Are antidepressant drugs an accomplice in the Virginia Tech shootings?

"JOHN" wrote:



gun control http://www.whale.to/b/gun_control.html


John's a gun nut. I wish I had had a bet on that.
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Certain brain activities trigger people on Prozac to become homicidal or
suicidal. Thanks to research by Illuminati controlled companies, the Network
knows exactly how to used ELF waves vectored on a particular person by 3
separate towers to stimulate the Prozac controlled brain to murder. This is
being used to increase acts of anarchy and violence in order to help insure
anti-gun legislation. If a slave doesn't comply or needs to be thrown from
the Freedom Train they can become a useable statistic. Simply trigger them
to murder and then watch the police gun them down. The NWO gains one more
statistic and another case to scare the public into accepting gun control.
The Illuminati Formula 6. The Use of Electricity & Electronics

"JOHN" wrote in message
...

Certain brain activities trigger people on Prozac to become homicidal or
suicidal. Thanks to research by Illuminati controlled companies, the
Network knows exactly how to used ELF waves vectored on a particular
person by 3 separate towers to stimulate the Prozac controlled brain to
murder.

This is priceless. I have not seen something this funny in a long time. ;-)

This is being used to increase acts of anarchy and violence in order to
help insure anti-gun legislation. If a slave doesn't comply or needs to be
thrown from the Freedom Train they can become a useable statistic. Simply
trigger them to murder and then watch the police gun them down. The NWO
gains one more statistic and another case to scare the public into
accepting gun control. The Illuminati Formula 6. The Use of Electricity &
Electronics

Have you thought of starting your own comedy podcasts?

Maybe you could make a deal to replace Imus in the US.

You could call it the "clueless show."

Jeff

"JOHN" wrote:


Certain brain activities trigger people on Prozac to become homicidal or
suicidal. Thanks to research by Illuminati controlled companies, the Network
knows exactly how to used ELF waves vectored on a particular person by 3
separate towers to stimulate the Prozac controlled brain to murder. This is
being used to increase acts of anarchy and violence in order to help insure
anti-gun legislation. If a slave doesn't comply or needs to be thrown from
the Freedom Train they can become a useable statistic. Simply trigger them
to murder and then watch the police gun them down. The NWO gains one more
statistic and another case to scare the public into accepting gun control.
The Illuminati Formula 6. The Use of Electricity & Electronics


****! I must speak to the Illuminati librarian about changing the
locks. The secrets are getting out again.
--
Peter Bowditch aa #2243
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com

On Apr 19, 8:31 am, Mark Probert wrote:
bigvince wrote:
On Apr 18, 10:47 pm, Mark Probert
wrote:
bigvince wrote:
On Apr 18, 7:05 pm, "Jeff" wrote:
"Tim Campbell" wrote in message
egroups.com...
On Apr 18, 5:23 pm, "Jeff" wrote:
Anything is possible. But the people who did the killing also had
problems
with depression. It like saying that frequent urination causes diabetes
because people with diabetes pee a lot.
Except that violence to self or others is a common occurrence with the
use of this type of drug even among those who are only mildly
depressed.
How common? Evidence, please.
Jeff
There is a lot of evidence that antidepresants can
cause an increase in suicide . The FDA has required that warning be
put on these drugs Here's some evidence to show they also increase
other hostile acts. a href = "
http://www.NewsTarget.com/021798.html"Are antidepressant drugs an
accomplice in the Virginia Tech shootings? (opinion)/
a
" Researchers from Cardiff University in Britain and the Cochrane
Centre examined data on Paxil -- or its generic form, paroxetine --
from GlaxoSmithKline, legal cases and emails from nearly 1,400
patients who responded to a British TV program on antidepressants. The
researchers found that 60 out of 9,219 people taking Paxil -- 0.65
percent -- experienced a "hostility event," compared to 20 out of
6,455 patients taking placebo, or 0.31 percent." from News target.
.................................................. ..........................**...................... .........................
See Antidepressants and Violence: Problems at the Interface of
Medicine and Law, by David Healy, Andrew Herxheimer, David B. Menkes)
PLos med article
Highlights more hostile events in antidepressant group than
placebo group about twice as many. More hostile events in HEALTHY
SUBJECTS an antidepressants than on placebo. Any one interested should
look at the research for them
Except that there has been further study of this issue. I posted an
artile under the subject line: Benefits of Antidepressants Outweigh Risk
of Suicidal Behavior in Adolescents which you should read in its
entirety. Perhapseven finding the study itself will help you update your
knowledge.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

First lets get some really basic facts straight. There was no new
study. What was published in JAMA was a meta-analysis so your first
statement that furter study was done is inaccurate

A meta-analysis is a study that utilizes information from previous
studies. It is a "study of studies".

