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FDA Alert: Watch for Suicide of Kids on AD's 10/27/03
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Watch for Suicide with Depression Drugs, FDA Says Mon October 27, 2003 02:31 PM ET Entire story. http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...t§ion=news Key points WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Food and Drug Administration issued a public health advisory on Monday to alert doctors to reports that children and teen-agers with major depression thought about or attempted suicide in several clinical trials of antidepressants. The FDA said it had reviewed reports about eight antidepressant drugs -- Paxil, Prozac, citalopram, fluvoxamine, mirtazapine, nefazodone, sertraline, and venlafaxine. Experts say an estimated 750,000 U.S. adolescents suffer from depression and 500,000 attempt suicide every year. |
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FDA Alert: Watch for Suicide of Kids on AD's 10/27/03
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 00:42:30 GMT, "Nick" wrote:
X-No-Archive: Yes Watch for Suicide with Depression Drugs, FDA Says Mon October 27, 2003 02:31 PM ET Entire story. http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...t§ion=news Key points the whole thing--and when reading it NB: 1) it is acknowledging that it is saying nothing new 2) it is not purporting a link between antidepressants and suicidal ideation 3) it notes that depression (not medication) is the leading cause of suicide just a slightly different spin than what the original poster put on it by selectively quoting Mon October 27, 2003 02:31 PM ET WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Food and Drug Administration issued a public health advisory on Monday to alert doctors to reports that children and teen-agers with major depression thought about or attempted suicide in several clinical trials of antidepressants. Only one drug, fluoxetine, sold by Eli Lilly and Co. under the name Prozac, is approved for treating pediatric depression. But doctors are free to prescribe any approved drug and several are being tested. "The data do not clearly establish an association between the use of these drugs and increased suicidal thoughts or actions by pediatric patients," the FDA said in a statement. "Nevertheless, it is not possible at this point to rule out an increased risk of these adverse events for any of these drugs, including Paxil (paroxetine)." Paxil is made by GlaxoSmithKline Plc . "The labeling of antidepressant drugs already carries precautionary language that the possibility of a suicide attempt is inherent in major depressive disorder and may persist until significant remission occurs. Close supervision of high-risk patients should accompany initial drug therapy," the FDA advised. It said no one should stop taking the drugs abruptly, and certainly not without consulting a doctor. The FDA said it had reviewed reports about eight antidepressant drugs -- Paxil, Prozac, citalopram, fluvoxamine, mirtazapine, nefazodone, sertraline, and venlafaxine. "FDA is aware of press and medical journal reports of suicide attempts and completed suicides in pediatric patients receiving antidepressants, and many such reports have also been submitted to FDA as spontaneous reports," the agency said. But it said it is hard to tell whether the drugs actually caused the suicide, because depression is the leading cause of suicide. The FDA has scheduled a meeting on Feb. 2, 2004, of the Psychopharmacologic Drugs Advisory committee and the Pediatric Subcommittee of the Anti-Infective Drugs Advisory Committee. Experts say an estimated 750,000 U.S. adolescents suffer from depression and 500,000 attempt suicide every year. About 1,700 succeed. WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Food and Drug Administration issued a public health advisory on Monday to alert doctors to reports that children and teen-agers with major depression thought about or attempted suicide in several clinical trials of antidepressants. The FDA said it had reviewed reports about eight antidepressant drugs -- Paxil, Prozac, citalopram, fluvoxamine, mirtazapine, nefazodone, sertraline, and venlafaxine. Experts say an estimated 750,000 U.S. adolescents suffer from depression and 500,000 attempt suicide every year. ================================================== == Ruby stepped toward him. "Edward," she said softly. "Learn this from me. Holding anger is a poison. It eats you from inside. We think that hating is a weapon that attacks the person who harmed us. But hatred is a curved blade. And the harm we do, we do to ourselves. "Forgive, Edward, Forgive. Do you remember the lightness you felt when you first arrived in heaven?... No one is born with anger. And when we die, the soul is freed of it. But now, here, in order to move on, you must understand WHY you felt what you did, and WHY you no longer need to feel it. "Yo need to forgive your father." Mitch Albom, "the five people you meet in heaven" http://home.gwi.net/~mdmpsyd/index.htm |
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FDA Alert: Watch for Suicide of Kids on AD's 10/27/03
On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:54:57 -0500, Mark D Morin
wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 00:42:30 GMT, "Nick" wrote: X-No-Archive: Yes Watch for Suicide with Depression Drugs, FDA Says Mon October 27, 2003 02:31 PM ET Entire story. http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...t§ion=news Key points the whole thing--and when reading it NB: 1) it is acknowledging that it is saying nothing new That the FDA is concerned enough to put out an alert is certainly new. and headine despite your attempts at minimisation. 2) it is not purporting a link between antidepressants and suicidal ideation It is saying the data do not establish a CLEAR link.. hardly the same "Nevertheless, it is not possible at this point to rule out an increased risk of these adverse events for any of these drugs, including Paxil (paroxetine)." 3) it notes that depression (not medication) is the leading cause of suicide "But it said it is hard to tell whether the drugs actually caused the suicide, because depression is the leading cause of suicide." hardly the same just a slightly different spin than what the original poster put on it by selectively quoting The only spin I see is yours. |
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FDA Alert: Watch for Suicide of Kids on AD's 10/27/03
"jake" wrote in message
news | On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:54:57 -0500, snipped The original FDA alert was with regards to clinical studies evidencing SSRI's activate suicidal ideations in non-suicidal people. The FDA followed up that alert up with one warning clinical studies evidence Effexor activates suicide ideations in non-suidical people. This FDA alert is newsworthy because the FDA expanded the alert to include two more AD's....Serzone and Remeron. Remeron being added to the list is most especially newsworthy because, Remeron isn't generally perceived to be similiar to the SSRI's, or SNRI's or Effexor. If or should I say, when the FDA get's around to adding Lexapro to the list, making it 9 AD's altogether, I will post that FDA alert too. |
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FDA Alert: Watch for Suicide of Kids on AD's 10/27/03
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 02:16:53 +0000, jake wrote:
On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:54:57 -0500, Mark D Morin wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 00:42:30 GMT, "Nick" wrote: X-No-Archive: Yes Watch for Suicide with Depression Drugs, FDA Says Mon October 27, 2003 02:31 PM ET Entire story. http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...t§ion=news Key points the whole thing--and when reading it NB: 1) it is acknowledging that it is saying nothing new That the FDA is concerned enough to put out an alert is certainly new. and headine despite your attempts at minimisation. If I minimized, so did the alert as it repeated that this is not based on new findings. 2) it is not purporting a link between antidepressants and suicidal ideation It is saying the data do not establish a CLEAR link..hardly the same Well, what it *says* is "The data do not clearly establish an association between the use of these drugs and increased suicidal thoughts or actions by pediatric patients." I think most readers are intelligent enough to form their own opinions based the entire text rather than paragraphs quoted here and there. "Nevertheless, it is not possible at this point to rule out an increased risk of these adverse events for any of these drugs, including Paxil (paroxetine)." and the next sentence was: "The labeling of antidepressant drugs already carries precautionary language that the possibility of a suicide attempt is inherent in major depressive disorder and may persist until significant remission occurs. Close supervision of high-risk patients should accompany initial drug therapy," the FDA advised. i.e., nothing new. 3) it notes that depression (not medication) is the leading cause of suicide "But it said it is hard to tell whether the drugs actually caused the suicide, because depression is the leading cause of suicide." hardly the same Try reading the sentence you quoted again. just a slightly different spin than what the original poster put on it by selectively quoting The only spin I see is yours. Thats probably because of your particular set of biases--Linda being one of the biggest. ================================================== == Ruby stepped toward him. "Edward," she said softly. "Learn this from me. Holding anger is a poison. It eats you from inside. We think that hating is a weapon that attacks the person who harmed us. But hatred is a curved blade. And the harm we do, we do to ourselves. "Forgive, Edward, Forgive. Do you remember the lightness you felt when you first arrived in heaven?... No one is born with anger. And when we die, the soul is freed of it. But now, here, in order to move on, you must understand WHY you felt what you did, and WHY you no longer need to feel it. "Yo need to forgive your father." Mitch Albom, "the five people you meet in heaven" http://home.gwi.net/~mdmpsyd/index.htm |
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FDA Alert: Watch for Suicide of Kids on AD's 10/27/03
On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 21:55:26 -0500, Mark D Morin
wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 02:16:53 +0000, jake wrote: On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:54:57 -0500, Mark D Morin wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 00:42:30 GMT, "Nick" wrote: X-No-Archive: Yes Watch for Suicide with Depression Drugs, FDA Says Mon October 27, 2003 02:31 PM ET Entire story. http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...t§ion=news Key points the whole thing--and when reading it NB: 1) it is acknowledging that it is saying nothing new That the FDA is concerned enough to put out an alert is certainly new. and headine despite your attempts at minimisation. If I minimized, so did the alert as it repeated that this is not based on new findings. an alert is quite the opposite of minimising the dangers.. It is drawing attention to them.. 2) it is not purporting a link between antidepressants and suicidal ideation It is saying the data do not establish a CLEAR link..hardly the same Well, what it *says* is "The data do not clearly establish an association between the use of these drugs and increased suicidal thoughts or actions by pediatric patients." I think most readers are intelligent enough to form their own opinions based the entire text rather than paragraphs quoted here and there. clearly you do not think any such thing ...as your spinning would then be redundant For most readers..I supect the original Reuters headline is clear enough.. Watch for Suicide with Depression Drugs, FDA Says Mon October 27, 2003 02:31 PM ET WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Food and Drug Administration issued a public health advisory on Monday to alert doctors to reports that children and teen-agers with major depression thought about or attempted suicide in several clinical trials of antidepressants. "Nevertheless, it is not possible at this point to rule out an increased risk of these adverse events for any of these drugs, including Paxil (paroxetine)." Close supervision of high-risk patients should accompany initial drug therapy," the FDA advised. i.e., nothing new. nothing new? It is certainly new to the millions of people prescribed these prescribed these drugs by a GP ..without an initial psychiatric assessment..let alone any monitoring or supervision of any kind..close or otherwise.. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands ordering them on the internet without ever seeing a doctor.. 3) it notes that depression (not medication) is the leading cause of suicide "But it said it is hard to tell whether the drugs actually caused the suicide, because depression is the leading cause of suicide." hardly the same Try reading the sentence you quoted again. perhaps you should ..without your alterations.. The report certainly does not rule out suicidal depression brought on by medications as in the case of the Paxil "normal volunteers.. Just what part of "it said it is hard to tell whether the drugs actually caused the suicide" do you fail to understand? just a slightly different spin than what the original poster put on it by selectively quoting The only spin I see is yours. Thats probably because of your particular set of biases--Linda being one of the biggest. I will discuss issues ..such as children attempting suicide whilst undergoing clinical trials for drug companies..but your obsession with Linda you will have to deal with on your own.. __ "When society turns a blind eye to the dangers of drugs and rushes to embrace a pharmaceutical cure for nearly every condition, there is almost no end to the harm that may result". Thomas.J.Moore |
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FDA Alert: Watch for Suicide of Kids on AD's 10/27/03
"jake" wrote in message ... | On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 21:55:26 -0500, Mark D Morin | wrote: | | Thats probably because of your particular set of biases--Linda being | one of the biggest. | | I will discuss issues ..such as children attempting suicide whilst | undergoing clinical trials for drug companies..but your obsession with | Linda you will have to deal with on your own.. If he is so obsessed with L that he is attempting to press others into service as proxy for L, perhaps, he ought to seek professional help and have a therapist act as the proxy. |
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FDA Alert: Watch for Suicide of Kids on AD's 10/27/03
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 02:45:07 GMT, "Annelisa"
wrote: "jake" wrote in message news | On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:54:57 -0500, snipped The original FDA alert was with regards to clinical studies evidencing SSRI's activate suicidal ideations in non-suicidal people. Could you post that alert linda? I'm willing to bet that that is NOT what it said. ================================================== == Ruby stepped toward him. "Edward," she said softly. "Learn this from me. Holding anger is a poison. It eats you from inside. We think that hating is a weapon that attacks the person who harmed us. But hatred is a curved blade. And the harm we do, we do to ourselves. "Forgive, Edward, Forgive. Do you remember the lightness you felt when you first arrived in heaven?... No one is born with anger. And when we die, the soul is freed of it. But now, here, in order to move on, you must understand WHY you felt what you did, and WHY you no longer need to feel it. "Yo need to forgive your father." Mitch Albom, "the five people you meet in heaven" http://home.gwi.net/~mdmpsyd/index.htm |
