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Mark Probert Has Emailed His Brother-In-Law At Homeland Security About a VERY benign email exchange. Very Strange!!!!!
"Mark Probert" wrote: Do not email me again. You use my openness as a means of attacking me. http://groups.google.com/group/misc....6629510212dea3 Feb 12, 2004 Do not e-mail me again, Mark. I have asked you repeatedly NOT to e-mail me privately. I reported you to aol. Subj: Is There Some Reason... Date: 2/12/2004 2:18:07 PM Pacific Standard Time From: AloysiousX To: JDrew63929 Is there some reason why you won't let me ask you a few questions, Jan? I'm really curious about your involvement with Ilena Rosenthal. But I guess my most basic question is whether or not you are in California (like I am), or over in Indiana, like your profile says. I had thought you were out west, but I guess not. As Salaam Aleikum! Aloysious From: "Mark ProbertFebruary 12, 2004" Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 14:59:54 GMT Local: Fri, Feb 13 2004 10:59 am Subject: More Unwanted e-mail "Jan" wrote in message ... Do not e-mail me again, Mark. I have asked you repeatedly NOT to e-mail me privately. I reported you to aol. Good. I asked Al-X to assist me by having AOL state that his NNTP posting host is not in the northeast, and Al-X refused. What Al-X gets is his own problem. Now, when they tell you that I am not Al-X, will you post that and apologize? I am not holding my breath. http://groups.google.com/group/alt.s...57a9a99156aa7b Jan 7 2004, 3:00 pm Path: archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!newsfeed2.da llas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!au drey-m1.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 30 X-Admin: From: (AloysiousX) Newsgroups: alt.support.breast-implant Date: 07 Jan 2004 18:59:31 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: A New Year's Resolution Message-ID: Subject: A New Year's Resolution From: (Jan) Date: 1/6/2004 11:51 PM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: Subject: A New Year's Resolution From: (Ilena) Date: 1/6/2004 1:51 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: (Mark S "Marla" Probert) OMG!!!!! It's him AGAIN hiding behind YET ANOTHER fake name!! No, it isn't. Sistah Ilena has made this accusation but has not been able to substantiate it in any way. You might ask her why she believes this, Sistah Jan. Using his son's computer. I have no children, Sistah Jan. As Salaam Aleikum, my Sistah! AloysiousX http://groups.google.com/group/alt.s...f3df4870117702 Jan 7 2004 3:39 pm Subject: A New Year's Resolution From: (Jan) Date: 1/6/2004 11:47 PM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: Subject: A New Year's Resolution From: (AloysiousX) Date: 1/6/2004 9:54 AM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: Subject: A New Year's Resolution From: (Ilena) Date: 1/6/2004 12:08 PM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: Jan "The Provacateuse" ... this one cracked me up! Then you are obviously easily amused. Even though Andrew and others have made the spirit in which they made their New Year's Resolution clear The spirit?? Care to explain that?? I would be happy to. In their Resolution, the participants said the following: "We, the undersigned, are certain that like us, you have grown immensely tired of this back and forth... Therefore, as the turn of a New Year symbolizes new beginnings, we are offering the following New Year's Resolution..." The spirit? They are tired, they know that others are tired, and therefore because it is a time for new beginnings they are going to alleviate everybody's tiredness and disengage. As I said earlier, it was clear. others feel the need to weigh in inappropriately. What need does that fulfill?? I am not sure. As you are the one weighing in inappropriately perhaps you can tell us what need that inappropriate weighing in fulfills? It is fairly obvious to me that Jan was trying to provoke one of the signers into breaking their promise, That's a strange logic, please kindly leave means, please kindly leave. If that provokes, you must be hunting for something more to whine about. "Please kindly leave," especially when stated from someone who infreqently posts to the breast implant group (I do not recall ever seeing a post by you here), and from someone who frequently posts in support of Sistah Ilena elsewhere (which I have seen), is a statement calculated to elicit a response from somebody else. You don't tell someone to "get out" (to put it less