SPLENDA

On Jul 5, 12:35 pm, (Richard Schultz) wrote:
In misc.health.alternative JOHN wrote:

: "By this process chlorocarbons such as sucralose deliver chlorine directly
: into our cells through normal metabolization. This makes them effective
: insecticides and preservatives. Preservatives must kill anything alive to
: prevent bacterial decomposition."

Someone should ask Dr. Bowen how he reconciles his belief that sugar
and salt are acceptable dietary components with their historical
use as food preservatives.

As you know aspartame another chlorocarbon was denied approval by the
FDA because; as a recent Italian study confirmed ; it was liked to an
increased risk of tumors. It was never approved by the FDA advisory
committee , the actual scientist at the FDA who recommended against
it's approval. The FDA commissioner appointed ;Don Rumsfield was in
the apparently used his influence; overruled his own scientist and
order its approval. For the FDA commissioner to ignore it,s own
experts is almost unheard of. The commissioner than left the FDA and
went to work well you know where .. That's the way good science is
subject to politics and economics. I expect you understand that fact
all to well. Thanks Vince

In misc.health.alternative bigvince wrote:
: On Jul 5, 12:35 pm, (Richard Schultz) wrote:
: In misc.health.alternative JOHN wrote:

: : "By this process chlorocarbons such as sucralose deliver chlorine directly
: : into our cells through normal metabolization. This makes them effective
: : insecticides and preservatives. Preservatives must kill anything alive to
: : prevent bacterial decomposition."

: Someone should ask Dr. Bowen how he reconciles his belief that sugar
: and salt are acceptable dietary components with their historical
: use as food preservatives.

: As you know aspartame another chlorocarbon. . .

Try again, but this time (a) answer the point that was raised and
(b) without incorrectly referring to aspartame as a "chlorocarbon" (it
isn't; it's a methyl ester of a dipeptide)

-----
Richard Schultz
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"You don't even have a clue about which clue you're missing."

On Jul 8, 5:45 am, (Richard Schultz) wrote:
In misc.health.alternative bigvince wrote:
: On Jul 5, 12:35 pm, (Richard Schultz) wrote:
: In misc.health.alternative JOHN wrote:

: : "By this process chlorocarbons such as sucralose deliver chlorine directly
: : into our cells through normal metabolization. This makes them effective
: : insecticides and preservatives. Preservatives must kill anything alive to
: : prevent bacterial decomposition."

: Someone should ask Dr. Bowen how he reconciles his belief that sugar
: and salt are acceptable dietary components with their historical
: use as food preservatives.

: As you know aspartame another chlorocarbon. . .

Try again, but this time (a) answer the point that was raised and
(b) without incorrectly referring to aspartame as a "chlorocarbon" (it
isn't; it's a methyl ester of a dipeptide)

Credulous Vince has Aspartame confused with Splenda. Don't expect him
to understand his mistake or any other aspect of chemistry.

When will all those horrific side effects of Aspartame finally
manifest?


-----
Richard Schultz
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"You don't even have a clue about which clue you're missing."

In misc.health.alternative The One True Zhen Jue wrote:

: When will all those horrific side effects of Aspartame finally
: manifest?

If you consume enough Aspartame, the acid in your stomach will convert
enough of the methyl ester to methanol for it to be a problem. I once
calculated how much that would be (assuming that the "do not take more than
X mg/kg body weight per day" warning on the bottle was due to the possibility
of methanol poisoning) and it came out to something on the order of
tens of liters a day of Aspartame-sweetened drinks. As for me, I drink
mostly water and fruit juice.

-----
Richard Schultz
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell bad."

On Jul 8, 12:42 pm, (Richard Schultz) wrote:
In misc.health.alternative The One True Zhen Jue wrote:

: When will all those horrific side effects of Aspartame finally
: manifest?

If you consume enough Aspartame, the acid in your stomach will convert
enough of the methyl ester to methanol for it to be a problem. I once
calculated how much that would be (assuming that the "do not take more than
X mg/kg body weight per day" warning on the bottle was due to the possibility
of methanol poisoning) and it came out to something on the order of
tens of liters a day of Aspartame-sweetened drinks. As for me, I drink
mostly water and fruit juice.

