Ken Pangborn reneges on word

On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, Ron wrote:


"KRP" wrote in message
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"0:-]" wrote in message
...
(Snip the stupid stuff)

You persist in your "DELUSION" Mr. KANE that you WON............... You
keep beating the walls and doing a jig trying to tell people you WON and
you ran me off. If it makes your coffee taste better little boy keep on.
Your SOLE source was bull****. I don't know how it snuck by at an
institution like Duke University.
But keep trying to claim you WON.... In your best Orwellian voice Kane.
Keep beating your chest and telling yourself that you are a real badass
alpha male....

Nobody else will.

Kenny, you have been proven to be both a liar and a fraud, here. You have
zero credibility, not just here but in EVERY news group you have ever
touched. No one trusts your word on anything, except total idiots like
gregg. Personally, if you told me the world was round I'd start looking for
the edges, because I know that being truthful is a concept totally beyond
your comprehension.

The same can be said about Kane, Ron.

Doan

Sure Doan, but only by other highly disturbed wack jobs like you and
greg the perv.



On Mar 4, 10:54 am, Doan wrote:
On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, Ron wrote:

"KRP" wrote in message
news:nyyGh.219$iD4.89@trnddc06...

"0:-]" wrote in message
.. .
(Snip the stupid stuff)

You persist in your "DELUSION" Mr. KANE that you WON............... You
keep beating the walls and doing a jig trying to tell people you WON and
you ran me off. If it makes your coffee taste better little boy keep on.
Your SOLE source was bull****. I don't know how it snuck by at an
institution like Duke University.
But keep trying to claim you WON.... In your best Orwellian voice Kane.
Keep beating your chest and telling yourself that you are a real badass
alpha male....

Nobody else will.

Kenny, you have been proven to be both a liar and a fraud, here. You have
zero credibility, not just here but in EVERY news group you have ever
touched. No one trusts your word on anything, except total idiots like
gregg. Personally, if you told me the world was round I'd start looking for
the edges, because I know that being truthful is a concept totally beyond
your comprehension.

The same can be said about Kane, Ron.

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On Mar 4, 8:54 am, Doan wrote:
On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, Ron wrote:

"KRP" wrote in message
news:nyyGh.219$iD4.89@trnddc06...

"0:-]" wrote in message
.. .
(Snip the stupid stuff)

You persist in your "DELUSION" Mr. KANE that you WON............... You
keep beating the walls and doing a jig trying to tell people you WON and
you ran me off. If it makes your coffee taste better little boy keep on.
Your SOLE source was bull****. I don't know how it snuck by at an
institution like Duke University.
But keep trying to claim you WON.... In your best Orwellian voice Kane.
Keep beating your chest and telling yourself that you are a real badass
alpha male....

Nobody else will.

Kenny, you have been proven to be both a liar and a fraud, here. You have
zero credibility, not just here but in EVERY news group you have ever
touched. No one trusts your word on anything, except total idiots like
gregg. Personally, if you told me the world was round I'd start looking for
the edges, because I know that being truthful is a concept totally beyond
your comprehension.

The same can be said about Kane, Ron.

Doan

Anything can be said, liar. But the question is, or should be, is it
true?

You are a lying deceptive little ****ant and doubtless YOU have kept
alerting Ken to YOUR bringing him up here and my responses to your
bogus claims about him running and your lies about him beating me in
debate.

YOUR tactics are obviously what draws him here, stupid, and no one
misses that he shows up just after YOU mention him.

You simply can't handle honest debate on an issue, as per the
"correlation" bull**** you have peddled even when YOU didn't believe
it. Or do you believe anything? Do you just make it up to have
something to argue about?

Stop with your stupidity, monkeyboy.

Hihihi

"0:-]" wrote in message
...


FRANTIC PLEA FOR HELP FROM THE STALKER!!

A quick check of Pangborn's usenet history shows that there are
those
that have been following him for a very long time...long before
you
brought the fool here and embarrassed yourself tryhing to defend
and
help him.

(Quick check to accept a bull**** website from a stalker no questions
asked.)

You, and other readers watched me challenge David Moore right here on
this group, Ken.

Yeah right, before you then said 100% of the bull**** on his page was
accurate about meZ!

Since the truth is that I conceded that the title did not accurately
reflect the body of neither the article or the abstract of the study,
yes I'll have to keep telling myself that particular truth.