politely and more plainly) unless you're trying to provoke a response. just as it is obvious to me that you are doing the same thing, Sistah Ilena. Umm. Sistah. Was that meant to provoke?? No, that was meant to be polite. I try to refer to all of Allah's human creatures as my brothers and "Sistahs". There is something that you say below that I find extremely provocative. Please don't stress yourself, better to just leave. Why should I leave, Sistah Jan? I came here looking for information and have now been mistaken for someone I am not. Sistah Ilena made an accusation (another one), and I found the context in which that accusation was made to be provocative as well. snip I see you snipped where I again point out that Sistah Ilena's accusation that I am Mark Probert is not substantiated. With a provoking statement. She didn't have to say anything at all, but if she was posting to elicit a response on the subject, she was acting in a provoking apacity. Gee, such a big deal over the words. *please kindly leave*. When someone who rarely posts to the breast implant groupand who posts elsewhere a great deal in support of Sistah Ilena shows up to tell someone who has said that they are going to ignore Sistah Ilena to "leave," I'd say that is something to take notice of. A pity a support group has turned into such hate. Hate? I don't hate anybody, Sistah Jan. I came here originally to find information, and when I tried to be nice, was attacked and accused of being someone who I am not. What I do have is a concern for fairness and equity. Some of the unfair and inequitable treatment in the breast implant group really bothers me. As Salaam Aleikum, My Sistah! AloysiousX http://groups.google.com/group/alt.s...e770361f1bca65 Jan 2 2004 , 12:27 pm Newsgroups: alt.support.breast-implant, misc.health.alternative, misc.kids.health From: "Mark ProbertJanuary 4, 2004" Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 16:27:07 GMT Local: Sun, Jan 4 2004 12:27 pm Subject: A New Year's Resolution Path: archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!newsfeed2.da llas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!priapus.visi.com! orange.octanews.net!news.octanews.net!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!newshosting.com!nx02.i ad01.newshosting.com!167.206.3.103.MISMATCH!news3. optonline.net!news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Mark ProbertJanuary 4, 2004" Newsgroups: alt.support.breast-implant,misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health Subject: A New Year's Resolution Lines: 111 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 16:27:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.194.64.219 X-Complaints-To: X-Trace: news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net 1073233627 68.194.64.219 (Sun, 04 Jan 2004 11:27:07 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 11:27:07 EST Organization: Optimum Online OrgName: Optimum Online (Cablevision Systems) OrgID: OPTO Address: 111 new south RD City: Hicksville StateProv: NY PostalCode: 11801 Country: US From: Andrew Langer ) Subject: A New Year's Resolution View: Complete Thread (2 articles) Original Format Newsgroups: alt.support.breast-implant Date: 2003-12-31 08:03:44 PST R E S O L V E D To the readers of Alt.support.breast-implant: Many of you have seen or read the numerous messages which go back and forth between Ilena Rosenthal, Director of the Humantics Foundation for Women, and persons she refers to as her "enemies". We, the undersigned, are certain that like us, you have grown immensely tired of this back and forth. Therefore, as the turn of a New Year symbolizes new beginnings, we are offering the following New Year's Resolution. Commencing from the period immediately following the posting of this message, and through January 31, the undersigned posters pledge to completely ignore Ilena Rosenthal. And we mean ignore in the same spirit offered by the great non-violent peace activists: we will not not respond, no matter how provoked. We will not provoke. We will not acknowledge the presence or even existence of Ilena Rosenthal whatsoever on Usenet. Ms. Rosenthal herself has said, "Here's another idea ... ask those attacking me to leave me alone ...have them stop telling me what to do, how to do it, and stop claiming I'm a cocaine addicted pandering whore ...and I'll have no need to defend myself. I'd happily continue posting articles, studies, links etc. as I've done for 8 years." (Message: ) Here is a perfect opportunity for her to