ROLLING STONE: Deadly Immunity

"Ilena Rose" wrote in message
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LOL ... Jeff P Utz was never allowed to practice medicine with an
unrestricted license ... thank God.

He's had none for many years now ... though he contines to lie about
being a pediatrician.

Jeff replies: Instead of attacking me, why don't discuss what I have to say?

I have never said that said that I am a pediatrician in this newsgroup.

garbage deleted

Ilena Rose wrote:
While Barrett's Parrot Probert is screaming "LIAR" ... one should look
at what the Supreme Court of New York had to say about his license to
practice law:

www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/SandraProbert.htm

He has repeatedly denied this is he ... that he ever went to law school
... yet there is no one scintilla of evidence of any other "Mark S
Probert" from the 10th district of NY ... all references to any are HE.



Gee, I was in court on a traffic ticket, many years ago, and answered to
my name being called, was informed that I was in court for burglary
charges.

What are the chances of two people of the same exact name having the
same court date?

It happens.

j.

Is your name Mark S Probert from the tenth district in New York?

There is absolutely no evidence that another exists ... especially one
like the Rag-tag Ritalin / Vac Flack Liar who frequently gives legal
dissertations ... and draws legal conclusions on the failed cases of
Loser Steve Barrett ...

http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.or...stProbert.html

Was his name " Into the living sea of waking dreams" too?

http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.or...stProbert.html

On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 12:12:12 +0000, Jeff wrote:

I never claimed that I am a pediatrician. And whether or not you think of me
as a Quack Vac Flack, whatever that is, we've seen this garbage on the
internet and this newsgroup before. Repeating
it over and over won't make it true.

Calling something garbage does not make it garbage.

Thimerosal is a powerful neurotoxin, this is a fact.
It was injected directly in babies' blood streams in quantities
dozens of times exceeding safe levels - another fact.
And by the way Sidney Taurel, president and CEO of Eli Lilly
(the company that manufactures thimerosal) has been appointed
a member of Homeland Security Advisory Council. I guess
anyone who says it aloud is a conspiracy monger, right?
As for studies that allegedly showed no links between
thimerosal and autism - well, anyone with more than a passing
interest in the subject can see some of these studies debunked
at www.safeminds.org. And did I mention that the authors of the
Danish "study" worked for Statens Serum Institute, a vaccine
manufacturer and promoter? I assume mentioning this fact also makes
me a conspiracy monger.

The link is very real and very deadly. In three years it will
be common knowledge, like a link between tobacco and lung cancer or
asbestos and cancer. These links were denied at the time by affected
businesses of course. They were not punished then and will not be punished
this time. They got their profits, the rest of us will be holding the bag.
And hundreds of thousands of kids will never get their stolen lives back.

In article , mike wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 12:12:12 +0000, Jeff wrote:

I never claimed that I am a pediatrician. And whether or not you think of me
as a Quack Vac Flack, whatever that is, we've seen this garbage on the
internet and this newsgroup before. Repeating
it over and over won't make it true.

Calling something garbage does not make it garbage.

Thimerosal is a powerful neurotoxin, this is a fact.
It was injected directly in babies' blood streams in quantities
dozens of times exceeding safe levels - another fact.

Another non-fact. Vaccines are injected intramuscularly, not
"directly into the bloodstream." Clearly, you know little about this
topic.

And by the way Sidney Taurel, president and CEO of Eli Lilly
(the company that manufactures thimerosal) has been appointed
a member of Homeland Security Advisory Council. I guess
anyone who says it aloud is a conspiracy monger, right?

It's probably the way to bet, but it's not proof.

As for studies that allegedly showed no links between thimerosal and
autism - well, anyone with more than a passing interest in the
subject can see some of these studies debunked at
www.safeminds.org.

No, but they can sure see people working themselves into a frenzy
trying to debunk the studies.

And did I mention that the authors of the Danish "study" worked for
Statens Serum Institute, a vaccine manufacturer and promoter? I
assume mentioning this fact also makes me a conspiracy monger.

No, it just fails to prove anything. So what if they worke for a
vaccine manufacturer? Unless you can show that their study is flawed,
I don't care if they work for the National Security Agency.

Thimerosal is out of vaccines in Canada and Denmark and has been for a
decade. Yet autism didn't disappear in those countries, and in fact
it increased. Strangely, the anti-thimerosal nuts never seem to be
able to handle this combination of facts.

The link is very real and very deadly. In three years it will
be common knowledge, like a link between tobacco and lung cancer or
asbestos and cancer.