The papar is NOT - repeat NOT as in the word NOT a "study" it was a
"SURVEY" of mothers (HARDLY scientists) on their OPINIONS as to their
children's aggression. And the study contradicted the claim that spanking
CAUSES children to be aggressive.

YOU can feel free to make all the claims you wish, and we will wait for
your proof. Will it be long now?
I've lost count of the times I've asked you for it.

Keep on asking yourself for me to PROVE that the lack of spanking causes
sociopathy in kids. YOUR psychotic straw man. AND i said I'd document that
subjkect AFTER and not until AFTER - - - ***YOU*** prove with
scientifically acceptable evidence that spanking makes kids aggressive. Yopu
ain't anywhere near that neighbodhood Kaney boy!

Keep congratulating yourself

Well, I haven't. I've simply rubutted someone that claims I lost and
had my butt whupped by you, which of course is laughable. The poster,
Doan, a liar and deceiver not unlike you, Ken, claims I ran...when
obviously it was you that ran.

Kane you keep beating your chest that you have WON... And yet the ONLY
source you have used argues against your STUPID claims. I call that getting
your ass waxed Keney boy! You can tell yourself it is a GREART GREAT GREAT
victory if that floats yer boat! The rest of us will laugh our collective
asses off at you!

andbragging like the dullard you are.

Actually I posted recently my embarrassment at how very easily you
were beaten. That's hardly something to brag about.

Yeah your being shown 100% WRONG beats me! GOOD LOGIC KANEY!

On 4 Mar 2007, 0:- wrote:

On Mar 4, 8:54 am, Doan wrote:
On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, Ron wrote:

"KRP" wrote in message
news:nyyGh.219$iD4.89@trnddc06...

"0:-]" wrote in message
.. .
(Snip the stupid stuff)

You persist in your "DELUSION" Mr. KANE that you WON............... You
keep beating the walls and doing a jig trying to tell people you WON and
you ran me off. If it makes your coffee taste better little boy keep on.
Your SOLE source was bull****. I don't know how it snuck by at an
institution like Duke University.
But keep trying to claim you WON.... In your best Orwellian voice Kane.
Keep beating your chest and telling yourself that you are a real badass
alpha male....

Nobody else will.

Kenny, you have been proven to be both a liar and a fraud, here. You have
zero credibility, not just here but in EVERY news group you have ever
touched. No one trusts your word on anything, except total idiots like
gregg. Personally, if you told me the world was round I'd start looking for
the edges, because I know that being truthful is a concept totally beyond
your comprehension.

The same can be said about Kane, Ron.

Doan

Anything can be said, liar. But the question is, or should be, is it
true?

In your case, Kane. It has been PROVEN! You false accusation that
Alina is me is such a proof!

Doan

You are a lying deceptive little ****ant and doubtless YOU have kept
alerting Ken to YOUR bringing him up here and my responses to your
bogus claims about him running and your lies about him beating me in
debate.

YOUR tactics are obviously what draws him here, stupid, and no one
misses that he shows up just after YOU mention him.

You simply can't handle honest debate on an issue, as per the
"correlation" bull**** you have peddled even when YOU didn't believe
it. Or do you believe anything? Do you just make it up to have
something to argue about?

Stop with your stupidity, monkeyboy.

Hihihi

On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 20:52:04 GMT, "KRP" wrote:


"0:-]" wrote in message
.. .


FRANTIC PLEA FOR HELP FROM THE STALKER!!

Stalker?

I reply to your bull****, and Doan's, and I'M a stalker?

A quick check of Pangborn's usenet history shows that there are
those
that have been following him for a very long time...long before
you
brought the fool here and embarrassed yourself tryhing to defend
and
help him.

(Quick check to accept a bull**** website from a stalker no questions
asked.)

You, and other readers watched me challenge David Moore right here on
this group, Ken.

Yeah right, before you then said 100% of the bull**** on his page was
accurate about meZ!

Did I? You can produce some citations for that that aren't YOU putting
words in my mouth? Produce my VERY OWN WORDS THAT SAY I ACCEPTED
EVERYTHING MOORE SAID AS ACCURATE?

If so, why would I call him out when I did?

Since the truth is that I conceded that the title did not accurately
reflect the body of neither the article or the abstract of the study,
yes I'll have to keep telling myself that particular truth.

