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Old March 17th 05, 03:12 PM
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AOL now doesn't have newsgroup access, but I wanted to come back to
misc.kids once more; I frequented it years ago when there was no need
to moderate it. I'm using the name I rarely use but that is used for
IM'ing and such right now.

The reason I post is because I have begun a campaign to get Warner
Brothers to make changes to Full House on their DVDs to acknowledge the
work of the oldest girl, D.J., in raising Michelle. As it is, official
show canon is that the father didn't punish Michelle till she was
almost 4, didn't put her in timeout or even remove privileges (both
of which the family considers "punishment," even if others might
not, it is to them.)

Michelle is much too well behaved to have had no negative consequences
(which is reall what "punishment" is to them) till she was almost
four; this is in fact impossible for any child. Instead, it is obvious
from how Michelle listens to D.J. before that D.J. - In the 99% of the
family's waking hours we don't see - would be considered the
"background mom." And, Danny is inconsistent enough later that she
still must work. Danny is clearly depressed from missing Pam, and whie
he was able with the older girls to enforce rules and such, he
doesn't feel he can himself because at the start with the others, Pam
was always beside him. (It is possible Pam did everything till the
girls were 3-4, too.)

So, please join me in my attempt to get the creators to acknowledge
this, and if you feel the need to say exactly what was done with
Michelle the times we don't see her corrected. Please write to:
Warner Home Video
Attn: Full House on DVDs
3903 West Olive Avenue, Room 3144
Burbank, CA 91505
(818) 954-6000

If you did not watch Full House, it was a very loving and wholesome
show, one of the last, and included more mention of the deceased parent
than any others did combined. However, it's clear the men were too
inexperienced w/Michelle.

You'll be happy to know, though, that in the books, Michelle is much
better behaved, much more polite and compassionate, and so on. The
reason is she takes after D.J. in the books, as she's the oldest
besides the dad on the 2nd floor; Jesse is in the attic from the start.
However, on TV, the sometimes still wild Uncle Jesse is the "mother
figure" for Michelle. And, we all know the importance of that person
who snuggles in bed & talks to the child in the morning, gets them
dressed, and so on. A real bond develops, and it makes a lot of sense
how the writers had Michelle being a bit like Jesse.

And yet, they also have her very well-behaved, all things considered.
Usually just a talk w/him is enough, probably stops being after a few
years, though, b/c he never enforces limits with her. He never puts
her in timeout, if he had, it would have been much easier for him to
time out his own kids without thinking of how his dad always screamed
so much.

Yeah I know, I really get into some stuff like this. I've learned I
may have a slight touch of Asperger's Syndrome, it does explain quite
a few things growing up. It's not huge, but it does explain a number
of things - included perhaps this post :- )

But, I hope you will write to them and encourge them to acknowledge
D.J.'s work in disciplining Michelle. Because someone had to teach
her right from wrong. And, if you have ideas on how that might have
been done even after Danny, the dad, started, please feel free to
include them. I have always thought D.J. made her do some of her
chores as punishment & dared her out of privileges at times, we see
similar dares in one episode of season 8, though those could be for
fun, too.

One thing I will add - I believe Danny had to at least support D.J.
doing this, but she'd be much more dedicated in the books to being
consistent till Danny was ready. But, maybe she'd have to be in both,
I don't know. Either way, Michelle isn't perfect, but is much better &
very compliant after Disneyworld all of a sudden. And, I think the
writers knew they had to have a reason, as she couldn't be able to be
shown as a "female Dennis the Menace" anymore. (I believe that's why we
see a 2nd stage of wildness from 5-6.5, remember this is when Dennis
was becoming very popular again, and she was just like him, never
malicious or mean, just wild enough to be cute. It's just that lots of
fans wish they'd seen her in a timeout chair like Dennis, too. :-)
But, as I was saying, D.J. is her boss for 3 straight weeks at camp,
and nobody else is. I think that summer, & especially at camp,
Michelle realized it was much better to obey the more lenient Danny, in
the writers' minds.

Yeah, I bet some of you are saying "definitely Aspergers" if you know
that syndrome, witht he way I find so much little things like that :-)
Anyway, thanks for your time, and for taking part in making this show
more realistic on DVDs, encouraging them to make comments and whatnot
confirming what most fans who bother to take it apart already sensed.

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Old March 17th 05, 09:02 PM
Robyn Kozierok
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wrote:
The reason I post is because I have begun a campaign to get Warner
Brothers to make changes to Full House on their DVDs to acknowledge the
work of the oldest girl, D.J., in raising Michelle. As it is, official
show canon is that the father didn't punish Michelle till she was
almost 4, didn't put her in timeout or even remove privileges (both
of which the family considers "punishment," even if others might
not, it is to them.)

Michelle is much too well behaved to have had no negative consequences
(which is reall what "punishment" is to them) till she was almost
four; this is in fact impossible for any child.


I'm not sure what you think Warner Bros. could do about it now, even
if they agreed with you. Surely you realize that the child stars
of Full House have long since grown up, and they can't just record a
few extra episodes to fill in the discipline gaps you feel they've left.

Rather than tilting at windmills to get a company to make an impossible
"fix" to a years-old show, perhaps the better approach is to teach our
children that sit-coms are not a realistic reflection of life. Watch
the show with your children and point out the inconsistencies you see.
Challenge them to point out other inconsistencies and unrealistic parts
in this and other shows they watch. Help them to become critical consumers
of whatever mass media programming you allow them to watch.

--Robyn

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Old March 18th 05, 03:58 AM
Scott
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Robyn Kozierok wrote:
In article .com,
wrote:

The reason I post is because I have begun a campaign to get Warner
Brothers to make changes to Full House on their DVDs to acknowledge the
work of the oldest girl, D.J., in raising Michelle. As it is, official
show canon is that the father didn't punish Michelle till she was
almost 4, didn't put her in timeout or even remove privileges (both
of which the family considers "punishment," even if others might
not, it is to them.)

Michelle is much too well behaved to have had no negative consequences
(which is reall what "punishment" is to them) till she was almost
four; this is in fact impossible for any child.



I'm not sure what you think Warner Bros. could do about it now, even
if they agreed with you. Surely you realize that the child stars
of Full House have long since grown up, and they can't just record a
few extra episodes to fill in the discipline gaps you feel they've left.

Rather than tilting at windmills to get a company to make an impossible
"fix" to a years-old show, perhaps the better approach is to teach our
children that sit-coms are not a realistic reflection of life. Watch
the show with your children and point out the inconsistencies you see.
Challenge them to point out other inconsistencies and unrealistic parts
in this and other shows they watch. Help them to become critical consumers
of whatever mass media programming you allow them to watch.

--Robyn


I do this all the time with weather in movies and on TV. My
kids just roll their eyes

Seriously, though, pointing out errors and inconsistencies in mass
media is a great thing to do....

Scott DD 11 and DS 9

 




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