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FDA Alert: Watch for Suicide of Kids on AD's 10/27/03
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 03:30:23 +0000, jake wrote:
I think most readers are intelligent enough to form their own opinions based the entire text rather than paragraphs quoted here and there. clearly you do not think any such thing ..as your spinning would then be redundant Clearly you and linda are the two who cut and paste info from the alert. For most readers..I supect the original Reuters headline is clear enough.. Watch for Suicide with Depression Drugs, FDA Says Mon October 27, 2003 02:31 PM ET WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Food and Drug Administration issued a public health advisory on Monday to alert doctors to reports that children and teen-agers with major depression thought about or attempted suicide in several clinical trials of antidepressants. "Nevertheless, it is not possible at this point to rule out an increased risk of these adverse events for any of these drugs, including Paxil (paroxetine)." Close supervision of high-risk patients should accompany initial drug therapy," the FDA advised. i.e., nothing new. nothing new? that's correct It is certainly new to the millions of people prescribed these prescribed these drugs by a GP ..without an initial psychiatric assessment..let alone any monitoring or supervision of any kind..close or otherwise.. It's been on the warning lables and general print outs each patient gets from the pharmacist for ages. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands ordering them on the internet without ever seeing a doctor.. 3) it notes that depression (not medication) is the leading cause of suicide "But it said it is hard to tell whether the drugs actually caused the suicide, because depression is the leading cause of suicide." hardly the same Try reading the sentence you quoted again. perhaps you should ..without your alterations.. no alterations jake. The report certainly does not rule out suicidal depression brought on by medications as in the case of the Paxil "normal volunteers.. Just what part of "it said it is hard to tell whether the drugs actually caused the suicide" do you fail to understand? I understand it just fine. What part don't you understand just a slightly different spin than what the original poster put on it by selectively quoting The only spin I see is yours. Thats probably because of your particular set of biases--Linda being one of the biggest. I will discuss issues ..such as children attempting suicide whilst undergoing clinical trials for drug companies..but your obsession with Linda you will have to deal with on your own.. I find it interesting that you have never (or not in the past two years anyway) corrected linda when she has been blatently wrong. The many times she has summarized an article and said something 180 degrees opposite what the article said. Not once have you called her to task for her slander, her lies, her vindictiveness. Who is it that is biased jake? ================================================== == Ruby stepped toward him. "Edward," she said softly. "Learn this from me. Holding anger is a poison. It eats you from inside. We think that hating is a weapon that attacks the person who harmed us. But hatred is a curved blade. And the harm we do, we do to ourselves. "Forgive, Edward, Forgive. Do you remember the lightness you felt when you first arrived in heaven?... No one is born with anger. And when we die, the soul is freed of it. But now, here, in order to move on, you must understand WHY you felt what you did, and WHY you no longer need to feel it. "Yo need to forgive your father." Mitch Albom, "the five people you meet in heaven" http://home.gwi.net/~mdmpsyd/index.htm |
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FDA Alert: Watch for Suicide of Kids on AD's 10/27/03
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 03:50:52 GMT, "Annelisa"
wrote: If he is so obsessed with L that he is attempting to press others into service as proxy for L, perhaps, he ought to seek professional help and have a therapist act as the proxy. talking about yourself in the third person again? ================================================== == Ruby stepped toward him. "Edward," she said softly. "Learn this from me. Holding anger is a poison. It eats you from inside. We think that hating is a weapon that attacks the person who harmed us. But hatred is a curved blade. And the harm we do, we do to ourselves. "Forgive, Edward, Forgive. Do you remember the lightness you felt when you first arrived in heaven?... No one is born with anger. And when we die, the soul is freed of it. But now, here, in order to move on, you must understand WHY you felt what you did, and WHY you no longer need to feel it. "Yo need to forgive your father." Mitch Albom, "the five people you meet in heaven" http://home.gwi.net/~mdmpsyd/index.htm |
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