In three years? Such precision. Is that when the saucer people land
and tell us all about it? I don't think so. If the link were clear,
we'd already be seeing a sharp decline in autism cases in the US,
since thimerosal has been out of most vaccines for 4-5 years now, so
the symptoms, which are usually first spotted between the ages of 2
and 4, would be quite apparently tailing off by now. They aren't.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
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-- Steve Martin

"mike" wrote in message
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On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 12:12:12 +0000, Jeff wrote:

I never claimed that I am a pediatrician. And whether or not you think of
me
as a Quack Vac Flack, whatever that is, we've seen this garbage on the
internet and this newsgroup before. Repeating
it over and over won't make it true.

Calling something garbage does not make it garbage.

Thimerosal is a powerful neurotoxin, this is a fact.
It was injected directly in babies' blood streams

BZZZZT... wrong!!! And I'm sure one of the Rich guys will tell you why
soon.


in quantities
dozens of times exceeding safe levels - another fact.
And by the way Sidney Taurel, president and CEO of Eli Lilly
(the company that manufactures thimerosal) has been appointed
a member of Homeland Security Advisory Council. I guess
anyone who says it aloud is a conspiracy monger, right?
As for studies that allegedly showed no links between
thimerosal and autism - well, anyone with more than a passing
interest in the subject can see some of these studies debunked
at www.safeminds.org. And did I mention that the authors of the
Danish "study" worked for Statens Serum Institute, a vaccine
manufacturer and promoter? I assume mentioning this fact also makes
me a conspiracy monger.

The link is very real and very deadly. In three years it will
be common knowledge, like a link between tobacco and lung cancer or
asbestos and cancer. These links were denied at the time by affected
businesses of course. They were not punished then and will not be punished
this time. They got their profits, the rest of us will be holding the bag.
And hundreds of thousands of kids will never get their stolen lives back.


So what would be more profitable?

Making vaccines that prevent disease?
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/504779

OR...

Making respirators for kids who cannot breath when they have pertussis? Or
the other equipment to keep a kid alive when they have meningitis or
encephalitis from measles or mumps... or Hib? Or the hearing aids for the
kids who become deaf?

Come on!!! Where is the real profit... in the vaccines or the expensive
hospital equipment and rehabilitative supplies?

Or the lovely little tiny coffins? (to steal a line from the TV program
"House").

http://www.chathamjournal.com/weekly...gh-50627.shtml

http://www.kpho.com/Global/story.asp...8&nav=23KubI2R

http://www.havredailynews.com/articl...ines/cough.txt

http://www.thehj.com/main.asp?Sectio...09&TM=17769.93

http://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/a...506070315/1002

Here's an idea... kick out of all the county health departments anyone who
has ever taken a course in biology, immuniology and statistics. Replace
them all with those who have had the exact scientific training of David
Kirby and RF Kennedy, Jr. That way all of our public health policies can be
based on the thoughts of journalists and lawyers who cannot even do simple
research, but know exactly how to selectively quote a long boring document
(even describing the SUBURBAN location of the conference as being isolated!
see
http://autismdiva.blogspot.com/2005/...htree-way.html )
.... then we will be right back where we started at the beginning of the 20th
century (where all those little tiny coffins were necessary, along with the
photographs of the dead children,
http://www.wisconsindeathtrip.com/photos.html


More at http://skeptico.blogs.com/skeptico/2...osal_upda.html

JP Utz claims:

I never claimed that I am a pediatrician.


Guess your medical education didn't extend to the fact that a "KidsDoc"
is a pediatrician.

Thank God you no longer have any license (not even the RESTRICTED one
that let you have for a few years) to "practice" your ignorance on
children.

"mike" wrote in message
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On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 12:12:12 +0000, Jeff wrote:

I never claimed that I am a pediatrician. And whether or not you think of
me
as a Quack Vac Flack, whatever that is, we've seen this garbage on the
internet and this newsgroup before. Repeating
it over and over won't make it true.

Calling something garbage does not make it garbage.

Thimerosal is a powerful neurotoxin, this is a fact.
It was injected directly in babies' blood streams in quantities
dozens of times exceeding safe levels - another fact.

Wrong. It it injected either into the skin or the muscle. A little gets
absorbed directly into the blood stream, but the vast majority of it is not
injected into the blood stream.

And by the way Sidney Taurel, president and CEO of Eli Lilly
(the company that manufactures thimerosal) has been appointed
a member of Homeland Security Advisory Council. I guess
anyone who says it aloud is a conspiracy monger, right?

