A praise report. PRAISE GOD!!!

A well known leader and critic of me at my christian university who
believes she is called to the pastorial ministry apologized to me today
for her many attacks and criticism of the biblical views that I stand
for over the years. Over the years me and this individual have been in
many debates. Sometimes resulting in name calling and such.

There are about 5-6 critics that follow me around from course to course
and are always the ones to criticize the biblical views that I teach
or suggest in ministry, theology and bible courses. Two of the biggest
issues with these critics is that I am a well known critic of the
Emerging Church, and I am in favor of the biblical view of manhood and
womanhood, which clearly states that a woman shall not teach or have
spiritual authority over a man.

For me what happened today is a joy. I was told that this former
critic used to warn other female and male students about me and my
views so I am still looked at in a negative light by some here. I know
this because I have been approached by people whom I've never met who
already know where I stand theologicially and biblically on issues.
They would not have know this, except for the persistent critics that I
have.

But praise the Lord that one repented!

These boards are for christians to encourage each other and report
praise requests. So anyone else report your praise reports.


John

wrote:
A well known leader and critic of me at my christian university who
believes she is called to the pastorial ministry apologized to me
today for her many attacks and criticism of the biblical views that I
stand for over the years.

Praise the Lord!

Jason

Over the years me and this individual have
been in many debates. Sometimes resulting in name calling and such.

There are about 5-6 critics that follow me around from course to
course and are always the ones to criticize the biblical views that
I teach or suggest in ministry, theology and bible courses. Two of
the biggest issues with these critics is that I am a well known
critic of the Emerging Church, and I am in favor of the biblical view
of manhood and womanhood, which clearly states that a woman shall not
teach or have spiritual authority over a man.

For me what happened today is a joy. I was told that this former
critic used to warn other female and male students about me and my
views so I am still looked at in a negative light by some here. I
know this because I have been approached by people whom I've never
met who already know where I stand theologicially and biblically on
issues. They would not have know this, except for the persistent
critics that I have.

But praise the Lord that one repented!

These boards are for christians to encourage each other and report
praise requests. So anyone else report your praise reports.


John

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wrote:
A well known leader and critic of me at my christian university who
believes she is called to the pastorial ministry apologized to me
today for her many attacks and criticism of the biblical views that I
stand for over the years. Over the years me and this individual have
been in many debates. Sometimes resulting in name calling and such.

There are about 5-6 critics that follow me around from course to
course and are always the ones to criticize the biblical views that
I teach or suggest in ministry, theology and bible courses. Two of
the biggest issues with these critics is that I am a well known
critic of the Emerging Church, and I am in favor of the biblical view
of manhood and womanhood, which clearly states that a woman shall not
teach or have spiritual authority over a man.

For me what happened today is a joy. I was told that this former
critic used to warn other female and male students about me and my
views so I am still looked at in a negative light by some here. I
know this because I have been approached by people whom I've never
met who already know where I stand theologicially and biblically on
issues. They would not have know this, except for the persistent
critics that I have.

But praise the Lord that one repented!

These boards are for christians to encourage each other and report
praise requests. So anyone else report your praise reports.


John

An idiot wrote:

A well known leader and critic of me at my christian university who
believes she is called to

Somebody please help me here. I have forgotten how many names Jason
Gaytrich uses when he posts to himself or when he is looking for gay
tricks. Is this Johnw94 one of Jason's aliases or is it someone else?
It sounds so ego-filled that it could be Jason Gay-trich or John "I'm
an idiot" Weatherly.

On 23 Apr 2005 01:05:21 -0700 in free.christians,
) said, directing the reply to free.christians



An idiot wrote:

A well known leader and critic of me at my christian university who
believes she is called to

Somebody please help me here. I have forgotten how many names Jason
Gaytrich uses when he posts to himself or when he is looking for gay
tricks. Is this Johnw94 one of Jason's aliases or is it someone else?
It sounds so ego-filled that it could be Jason Gay-trich or John "I'm
an idiot" Weatherly.

Invoking Leibniz's principle of the identity of indiscernibles, they
are in fact the same, even if different!

Congratulations on the progress. Sounds like he softened his heart a bit.

I'm always glad when someone grows closer to the message of salvation.