The papar is NOT - repeat NOT as in the word NOT a "study" it was a
"SURVEY" of mothers (HARDLY scientists) on their OPINIONS as to their
children's aggression.

That's how you get a survey done, and how you collect information for
a study. Are you saying the people that did the study called it
something else?

And the study contradicted the claim that spanking
CAUSES children to be aggressive.

It could not "contradict" something that is not being claimed. You
have failed to produce a quote and cite to post where anyone made that
claim, that I have not agreed with you...the title was not precisely
accurate.

You are arguing someone has said that. I am arguing that I did not say
that, and that the title of the article was inaccurate if you think
that's what IT said. Neither the article or the study abstract made a
claim of causality.

Do you remember 78s. Your record is broken. Your needling is skipping,
and you say this over and over again, as though someone is arguing
with you about it. I'm not.

YOU can feel free to make all the claims you wish, and we will wait for
your proof. Will it be long now?
I've lost count of the times I've asked you for it.

Keep on asking yourself for me to PROVE that the lack of spanking causes
sociopathy in kids.

No, I asked you to produce the evidence you claimed existed. I did not
have for proof. If I used that word, I certainly apologize. I don't
believe I did. I just what to see the evidence for what you claimed.

YOUR psychotic straw man.

How can you claim this is now my psychotic strawman?

YOU made the claim. I asked you to back it. Provide PROOF there is
such evidence.

We'll decide, when we see it, you and I, in debate, what it actually
says and if it provides supporting evidence for your claim of
sociopathy in non spanked children. Is that not fair?

And sane?

AND i said I'd document that
subjkect AFTER and not until AFTER

Dodge, plain and simple, based on a foundation of lies...watch me
prove it.

- - - ***YOU*** prove with
scientifically acceptable evidence that spanking makes kids aggressive. Yopu
ain't anywhere near that neighbodhood Kaney boy!

Well that's a great way out.

Ask me to prove (when anyone that's ever read research KNOWS that it
does not "prove,") something I did not make a claim you say I did.

Would you like me to 'prove' the moon landing was faked, too? There's
something else I didn't claim. 0:-]

So, let's start with you showing where I made such a claim, then I'll
provide the 'proof' of the claim you said I made WHEN YOU SHOW THAT I
INDEED MADE IT.

You, on the other hand, have been shown that you said what you said,
and I've asked you to back your claim.

I'm not even asking you to support your claim that non spanking does
what you claim. I'm simply asking you to come up with the evidence you
say exists.

In fact, for you to ask me to produce something YOU claim doesn't
exist amounts to a fraudulent argument on your part, especially when
I've repeatedly stated I made NO SUCH CLAIM, and you have not proven
otherwise. Here is what you said. It has two parts.

You state categorically that no such acceptable evidence exists, but
you ask me for it anyway, and the next sentence after than says what?

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.s...4d74d63?hl=en&

....There is NO scientifically acceptable evidence that spanking causes
aggression in Children. There is considerable evidence that a lack of
spanking can produce sociopathy in children. ...

You are beaten, Ken. You cannot show you are telling the truth when
you say I claimed spanking causes aggression, and cannot produce the
evidence you claim there is for non spanking and sociopathy.

Your refusal to debate and demand the impossible (by YOUR OWN CLAIMS)
constitutes a fraudulent debating point. That removes you from the
debate unless you are willing to withdraw the demand.

If you do not, then you have run.

YOU claim no evidence exist, but you require ME to provide it before
you'll answer my request to produce evidence YOU say exists.

Explain the logic, please.

Keep congratulating yourself

Okay. (Kane whupped butt on Ken.)^infinity

Well, I haven't. I've simply rubutted someone that claims I lost and
had my butt whupped by you, which of course is laughable. The poster,
Doan, a liar and deceiver not unlike you, Ken, claims I ran...when
obviously it was you that ran.

Kane you keep beating your chest that you have WON...

Hyperbole, Ken. I don't beat my chest. I merely defend myself with
facts, and your own words. No such evidence exists, so you can't
demand I produce it before you'll produce YOURS.

And yet the ONLY
source you have used argues against your STUPID claims.

The claim that spanking "causes" aggression? That would be stupid, in
an argument using scientific material, research. I've never said there
was research that showed that spanking CAUSES anything.

I have said research shows a connection through correlation.

You agreed with Doan's claim that the study (he called it that too,
are you calling him a liar?) was not a causal study, but rather a
correlation study. He addressed that to LaVonne, and you replied
backing his statement.