Exactly. Its not going to be a problem unless consumed in mass
quantities....Conehead style! Splenda is even less likely to be a
problem, a person would have to consume ridiculous amounts to be
harmful, 5000+ packets a day!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splenda

Concerns have been raised about the effect of sucralose on the thymus,
an organ that is important to the immune system. A report from NICNAS
cites two studies on rats, both of which found "a significant decrease
in mean thymus weight" at a certain dose.[12] The sucralose dosages
which caused the thymus gland effects referenced in the NICNAS report
was 3000 mg/kg bw/day for 28 days. For an 80 kg (176 lb) human, this
would mean a 28-day intake of 240 grams of sucralose, which is
equivalent to more than 20,000 individual Splenda packets/day for
approximately one month. The dose required to provoke any
immunological response was 750 mg/kg bw/day,[13] or 60 grams of
sucralose per day, which is more than 5,000 Splenda packets/day (there
are 11.9 mg of sucralose in a 1g retail packet of Splenda). These and
other studies were considered by regulators before concluding that
sucralose was safe. However, because some ingested sucralose is broken
down and absorbed by the body there is concern that chronic
consumption may lead to thymus shrinkage or other side-effects.


-----
Richard Schultz
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell bad."

"Richard Schultz" wrote in message
...

As for me, I drink
mostly water and fruit juice.


That says it all

In misc.health.alternative JOHN wrote:
:
: "Richard Schultz" wrote in message
: ...
:
: As for me, I drink mostly water and fruit juice.

: That says it all

Are you suggesting that there are healthier things to drink?

-----
Richard Schultz
Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel
Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University
-----
". . . for while he was not dumber than an ox, he was not any smarter."
-- James Thurber, _My Life and Hard Times_

The One True Zhen Jue wrote:
On Jul 8, 5:45 am, (Richard Schultz) wrote:
In misc.health.alternative bigvince wrote:
: On Jul 5, 12:35 pm, (Richard Schultz) wrote:
: In misc.health.alternative JOHN wrote:

: : "By this process chlorocarbons such as sucralose deliver chlorine directly
: : into our cells through normal metabolization. This makes them effective
: : insecticides and preservatives. Preservatives must kill anything alive to
: : prevent bacterial decomposition."

: Someone should ask Dr. Bowen how he reconciles his belief that sugar
: and salt are acceptable dietary components with their historical
: use as food preservatives.

: As you know aspartame another chlorocarbon. . .

Try again, but this time (a) answer the point that was raised and
(b) without incorrectly referring to aspartame as a "chlorocarbon" (it
isn't; it's a methyl ester of a dipeptide)

Credulous Vince has Aspartame confused with Splenda. Don't expect him
to understand his mistake or any other aspect of chemistry.

When will all those horrific side effects of Aspartame finally
manifest?

Ten years ago, Not-A-Doctor Betty Martini claimed that aspartame would
make you blind.

Where are all those blind people?

"Mark Probert" wrote in message
news:bRhki.570$CJ4.567@trndny08...
The One True Zhen Jue wrote:
On Jul 8, 5:45 am, (Richard Schultz) wrote:
In misc.health.alternative bigvince wrote:
: On Jul 5, 12:35 pm, (Richard Schultz) wrote:
: In misc.health.alternative JOHN wrote:

: : "By this process chlorocarbons such as sucralose deliver chlorine
directly
: : into our cells through normal metabolization. This makes them
effective
: : insecticides and preservatives. Preservatives must kill anything
alive to
: : prevent bacterial decomposition."

: Someone should ask Dr. Bowen how he reconciles his belief that sugar
: and salt are acceptable dietary components with their historical
: use as food preservatives.

: As you know aspartame another chlorocarbon. . .

Try again, but this time (a) answer the point that was raised and
(b) without incorrectly referring to aspartame as a "chlorocarbon" (it
isn't; it's a methyl ester of a dipeptide)

Credulous Vince has Aspartame confused with Splenda. Don't expect him
to understand his mistake or any other aspect of chemistry.

When will all those horrific side effects of Aspartame finally
manifest?

Ten years ago, Not-A-Doctor Betty Martini claimed that aspartame would
make you blind.

Where are all those blind people?


The toxic soup called aspartame

Aspartame was never and cannot be proven to be safe. It is not and
cannot be a diet aid because the formaldehyde (from the breakdown of the
10% methanol) gets stored in the fat along with some water. The
National Soft Drink Association (NSDA) did a 30-page protest in the '80s
(Congressional Record, Senate S 5511, 5/7/85) that complained that
aspartame is unstable, and that it reduces the levels of serotonin (a
substance that gives that "full" feeling) so aspartame induces a craving
for carbohydrates.