finally make that promise real. On February 1, the success of this will be assessed, and a thorough and honest accounting will be offered in the form of a brief summary report. At that time, it is up to the signatories to this resolution to decide for themselves whether or not their participation ought to be continued. One note - this pledge does not mean that the signatories refrain from posting to Usenet, or even from a.s.b-i. It means, simply, that for the period of this point through January 31, it will be as though Ilena Rosenthal does not exist to them. They are free to post anything else, so long as it does not respond to, refer to, or in any way acknowledge Ilena Rosenthal, the Humantics Foundation, or any directly associated entities. Thank you for your understanding of this matter. We would ask that any non-signatories not inflame the rhetoric themselves, and if you must write on this subject that it be in a moderating and reminding capacity. Our best wishes for a happy, prosperous, productive, and peaceful New Year. Any of those not listed who are interested in participating are free to add their names at the bottom, so long as they recognize the responsibility such signing carries with it. We do not want anyone joining with us who cannot exercise the self-control necessary to engage in this civil action. Sincerely, Andrew M. Langer Coleah Penley-Ayers Martha Murdock Myrl Jeffcoat Robert Moore Dr. Patrick O'Leary Karen S. Lawrence Suan Schaezler , I made this resolution severalyears ago. Unfortunately, I am still the victim of her attacks as she sees me everywhere anyone posts from AOL. I have absolutely no desire to deal with this woman, but, alas, she will not leave me alone. http://groups.google.com/group/alt.s...5af458ddef0ec1 Jan 2 2004 1:55 pm Subject: A New Year's Resolution From: (Ilena) Date: 1/6/2004 12:08 PM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: Jan "The Provacateuse" ... this one cracked me up! Then you are obviously easily amused. Even though Andrew and others have made the spirit in which they made their New Year's Resolution clear, others feel the need to weigh in inappropriately. It is fairly obvious to me that Jan was trying to provoke one of the signers into breaking their promise, just as it is obvious to me that you are doing the same thing, Sistah Ilena. There is something that you say below that I find extremely provocative. Andy's arrogance has reached new depths ... as well as his misusing this french word for "provoker." Are we to now believe that you are an expert in french, Sistah? I thought it was fairly clear (and clever) that rather than call Jan a "provocateur", which would be incorrect given her gender, he called her a "provocateuse", which was gender-correct. Rather PC of him. Certainly accurate. It's a nicer word than "provoker," don't you think? "Provacateuse" ... Junk Science$peak for daring to respond to a thread where Junk Science Flack Andy (Andrew M. Langer) was calling his troups together! You get a little touchy when people publicly announce that they want nothing to do with you, don't you, Sistah Ilena? Andy and Aloysisius/Marla/Probert have longed worked threads in tandem ... especially when they are about me ... (who Andy is "ignoring" of course and won't even read this note if he is being honest)... Well, my only intersection with Langer and Probert has been regarding you, Sistah Ilena. I've never even spoken with Probert, though you claim that he and I are the same person. Apparently it is just another unsupported accusation made by Sistah Ilena Rosenthal. After Andy and failed silicone manufacturer O'leary and Dow Corning Dave (his Daddy and he both have been on the silicone gravy train) and the "educated" so called "silicone support leaders" (Dow's Networks as discussed in their memo from 1992, see below) www.humanticsfoundation.com/myrl.html#networks pledged their allegiance to ignore me ... and Marla Probert distributed this further to other of his groups he fills with Quack$peak for Barrett etc. ... and Jan dared to respond ... With a provoking statement. She didn't have to say anything at all, but if she was posting to elicit a response on the subject, she was acting in a provoking capacity. Andy posted his verse below ... apparently ignorant that he was the provoker ... not Jan. My dictionary defines "provoker" as "someone who deliberately foments trouble." Posting a statement that you are going to ignore someone isn't one of provocation, as it isn't made to "foment trouble." The statement