It provides no new information. It really is aform that can be used to distill or "Cook data.

your posting. I also read the meta-analysis The authors had concern
about many aspects of the study mixed quality of data in the studies
and several other technical problems.

The sign of a good meta-analysis.
No a sign that even the authors realized that thae data they were working with was not of the nature to allow a very definate conclusion.Garbage in Garbage out
They admitted that suicide ideas

increased and said "some might argue that any risk of suicide ideation
or attempt cannot possibly justify treatment with antidepressants for
children or adolescents." They concluded "We believe that the
strength of evidence presented here supports the cautious and well-
monitored use of antidepressant medications as one of the first-line
treatment options'" .The data is really not very convincing.

To you, perhaps. What I found most interesting is that they found no
instances of suicide. IOW, none of the violent behavior that the
anti-medication crowd bleats and brays about.
The authors of the study admitted that many of the studies they looked at were not powered to show such a difference . Many studies that have looked at this issue have concluded that these drugs increase the instance of suicide .The FDA who has looked at all the data concluded that a black box warning be placed on these drugs.
They also

called for further study. They looked at the same data that the FDA
had looked at when they called for a black box warning, Read more
" http://www.medpagetoday.com/Psychiat...ssion/tb1/5454

I read it. More study is a great idea. However, based on the current
state of knowledge, antidepressants appear to prevent violent behavior.- Hide quoted text -
If you include suicide as an example of violent the FDA does not share your view. And there are many studies that show an increase in hostile acts when people are treated with these drugs as opposed to placebo

On Apr 19, 10:13 am, bigvince wrote:
On Apr 19, 8:31 am, Mark Probert wrote:



bigvince wrote:
On Apr 18, 10:47 pm, Mark Probert
wrote:
bigvince wrote:
On Apr 18, 7:05 pm, "Jeff" wrote:
"Tim Campbell" wrote in message
egroups.com...
On Apr 18, 5:23 pm, "Jeff" wrote:
Anything is possible. But the people who did the killing also had
problems
with depression. It like saying that frequent urination causes diabetes
because people with diabetes pee a lot.
Except that violence to self or others is a common occurrence with the
use of this type of drug even among those who are only mildly
depressed.
How common? Evidence, please.
Jeff
There is a lot of evidence that antidepresants can
cause an increase in suicide . The FDA has required that warning be
put on these drugs Here's some evidence to show they also increase
other hostile acts. a href = "
http://www.NewsTarget.com/021798.html"Are antidepressant drugs an
accomplice in the Virginia Tech shootings? (opinion)/
a
" Researchers from Cardiff University in Britain and the Cochrane
Centre examined data on Paxil -- or its generic form, paroxetine --
from GlaxoSmithKline, legal cases and emails from nearly 1,400
patients who responded to a British TV program on antidepressants. The
researchers found that 60 out of 9,219 people taking Paxil -- 0.65
percent -- experienced a "hostility event," compared to 20 out of
6,455 patients taking placebo, or 0.31 percent." from News target.
.................................................. ..........................***..................... ..........................
See Antidepressants and Violence: Problems at the Interface of
Medicine and Law, by David Healy, Andrew Herxheimer, David B. Menkes)
PLos med article
Highlights more hostile events in antidepressant group than
placebo group about twice as many. More hostile events in HEALTHY
SUBJECTS an antidepressants than on placebo. Any one interested should
look at the research for them
Except that there has been further study of this issue. I posted an
artile under the subject line: Benefits of Antidepressants Outweigh Risk
of Suicidal Behavior in Adolescents which you should read in its
entirety. Perhapseven finding the study itself will help you update your
knowledge.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

First lets get some really basic facts straight. There was no new
study. What was published in JAMA was a meta-analysis so your first
statement that furter study was done is inaccurate

A meta-analysis is a study that utilizes information from previous
studies. It is a "study of studies".

It provides no new information. It really is aform that can be used to distill or "Cook data.

your posting. I also read the meta-analysis The authors had concern
about many aspects of the study mixed quality of data in the studies
and several other technical problems.

The sign of a good meta-analysis.
No a sign that even the authors realized that thae data they were working with was not of the nature to allow a very definate conclusion.Garbage in Garbage out
They admitted that suicide ideas

increased and said "some might argue that any risk of suicide ideation
or attempt cannot possibly justify treatment with antidepressants for
children or adolescents." They concluded "We believe that the
strength of evidence presented here supports the cautious and well-
monitored use of antidepressant medications as one of the first-line
treatment options'" .The data is really not very convincing.