Do you wish to debate Doan?

....In regard to the International study...

"Doan"
wrote in message
...
First, the study is a correlation study. "

He used "study" twice. Do you think he didn't mean what he said?

Want to tell him that Larzerele, who does reviews of the research
literature, sometimes, which included research that include surveys,
to support his pro spank arguments is not doing a study?

I call that getting
your ass waxed Keney boy!

RR.R.R.R..R.R.R. interesting little typo, there, "Keney boy!"

And "e" and "a" are too far apart for a fingerslip typo. 0:]

Aren't your hands and chest getting sore yet? 0;]

You can tell yourself it is a GREART GREAT GREAT
victory if that floats yer boat! The rest of us will laugh our collective
asses off at you!

The rest of us? All the socks you created? "Rest of us?" Doan, his
sycophant Greg, and you? Not much of a crowd, given they are all
liars. Especially in THIS debate on this subject on this study.

andbragging like the dullard you are.

Actually I posted recently my embarrassment at how very easily you
were beaten. That's hardly something to brag about.

Yeah your being shown 100% WRONG beats me!

"100%?" Hmmmmm....and you have had no success in proving a single
claim I've challenged you on.

Where's proof I ever said that spanking "causes" aggression, for
instance?

GOOD LOGIC KANEY!

Don't you mean.....snicker "Keney boy?"

Yes, my logic is almost perfect. For it's based on facts. Proof I
provide you that you are asking for what even YOU do not believe is
possible. Odd, eh? And would disqualify you in debate if you were
caught at it.

And you were. 0;]

By the by, if you remove the body of the other's post that has the
their arguments in it, it sure looks like you were nervous about those
arguments.

Where's the rest of my post, Ken?

Now provide your claimed evidence for sociopathy and unspanked
children, if you will, or don't.

And evidence I claimed in our debate that spanking "causes" aggression
in children.

You have quite a record of running now. Feeling a little winded, are
you?

Looks like you got caught lying again, Ken.

I'm tempted to run away, just so you have something to live for, a win
you don't deserve.

Naw, I think I'll stay. ..... R R RRRR R R R R

0;-]

On 4 Mar 2007, Firemonkey wrote:

Sure Doan, but only by other highly disturbed wack jobs like you and
greg the perv.

Hihihi! Looked like Kane has a little monkey riding on his tail.
Let's try your ip address in the proxy checker Kane provided us.

http://www.atomintersoft.com/product...r/default.aspx

Please enter proxy IP address and port

Proxy IP: 12.210.253.65


Anonymous - HTTP Proxy server does not send HTTP_X_FORWARDED_FOR variable
to host, this improves privacy since your IP address cannot be logged.

High anonymity - HTTP Servers of this type don't send
HTTP_X_FORWARDED_FOR, HTTP_VIA and HTTP_PROXY_CONNECTION variables. Host
doesn't even know you are using proxy server an of course it doesn't know
your IP address.

Damn! Hihihi!

Doan


On Mar 4, 10:54 am, Doan wrote:
On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, Ron wrote:

"KRP" wrote in message
news:nyyGh.219$iD4.89@trnddc06...

"0:-]" wrote in message
.. .
(Snip the stupid stuff)

You persist in your "DELUSION" Mr. KANE that you WON............... You
keep beating the walls and doing a jig trying to tell people you WON and
you ran me off. If it makes your coffee taste better little boy keep on.
Your SOLE source was bull****. I don't know how it snuck by at an
institution like Duke University.
But keep trying to claim you WON.... In your best Orwellian voice Kane.
Keep beating your chest and telling yourself that you are a real badass
alpha male....

Nobody else will.

Kenny, you have been proven to be both a liar and a fraud, here. You have
zero credibility, not just here but in EVERY news group you have ever
touched. No one trusts your word on anything, except total idiots like
gregg. Personally, if you told me the world was round I'd start looking for
the edges, because I know that being truthful is a concept totally beyond
your comprehension.

The same can be said about Kane, Ron.

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On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:-] wrote:

On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 20:52:04 GMT, "KRP" wrote:


"0:-]" wrote in message
.. .


FRANTIC PLEA FOR HELP FROM THE STALKER!!

Stalker?

I reply to your bull****, and Doan's, and I'M a stalker?

