The F Crime: CDC schizophrenia

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THE F CRIME: CDC SCHIZOPHRENIA

ALSO: VIRGINIA'S APOLOGY TO TODD...

See below.

FIRST A PERSONAL NOTE: I was glad to be able to help fund Pinellas Citizens
for Safe Water President Virginia Brown's trip to Paul Connett's fluoride
conference awhile back.

I don't think I deserved her dishonesty (and calls for censorship) then.

And I don't think I deserve her dishonesty (and call for censorship) now.



CDC SCHIZOPHRENIA...

QUESTION...

Paul Connett, PhD often derides the CDC calling the mass water poisoning a
top public health measure...

Has Paul Connett ever mentioned that CDC's *Agency for Toxic Substances and
Disease Registry/ATSDR "work[s] with states...to prevent exposure to
hazardous substances from waste sites." (?)
http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/DRO/r1.html

REMEMBER...

STATE ATTORNEY GENERALS COULD END THE MASS WATER POISONING/"FLUORIDATION"
TOMORROW

CDC should be working with state attorney generals to stop the mass water
poisoning crime because hydrofluorosilicic acid, lead and arsenic are
hazardous substances which come from waste sites - and CDC's Agency for
Toxic Substances and Disease Registry/ATSDR "work[s] with states...to
prevent exposure to hazardous substances from waste sites."
(http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/DRO/r1.html)...

Does anyone know if Paul Connett has ever noted that CDC is simultaneously
promoting exposure to hazardous substances from waste sites as it works to
prevent exposure to hazardous substances from waste sites?



RELEVANT CASE LAW (even if the poison fluoride were good for us - the F
crime would still be a crime)...

THOR (quoted below) is nice - but look at WUERZ!!!

Wuerz v. Huffaker, 42 S.W.3d 652* (Mo.App. E.D. 2001)
THE COURT OF APPEALS OF THE STATE OF MISSOURI EASTERN DISTRICT
No. ED77427
2001.MO.0000030 http://www.versuslaw.com
January 23, 2001:

"In the absence of any consent, a physician is subject to liability for
battery....Baltzell, 752 S.W.2d at 906; Louisell & Williams, Sections 22.03,
8.06 (1998)."

"To establish battery based on lack of consent, a plaintiff is only required
to prove the occurrence of unconsented touching. Louisell & Williams,
Section 22.03."

"The sole question in such a case is whether the patient was informed of the
nature of the procedure and consented to it. Id. Thus, expert testimony is
not required..."
http://biotech.law.lsu.edu/cases/con...v_Huffaker.htm



VIRGINIA NEVER ANSWERED...

Virginia - I asked you some questions back in June - you never answered
them. See below.

First my response to your recent reply to Jake...

My comments are interspersed ####

Pinellas Citizens for Safe Water President Virginia Brown wrote most
recently:

snip I am not in favor of
supporting anyone who continually bashes dedicated fighters of our
cause, especially on a discussion list connected to our website.


##### Virginia,

##### You voted for my censorship back when you lied about me. See below.

#### You are continually bashing me but not offering substantive criticism.

#### Whereas you wish to see me censored, I do not wish to see you censored
- that is a key difference between our approaches.

I
also do not care to communicate with people who distort my
intentions, my integrity, or my reputation.

#### You distorted what I was doing - lied about me - then apologized. See
below.

#### If you see distortions, please point them out.

#### It appears to me you are continuing your blind support of "our leader."
("Our leader" was your phrase for Paul Connett, PhD)..

I do not choose to give
them a platform to do so.

#### Your latest repeated public vote for my censorship is noted.

I am not in favor of allowing them to
repeat the same accusations over and over again,

##### I repeat the same accusations because the mass water poisoning battery
continues and the same accusations in regard to Paul Connett's behavior are
true. Time permitting, I have been trying to match Paul Connett, PhD post
for post in his repeated indirect promotions of the notion that it is legal
for people to vote to force medicate other people.

##### There is NOTHING keeping him from mentioning in his "election victory"
posts that common law indicates that is illegal for citizens to vote to
force medicate other citizens.

bashing every worker
for not agreeing with their approach,

##### I bashed your falsehoods - and more recently I bashed Steve Szmidt's
falsehoods - is that what you are referring to?

and in my opinion, creating a
negative picture of those who work endlessly to fight for our cause.

