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Q: allergies, gut problems and Neocate Vs breastmilk
"arachne" wrote in message ... the first thing that springs to mind is coeliac disease (sp?). has she been tested for it? I think so. The only Dx so far is "ulcerative colitis" which apparently doesn't have a "known" cause. Most of what I can find suggests that bf offers some protection though.... some of those foods she is eating are quite high in natural chemicals (salicylates, amines etc) so if we are talking intolerence, that could be the problem. the book "friendly food" by rpa hospital allergy unit has comprehensive info about a low chemical elimination diet. you can read a bit he http://www.cs.nsw.gov.au/rpa/allergy/ Thanks - will pass on the link. This is the lady that I was telling you about back in February I think.... from my allergist, the list of low natural chemical foods a babmoo shoots, brussel sprouts, cabbage, celery, chives, choko, dried beans, dried peas, green beans, leek, lentils, iceberg lettuce, mungbean sprouts, white peeled potatp, red cabbage, shallot, swede, pear (ripe peeled), pear (canned in sugar syrup), beef, chicken (no skin), eggs, fish (fresh, white) lamb, rabbit, sausage casing & veal. is she using oil to cook? Not sure. I'm thinking she's not as most things she is eating are either poached, grilled or baked without oil. what is she drinking? just water? Yes. is she sure forbidden foods are not sneaking in or is she having any medication? even humble vitamins can have things she shouldn't be having. She's pretty rigourous about the diet and isn't taking any supplements or meds. even foods on her list can be allergenic. DS1 is allergic to both pumpkin & rockmelon. I think these are the foods she knows haven't caused a reaction and she's been keeping a food diary for about 5 months now. She tells me that if she eats anything not on the list its followed by a night of having the bub scream in pain. Ta Amanda |
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allergies, gut problems and Neocate Vs breastmilk
Flower girl wrote:
Actually, getting enough vitamins and minerals on the restricted diet is one of my friend's concerns but she isn't taking any supplements or meds. I wouldn't be too concerned, with the variety of vegetable she should be getting plenty of vitamins which are the ones that seem to have more effect in the short term, providing she already had good levels in her body before the restricted diet she should be fine for a while longer. Calcium would seem to be one that is low, but again if she had good levels before and is doing plenty of weight bearing exercise (for a mum of small children, just normal activity is fine), her bone density is very very unlikely to decrease any more than normal breastfeeding and pregnancy does. Anne |
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allergies, gut problems and Neocate Vs breastmilk
"Anne Rogers" wrote in message ... Flower girl wrote: Actually, getting enough vitamins and minerals on the restricted diet is one of my friend's concerns but she isn't taking any supplements or meds. I wouldn't be too concerned, with the variety of vegetable she should be getting plenty of vitamins which are the ones that seem to have more effect in the short term, providing she already had good levels in her body before the restricted diet she should be fine for a while longer. But she's only on button squash, zuchinni and pumpkin. No leafy greens. I do worry that the limited number of fruits and veg she can eat isn't from a wide enough range. Calcium would seem to be one that is low, but again if she had good levels before and is doing plenty of weight bearing exercise (for a mum of small children, just normal activity is fine), her bone density is very very unlikely to decrease any more than normal breastfeeding and pregnancy does. This does concern her a bit ... but again more for the her long-term health. But yes - plenty of weight bearing exercise with a 7.5 mo and a 3.5 yo Amanda |
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allergies, gut problems and Neocate Vs breastmilk
Flowergirl wrote: But she's only on button squash, zuchinni and pumpkin. No leafy greens. I do worry that the limited number of fruits and veg she can eat isn't from a wide enough range. but zuchinni is green is it not? and pumpkin is yellow? the thing that might be missing is whatever comes from red things (vitamins and colours have a fairly good correlation). Has she tried reintroducing any veggies? or learning to eat veggies she didn't eat before? I've taught myself to eat broccoli for various reasons. So there might be thing that she could add in that she never took out because they weren't there. Oh and you missed out the melons, they aren't vitamin free! I think the biggest indicator is how she feels? if she is determined to continue, she can't be feeling that bad! I know myself I have to watch I eat my fresh fruit and veggies and can feel quite rough pretty speedily otherwise. Anne |
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allergies, gut problems and Neocate Vs breastmilk