Well, Kane. You add the other newsgroups in your cross-posting to invite
your friends in. Don't you remember that? Hihihi

Doan

A quick check of Pangborn's usenet history shows that there are
those
that have been following him for a very long time...long before
you
brought the fool here and embarrassed yourself tryhing to defend
and
help him.

(Quick check to accept a bull**** website from a stalker no questions
asked.)

You, and other readers watched me challenge David Moore right here on
this group, Ken.

Yeah right, before you then said 100% of the bull**** on his page was
accurate about meZ!

Did I? You can produce some citations for that that aren't YOU putting
words in my mouth? Produce my VERY OWN WORDS THAT SAY I ACCEPTED
EVERYTHING MOORE SAID AS ACCURATE?

If so, why would I call him out when I did?

Since the truth is that I conceded that the title did not accurately
reflect the body of neither the article or the abstract of the study,
yes I'll have to keep telling myself that particular truth.

The papar is NOT - repeat NOT as in the word NOT a "study" it was a
"SURVEY" of mothers (HARDLY scientists) on their OPINIONS as to their
children's aggression.

That's how you get a survey done, and how you collect information for
a study. Are you saying the people that did the study called it
something else?

And the study contradicted the claim that spanking
CAUSES children to be aggressive.

It could not "contradict" something that is not being claimed. You
have failed to produce a quote and cite to post where anyone made that
claim, that I have not agreed with you...the title was not precisely
accurate.

You are arguing someone has said that. I am arguing that I did not say
that, and that the title of the article was inaccurate if you think
that's what IT said. Neither the article or the study abstract made a
claim of causality.

Do you remember 78s. Your record is broken. Your needling is skipping,
and you say this over and over again, as though someone is arguing
with you about it. I'm not.

YOU can feel free to make all the claims you wish, and we will wait for
your proof. Will it be long now?
I've lost count of the times I've asked you for it.

Keep on asking yourself for me to PROVE that the lack of spanking causes
sociopathy in kids.

No, I asked you to produce the evidence you claimed existed. I did not
have for proof. If I used that word, I certainly apologize. I don't
believe I did. I just what to see the evidence for what you claimed.

YOUR psychotic straw man.

How can you claim this is now my psychotic strawman?

YOU made the claim. I asked you to back it. Provide PROOF there is
such evidence.

We'll decide, when we see it, you and I, in debate, what it actually
says and if it provides supporting evidence for your claim of
sociopathy in non spanked children. Is that not fair?

And sane?

AND i said I'd document that
subjkect AFTER and not until AFTER

Dodge, plain and simple, based on a foundation of lies...watch me
prove it.

- - - ***YOU*** prove with
scientifically acceptable evidence that spanking makes kids aggressive. Yopu
ain't anywhere near that neighbodhood Kaney boy!

Well that's a great way out.

Ask me to prove (when anyone that's ever read research KNOWS that it
does not "prove,") something I did not make a claim you say I did.

Would you like me to 'prove' the moon landing was faked, too? There's
something else I didn't claim. 0:-]

So, let's start with you showing where I made such a claim, then I'll
provide the 'proof' of the claim you said I made WHEN YOU SHOW THAT I
INDEED MADE IT.

You, on the other hand, have been shown that you said what you said,
and I've asked you to back your claim.

I'm not even asking you to support your claim that non spanking does
what you claim. I'm simply asking you to come up with the evidence you
say exists.

In fact, for you to ask me to produce something YOU claim doesn't
exist amounts to a fraudulent argument on your part, especially when
I've repeatedly stated I made NO SUCH CLAIM, and you have not proven
otherwise. Here is what you said. It has two parts.

You state categorically that no such acceptable evidence exists, but
you ask me for it anyway, and the next sentence after than says what?

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.s...4d74d63?hl=en&

...There is NO scientifically acceptable evidence that spanking causes
aggression in Children. There is considerable evidence that a lack of
spanking can produce sociopathy in children. ...

You are beaten, Ken. You cannot show you are telling the truth when
you say I claimed spanking causes aggression, and cannot produce the
evidence you claim there is for non spanking and sociopathy.

Your refusal to debate and demand the impossible (by YOUR OWN CLAIMS)
constitutes a fraudulent debating point. That removes you from the
debate unless you are willing to withdraw the demand.

If you do not, then you have run.

YOU claim no evidence exist, but you require ME to provide it before
you'll answer my request to produce evidence YOU say exists.

Explain the logic, please.

