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Old November 6th 04, 12:38 AM
Vicky Bilaniuk
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Ericka Kammerer wrote:
We have a major issue with paperwork. The byzantine maze
of insurance paperwork is causing dramatic increases in costs for
doctors. They spend a lot of time handling referrals and figuring
out rules and so forth. Most offices now have at least one person
on staff who does *nothing* but handle insurance issues (more if
it's a larger practice). That's a lot of money. Hospitals have
entire teams.


Oh yeah I forgot that it would probably be much worse for you. ;-)
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Old November 6th 04, 03:31 AM
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On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 09:46:14 -0500, "Sue"
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She's had the transplant already, but I forsee someday in her future of
having a kidney transplant because of all the drugs. To be honest, I had
thought of you and Thud when I talked about not trusting the NHS system.
Your family has whethered the system with a chronic illness, so it can't be
*that* bad. )


I think one of the major differences between the US system and the
Australian system is the access to medical care for non-chronic or
non-emergency illnesses. It is much easier and straightforward for
you get to get _anything_ done here under Medicare if it is deemed
medically imperative. However if you are after something that has not
been deemed an emergency or necessary to be done immediately you are
better off under the US system, assuming you have insurance. For
example, my MIL had to have her gall bladder removed. She has private
health insurance so she chose a doctor and he booked her into
hospital, it was done within about 2 weeks. My mother needed cataract
surgery within 3 months or she would be legally blind, the waiting
list in the public system was approx 9-12 months so she had to find
the $2000 per eye out of pocket expense to get the cataracts removed.
I think it turned out that about $500 per eye was covered by Medicare,
the rest was anaesthetist and eye surgeon "gap" or co-pay expenses.

And then as I said, my cardiac kid can't go to a private hospital for
his surgeries so we are going through the public hospital system and
basically choosing the dates we prefer. When he had his last
catherisation in late July I had recently found out I was pregnant.
The cardiologist asked me if I had any preferences on when to do the
surgery as we had initially discussed April next year, so when I told
him I'd rather do it with a baby in my belly than at home he
completely agreed and promptly booked Thud in for November. No
discussion with the hospital, no real _need_ for the operation to be
done then except that it fitted in with my family plans, it was just
deemed medically necessary by Thud's doctor so it's going ahead.

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Mischief (30 Jul 02)
+ Thumper due Feb 05
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Old November 6th 04, 08:07 PM
Daye
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On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 17:18:48 -0600, "Donna Metler"
wrote:

One of the hospitals has a plan where you can get standard pre-natal care
and delivery support for $2500-paid in monthly installments for a year. Of
course, it doesn't cover anything but the regular OB/CNM appointments and a
standard delivery, but at least it means that you're not hit with a big bill
all at once. The idea is that it's supposed to reach people who don't
qualify for the health plan for low-income people, but who don't have health
insurance through an employer or privately, either.


Where my mother lives, there was a plan like that for dental work. I
don't remember the details, but all of the local dentists offered it.
My mother took out the plan because she needed some dental work done.
If I remember correctly, her payments were something like $14 a month
for 12 months.

I wished more places in the US offered plans like that. My mother and
some other people I know who live in the US could use them.

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Old November 6th 04, 08:07 PM
Daye
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On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 19:53:44 -0500, "Sue"
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I did miss that Daye, I'm sorry.


It is okay. I just wanted you to be aware that I was basing my
opinion on experience, not on what I read that the US system was like.

The only time I have been without insurance was when I was in college for
about three years.


Your experiences with no insurance sound like mine. If you had lived
in Australia, the UK or NZ, you would have had treatment available to
you. That is why I am pro-government funded health care.

This must be a clinic that caters to people with no insurance
and it is really sad to hear about all of these people needing medications
and care, but cannot afford it. I admit, our system is definitelyly not
perfect and something needs to be done, but I would not want socialized
medicine.


I can admit that the Australian system has flaws. Lots of them. I
complain about our system all the time. However, I would never, ever
want to go back to the US and live under that system. I enjoy being
able to get the medical care that I need without having to worry about
things like insurance. Yes, I pay for it with really high taxes, but
I am okay with that.

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Old November 6th 04, 08:07 PM
Daye
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On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 08:45:45 -0600, "Nikki" wrote:

Mum of Two wrote:

Yeah, and here, if you said, "I want my baby circumcised", they'd say
"You want him WHAT? Oh, you want his head circumference? Here it is."
Or something to that effect.


Would a doctor do it for no medical reason?


Yes. However, in Melbourne, I was told by a midwife that there is
only one doctor who will perform it. It isn't covered by Medicare, so
you have to pay for it out of pocket.

If there is a medical reason, it is covered by Medicare. Religious
reasons: I would assume would be out of pocket too. I guess it is
whatever the person performing the religious ceremony charges. I know
some Jewish people here in Melbourne... maybe I should ask them.

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Daye
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Old November 7th 04, 12:20 PM
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Ericka Kammerer wrote:

Obviously, we're in different states, so perhaps the issue
is geographical, but *many* women IRL over 35 have said things to
me either indicating that their doctors *strongly* recommended
amnio for them, that their doctors attempted to persuade them
to do it after their first refusal, or that they were surprised
to learn that they could have refused.

Best wishes,
Ericka


....And yet those doctors advocating a 1-2% miscarriage risk amnio are
the same doctors who refuse a VBAC because of the less than 1% risk of
uterine rupture leading to a much less chance of foetal/maternal
death... the mind boggles....

Jo (RM)
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Old November 7th 04, 05:03 PM
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"Jo" wrote in message
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Ericka Kammerer wrote:

Obviously, we're in different states, so perhaps the issue
is geographical, but *many* women IRL over 35 have said things to
me either indicating that their doctors *strongly* recommended
amnio for them, that their doctors attempted to persuade them
to do it after their first refusal, or that they were surprised
to learn that they could have refused.

Best wishes,
Ericka


...And yet those doctors advocating a 1-2% miscarriage risk amnio are
the same doctors who refuse a VBAC because of the less than 1% risk of
uterine rupture leading to a much less chance of foetal/maternal
death... the mind boggles....

Ah, but in that case the true motivator is the risk of a lawsuit, not the
actual statistics.

For that matter, I can see someone trying to sue over a child with a genetic
defect IF the OB didn't offer amnio and give the risk numbers.

Definitely a mixed up healthcare system we have in the USA, with the lawyers
and accountants calling the shots.


Jo (RM)



 




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