Why would you guess that?

As for studies that allegedly showed no links between
thimerosal and autism - well, anyone with more than a passing
interest in the subject can see some of these studies debunked
at www.safeminds.org. And did I mention that the authors of the
Danish "study" worked for Statens Serum Institute, a vaccine
manufacturer and promoter? I assume mentioning this fact also makes
me a conspiracy monger.

No. Why would you assume that?

The link is very real and very deadly.

Can you please provide evidence that the link is real and deadly?

In three years it will
be common knowledge, like a link between tobacco and lung cancer or
asbestos and cancer. These links were denied at the time by affected
businesses of course. They were not punished then and will not be punished
this time. They got their profits, the rest of us will be holding the bag.
And hundreds of thousands of kids will never get their stolen lives back.

A problem with this is that there is very little evidence that vaccines
cause autism. If I am incorrect, please show the evidence.

Jeff

"Jeff" wrote in message
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"mike" wrote in message
news
On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 12:12:12 +0000, Jeff wrote:

I never claimed that I am a pediatrician. And whether or not you think
of me
as a Quack Vac Flack, whatever that is, we've seen this garbage on the
internet and this newsgroup before. Repeating
it over and over won't make it true.

Calling something garbage does not make it garbage.

Thimerosal is a powerful neurotoxin, this is a fact.
It was injected directly in babies' blood streams in quantities
dozens of times exceeding safe levels - another fact.

Wrong. It it injected either into the skin or the muscle. A little gets
absorbed directly into the blood stream, but the vast majority of it is
not injected into the blood stream.

http://www.kmsp.com/news/investigato...ry.asp?1638408

Mercury in Flu Shots


Mercury is one of the most toxic chemicals known to man. So what is it
doing in the flu shot you're giving your child? Tonight the fox 9
investigators uncover a medical controversy.



No one likes this moment of guilt and anguish. Certainly not the parents,
who patiently wait in line for their toddler's flu shots. All because their
pediatrician, even the US government, tells them it's the right thing to do.



"He had a terrible reaction after every set of shots."

That's what these parents thought, too.



"She had a reaction to her vaccination..."



"..physical biological problems after every shot."



Their stories are so similar.



"Somewhere between 20 and 24 months he stopped responding to his name."



"Stopped eating, stopped growing, stopped developing, stopped vocalizing.



And they all remember the day...



"No eye contact, no verbal skills, nothing."



Their children...



"It was horrible."



Started slipping away.



"From that point on he was a different kid."



Doctors diagnosed their children with autism.

They weren't born with it. The parents believe it was caused by mercury
poisoning, from a regiment of childhood vaccinations.



The mercury is in a compound called Thimerosal, which is 49 percent mercury
by weight. Thimerosal has been in vaccines since the 1930's. It's used as a
preservative to kill off bacteria and fungus that could actually make people
sick. Thimerosal is what allows the nurse to stick the needle into the vile
over and over again, and still keep the vaccine sterile.



It also ensures sterility during the manufacturing process, which is why
British and US health authorities want to know what went wrong at Chiron's
factory in England. Why didn't thimerosal prevent the contamination of 48
million doses of vaccine, creating the current flu vaccine shortage? But
concerns about Thimersol's effectiveness, are dwarfed by concerns about its
safety for children.



'You have no doubt that Thimeresol caused your sons problem?

' No doubt."



For parents like Nancy Hokkannen the correlation is striking.



"When I look back at vaccination records I see regressions after 6, 18
months."



And she's one of the lucky ones. Her son, Andy, has only borderline autism.



Game over for the other kids who have mercury."



"We had tests run on our sons hair, blood urine and stool. And in January of
2003 the diagnosis came back he had mercury poisoning.

'He had mercury poisoning.'

"Yes, he had toxic level of mercury in his three year old body."



Soon Nancy Hokkanen joined the sad sorority of mercury moms, and began
covering her dining room table with scientific research that's alarming. But
it's also confusing, conflicting, and sometimes even contradictory.



"Unfortunately, this information isn't getting to parents."



So how much mercury ends up in each flu shot? The pharmaceutical industry
says 25 micrograms. That's smaller than a grain of sand. It would be like
a penny size blob of mercury in a 3-gallon jug. You'll find the same
concentration of mercury in a couple cans of tuna fish. Tuna has mercury in
it because of all the smaller fish they eat, which in turn absorbs it from
the environment, from factories and coal burning power plants. But if all
this mercury sounds like a drop in the bucket... Keep in mind, with a flu
shot, mercury, a neurotoxin, is injected right into the blood stream of a
developing child.



