Multiple Chemical Sensitivity - The End of Controversy

On Oct 17, 2:55 pm, Ilena Rose wrote:
May God protect these brave scientists from the ravages of the MCS
fake skeptics.

http://ilenarose.blogspot.com
Health Lover

Written by Dr. Martin Pall/Matthew Hogg
Wednesday, 17 October 2007

http://www.ei-resource.org/articles/...ensitivity-art...

No, this won't be the end of the controversy. Some just won't believe
what they don't want to know.

Medusa

AA #2281

On Oct 18, 7:39 am, The One True Zhen Jue
wrote:

That's exactly what we've been telling you about your refusal to
accept the true nature of your disorder.
If you had agoraphobia, would you blame your house? If you had
acrophobia, would claim that altitude is holding you hostage?

Why is it different when its the BELIEFE that chemicals are harming
you? Why can't you accept the results of high quality, rigidly
controlled, REPLICATED studies done world-wide? This somatization
disorder is far more debilitating than your symptoms, it has you
living as a victim when you could be free to have a normal life.

Re-read the studies that Mark & I have posted. Accept the truth and
realize the problem is internal and non-organic. With some time &
help, you can live without fear of chemicals. Doesn't that sound
appealing?

When will you accept the truth that you don't know everything?

Medusa

AA #2281

On Oct 18, 2:07 am, "
wrote:
On Oct 17, 6:00 pm, Medusa wrote: No, this won't be the end of the controversy. Some will just not
believe what they don't want to know.

As long as the paymaster is dishing out rewards, these kinds of
idiotic postings will keep being
posted. When the payment money runs out, just what are these people
going to do for money?

That's what I wonder; is somebody paying them to post this crap?

Medusa

AA #2281

wrote:
On Oct 17, 6:00 pm, Medusa wrote:
No, this won't be the end of the controversy. Some will just not
believe what they don't want to know.


As long as the paymaster is dishing out rewards, these kinds of
idiotic postings will keep being
posted. When the payment money runs out, just what are these people
going to do for money?


Care to provide any proof that anyone is being paid to post here? One
pro-alt poster is paid to sell vitamins.

Medusa wrote:
On Oct 18, 2:07 am, "
wrote:
On Oct 17, 6:00 pm, Medusa wrote: No, this won't be the end of the controversy. Some will just not
believe what they don't want to know.
As long as the paymaster is dishing out rewards, these kinds of
idiotic postings will keep being
posted. When the payment money runs out, just what are these people
going to do for money?

That's what I wonder; is somebody paying them to post this crap?

The last vestige of one who cannot disprove...

Mark Probert wrote:

Medusa wrote:
On Oct 18, 2:07 am, "
wrote:
On Oct 17, 6:00 pm, Medusa wrote: No, this won't be the end of the controversy. Some will just not
believe what they don't want to know.
As long as the paymaster is dishing out rewards, these kinds of
idiotic postings will keep being
posted. When the payment money runs out, just what are these people
going to do for money?

That's what I wonder; is somebody paying them to post this crap?

The last vestige of one who cannot disprove...

I think you mean the last "refuge".

This always seems to happen. When the clinical
evidence is entirely in favor of one conclusion,
the opponents of the conclusion attack the
person pointing out that fact.

I suppose they have no choice. Their minds
are too closed to accept any conclusion other
than the one they've bought into, and so the
only position they can be comfortable with
is to claim that somebody is being paid off
and the absurd proposition that the entire
research community is part of an international
conspiracy to suppress information favorable
to their delusions.

After all, why else would 20 or more years
of research fail to find any phyiological
basis for their symptoms? Their minds simply
cannot handle the conclusion that there is
no such basis. They cannot see that their
close-mindedness is exactly consistent with
the mechanism observed in the clinical setting
by which MCS is self-perpetuating. Not being
able to break out of that mindset is what
sustains the condition.

Mark Thorson wrote:
Mark Probert wrote:
Medusa wrote:
On Oct 18, 2:07 am, "
wrote:
On Oct 17, 6:00 pm, Medusa wrote: No, this won't be the end of the controversy. Some will just not
believe what they don't want to know.
As long as the paymaster is dishing out rewards, these kinds of
idiotic postings will keep being
posted. When the payment money runs out, just what are these people
going to do for money?
That's what I wonder; is somebody paying them to post this crap?
The last vestige of one who cannot disprove...