was posted explicitly to avoid trouble and alleviate trouble. Isn't it funny how someone who just accused someone else of misusing a word has now been shown to have been misusing a word herself? Both Andy and Probert "reach out" to posters who don't go with their "program" in their attempts to "educate" them ... I just found a couple of messages from women telling me how after they posted here ... Andy wrote them trying to "educate" them of how bad I am (LOL) ... nice job he has! This is the provactive statement I referred to above, Sistah Ilena. It is clearly provocative to make an accusation that someone has gone behind someone else's back to undermine their credibility and then not post any proof to support that accusation, especially when the accused person has sworn not to respond, and is thus unable to defend himself. This is the kind of tactic you keep in your arsenal, and one of the reasons why I could in good conscience no longer support you. So now I ask you, because Brother Langer cannot, to please share with us your proof of this accusation. Please, Sistah Ilena. I would like to see the e-mails that Brother Langer sent to these women. As Salaam Aleikum, my Sistah! Our best wishes for a happy, prosperous, productive, and peaceful New Year. Any of those not listed who are interested in participating are free to add their names at the bottom, so long as they recognize the responsibility such signing carries with it. We do not want anyone joining with us who cannot exercise the self-control necessary to engage in this civil action. Sincerely, Andrew M. Langer Coleah Penley-Ayers Martha Murdock Myrl Jeffcoat Robert Moore Dr. Patrick O'Leary Karen S. Lawrence Susan Schaezler , Dave Angelotti Mark Probert AloysiousX http://groups.google.com/group/alt.s...d1f05a8dd18a33 Jan 13 2004 11:40 am "Jan" wrote in message ... From: Andrew Langer Date: 1/12/2004 9:24 AM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: Phew,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Do you know when to shut up?? Carry on. Tsk. Tsk. Jan, why are you here? Your name never came up in this group before. Follow this thread: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.s...cc6f99c546c8eb |
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Mark Probert Has Emailed His Brother-In-Law At Homeland Security About a VERY benign email exchange. Very Strange!!!!!
Hello, marcia.....
"Jan Drew" wrote in message . .. "Mark Probert" wrote: Do not email me again. You use my openness as a means of attacking me. http://groups.google.com/group/misc....6629510212dea3 Feb 12, 2004 Do not e-mail me again, Mark. I have asked you repeatedly NOT to e-mail me privately. I reported you to aol. Subj: Is There Some Reason... Date: 2/12/2004 2:18:07 PM Pacific Standard Time From: AloysiousX To: JDrew63929 Is there some reason why you won't let me ask you a few questions, Jan? I'm really curious about your involvement with Ilena Rosenthal. But I guess my most basic question is whether or not you are in California (like I am), or over in Indiana, like your profile says. I had thought you were out west, but I guess not. As Salaam Aleikum! Aloysious From: "Mark ProbertFebruary 12, 2004" Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 14:59:54 GMT Local: Fri, Feb 13 2004 10:59 am Subject: More Unwanted e-mail "Jan" wrote in message ... Do not e-mail me again, Mark. I have asked you repeatedly NOT to e-mail me privately. I reported you to aol. Good. I asked Al-X to assist me by having AOL state that his NNTP posting host is not in the northeast, and Al-X refused. What Al-X gets is his own problem. Now, when they tell you that I am not Al-X, will you post that and apologize? I am not holding my breath. http://groups.google.com/group/alt.s...57a9a99156aa7b Jan 7 2004, 3:00 pm Path: archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!newsfeed2.da llas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!au drey-m1.