--

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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oups.com...
A well known leader and critic of me at my christian university who
believes she is called to the pastorial ministry apologized to me today
for her many attacks and criticism of the biblical views that I stand
for over the years. Over the years me and this individual have been in
many debates. Sometimes resulting in name calling and such.

There are about 5-6 critics that follow me around from course to course
and are always the ones to criticize the biblical views that I teach
or suggest in ministry, theology and bible courses. Two of the biggest
issues with these critics is that I am a well known critic of the
Emerging Church, and I am in favor of the biblical view of manhood and
womanhood, which clearly states that a woman shall not teach or have
spiritual authority over a man.

For me what happened today is a joy. I was told that this former
critic used to warn other female and male students about me and my
views so I am still looked at in a negative light by some here. I know
this because I have been approached by people whom I've never met who
already know where I stand theologicially and biblically on issues.
They would not have know this, except for the persistent critics that I
have.

But praise the Lord that one repented!

These boards are for christians to encourage each other and report
praise requests. So anyone else report your praise reports.


John

On 22 Apr 2005 23:01:02 -0700,
) wrote:
I was told that this former
critic used to warn other female and male students about me and my
views so I am still looked at in a negative light by some here.

John - wake up and smell the coffee. No one at Simpson who has
spoken to me has anything other than a negative view of you. The
one thought about you that I've heard consistently is that you're
referred to as "schizo" by other students at Simpson.

Beverly

--
Many a smale maketh a grate -- Geoffrey Chaucer

The gates of free.christians slowly swung open, and there stood "Bev
A. Kupf" ,who intoned thus:
On 22 Apr 2005 23:01:02 -0700,
) wrote:
I was told that this former
critic used to warn other female and male students about me and my
views so I am still looked at in a negative light by some here.

John - wake up and smell the coffee. No one at Simpson who has
spoken to me has anything other than a negative view of you. The
one thought about you that I've heard consistently is that you're
referred to as "schizo" by other students at Simpson.

Beverly
Now why doesn't that surprise me?:
1113929323.1ac5f4157bc8c7c25bbf5c82b30f7b36@terane ws 19 Apr 2005
09:48:34 -0700
21 Apr 2005
06:58:39 GMT
23 Apr 2005
05:31:06 GMT


David Silverman F.L.A.H.N. aa #2208

Due to be prayed for by Gastrich 11.3.2011

On 22 Apr 2005 23:01:02 -0700, wrote:

A well known leader and critic of me at my christian university who
believes she is called to the pastorial ministry apologized to me today
for her many attacks and criticism of the biblical views that I stand
for over the years. Over the years me and this individual have been in
many debates. Sometimes resulting in name calling and such.

There are about 5-6 critics that follow me around from course to course
and are always the ones to criticize the biblical views that I teach
or suggest in ministry, theology and bible courses. Two of the biggest
issues with these critics is that I am a well known critic of the
Emerging Church, and I am in favor of the biblical view of manhood and
womanhood, which clearly states that a woman shall not teach or have
spiritual authority over a man.

For me what happened today is a joy. I was told that this former
critic used to warn other female and male students about me and my
views so I am still looked at in a negative light by some here. I know
this because I have been approached by people whom I've never met who
already know where I stand theologicially and biblically on issues.
They would not have know this, except for the persistent critics that I
have.

But praise the Lord that one repented!

These boards are for christians to encourage each other and report
praise requests. So anyone else report your praise reports.


John

John,

John could it be that the reason that Christians know where you stand
is because God warned them. If that is the case you might want to ask
yourself why God would be warning them and then change your thinking
patterns and behavior.

With regard to your views on the role of women in the church, consider
the following:

Should Women Keep Silence In The Church?

There are those who teach that women should not be allowed to teach
the Word of God and that they should keep silence in the church. This
can not be true because God is not a respector of persons, because
women are ambassadors for Christ, women have been given the ministry
and word of reconciliation, because women have authority to utilize
the manifestations of the spirit, because there are women prophets and
a prophet is a spokesperson for God, etc. . To deny a woman what God
has ordained her to do is wrong because it is contrary to the word of
God, because it prevents her from earning eternal rewards, and because
it robs the body of Christ of her God given abilities.

The following verses say the God is not a respecter of persons.

Act 10:34 KJV
Then Peter opened [his] mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that
God is no respecter of persons:

Eph 6:9 KJV
And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening:
knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect
of persons with him.