"Anne Rogers" wrote in message ... Flowergirl wrote: But she's only on button squash, zuchinni and pumpkin. No leafy greens. I do worry that the limited number of fruits and veg she can eat isn't from a wide enough range. but zuchinni is green is it not? and pumpkin is yellow? the thing that might be missing is whatever comes from red things (vitamins and colours have a fairly good correlation). Has she tried reintroducing any veggies? or learning to eat veggies she didn't eat before? I've taught myself to eat broccoli for various reasons. So there might be thing that she could add in that she never took out because they weren't there. Oh and you missed out the melons, they aren't vitamin free! Well yes, but to get all the vitamins and nutrients needed you need to eat from a wide range of foods. Just one type of each colour day after day isn't going to give you a good range as values for different vitamins and minerals and phytochemicals vary between different vegetables and fruits. In order to get a diet adequate in essential nutrients, it is suggested that a person eats 20 -30 different food types every day, with a significant proportion coming from fruit and vegetables (and they should be from different types, not varieties of the same tpe like button squash and zuchini, (e.g. typically, breastfeeding women should aim for 7 serves of veges and 5 of fruit every day) ... so the very limited variety of fruit and veges she's eating (and has been eating for the past few months) are not really going to provide all the vitamins and minerals she needs. Those on elimination diets need to take particular care in order to maintain a balance of nutrients in the diet. She has tried reintroducing vegetables but this only causes problems once again. I know she's not normally a fussy eater and has always eaten from a wide range of fruits and vegetables, so I'm not sure if there's too much she hasn't tried. Brocolli is an excellent vegetable (one of the "super foods") but cruciferous veges seem to affect the bub quite badly (apparently she's been *craving* Brussel sprouts as well as brocolli but both these seem to have a particularly bad effect .... and while I love brocolli, and I eat brussel sprouts, I don't think I could actually *crave* brussel sprouts Cheers Amanda |
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Update Q: allergies, gut problems and Neocate Vs breastmilk
"brandini73" wrote in message ps.com... My son is only 5 1/2 months old & he gets 1200 mg. per day. I mix it with BM until it's the consistancy of prepared baby cereal. In our case, I believe my son is intolerant, not truly allergic & that he'll grow out of it. I'm willing to keep him on slippery elm forever, though, if he doesn't. At a seminar I was at on this very subject, some of the moms had great success using high doses of probiotics (given to the kids) to heal leaky guts. Good luck! Brandy Update: Bub and mum have been to a herbalist / accupressure (not sure exactly) as of Friday (don't know exactly what the herbs are but not slippery elm). So far bub has done *normal* poos (rather than mucousy green slimey ones) but has had some excess wind. ... The mum is encouraged and is going to try this for a week or two, and then is still going to try slippery elm if the current tmt makes no difference. So thanks - fingers crossed that this tmt helps! Amanda |
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Update Q: allergies, gut problems and Neocate Vs breastmilk
"FlowerGirl" wrote in message ... "brandini73" wrote in message ps.com... My son is only 5 1/2 months old & he gets 1200 mg. per day. I mix it with BM until it's the consistancy of prepared baby cereal. In our case, I believe my son is intolerant, not truly allergic & that he'll grow out of it. I'm willing to keep him on slippery elm forever, though, if he doesn't. At a seminar I was at on this very subject, some of the moms had great success using high doses of probiotics (given to the kids) to heal leaky guts. Good luck! Brandy Update: Bub and mum have been to a herbalist / accupressure (not sure exactly) as of Friday (don't know exactly what the herbs are but not slippery elm). So far bub has done *normal* poos (rather than mucousy green slimey ones) but has had some excess wind. ... The mum is encouraged and is going to try this for a week or two, and then is still going to try slippery elm if the current tmt makes no difference. So thanks - fingers crossed that this tmt helps! Amanda ....and another update.... All is looking encouraging ... bub has only done *normal* poos (previously a very rare event) since starting the tmt on Friday (yay) ... has been calmer and has been able to release the wind by *herself* for the first time (and she's not doing anything new like rolling so we don't think its coincidnece Previously the parents had had to hold and rock her until she managed to pass the wind, so this is a huge change. The Mum is sounding positive that finally *something* seems to be working Thanks so much for all the suggestions Amanda |
