out if there
are things I need to change about how the message is sent, or how it is
viewed.

cheers
Anne

It looks normal to me



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Pip, in NZ

My girls :
DD1 Jasmine - 5 weeks early - March 02 - 4lb 12oz
Still as small as a peanut but as smart as a whip!

DD2 Abby - 8 weeks early - Feb 05 - 3lb 14oz
Two and a half and still a terror!!

"Yes you can drive me insane just by talking to me!"

"Anne Rogers" wrote in message
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can someone tell me how the previous message looks to them, I realise I
didn't paragraph it at all and that makes it lengthy, but on my screen, it
has text wrapped to the full width of the preview pane, which looked
terrible, but my settings appear to have it set to 72 characters, when I
open it or reply to it, it's fine, so I'm trying to figure out if there
are things I need to change about how the message is sent, or how it is
viewed.

cheers
Anne

"Welches" wrote in message
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"Anne Rogers" wrote in message
. ..
can someone tell me how the previous message looks to them, I realise I
didn't paragraph it at all and that makes it lengthy, but on my screen,
it has text wrapped to the full width of the preview pane, which looked
terrible, but my settings appear to have it set to 72 characters, when I
open it or reply to it, it's fine, so I'm trying to figure out if there
are things I need to change about how the message is sent, or how it is
viewed.

It looks like one of Ericka's long posts to me :-)

Personally I find it easier to read if you paragraph it. I find reading a
few posts that are long text without breaks hard on my eyes. I probably
should wear glasses when I'm on the computer, so others probably don't
have the same problem. If I'm feeling a bit headachy then I'll ignore
posts written like that, but otherwise I'll usually cope. I'm sure
sometimes I don't do my posts as helpfully as others would like too.

On the potty post (!) I'd be a bit irritated if they'd ignored that age
asking to go, even if they'd just been. I'd be inclinded to send her in
pants (assuming she's not having lots of accidents between now and then)
and say something like, "she's just been, but if she asks she does really
need to go, it makes her nervous about asking if she's not taken straight
away".
#1 had a problem that she wouldn't ask to go to the toilet at preschool. I
think it was that the teachers were always doing things and she didn't
like to interrupt (they will always take the child asap, or get someone
else to if they can't stop what they're doing). Even at the end of 2 years
there she would wait for someone else to ask first and then ask to go too.
Debbie

I absolutely agree. I ended up pulling my DD out of MDO and just shuffling
around for child care the last few months of last year because the program
refused to take her to the potty unless she asked-and at the time, her way
of asking was to announce to the air "Have to go potty now, please OK!".
They claimed they didn't have the staffing to deal with toilet training.
Once I got her out of that setting and into pants full time, it got much
better. And I would NOT send her in pull-ups based on one accident there.
That's an unreasonable request, IMO, since even into kindergarten it's not
atypical for programs to request that you send extra clothes, just in case!

Even in my 3 1/2-5 yr old class, I often ask a child if he or she needs to
go based on their behavior, not explicitly asking. Fortunately, kids at this
age are still pretty obvious.

Anne Rogers wrote:
can someone tell me how the previous message looks to them, I realise I
didn't paragraph it at all and that makes it lengthy, but on my screen,
it has text wrapped to the full width of the preview pane, which looked
terrible, but my settings appear to have it set to 72 characters, when I
open it or reply to it, it's fine, so I'm trying to figure out if there
are things I need to change about how the message is sent, or how it is
viewed.

cheers
Anne

That is how Thunderbird works. If you resize the main Thunderbird window
so it is wider or narrower, you can see the text wrapping around until
it gets to be less than about 20 characters wide.

So your Thunderbird is working the way it is designed to.

I have used Outlook Express for newsgroups. I don't remember this behavior.

Jeff

"Anne Rogers" wrote in message
. ..
can someone tell me how the previous message looks to them, I realise I
didn't paragraph it at all and that makes it lengthy, but on my screen, it
has text wrapped to the full width of the preview pane, which looked
terrible, but my settings appear to have it set to 72 characters, when I
open it or reply to it, it's fine, so I'm trying to figure out if there
are things I need to change about how the message is sent, or how it is
viewed.

It looks like one of Ericka's long posts to me :-)

Personally I find it easier to read if you paragraph it. I find reading a
few posts that are long text without breaks hard on my eyes. I probably
should wear glasses when I'm on the computer, so others probably don't have
the same problem. If I'm feeling a bit headachy then I'll ignore posts
written like that, but otherwise I'll usually cope. I'm sure sometimes I
don't do my posts as helpfully as others would like too.

On the potty post (!) I'd be a bit irritated if they'd ignored that age
asking to go, even if they'd just been. I'd be inclinded to send her in
pants (assuming she's not having lots of accidents between now and then) and
say something like, "she's just been, but if she asks she does really need
to go, it makes her nervous about asking if she's not taken straight away".
#1 had a problem that she wouldn't ask to go to the toilet at preschool. I
think it was that the teachers were always doing things and she didn't like
to interrupt (they will always take the child asap, or get someone else to
if they can't stop what they're doing). Even at the end of 2 years there she
would wait for someone else to ask first and then ask to go too.
Debbie

On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:19:32 -0500, Donna Metler wrote:

Even in my 3 1/2-5 yr old class, I often ask a child if he or she needs to
go based on their behavior, not explicitly asking. Fortunately, kids at this
age are still pretty obvious.

LOL!