L-Aspartyl-l-phenylalanine methyl ester, 98%, aspartame CAS #22839-47-0
(a.k.a. Equal, NutraSweet, Spoonful, Benevia, Equal Measure, etc.) is
composed of (at least) three things:

1.) aspartic acid, (40%) CAS # 56-84-8 C4H7NO4 (L-Aspartic acid)
2.) phenylalanine, (50%) CAS # 63-91-2 C9H11NO2 (L-Phenylalanine)
3.) methanol (10%) CAS # 67-56-1 CH4O (Wood alcohol)

Molecular Weight : 294.30
Formula : C14H18N2O5
MATERIAL SAFETY DATA SHEET : http://www.dorway.com/asparta.txt

O O
|| ||
NH3 -- CH -- C -- NH -- CH -- C -- OCH3
| |
CH2 CH2
| |
C=O C
| // \
O HC CH
| |
HC CH
\\ /
C
H

The phenylalanine breaks down into diketopiperazine (DKP), a known tumor
agent, and is the reason FDA mandated a PKU warning label
"PHENYLKETONURICS: Contains phenylalanine". Diketopiperazine was the
major impediment to approval noted in the Searle "Helling" memo
(http://www.dorway.com/secrets.html).

The methanol (without Ethanol, the natural antidote) breaks down in-
solution (diet coke, spit, etc.) into formaldehyde. The human liver
also breaks down "free" methanol from any solution into formaldehyde.
The body has difficulty eliminating formaldehyde so it combines some of
it with water and stores it in the fat. Formaldehyde not stored in the
fat is further converted to formic acid (same thing as ant sting
poison).

(For proof that there is methanol, and that it converts to
formaldehyde and DOES get stored in the fat.. visit:
http://www.PRESIDIOTEX.COM/barcelona/)

So, with each sip EVERY user gets a micro-dose of three poisons, two
of which (formaldehyde and formic acid) are known carcinogens... along
with that side-order of DKP, the tumor agent. A science report was done
on Diet Cokes and the results were evaluated by a reputable food testing
laboratory. The Lab proved the methanol = formaldehyde conversion
(even in unopened cans cooling off in the refrigerator) and that
phenylalanine converted to DKP. (See http://www.dorway.com/jcohen.html)

A fairly complete list of aspartame breakdown components from the
aspartic acid, phenylalanine, and methanol is as follows:

Formaldehyde CAS # 50-00-0 CH2O (embalming fluid)
Formic Acid CAS # 64-18-6 CH2O2 (fire ant-sting poison)

Beta Aspartame **
Aspartylphenylalanine **
Aspartylphenylalanine amide **
Tyrosine CAS # 60-18-4 C9H11NO3
L-Dopa **
Dopamine **
Norepinephrine **
Epinephrine **
Phenylethylamine CAS # 64-04-0
Phenylpyruvate **
Phenylactic acid **
Phenylacetic acid CAS # 103-82-2
Diketopiperazine (DKP) CAS # 106-57-0 C4H6N2O2 (Glycine anhydride)

The damages caused by aspartame are noted in FDA's compiled list of 92
symptoms of aspartame poisoning (http://www.dorway.com/badnews.html)
(includes comments on how it happens).

These symptoms were derived from what the FDA notes is the most
complained about substance in their history, at one time comprising
around 85% of all complaints. The total number of complaints FDA admits
is over 10,000 (a vast understatement because Mission Possible has sent
FDA thousands of reports they chose to ignore). Of note is that my two
CERTIFIED letters of complaint, one to FDA and another to DHHS, have
never been answered, which leads me to believe neither were counted.

FDA says less than 1% of victims report a problem. This balloons
their 10,000 complaints to over a MILLION victims who SHOULD have
complained! Please note that either number is significant, especially
for a "safe" food additive.

The proponents of aspartame admit to the 10% methanol content but
claim that fruit has more methanol. This is probably true, but where
they deviate from the truth is that nature included an abundance of
ETHANOL in fruit, the natural antidote to methanol poisoning. They omit
telling the public that aspartame has NO ethanol, which is why it is
unstable and breaks down into formaldehyde in unopened containers.

Products with aspartame in solution have an approximate 270 day shelf
life IF stored below 86 degrees F. Much less when stacked in the sun
outside a gas station!