##### FALSEHOODS create a negative picture. Those who create them, create a
negative picture THEMSELVES. Better to admit the falsehood - as you finally
did in regard to one of them in your apology below.

I understand the frustration when others do not agree!


##### The frustration comes when falsehoods are paraded as truths with no
substantive argument. Frustration also comes with calls for blind trust in
the whim of "our leader" Paul Connett (who, according to Szmidt, "seems" to
have a reason for either not doing what I don't thing he his doing - or
doing it - Szmidt doesn't know! - LOL!)...

I do not see where all this babbling and bashing can further our
cause.

##### My exposure of falsehoods - yours included Virginia - can only help.
I thank you for apologizing for one of them.

It is irritating to me, and quite frankly I find it somewhere
in the realm of insanity.

##### Your argument that I am wrong because you think me insane is noted.
Please offer substantive criticism with your ad hominem diversion.

Of corse, this is just my opinion.

##### Yes, you might be wrong - as you were before. See your apology below.

The
same conversation over and over and over again------going nowhere,

##### Again, whenever Paul Connett indirectly promotes the notion that
people can vote to force medicate other people - I am going to reply - time
permitting. Same goes for "blind trust in Paul"-type posts like yours.

people constantly having to defend themselves, what a waste of time.


##### Paul will constantly have to defend his indirect statements that
people can vote to force medicate other people. And you will constantly
have to defend your indirect defense of such poppycock.

I thought the discussion group was to inform and support the anti-
fluoride movement.

##### Let us find out why "our leader" is ignoring key rules - as Steve
Szmidt bizarrely finds Paul's behavior to be "playing by the rules."

##### If "our leader" remains silent, let us call his "leadership" into
question - in hopes of either finally learning the reason for his bizarre
silence - or finally learning (as I am more and more strongly suspecting)
that he is not what he claims to be.

##### I would LOVE to find that there is a good reason that Paul Connett,
PhD is failing to call attention to the fact that common law indicates that
the mass water poisoning is a crime.

##### PLEASE REMEMBER the evidence (pointed out by Paul Connett himself)
that some boys are suffering amputations as a consequence of the mass water
poisoning.

##### Please ALSO remember that Paul Connett has indicated that we should be
doing EVERYTHING possible to prevent such amputations.

##### When crime is so much as SUSPECTED it is to be reported IMMEDIATELY
when the crime may be harming a child. Paul is silent about this - failing
to note this both for mandatory reporters and for those who are not
mandatory reporters (who, BTW, in Oregon are encouraged to report even
though reporting isn't mandatory for them).

##### Sorry to repeat myself, but Paul himself suspects that the mass water
poisoning is causing AMPUTATIONS of children's limbs - yet he can't bring
himself to publicize the notion that the child protection statutes should be
used (finally) to protect children. (What a concept.)

Not a platform to bash the workers.

##### But some of the "workers" - in their blind trust - are stating
falsehoods and defending their falsehoods with ad hominem diversions.

If this man
did not succeed in winning Mr. Connett's support of his approach
when personally speaking with him, why does he continually batter us
about it?

###### The point is that reporting suspected crime is NOT "my" approach -
it's the approach of state legislatures! Virginia, you are, in effect,
aping Steve Szmidt's notion that Paul Connett IGNORING key rules (laws) is
the same as Paul Connett "playing by the rules."

Why does he continually try to force his approach on
everyone else?

##### Again, reporting the forced medication as a crime is NOT "my" approach
- reporting suspected crime that harms children is the approach of state
legislatures.

I feel it is harrassment.
Again, that is only my
opinion.

##### No, my posts are repeated pointed criticism of Paul Connett, PhD
indirectly/repeatedly promoting the notion that citizens may vote to force
medicate other citizens - which is really only an extension of his bizarre
silence about the fact that common law indicates that the mass water
poisoning is a crime.

##### Some of my posts are responses to people who pretend it is logical to
suppress dissent.

We must not allow his shinnanigans to cause discord amongst
ourselves.

##### My "shenanigans" will only cause discord amongst those who think it is
right for Paul Connett to continue to ignore/fail to publicize rules/laws
that call for the reporting of suspected child abuse (childhood amputations
are being caused by the mass water poisoning child abuse).