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Q: allergies, gut problems and Neocate Vs breastmilk
FlowerGirl wrote:
Thanks - will pass on the link. This is the lady that I was telling you about back in February I think.... i know. i am so sorry i couldn't email her. see my post in aus.fam in why i was so busy. -- elizabeth (in australia) mum to DS1 "cheese" (almost 4 yrs) & DS2 "chalk" (almost 10 mths) "Dog for sale: eats anything and is fond of children" - Classified Ad "If you're ever in doubt, throw a pepper in the air. If it fails to come down, you have gone mad, so don't trust in anything." - Gregory Maguire, "Mirror Mirror" |
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Update Q: allergies, gut problems and Neocate Vs breastmilk
FlowerGirl wrote:
"FlowerGirl" wrote in message ... "brandini73" wrote in message oups.com... My son is only 5 1/2 months old & he gets 1200 mg. per day. I mix it with BM until it's the consistancy of prepared baby cereal. In our case, I believe my son is intolerant, not truly allergic & that he'll grow out of it. I'm willing to keep him on slippery elm forever, though, if he doesn't. At a seminar I was at on this very subject, some of the moms had great success using high doses of probiotics (given to the kids) to heal leaky guts. Good luck! Brandy Update: Bub and mum have been to a herbalist / accupressure (not sure exactly) as of Friday (don't know exactly what the herbs are but not slippery elm). So far bub has done *normal* poos (rather than mucousy green slimey ones) but has had some excess wind. ... The mum is encouraged and is going to try this for a week or two, and then is still going to try slippery elm if the current tmt makes no difference. So thanks - fingers crossed that this tmt helps! Amanda ...and another update.... All is looking encouraging ... bub has only done *normal* poos (previously a very rare event) since starting the tmt on Friday (yay) ... has been calmer and has been able to release the wind by *herself* for the first time (and she's not doing anything new like rolling so we don't think its coincidnece Previously the parents had had to hold and rock her until she managed to pass the wind, so this is a huge change. The Mum is sounding positive that finally *something* seems to be working Thanks so much for all the suggestions Amanda that's fantastic. and great that she will be able to keep breastfeeding as she wanted! yay! are you able to find out what the treatment is? -- elizabeth (in australia) mum to DS1 "cheese" (almost 4 yrs) & DS2 "chalk" (almost 10 mths) "Dog for sale: eats anything and is fond of children" - Classified Ad "If you're ever in doubt, throw a pepper in the air. If it fails to come down, you have gone mad, so don't trust in anything." - Gregory Maguire, "Mirror Mirror" |
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Update Q: allergies, gut problems and Neocate Vs breastmilk
"arachne" wrote in message ... FlowerGirl wrote: "FlowerGirl" wrote in message ... "brandini73" wrote in message oups.com... My son is only 5 1/2 months old & he gets 1200 mg. per day. I mix it with BM until it's the consistancy of prepared baby cereal. In our case, I believe my son is intolerant, not truly allergic & that he'll grow out of it. I'm willing to keep him on slippery elm forever, though, if he doesn't. At a seminar I was at on this very subject, some of the moms had great success using high doses of probiotics (given to the kids) to heal leaky guts. Good luck! Brandy Update: Bub and mum have been to a herbalist / accupressure (not sure exactly) as of Friday (don't know exactly what the herbs are but not slippery elm). So far bub has done *normal* poos (rather than mucousy green slimey ones) but has had some excess wind. ... The mum is encouraged and is going to try this for a week or two, and then is still going to try slippery elm if the current tmt makes no difference. So thanks - fingers crossed that this tmt helps! Amanda ...and another update.... All is looking encouraging ... bub has only done *normal* poos (previously a very rare event) since starting the tmt on Friday (yay) ... has been calmer and has been able to release the wind by *herself* for the first time (and she's not doing anything new like rolling so we don't think its coincidnece Previously the parents had had to hold and rock her until she managed to pass the wind, so this is a huge change. The Mum is sounding positive that finally *something* seems to be working Thanks so much for all the suggestions Amanda that's fantastic. and great that she will be able to keep breastfeeding as she wanted! yay! are you able to find out what the treatment is? I will at some point ... she did explain it at p'group but too much other stuff going on for me to understand it all. She's asked me to update here and thank everybody too... Also - I *am* going to respond to your update in af ... too much stuff going on with you guys for me to do a quick reply so I'm not ignoring you ... I'm just digesting info XA |
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