A Nutrasweet Co. comment:

"Additionally, the comments about multiple sclerosis, systemic lupus
erythematosis, and Alzheimer's Disease being linked to aspartame are not
true. No one knows what causes these sad diseases, but they existed
many, many years before aspartame came to the market. There has not been
an "epidemic." Unfortunately these unsubstantiated statements have
frightened individuals and their families."

If "No one knows what causes these sad diseases" how can they rule
out aspartame? Simple logic nails them as liars on this one, too!

Nutrasweet also says that the amino acids in aspartame are "natural".
They are natural only IN COMBINATION with other amino acids... not
isolated as in aspartame.

Dr. Moser, the Nutrasweet spokesman, overstepped the boundary of
truth on National TV when he stated aspartame cannot get into the blood
and cause seizures. The RAO report, one of 15 "pivotal" (of seventy
four) G. D. Searle funded tests, proved that five of seven monkeys fed
aspartame-laced milk for a year developed seizures and the seventh one
died (but all data on why was "lost"). Dr. Moser privately admitted to
Jennifer Cohen (author of the Diet Coke science report):

"..the study should never have been undertaken, much less submitted as
legitimate observation. This particular experiment represents an
unpardonable breach in methodology." (H. Moser)

FDA's "pivotal" proof of safety is a bizarre inverted interpretation.
What might the other 73 Searle-funded tests reveal? Review FDA toxicologist
Dr. Gross's notarized statements to Senator Metzenbaum concerning brain
tumors (http://www.dorway.com/gross.txt) and FDA's Dr. Jerome Bressler's
76 page report of only ONE Searle test, which verifies brain, mammary,
ovarian and uterine tumors PLUS shrunken testes
(http://www.dorway.com/bressler.txt).

Simply stated... "ASPARTAME is a Pandora's box of chameleon-like
toxins and tumor agents that have 92 FDA acknowledged ways to ruin your
life, death being one of them".

Damage caused by aspartame consumption is CUMULATIVE... it adds
up with each dose. Too often the FDA mandated warning label
"PHENYLKETONURICS: Contains phenylalanine" is hidden or illegally
omitted (with impunity).

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METHANOL

Methanol (wood alcohol, methyl alcohol) is a common household solvent
used in perfume, windscreen washing liquid, duplicating fluid,
antifreeze, shellac, paint remover. It is also added to commercial
glutaraldehyde for shipping. Methanol occurs naturally in fruit and
vegetables along with ethanol (alcohol). Methanol metabolises in the
body to formaldehyde, then to formic acid, and then to substances which
can be eliminated - including carbon dioxide and water.

The oxidation products of METHANOL/METHYL ALCOHOL [ie methanol =
formaldehyde = formic acid] may induce severe acidosis. The amount
causing severe effects varies with the individual especially if ethyl
alcohol (ethanol) is consumed at the same time. The two compounds share
the same degrading enzyme, alcohol dehydrogenase, and competition from
ethanol slows the production of the more toxic products of metabolism -
ie formaldehyde and formic acid. Oxidation and excretion of methanol is
slow; toxic symptoms do not develop for 12-48 hrs. Symptoms involve
the visual apparatus (severe degenerative changes occur within the
ganglion cells of the retina; the toxicity of methanol appears to relate
directly to formic acid), the CNS, and the gastrointestinal and
respiratory tracts. Clinical toxicity relates to acidosis as well as the
effects of accumulation of toxic products: nausea, vomiting, generalised
weakness, severe abdominal pain, vertigo, headache. Symptoms similar to
ethyl alcoholism appear: restlessness, incoordination... confusion and
memory defects are common. [Paper available: CIIN 0024-GOET-85-014].
The half life of HCHO in rabbits etc is estimated to be one minute.
Inhaling the fumes of methanol can cause headache, eye irritation,
dizziness, visual disturbances and nausea. It damages the liver, heart,
kidneys, and lungs.