You seem pretty upset with me [Jake]

##### Jake seemed to be upset for the same reason I am writing this. Jake
said you sounded like Bush. I'd say you are behaving like Benito Mussolini
with your call for my censorship! LOL!

- Perhaps he is smiling.


##### No. I am laughing out loud. You are a wannabe censor. Please stop
trying to censor me. Look instead (finally) into why your hero is failing
to publicize the MINIMUM that is required by law when it is so much as
SUSPECTED that children are being poisoned en masse and some children are
thought to be suffering limb amputations and/or death as a consequence.

I
devote my time to our cause.


##### Currently, you are devoting more time to attempted censorship.

##### Here is the post where I addressed your apology. (I'm assuming I was
the "listmember" to whom you referred - just as I'm assuming that it is my
"shenanigans" you are protesting in the post quoted above.)


From: Todd Gastaldo todd@...
Date: Sat*Jun*4,*2005* 12:18 am
Subject: Virginia's apology - it's a start (copied to Paul Connett, PhD)
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VIRGINIA'S APOLOGY - IT'S A START (COPIED TO PAUL CONNETT, PhD)

Virginia Brown, President, Pinellas (Florida) Citizens for Safe Water/CSF
apologizes - apparently to Todd D. Gastaldo, DC:

"In reference to a previous post where I stated that a list member
was telling a gross lie----------
I do apologize, as it could very well be a misunderstanding on his
part. A lie is a falsehood. I consider the accusations presented by
him a falsehood. That is just my opinion.
Another definition, is 'to utter falsehood with deceitful
intention.' or 'an intentional violation of truth.'
Therefore, not having any proof of such intentions, I willfully
refrase my statement, to : 'unfounded destructive accusations.'
Please accept my apology."
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fluoride/message/2171

Virginia,

I accept your apology - assuming it was directed at me.

It is a start.

You have demonstrated no falsehood.

It is a FACT that Paul Connett, PhD is ignoring the fact that common law
indicates that fluoridation is a CRIME - mass battery. (See THOR 1993,
quoted below.)

It is also a fact that in his 50 Reasons to Oppose Fluoridation essay Paul
repeatedly ASKS (in various forms) whether it is right to mass medicate
without consent.

Why would Paul ignore the NO answer indicated by common law - that is - why
would Paul remain silent about the fact that common law indicates that it is
a CRIME to mass medicate without consent?

After all, crime is prosecutable by FREE ATTORNEYS called district attorneys
and attorney generals!

I mention FREE ATTORNEYS because Paul initially said he wasn't taking that
route - because there isn't money for attorneys!

KEY POINT: When I asked Paul about his peculiar silence on the
fluoridation-as-CRIME/mass battery issue, he did NOT say it isn't a crime!

He was SILENT on that point. Instead of answering - he left the telephone
for a moment and returned with the email address for QUILES attorney Doug
Balog who indicated to me that fluoridation is NOT a crime!

THINK ABOUT THAT COINCIDENCE VIRGINIA...

When I asked Paul about his silence on the fluoride-as-CRIME-mass-battery
(FREE ATTORNEYS!) issue - he left the phone and quickly laid his hands on
the email address for the attorney in a case where fluoridation was found
NOT to be a crime!

THINK ABOUT YOUR UNFOUNDED "ACCUSATION"...

After I posted QUILES Atty Balog's email to me indicating that he believes
that fluoridation is NOT a crime...

You stated it was your opinion that Atty Balog believes fluoridation IS a
crime!

Which is it?

I offered EVIDENCE (Atty Balog's word) that he believes fluoridation isn't a
crime...

What is your evidence that Attorney Balog now thinks it is a crime and
disagrees with his own opinion expressed to me in the email I posted to the
list?

YOU are the one making the unfounded "accusation." (!)

PLEASE "found" your "accusation" Virginia - please back it up! I would LOVE
to learn that QUILES Atty Balog has changed his mind!

I would LOVE to learn that QUILES Attorney Doug Balog believes that QUILES
is bad law!

Actually, anyone in Florida who is calling fluoridation "mass medication" or
"mass battery" - or just "battery" - should be QUITE interested in whether
the QUILES attorney has changed his mind about the
"it's-not-medication-because-we're-fluoridating-FAUCETS" case he so lamely
lost!

For anyone who hasn't read the QUILES faucet fraud...