Col 3:25 KJV
But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath
done: and there is no respect of persons.

Jam 2:1 KJV
My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, [the Lord]
of glory, with respect of persons.

Jam 2:9 KJV
But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of
the law as transgressors.

1Pe 1:17 KJV
And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth
according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning [here]
in fear:

Not only does the Word of God say that God is not a respecter of
persons, it also says that those who do have respect of persons commit
sin and are convinced of the law as transgressors. Our Father, who
without respect of persons, judgeth according to every man's work. God
does not respect persons, but conditions. Those who meet the
conditions for rewards are rewarded and those who do not meet the
conditions are not rewarded.

A woman who is prevented from performing service to the body of Christ
is not able to earn rewards that her male counterparts are able to
earn because they are not given the opportunity to do so. Christians
are saved by grace. However, eternal rewards are earned by works
performed in service to the body of Christ. Women who are deprived of
the opportunity to serve the body are prevented from earning eternal
rewards. Also, the body of Christ is denied what the woman is able to
supply.

This "policy" has been around for centuries. Think about it. How
many millions of women have been prevented from earning eternal
rewards. How many millions of members of the body of Christ have been
denied service and how many millions of people may not have been saved
because women are not allowed to serve the body of Christ?

The policy existed before the King James Bible was published but for
the sake of illustration let's use a starting date of 1611 when the
KJV Bible was published. How many Christian women have lived since
the year 1611? How many members have been added to the body of Christ
since 1611? How many of the members could have been helped by a woman
had she been allowed to help? How many women have been unable to earn
eternal rewards because they were not allowed to serve? How many
people have lived since the year 1611?

The rest of this study deals with verses which are used to deprive
women of the opportunity to serve the body of Christ.

1Co 14:34 KJV
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted
unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as
also saith the law.

1Ti 2:11 KJV
Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

1Ti 2:12 KJV
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the
man, but to be in silence.

1Ti 2:13 KJV
For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

1Ti 2:14 KJV
And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the
transgression.

1Ti 2:15 KJV
Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue
in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

We will see that these verses are speaking about specific women in
specific circumstances and not to women as gender.

We need to understand a very important word before we continue our
study. The word that we need to study is "man." In English we use
the word "man" to refer to a male person or to a human person that can
include women or children when it is used to mean "mankind." The New
Testament was translated from Greek and there are many different words
translated "man" in the Greek. Sometimes "man" is the translation of
of the masculine of adjectives or nouns, etc. When it is the
translation of a separate Greek word it is one of the following.

(1) anthropos - an individual of the human race, a man or a woman.
(2) aner - a man, an adult male person, a man in sex and in age.
(3) tis - one, some one, a certain one.
(4) arren - male, of the male sex.
(5) arsen - male, of the male sex.
(6) teleios - what has reached its end, persons of full age, full
grown.
(7) oudies - not any one

In he Bible the word "man" is often put for both sexes, men and
women, by the figure of speech Synecdoche of the Species where words
of a limited and special sense are used with a wider and more
universal meaning p. 624, Figures of Speech Used in the Bible
Explained and Illustrated, by E W Bullinger.

The translators of the KJV were very liberal with the masucline
English pronouns and nouns, maybe a little to liberal. Below is the
verse that people use to say that women are to keep silent in the
church. Does the verse say "women keep silence in the church?" Yes
it does say "Let your women keep silence in the churches, for it not
permitted unto them to speak, etc."

1Co 14:34 KJV
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted
unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as
also saith the law.

Apparent contradictdions in the Word of God come from only two sources
or a combination of both. An apparent contradiction stems from either
error in translation or error in understanding. The first step to
understanding what the Word of God says is to read the words in the
Word in context. We will begin at the start of the chapter. Please
note that the words in brackets "[ ]" are the words in italics in the
King James Version of the Bible. They were placed in italics to tell
us that the words were added by the writers of the King James Version.
It was often necessary to "add" words due to the different structures
of the Greek and English languages or when the figure Ellipsis is
used. The words "they are commanded" were added by the translators
and are not needed for the sense.

1Co 14:34 KJV
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted
unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as
also saith the law.

1Co 14:34 KJV (without italics)
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted
unto them to speak; but to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

The words were not needed to translate the sense of the verse. They
were added by the translators for some other purpose. Below is the
English word for word translation of the verse from a Greek
Interlinear.