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 30 X-Admin: From: (AloysiousX) Newsgroups: alt.support.breast-implant Date: 07 Jan 2004 18:59:31 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: A New Year's Resolution Message-ID: Subject: A New Year's Resolution From: (Jan) Date: 1/6/2004 11:51 PM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: Subject: A New Year's Resolution From: (Ilena) Date: 1/6/2004 1:51 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: (Mark S "Marla" Probert) OMG!!!!! It's him AGAIN hiding behind YET ANOTHER fake name!! No, it isn't. Sistah Ilena has made this accusation but has not been able to substantiate it in any way. You might ask her why she believes this, Sistah Jan. Using his son's computer. I have no children, Sistah Jan. As Salaam Aleikum, my Sistah! AloysiousX http://groups.google.com/group/alt.s...f3df4870117702 Jan 7 2004 3:39 pm Subject: A New Year's Resolution From: (Jan) Date: 1/6/2004 11:47 PM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: Subject: A New Year's Resolution From: (AloysiousX) Date: 1/6/2004 9:54 AM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: Subject: A New Year's Resolution From: (Ilena) Date: 1/6/2004 12:08 PM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: Jan "The Provacateuse" ... this one cracked me up! Then you are obviously easily amused. Even though Andrew and others have made the spirit in which they made their New Year's Resolution clear The spirit?? Care to explain that?? I would be happy to. In their Resolution, the participants said the following: "We, the undersigned, are certain that like us, you have grown immensely tired of this back and forth... Therefore, as the turn of a New Year symbolizes new beginnings, we are offering the following New Year's Resolution..." The spirit? They are tired, they know that others are tired, and therefore because it is a time for new beginnings they are going to alleviate everybody's tiredness and disengage. As I said earlier, it was clear. others feel the need to weigh in inappropriately. What need does that fulfill?? I am not sure. As you are the one weighing in inappropriately perhaps you can tell us what need that inappropriate weighing in fulfills? It is fairly obvious to me that Jan was trying to provoke one of the signers into breaking their promise, That's a strange logic, please kindly leave means, please kindly leave. If that provokes, you must be hunting for something more to whine about. "Please kindly leave," especially when stated from someone who infreqently posts to the breast implant group (I do not recall ever seeing a post by you here), and from someone who frequently posts in support of Sistah Ilena elsewhere (which I have seen), is a statement calculated to elicit a response from somebody else. You don't tell someone to "get out" (to put it less politely and more plainly) unless you're trying to provoke a response. just as it is obvious to me that you are doing the same thing, Sistah Ilena. Umm. Sistah. Was that meant to provoke?? No, that was meant to be polite. I try to refer to all of Allah's human creatures as my brothers and "Sistahs". There is something that you say below that I find extremely provocative. Please don't stress yourself, better to just leave. Why should I leave, Sistah Jan? I came here looking for information and have now been mistaken for someone I am not. Sistah Ilena made an accusation (another one), and I found the context in which that accusation was made to be provocative as well. snip I see you snipped where I again point out that Sistah Ilena's accusation that I am Mark Probert is not substantiated. With a provoking statement. She didn't have to say anything at all, but if she was posting to elicit a response on the subject, she was acting in a provoking apacity. Gee, such a big deal over the words. *please kindly leave*. When someone who rarely posts to the breast implant groupand who posts elsewhere a great deal in support of Sistah Ilena shows up to tell someone who has said that they are going to ignore Sistah Ilena to "leave," I'd say that is something to take notice of. A pity a support group has turned into such hate. Hate? I don't hate anybody, Sistah Jan. I came here originally to find information, and when I tried to be nice, was attacked and accused of being someone who I am not. What I do have is a concern for fairness and equity. Some of the unfair and inequitable treatment in the breast implant group really bothers me. As Salaam Aleikum, My Sistah! AloysiousX http://groups.google.com/group/alt.s...e770361f1bca65 Jan 2 2004 , 12:27 pm Newsgroups: alt.support.breast-implant, misc.health.alternative, misc.kids.health From: "Mark ProbertJanuary 4, 2004" Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 16:27:07 GMT Local: Sun, Jan 4 2004 12:27 pm Subject: A New Year's Resolution Path: archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!newsfeed2.da llas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!priapus.visi.com! orange.octanews.net!news.octanews.net!