FORMALDEHYDE EFFECTS

Skin reactions: ...chemical can be both irritating and allergy-
causing...(EPA). A slight sensation of tiny insects crawling over the
eyes, nose and pharynx (formication) is felt at 2-3 ppm. (Zurlo N, via
OSH, NZ.) Contact with the vapour or solution causes skin to become
white, rough, hard and anaesthetic due to superficial coagulation
necrosis. With long exposure, dermatitis and hypersensitivity frequently
result. Prolonged exposure may also cause cracking of skin and
ulceration, especially around the fingernails. Inhalation of HCHO
vapours produces irritation to the eyes, nose and throat and frequently
results in upper respiratory tract irritation, coughing and bronchitis.
Asthma may occur in sensitive individuals. Exposure may cause headache,
dizziness, difficulty breathing and pulmonary edema. Acute effects
include conjunctival and URT irritation from exposure to 0.1 ppm-5 ppm.
Severe exposure to fumes may lead to chemical pneumonia. (EPA
www.epa.gov). Peak expiratory flow rates in med students decreased
slightly over a 10 week anatomy course, a trend which reversed after the
course finished. But studies of routinely exposed workers, controls,
and asthmatics using controlled chamber challenges have frequently
failed to show pulmonary changes. However most patients tested for
formaldehyde asthma do not react to specific challenge or have
demonstrable antibodies present. Inhalation of 10-20 ppm can lead to
lower respiratory tract irritation manifested by cough, chest tightness,
and tachycardia. Human systemic effects by inhalation.

After ingestion, degenerative changes may be found in the liver,
kidneys, heart and brain. Experimental poison by ingestion, skin
contact, inhalation, intravenous, intraperitoneal and subcutaneous
routes. Human poison by ingestion. A woman drinking 120 mls of
formaldehyde died 28½ hrs later - blood analysis showed that sufficient
formaldehyde metabolised rapidly to formic acid (large amounts within
half an hour distributing to about 70% of body water) to cause metabolic
acidosis.

HCHO is involved in DNA damage and inhibits its repair. HCHO is a
suspected human carcinogen and has been shown to produce mutations and
abnormal organisms in bacterial studies" - (EPA). Carcinogen -
(Dorland's Medical Dictionary). An experimental carcinogen, tumorigen
and teratogen. Experimental reproductive effects. The chemical has
been linked to menstrual disorders and pregnancy problems in women
exposed to high levels in nail salons (EPA). A study of lab workers in
Finland found a significant association between formalin exposure and
spontaneous abortion.

Neurotoxin (see also Formaldehyde Neurotoxicity p 29.) A good
reference: Lezak M. Neuropsychological Assessment, 1995, Chap 7).

Other symptoms of sensitivity to formaldehyde, including muscle and
joint pain, fatigue, and cross reactivity to other chemicals are similar
to those listed for glutaraldehyde p 21. Excessive thirst is noted in
The Jeremiah Project literature. John Bower, Director, Healthy House
Institute, Bloomington, Indiana: In a new study, March 1999: "One of
the most insidious problems with formaldehyde is its ability to
sensitise people to other pollutants."

"Mark Probert" wrote in message
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The One True Zhen Jue wrote:
On Jul 8, 5:45 am, (Richard Schultz) wrote:
In misc.health.alternative bigvince wrote:
: On Jul 5, 12:35 pm, (Richard Schultz) wrote:
: In misc.health.alternative JOHN wrote:

: : "By this process chlorocarbons such as sucralose deliver chlorine
directly
: : into our cells through normal metabolization. This makes them
effective
: : insecticides and preservatives. Preservatives must kill anything
alive to
: : prevent bacterial decomposition."

: Someone should ask Dr. Bowen how he reconciles his belief that sugar
: and salt are acceptable dietary components with their historical
: use as food preservatives.

: As you know aspartame another chlorocarbon. . .

Try again, but this time (a) answer the point that was raised and
(b) without incorrectly referring to aspartame as a "chlorocarbon" (it
isn't; it's a methyl ester of a dipeptide)

Credulous Vince has Aspartame confused with Splenda. Don't expect him
to understand his mistake or any other aspect of chemistry.

When will all those horrific side effects of Aspartame finally
manifest?

Ten years ago, Not-A-Doctor Betty Martini claimed that aspartame would
make you blind.

Where are all those blind people?

http://www.answers.com/topic/blindness?cat=health

In November 2004 article Magnitude and causes of visual impairment, the WHO
estimated that in 2002 there were 161 million (about 2.6% of the world
population) visually impaired people in the world, of whom 124 million
(about 2%) had low vision and 37 million (about 0.6%) were blind. [9]
====

How would anyone know if anyone's blindness was caused by aspartame? After
all the health effects are denied...

For ONE reason, it's called M O N E Y.

BTW, what were you doing 30 years ago?

How about 15 years ago?

Hmmmm.