See Florida fluoride is for faucets ? not people!
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/
misc.kids.pregnancy/msg/864b9d151f31e678

Alternate URL: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...t/message/2667

Paul Connett, PhD should be all over the QUILES faucet fraud - writing about
it on his www.fluoridealert.org website and in his FAN CAMPAIGN BULLETIN!

Why is he silent about THAT?

If I were the fluoride polluters, I would want a prominent PhD anti-fluoride
activist who is SILENT about the CRIME - and I would want him also SILENT
about QUILES faucet fraud.

I did not ACCUSE Paul of this. I accused him of a bizarre silence - of
engaging in a GROSS lie of omission - which is exactly what he is doing.

I SUGGESTED that he COULD be working for fluoride polluters - and gave my
reasoning - which I have just done again. (I myself could be working for the
fluoride polluters - ANY of us could - as Jake suggested recently.
EVERYONE'S behavior - for or against - is fair game.)

I also suggested that perhaps Paul is silent because he is HORRIBLY
EMBARRASSED that he didn't know that common law indicates that fluoridation
is a CRIME - mass battery (FREE ATTORNEYS!) - esp. since he asks
(repeatedly) in his 50 Reasons essay whether society has a right to mass
medicate without consent.

BOTH suggestions might account for his bizarre silence and his ability to
lay his hands on the email address of an attorney who used QUILES to assure
me that fluoridation is NOT crime.

Who knows? Maybe Paul blindly accepts state supreme court decisions?

Why would Paul do THAT though? QUILES quoted other court decisions
"unanimously" in favor of fluoridation from back when the pro-fluoride
authorities/experts had free reign - likely PAID for their opinions in
courts of law!

Since FREE ATTORNEYS (district attorneys) are available if the common law is
pressed and it is determined to be a CRIME - Paul could challenge the
fluoride protesters who have been running from him at public meetings to
meet him in COURT - where he could get PAID for his expert opinions!

Virginia, there's a very WELCOME "problem" that arises - district attorneys
don't NEED Paul's expert testimony because under common law even GOOD
medicine administered without consent is a battery!

For example, the California Supreme Court wrote in the 1993 case of Daniel
Thor v. The Superior Court of Solano County 93 C.D.O.S. 5658:

"The common law has long recognized this principle: A physician who
performs any medical procedure without the patient's consent commits a
battery irrespective of the skill or care used." [Thor at 5659]

[Feb. 17, 2006 addition: Check out the Missouri Supreme Court in WUERZ,
quoted above.]

It's a SLAM DUNK - and we can use HUMOR to educate the public until those
FREE ATTORNEYS (district attorneys) finally take action.

See LAUGH it out of the water! (also: Virginia heard from Paul Connett?)
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...t/message/3604

One last note...

Sandy Oestreich emailed me privately - told me I needed apologize to Paul
and ask him "nicely"...

I DID ask Paul "nicely." (!) As noted above, he went silent on the issue
and gave me Atty Balog's email address!

The conversation was so nice that as we said goodbye Paul asked if he could
use my $1000 donation to help people like you get to his first annual
anti-fluoride extravaganza!

Again Virginia, I accept your apology - assuming it was directed toward me.

If you have EVIDENCE that Atty Balog thinks fluoridation is a crime and
QUILES is bad law - PLEASE POST IT.

Otherwise you are making yet another unfounded "accusation."

Sincerely,

Todd

Dr. Gastaldo
Hillsboro, Oregon
todd@...

PS OK, since people are still reading. : )

Virginia, you mentioned the City of Escondido case in California; but it's
not about fluoridation - they actually say that in their brief! Presumably,
they are going for "pharmaceutical grade" mass battery - like Tom Nocera -
in hopes that the City of Escondido will not be able to afford the more
expensive grade of the cumulative poison fluoride.

As I noted in what I sincerely thought was to be my last post to this
fluoride list:

Going for the pure stuff IS something to do...

But what if that ©¯pure stuff©— strategy was ©¯canned-in-advance©— to give
anti-fluoride protesters something ©¯constructive©— to do to keep their
minds
ON Paul Connett©–s favored VOTE-IT-OUT strategy and OFF the fact that common
law indicates that fluoridation without consent is a CRIME ? mass battery
[FREE ATTORNEYS]?