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!newshosting.com!nx02.i ad01.newshosting.com!167.206.3.103.MISMATCH!news3. optonline.net!news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Mark ProbertJanuary 4, 2004" Newsgroups: alt.support.breast-implant,misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health Subject: A New Year's Resolution Lines: 111 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 16:27:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.194.64.219 X-Complaints-To: X-Trace: news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net 1073233627 68.194.64.219 (Sun, 04 Jan 2004 11:27:07 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 11:27:07 EST Organization: Optimum Online OrgName: Optimum Online (Cablevision Systems) OrgID: OPTO Address: 111 new south RD City: Hicksville StateProv: NY PostalCode: 11801 Country: US From: Andrew Langer ) Subject: A New Year's Resolution View: Complete Thread (2 articles) Original Format Newsgroups: alt.support.breast-implant Date: 2003-12-31 08:03:44 PST R E S O L V E D To the readers of Alt.support.breast-implant: Many of you have seen or read the numerous messages which go back and forth between Ilena Rosenthal, Director of the Humantics Foundation for Women, and persons she refers to as her "enemies". We, the undersigned, are certain that like us, you have grown immensely tired of this back and forth. Therefore, as the turn of a New Year symbolizes new beginnings, we are offering the following New Year's Resolution. Commencing from the period immediately following the posting of this message, and through January 31, the undersigned posters pledge to completely ignore Ilena Rosenthal. And we mean ignore in the same spirit offered by the great non-violent peace activists: we will not not respond, no matter how provoked. We will not provoke. We will not acknowledge the presence or even existence of Ilena Rosenthal whatsoever on Usenet. Ms. Rosenthal herself has said, "Here's another idea ... ask those attacking me to leave me alone ...have them stop telling me what to do, how to do it, and stop claiming I'm a cocaine addicted pandering whore ...and I'll have no need to defend myself. I'd happily continue posting articles, studies, links etc. as I've done for 8 years." (Message: ) Here is a perfect opportunity for her to finally make that promise real. On February 1, the success of this will be assessed, and a thorough and honest accounting will be offered in the form of a brief summary report. At that time, it is up to the signatories to this resolution to decide for themselves whether or not their participation ought to be continued. One note - this pledge does not mean that the signatories refrain from posting to Usenet, or even from a.s.b-i. It means, simply, that for the period of this point through January 31, it will be as though Ilena Rosenthal does not exist to them. They are free to post anything else, so long as it does not respond to, refer to, or in any way acknowledge Ilena Rosenthal, the Humantics Foundation, or any directly associated entities. Thank you for your understanding of this matter. We would ask that any non-signatories not inflame the rhetoric themselves, and if you must write on this subject that it be in a moderating and reminding capacity. Our best wishes for a happy, prosperous, productive, and peaceful New Year. Any of those not listed who are interested in participating are free to add their names at the bottom, so long as they recognize the responsibility such signing carries with it. We do not want anyone joining with us who cannot exercise the self-control necessary to engage in this civil action. Sincerely, Andrew M. Langer Coleah Penley-Ayers Martha Murdock Myrl Jeffcoat Robert Moore Dr. Patrick O'Leary Karen S. Lawrence Suan Schaezler , I made this resolution severalyears ago. Unfortunately, I am still the victim of her attacks as she sees me everywhere anyone posts from AOL. I have absolutely no desire to deal with this woman, but, alas, she will not leave me alone. http://groups.google.com/group/alt.s...5af458ddef0ec1 Jan 2 2004 1:55 pm Subject: A New Year's Resolution From: (Ilena) Date: 1/6/2004 12:08 PM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: Jan "The Provacateuse" ... this one cracked me up! Then you are obviously easily amused. Even though Andrew and others have made the spirit in which they made their New Year's Resolution clear, others feel the need to weigh in inappropriately. It is fairly obvious to me that Jan was trying to provoke one of the signers into breaking their promise, just as it