Keep congratulating yourself

Okay. (Kane whupped butt on Ken.)^infinity

Well, I haven't. I've simply rubutted someone that claims I lost and
had my butt whupped by you, which of course is laughable. The poster,
Doan, a liar and deceiver not unlike you, Ken, claims I ran...when
obviously it was you that ran.

Kane you keep beating your chest that you have WON...

Hyperbole, Ken. I don't beat my chest. I merely defend myself with
facts, and your own words. No such evidence exists, so you can't
demand I produce it before you'll produce YOURS.

And yet the ONLY
source you have used argues against your STUPID claims.

The claim that spanking "causes" aggression? That would be stupid, in
an argument using scientific material, research. I've never said there
was research that showed that spanking CAUSES anything.

I have said research shows a connection through correlation.

You agreed with Doan's claim that the study (he called it that too,
are you calling him a liar?) was not a causal study, but rather a
correlation study. He addressed that to LaVonne, and you replied
backing his statement.

Do you wish to debate Doan?

...In regard to the International study...

"Doan"
wrote in message
...
First, the study is a correlation study. "

He used "study" twice. Do you think he didn't mean what he said?

Want to tell him that Larzerele, who does reviews of the research
literature, sometimes, which included research that include surveys,
to support his pro spank arguments is not doing a study?

I call that getting
your ass waxed Keney boy!

RR.R.R.R..R.R.R. interesting little typo, there, "Keney boy!"

And "e" and "a" are too far apart for a fingerslip typo. 0:]

Aren't your hands and chest getting sore yet? 0;]

You can tell yourself it is a GREART GREAT GREAT
victory if that floats yer boat! The rest of us will laugh our collective
asses off at you!

The rest of us? All the socks you created? "Rest of us?" Doan, his
sycophant Greg, and you? Not much of a crowd, given they are all
liars. Especially in THIS debate on this subject on this study.

andbragging like the dullard you are.

Actually I posted recently my embarrassment at how very easily you
were beaten. That's hardly something to brag about.

Yeah your being shown 100% WRONG beats me!

"100%?" Hmmmmm....and you have had no success in proving a single
claim I've challenged you on.

Where's proof I ever said that spanking "causes" aggression, for
instance?

GOOD LOGIC KANEY!

Don't you mean.....snicker "Keney boy?"

Yes, my logic is almost perfect. For it's based on facts. Proof I
provide you that you are asking for what even YOU do not believe is
possible. Odd, eh? And would disqualify you in debate if you were
caught at it.

And you were. 0;]

By the by, if you remove the body of the other's post that has the
their arguments in it, it sure looks like you were nervous about those
arguments.

Where's the rest of my post, Ken?

Now provide your claimed evidence for sociopathy and unspanked
children, if you will, or don't.

And evidence I claimed in our debate that spanking "causes" aggression
in children.

You have quite a record of running now. Feeling a little winded, are
you?

Looks like you got caught lying again, Ken.

I'm tempted to run away, just so you have something to live for, a win
you don't deserve.

Naw, I think I'll stay. ..... R R RRRR R R R R

0;-]

On Mar 4, 5:43 pm, Doan wrote:
On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, 0:-] wrote:
On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 20:52:04 GMT, "KRP" wrote:

"0:-]" wrote in message
.. .

FRANTIC PLEA FOR HELP FROM THE STALKER!!

Stalker?

I reply to your bull****, and Doan's, and I'M a stalker?

Well, Kane. You add the other newsgroups in your cross-posting to invite
your friends in. Don't you remember that? Hihihi

Doan

A quick check of Pangborn's usenet history shows that there are
those
that have been following him for a very long time...long before
you
brought the fool here and embarrassed yourself tryhing to defend
and
help him.

(Quick check to accept a bull**** website from a stalker no questions
asked.)

You, and other readers watched me challenge David Moore right here on
this group, Ken.

Yeah right, before you then said 100% of the bull**** on his page was
accurate about meZ!

Did I? You can produce some citations for that that aren't YOU putting
words in my mouth? Produce my VERY OWN WORDS THAT SAY I ACCEPTED
EVERYTHING MOORE SAID AS ACCURATE?

If so, why would I call him out when I did?

Since the truth is that I conceded that the title did not accurately
reflect the body of neither the article or the abstract of the study,
yes I'll have to keep telling myself that particular truth.