Thanks to the article Tom Nocera wanted us all to read, I was reminded that
Masters and Coplan©–s hydrofluorosilicic acid study appeared in 2000.

The QUILES faucet fraud appeared in 2001.

My thanks to Jake (Henry Morgan), the Yahoo Fluoride Discussion Group
listowner, for responding rather favorably (I thought) to what I sincerely
thought was to be my last post to this fluoride list.

I trust Jake's willingness to allow spirited discussion and not censor.

Copied to Paul Connett, PhD paul@..., NYSCOF@...,
mconnett@...

END Gastaldo's post with questions Virginia never answered.



Don't forget WUERZ!

Wuerz v. Huffaker, 42 S.W.3d 652* (Mo.App. E.D. 2001)
THE COURT OF APPEALS OF THE STATE OF MISSOURI EASTERN DISTRICT
No. ED77427
2001.MO.0000030 http://www.versuslaw.com
January 23, 2001:

"In the absence of any consent, a physician is subject to liability for
battery....Baltzell, 752 S.W.2d at 906; Louisell & Williams, Sections 22.03,
8.06 (1998)."

"To establish battery based on lack of consent, a plaintiff is only required
to prove the occurrence of unconsented touching. Louisell & Williams,
Section 22.03."

"The sole question in such a case is whether the patient was informed of the
nature of the procedure and consented to it. Id. Thus, expert testimony is
not required..."
http://biotech.law.lsu.edu/cases/con...v_Huffaker.htm


REMEMBER...

STATE ATTORNEY GENERALS COULD END THE MASS WATER POISONING/"FLUORIDATION"
TOMORROW

CDC should be working with state attorney generals to stop the mass water
poisoning crime because hydrofluorosilicic acid, lead and arsenic are
hazardous substances which come from waste sites - and CDC's Agency for
Toxic Substances and Disease Registry/ATSDR "work[s] with states...to
prevent exposure to hazardous substances from waste sites."
(http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/DRO/r1.html)...

Does anyone know if Paul Connett has ever noted that CDC is simultaneously
promoting exposure to hazardous substances from waste sites as it works to
prevent exposure to hazardous substances from waste sites?



STEVE SZMIDT HAS REMARKED...

³If you are a public person [like Paul Connett, PhD] you have to maintain
strict manners or nobody will
listen to, or take you seriously...He's playing the game according to the
rules.²
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fluoride/message/2932

Paul is IGNORING key rules/laws - and Steve Szmidt calls this "playing by
the rules."

There is a game alright * it involves counting on LAW ENFORCEMENT to ignore
the rules.

As I noted for Steve Szmidt...

Steve B. Harris, MD once arrogantly boasted (in regard to my usenet
discussion of ANOTHER obvious mass medical poisoning crime - vaccination -
most of which also
occurs without informed consent):

"Without enforcement, there is no
law. Without law, there is no crime. *These are elementary principles. Get
an adult to explain them to you."
http://groups.google.com/group/misc....866f3384801ae9

See also: TIME magazine on chiropractors vs. vaccination
http://groups.google.com/group/misc....9a066386e4ef2f

Once Paul Connett, PhD and other prominent folks start pointing out that the
game is NOT being played by the rules * that LAW ENFORCEMENT is ignoring the
rules - I predict near-instant progress in getting the poison out of the
water and ending other massive crimes being committed by cultural
authorities...

As people who read me know, my priority is stopping obstetricians from
closing birth canals up to 30% and robbing babies of up to 50% of their
blood volume.

These latter terrible medical crimes are EASY to avoid * just like
³fluoridation² is easy to avoid.

See Dents in babies' skulls
http://groups.google.com/group/
misc.kids.pregnancy/msg/08abfc7ff242150e

One last note...

PARDONS IN ADVANCE...

As usual, I am in favor of pardons in advance for MDs. *As medical students,
MDs are TRAINED to perform mass felonies.

Similarly, I am in favor of pardons in advance for citizens who take part in
VOTING to perform mass felonies. *

REMEMBER: Citizens are being TRAINED to vote for the ³fluoridation² mass
felony * and Paul Connett, PhD is one of the trainers * bizarrely/studiously
silent on the KEY RULE that it is a crime for citizens to vote to force
medicate other citizens.



Thanks for reading everyone.

Sincerely,

Todd

Dr. Gastaldo
Hillsboro, Oregon
USA


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