is obvious to me that you are doing the same thing, Sistah Ilena. There is something that you say below that I find extremely provocative. Andy's arrogance has reached new depths ... as well as his misusing this french word for "provoker." Are we to now believe that you are an expert in french, Sistah? I thought it was fairly clear (and clever) that rather than call Jan a "provocateur", which would be incorrect given her gender, he called her a "provocateuse", which was gender-correct. Rather PC of him. Certainly accurate. It's a nicer word than "provoker," don't you think? "Provacateuse" ... Junk Science$peak for daring to respond to a thread where Junk Science Flack Andy (Andrew M. Langer) was calling his troups together! You get a little touchy when people publicly announce that they want nothing to do with you, don't you, Sistah Ilena? Andy and Aloysisius/Marla/Probert have longed worked threads in tandem ... especially when they are about me ... (who Andy is "ignoring" of course and won't even read this note if he is being honest)... Well, my only intersection with Langer and Probert has been regarding you, Sistah Ilena. I've never even spoken with Probert, though you claim that he and I are the same person. Apparently it is just another unsupported accusation made by Sistah Ilena Rosenthal. After Andy and failed silicone manufacturer O'leary and Dow Corning Dave (his Daddy and he both have been on the silicone gravy train) and the "educated" so called "silicone support leaders" (Dow's Networks as discussed in their memo from 1992, see below) www.humanticsfoundation.com/myrl.html#networks pledged their allegiance to ignore me ... and Marla Probert distributed this further to other of his groups he fills with Quack$peak for Barrett etc. ... and Jan dared to respond ... With a provoking statement. She didn't have to say anything at all, but if she was posting to elicit a response on the subject, she was acting in a provoking capacity. Andy posted his verse below ... apparently ignorant that he was the provoker ... not Jan. My dictionary defines "provoker" as "someone who deliberately foments trouble." Posting a statement that you are going to ignore someone isn't one of provocation, as it isn't made to "foment trouble." The statement was posted explicitly to avoid trouble and alleviate trouble. Isn't it funny how someone who just accused someone else of misusing a word has now been shown to have been misusing a word herself? Both Andy and Probert "reach out" to posters who don't go with their "program" in their attempts to "educate" them ... I just found a couple of messages from women telling me how after they posted here ... Andy wrote them trying to "educate" them of how bad I am (LOL) ... nice job he has! This is the provactive statement I referred to above, Sistah Ilena. It is clearly provocative to make an accusation that someone has gone behind someone else's back to undermine their credibility and then not post any proof to support that accusation, especially when the accused person has sworn not to respond, and is thus unable to defend himself. This is the kind of tactic you keep in your arsenal, and one of the reasons why I could in good conscience no longer support you. So now I ask you, because Brother Langer cannot, to please share with us your proof of this accusation. Please, Sistah Ilena. I would like to see the e-mails that Brother Langer sent to these women. As Salaam Aleikum, my Sistah! Our best wishes for a happy, prosperous, productive, and peaceful New Year. Any of those not listed who are interested in participating are free to add their names at the bottom, so long as they recognize the responsibility such signing carries with it. We do not want anyone joining with us who cannot exercise the self-control necessary to engage in this civil action. Sincerely, Andrew M. Langer Coleah Penley-Ayers Martha Murdock Myrl Jeffcoat Robert Moore Dr. Patrick O'Leary Karen S. Lawrence Susan Schaezler , Dave Angelotti Mark Probert AloysiousX http://groups.google.com/group/alt.s...d1f05a8dd18a33 Jan 13 2004 11:40 am "Jan" wrote in message ... From: Andrew Langer Date: 1/12/2004 9:24 AM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: Phew,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Do you know when to shut up?? Carry on. Tsk. Tsk. Jan, why are you here? Your name never came up in this group before. Follow this thread: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.s...cc6f99c546c8eb |
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