To you, perhaps. What I found most interesting is that they found no
instances of suicide. IOW, none of the violent behavior that the
anti-medication crowd bleats and brays about.
The authors of the study admitted that many of the studies they looked at were not powered to show such a difference . Many studies that have looked at this issue have concluded that these drugs increase the instance of suicide .The FDA who has looked at all the data concluded that a black box warning be placed on these drugs.
They also

called for further study. They looked at the same data that the FDA
had looked at when they called for a black box warning, Read more
" http://www.medpagetoday.com/Psychiat...ssion/tb1/5454

I read it. More study is a great idea. However, based on the current
state of knowledge, antidepressants appear to prevent violent behavior.- Hide quoted text -
If you include suicide as an example of violent the FDA does not share your view. And there are many studies that show an increase in hostile acts when people are treated with these drugs as opposed to placebo- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The authours also said that they wanted the black box warning removed

In article ,
JOHN wrote:

Certain brain activities trigger people on Prozac to become homicidal or
suicidal. Thanks to research by Illuminati controlled companies, the Network
knows exactly how to used ELF waves vectored on a particular person by 3
separate towers to stimulate the Prozac controlled brain to murder. This is
being used to increase acts of anarchy and violence in order to help insure
anti-gun legislation. If a slave doesn't comply or needs to be thrown from
the Freedom Train they can become a useable statistic. Simply trigger them
to murder and then watch the police gun them down. The NWO gains one more
statistic and another case to scare the public into accepting gun control.
The Illuminati Formula 6. The Use of Electricity & Electronics

I'd like anyone who thinks that either John or whale.to are useful
sources of information to keep this posting in mind, 'kay?

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"HPV shots don't cause promiscuity. Tequila shots do." -- Bill Maher

"David Wright" wrote in message
. net...
In article ,
JOHN wrote:

Certain brain activities trigger people on Prozac to become homicidal or
suicidal. Thanks to research by Illuminati controlled companies, the
Network
knows exactly how to used ELF waves vectored on a particular person by 3
separate towers to stimulate the Prozac controlled brain to murder. This
is
being used to increase acts of anarchy and violence in order to help
insure
anti-gun legislation. If a slave doesn't comply or needs to be thrown from
the Freedom Train they can become a useable statistic. Simply trigger them
to murder and then watch the police gun them down. The NWO gains one more
statistic and another case to scare the public into accepting gun control.
The Illuminati Formula 6. The Use of Electricity & Electronics

I'd like anyone who thinks that either John or whale.to are useful
sources of information to keep this posting in mind, 'kay?

This thought has crossed my mind, too.

Jeff


-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"HPV shots don't cause promiscuity. Tequila shots do." -- Bill Maher

On Apr 19, 12:23 pm, (David Wright) wrote:
In article ,

JOHN wrote:

Certain brain activities trigger people on Prozac to become homicidal or
suicidal. Thanks to research by Illuminati controlled companies, the Network
knows exactly how to used ELF waves vectored on a particular person by 3
separate towers to stimulate the Prozac controlled brain to murder. This is
being used to increase acts of anarchy and violence in order to help insure
anti-gun legislation. If a slave doesn't comply or needs to be thrown from
the Freedom Train they can become a useable statistic. Simply trigger them
to murder and then watch the police gun them down. The NWO gains one more
statistic and another case to scare the public into accepting gun control.
The Illuminati Formula 6. The Use of Electricity & Electronics

I'd like anyone who thinks that either John or whale.to are useful
sources of information to keep this posting in mind, 'kay?

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"HPV shots don't cause promiscuity. Tequila shots do." -- Bill Maher

David you are far to intelligent to think that is logical. John latest
posting seems irrational .To say that that means anything he quoted
from the whale cite lacks validity. Whould be like saying anything he
quoted from any source even the constitution calls the constitution
into question. I still want someone to explain to me why injecting
mercury into infants was a good idea. Thanks vince

"bigvince" wrote in message
ps.com...

...

David you are far to intelligent to think that is logical. John latest
posting seems irrational .To say that that means anything he quoted
from the whale cite lacks validity. Whould be like saying anything he
quoted from any source even the constitution calls the constitution
into question. I still want someone to explain to me why injecting
mercury into infants was a good idea. Thanks vince

Thimerasol is a mercury compound that, in small quantities, prevents
bacteria from growing in vaccines. It has never been shown to be harmful in
the concentrations used.

However, it should be removed from all vaccines.

Jeff