The papar is NOT - repeat NOT as in the word NOT a "study" it was a
"SURVEY" of mothers (HARDLY scientists) on their OPINIONS as to their
children's aggression.

That's how you get a survey done, and how you collect information for
a study. Are you saying the people that did the study called it
something else?

And the study contradicted the claim that spanking
CAUSES children to be aggressive.

It could not "contradict" something that is not being claimed. You
have failed to produce a quote and cite to post where anyone made that
claim, that I have not agreed with you...the title was not precisely
accurate.

You are arguing someone has said that. I am arguing that I did not say
that, and that the title of the article was inaccurate if you think
that's what IT said. Neither the article or the study abstract made a
claim of causality.

Do you remember 78s. Your record is broken. Your needling is skipping,
and you say this over and over again, as though someone is arguing
with you about it. I'm not.

YOU can feel free to make all the claims you wish, and we will wait for
your proof. Will it be long now?
I've lost count of the times I've asked you for it.

Keep on asking yourself for me to PROVE that the lack of spanking causes
sociopathy in kids.

No, I asked you to produce the evidence you claimed existed. I did not
have for proof. If I used that word, I certainly apologize. I don't
believe I did. I just what to see the evidence for what you claimed.

YOUR psychotic straw man.

How can you claim this is now my psychotic strawman?

YOU made the claim. I asked you to back it. Provide PROOF there is
such evidence.

We'll decide, when we see it, you and I, in debate, what it actually
says and if it provides supporting evidence for your claim of
sociopathy in non spanked children. Is that not fair?

And sane?

AND i said I'd document that
subjkect AFTER and not until AFTER

Dodge, plain and simple, based on a foundation of lies...watch me
prove it.

- - - ***YOU*** prove with
scientifically acceptable evidence that spanking makes kids aggressive. Yopu
ain't anywhere near that neighbodhood Kaney boy!

Well that's a great way out.

Ask me to prove (when anyone that's ever read research KNOWS that it
does not "prove,") something I did not make a claim you say I did.

Would you like me to 'prove' the moon landing was faked, too? There's
something else I didn't claim. 0:-]

So, let's start with you showing where I made such a claim, then I'll
provide the 'proof' of the claim you said I made WHEN YOU SHOW THAT I
INDEED MADE IT.

You, on the other hand, have been shown that you said what you said,
and I've asked you to back your claim.

I'm not even asking you to support your claim that non spanking does
what you claim. I'm simply asking you to come up with the evidence you
say exists.

In fact, for you to ask me to produce something YOU claim doesn't
exist amounts to a fraudulent argument on your part, especially when
I've repeatedly stated I made NO SUCH CLAIM, and you have not proven
otherwise. Here is what you said. It has two parts.

You state categorically that no such acceptable evidence exists, but
you ask me for it anyway, and the next sentence after than says what?

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.s...tive-services/...

...There is NO scientifically acceptable evidence that spanking causes
aggression in Children. There is considerable evidence that a lack of
spanking can produce sociopathy in children. ...

You are beaten, Ken. You cannot show you are telling the truth when
you say I claimed spanking causes aggression, and cannot produce the
evidence you claim there is for non spanking and sociopathy.

Your refusal to debate and demand the impossible (by YOUR OWN CLAIMS)
constitutes a fraudulent debating point. That removes you from the
debate unless you are willing to withdraw the demand.

If you do not, then you have run.

YOU claim no evidence exist, but you require ME to provide it before
you'll answer my request to produce evidence YOU say exists.

Explain the logic, please.

Keep congratulating yourself

Okay. (Kane whupped butt on Ken.)^infinity

Well, I haven't. I've simply rubutted someone that claims I lost and
had my butt whupped by you, which of course is laughable. The poster,
Doan, a liar and deceiver not unlike you, Ken, claims I ran...when
obviously it was you that ran.

Kane you keep beating your chest that you have WON...

Hyperbole, Ken. I don't beat my chest. I merely defend myself with
facts, and your own words. No such evidence exists, so you can't
demand I produce it before you'll produce YOURS.

And yet the ONLY
source you have used argues against your STUPID claims.

The claim that spanking "causes" aggression? That would be stupid, in
an argument using scientific material, research. I've never said there
was research that showed that spanking CAUSES anything.

I have said research shows a connection through correlation.

You agreed with Doan's claim that the study (he called it that too,
are you calling him a liar?) was not a causal study, but rather a
correlation study. He addressed that to LaVonne, and you replied
backing his statement.