I think you mean the last "refuge".

Yeah, that too.

This always seems to happen. When the clinical
evidence is entirely in favor of one conclusion,
the opponents of the conclusion attack the
person pointing out that fact.

Or, they come up with a logical fallacy, or claim that more research is
needed, or that there is a conspiracy, or that....

I suppose they have no choice. Their minds
are too closed to accept any conclusion other
than the one they've bought into, and so the
only position they can be comfortable with
is to claim that somebody is being paid off
and the absurd proposition that the entire
research community is part of an international
conspiracy to suppress information favorable
to their delusions.

After all, why else would 20 or more years
of research fail to find any phyiological
basis for their symptoms? Their minds simply
cannot handle the conclusion that there is
no such basis. They cannot see that their
close-mindedness is exactly consistent with
the mechanism observed in the clinical setting
by which MCS is self-perpetuating. Not being
able to break out of that mindset is what
sustains the condition.

It is PART of the condition.

Chronic sinusitis caused mine(MCS: Environmental Allergies &
Sensitivities). When I cured the sinusitis it went away!!!!! PA

On Oct 17, 2:55 pm, Ilena Rose wrote:
May God protect these brave scientists from the ravages of the MCS
fake skeptics.

http://ilenarose.blogspot.com
Health Lover

Written by Dr. Martin Pall/Matthew Hogg
Wednesday, 17 October 2007

http://www.ei-resource.org/articles/...ensitivity-art...

Multiple chemical sensitivity (MCS), where people report being
exquisitely sensitive to a wide range of organic chemicals, is almost
always described as being "controversial." The main source of this
supposed controversy is that there has been no plausible physiological
mechanism for MCS and consequently, it was difficult to interpret the
puzzling reported features of this condition. As discussed below, this
is no longer true and consequently the main source of such controversy
has been laid to rest. There still are important issues such as how it
should be diagnosed and treated and these may also be allayed by
further studies of the mechanism discussed below.

The descriptions of MCS made by a several different research groups
are remarkably consistent. MCS sufferers report being hypersensitive
to a wide variety of hydrophobic organic solvents, including gasoline
vapor, perfume, diesel or jet engine exhaust, new or remodeled
buildings where building materials or carpeting has outgassed various
solvents, vapors associated with copy machines, many solvents used in
industrial settings, cleaning materials and cigarette and other smoke.
Each of these is known to have volatile hydrophobic organic compounds
as a prominent part of its composition. The symptoms of MCS sufferers
report having on such solvent exposure include multiorgan pain
typically including headache, muscle pain and joint pain, dizziness,
cognitive dysfunction including confusion, lack of memory, and lack of
concentration. These symptoms are often accompanied by some of a wide
range of more variable symptoms. The major symptoms reported on
chemical exposure in MCS are strikingly similar to the chronic
symptoms in chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS) and may be explained by
mech anisms previously proposed for the CFS symptoms
(1). Perhaps the best source of information on the properties and
science of MCS is the Ashford and Miller book

(3). Most MCS sufferers trace their sensitivity to chemicals to a
chemical exposure at a particular time in their life, often a single,
high level exposure to organic solvents or to certain pesticides,
notably organophosphates or carbamates.

Some MCS cases are traced to a time period where the person lived or
worked in a particular new or newly remodeled building ("sick building
syndrome") .

TOTZJ, your opinion isn't worth $0.02! When I cured my chronic
sinusitis my MCS went away that day!!!!! PA

On Oct 18, 7:41 am, The One True Zhen Jue
wrote:
On Oct 18, 3:03 am, "
wrote:

There is NO controversy, just denial from the paranoia gallery.

It exists as a somatization disorder. Its a psychiatric disorder,
not
an organic disease. If you disagree, please state the organic basis
of this somatization disorder.

TOTZJ, what are your credentials and/or experience with MCS? NONE!!!!!
PA


On Oct 17, 4:09 pm, The One True Zhen Jue
wrote:
There is NO controversy, just denial from the paranoia gallery.

MCS is a somatization disorder. It is not an organic illness. It is
not mediated by chemicals, but the BELIEF that chemicals are present.
These are facts. These facts are borne out through replicated,
controlled studies.

Lying to people and enabling a victim mindset are inexcusible. They
do nothing to help and everything to hurt people whose somatization
takes this form.

You're Welcome!