"Children get exposed to mercury from many different sources."



Patricia Erdesman is in charge of immunizations for the Minnesota Health
Department. She says while the flu risk for infants is very real, the threat
from Thimerosal, is only theoretical.



"We don't just draw a line in the sand and stay there like a stick in the
muds. We continue to evaluate the data."



But for some parents the messages are sometimes mixed.

Five years ago, the American academy of pediatrics, FDA and CDC, issued a
joint statement saying the "risks of not vaccinating children far outweigh
the unknown risk from Thimerosal."

But at the same time urging vaccine manufacturers to remove "Thimersoal from
children's vaccines as soon as possible."



As of this year, Thimerosal and its mercury remains in only one childhood
vaccination.

The one parents are literally lining up for: Influenza, the flu vaccine.



"Despite what the Health Department says, what it does is even more
interesting. You see the Health Department actually provides flu shots under
its vaccine for children's program. And those shots, the ones the Health
Department is responsible for, do not contain Thimerosal."



Problem is only one drug company makes the mercury free flu vaccine for
children. It's more expensive to produce because it comes in a single vile.



Of the 55 million flu shots available this season, only 7-million doses are
mercury-free. The Health Department has 23-thousand mercury-free shots
available. Not nearly enough for the 104-thousand Minnesota children
between 6 and 23 months of age who need to get a flu shot. Maybe that's why
most parents don't even know it's an option.



Only a few read the fine print at the clinic, telling them their child is
about to get a dose of mercury.



"Did not know about it, would want to know about, still would've come in and
gotten the shot."



"We haven't had any shots that had it in it, until now, until today."



" does not belong in the human body."

Getting rid of mercury is Leo Cashman's mission. He's the director of
Minnesota's Natural Health Coalition.



"Thimersol has caused the autism explosion in the United States, over a ten
fold increase in the last decade, and by the way this explosion has not
occurred in other countries."



But the Minnesota Health Department says the hard evidence for such a claim
doesn't exist.



"The weight of scientific evidence doesn't suggest there's an issue we're
not making a recommendation you get a special vaccine."



"If the evidence is so conclusive why hasn't the CDC done anything about it?
well, I hate to say it but the CDC has conflicts of interest."



Cashman says look no further than the 2002 homeland security act. Tucked
deep inside the bill, an amendment blocking lawsuits against the maker of
Thimerosal, drug giant Eli Lilly. House Majority Leader Dick Armey said he
put the amendment in there so the drug company wouldn't go broke from
lawsuits. That provision of the law was later repealed. Many of these
parents are among the four thousand families in the US, now suing the drug
companies over Thimerosal. Over the years they've had their concerns
dismissed..



"it's fine don't worry about it."



....even ridiculed.



"I did see at one of the clinics on the outside of the file, mother is
overly concerned."



Her daughter, Lilly, died at age 2 from epileptic seizures, just a few days
after a round of shots. Most of the other children are showing significant
improvement, after undergoing treatment to detoxify their body through
vitamins and diet. But what their parents want now, more than anything
else, is to know their children's suffering is not in vain.



"We don't want any parent to have to go through what we've gone through. We
believe our children have gone through enough"



And by the way Sidney Taurel, president and CEO of Eli Lilly
(the company that manufactures thimerosal) has been appointed
a member of Homeland Security Advisory Council. I guess
anyone who says it aloud is a conspiracy monger, right?

Why would you guess that?

As for studies that allegedly showed no links between
thimerosal and autism - well, anyone with more than a passing
interest in the subject can see some of these studies debunked
at www.safeminds.org. And did I mention that the authors of the
Danish "study" worked for Statens Serum Institute, a vaccine
manufacturer and promoter? I assume mentioning this fact also makes
me a conspiracy monger.

No. Why would you assume that?

The link is very real and very deadly.

Can you please provide evidence that the link is real and deadly?

In three years it will
be common knowledge, like a link between tobacco and lung cancer or
asbestos and cancer. These links were denied at the time by affected
businesses of course. They were not punished then and will not be
punished
this time. They got their profits, the rest of us will be holding the
bag.
And hundreds of thousands of kids will never get their stolen lives back.

A problem with this is that there is very little evidence that vaccines
cause autism. If I am incorrect, please show the evidence.

Jeff

You been shown, you still keep asking.

Jan