Do you wish to debate Doan?

...In regard to the International study...

"Doan"
wrote in message
...
First, the study is a correlation study. "

He used "study" twice. Do you think he didn't mean what he said?

Want to tell him that Larzerele, who does reviews of the research
literature, sometimes, which included research that include surveys,
to support his pro spank arguments is not doing a study?

I call that getting
your ass waxed Keney boy!

RR.R.R.R..R.R.R. interesting little typo, there, "Keney boy!"

And "e" and "a" are too far apart for a fingerslip typo. 0:]

Aren't your hands and chest getting sore yet? 0;]

You can tell yourself it is a GREART GREAT GREAT
victory if that floats yer boat! The rest of us will laugh our collective
asses off at you!

The rest of us? All the socks you created? "Rest of us?" Doan, his
sycophant Greg, and you? Not much of a crowd, given they are all
liars. Especially in THIS debate on this subject on this study.

andbragging like the dullard you are.

Actually I posted recently my embarrassment at how very easily you
were beaten. That's hardly something to brag about.

Yeah your being shown 100% WRONG beats me!

"100%?" Hmmmmm....and you have had no success in proving a single
claim I've challenged you on.

Where's proof I ever said that spanking "causes" aggression, for
instance?

GOOD LOGIC KANEY!

Don't you mean.....snicker "Keney boy?"

Yes, my logic is almost perfect. For it's based on facts. Proof I
provide you that you are asking for what even YOU do not believe is
possible. Odd, eh? And would disqualify you in debate if you were
caught at it.

And you were. 0;]

By the by, if you remove the body of the other's post that has the
their arguments in it, it sure looks like you were nervous about those
arguments.

Where's the rest of my post, Ken?

Now provide your claimed evidence for sociopathy and unspanked
children, if you will, or don't.

And evidence I claimed in our debate that spanking "causes" aggression
in children.

You have quite a record of running now. Feeling a little winded, are
you?

Looks like you got caught lying again, Ken.

I'm tempted to run away, just so you have something to live for, a win
you don't deserve.

Naw, I think I'll stay. ..... R R RRRR R R R R

0;-]



A few websites of interest and on topic with this current...'debate'

http://www.askdrsears.com/html/6/T062100.asp

http://www.nospank.net/hyman2.htm

http://www.psychpage.com/family/library/disc.html

http://www.naturalchild.org/jan_hunt/tenreasons.html

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1114110820.htm

On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 14:13:47 -0800, Doan wrote:

On 4 Mar 2007, 0:- wrote:

On Mar 4, 8:54 am, Doan wrote:
On Sun, 4 Mar 2007, Ron wrote:

"KRP" wrote in message
news:nyyGh.219$iD4.89@trnddc06...

"0:-]" wrote in message
.. .
(Snip the stupid stuff)

You persist in your "DELUSION" Mr. KANE that you WON............... You
keep beating the walls and doing a jig trying to tell people you WON and
you ran me off. If it makes your coffee taste better little boy keep on.
Your SOLE source was bull****. I don't know how it snuck by at an
institution like Duke University.
But keep trying to claim you WON.... In your best Orwellian voice Kane.
Keep beating your chest and telling yourself that you are a real badass
alpha male....

Nobody else will.

Kenny, you have been proven to be both a liar and a fraud, here. You have
zero credibility, not just here but in EVERY news group you have ever
touched. No one trusts your word on anything, except total idiots like
gregg. Personally, if you told me the world was round I'd start looking for
the edges, because I know that being truthful is a concept totally beyond
your comprehension.

The same can be said about Kane, Ron.

Doan

Anything can be said, liar. But the question is, or should be, is it
true?

In your case, Kane. It has been PROVEN! You false accusation that
Alina is me is such a proof!

You may stick that right up your monkeyboy butt, child.
hihihi


Doan

You are a lying deceptive little ****ant and doubtless YOU have kept
alerting Ken to YOUR bringing him up here and my responses to your
bogus claims about him running and your lies about him beating me in
debate.

YOUR tactics are obviously what draws him here, stupid, and no one
misses that he shows up just after YOU mention him.

You simply can't handle honest debate on an issue, as per the
"correlation" bull**** you have peddled even when YOU didn't believe
it. Or do you believe anything? Do you just make it up to have
something to argue about?

Stop with your stupidity, monkeyboy.

Hihihi