"Your women in the assemblies let them be silent for it is not
allowed to them to speak but to be in subjection according as also the
law says."

Let's examine the verse in the context.

1Co 14:1 KJV
Follow after charity, and desire spiritual [gifts], but rather that ye
may prophesy.

The "ye" refers men and women of the church who were Gentiles.

1Co 14:2 KJV
For he that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue speaketh not unto men, but
unto God: for no man understandeth [him]; howbeit in the spirit he
speaketh mysteries.

The words "he that speaketh" and "he speaketh" are translated from the
verb "laleo" which does not include the masculine pronoun. The
pronoun was supplied by the translators without placing "he" in
italics. The word "men" is "anthropos" means humans. The word "man"
is from "oudice", and means "not anyone." Therefore, a more accurate
rendering of the verse would be:

For [one] speaketh in a tongue speaketh not unto humans, but unto God;
for not anyone understandeth; howbeit in the spirit [one] speaketh
mysteries.

Here is how other versions translate the verse:


1Co 14:2 NASB
For one who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God; for
no one understands, but in his spirit he speaks mysteries.

1Co 14:2 RSV
For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no
one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit.

1Co 14:2 ISV
For the person who speaks in a tongue does not speak to people but to
God. Indeed, no one understands him, because he is speaking secrets in
the Spirit.

1Co 14:3 KJV
But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men [to] edification, and
exhortation, and comfort.

The pronoun "he" was added by the translators without italics. The
word "men" is from "anthropos" and means humans. The NASB translates
it as follows, translating "anthropos" as men to represent the human
species.

1Co 14:3 NASB
But one who prophesies speaks to men for edification and exhortation
and consolation.

1Co 14:4 KJV
He that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue edifieth himself; but he that
prophesieth edifieth the church.

The pronouns "he" should be in italics because there are no pronouns
with the Greek verbs. The NASB supplies the neuter "one" in place of
"he".

1Co 14:4 NASB
One who speaks in a tongue edifies himself; but one who prophesies
edifies the church.

1Co 14:5 KJV
I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied:
for greater [is] he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with
tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

The pronouns "he" should be in italics because there are no pronouns
with the Greek verbs. The NASB repalces "he" with "one" to show that
it is neuter.

1Co 14:5 NASB
Now I wish that you all spoke in tongues, but even more that you would
prophesy; and greater is one who prophesies than one who speaks in
tongues, unless he interprets, so that the church may receive
edifying.

1Co 14:6 KJV
Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I
profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by
knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?

1Co 14:7 KJV
And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp,
except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known
what is piped or harped?

1Co 14:8 KJV
For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself
to the battle?

1Co 14:9 KJV
So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be
understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak
into the air.

1Co 14:10 KJV
There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none
of them [is] without signification.

1Co 14:11 KJV
Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him
that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh [shall be] a barbarian
unto me.

The NASB supplies "one" in lieu of "he" to show the statement is
neuter.

1Co 14:11 NASB
If then I do not know the meaning of the language, I will be to the
one who speaks a barbarian, and the one who speaks will be a barbarian
to me.

1Co 14:12 KJV
Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual [gifts], seek
that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.

1Co 14:13 KJV
Wherefore let him that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue pray that he
may interpret.

"Him" is supplied by translator with the verb. The NASB corrects the
problem with "him" but leaves "he" which is not in he Greek text.
The problem here is two theologies. One group says that the person
that speaks in a tongue does the interpreting and the other groups
says a different person supplies the interpretation. In the NASB the
"he" is added to refer back to the one who speaks and so even though a
masculine pronoun is used it is used in a neuter sense because it
relates to the neuter "one".

1Co 14:13 NASB
Therefore let one who speaks in a tongue pray that he may interpret.

1Co 14:14 KJV
For if I pray in an [unknown] tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my
understanding is unfruitful.

1Co 14:15 KJV
What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the
understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with
the understanding also.

1Co 14:16 KJV
Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that
occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks,
seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?

1Co 14:17 KJV
For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.

1Co 14:18 KJV
I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:

1Co 14:19 KJV
Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding,
that [by my voice] I might teach others also, than ten thousand words
in an [unknown] tongue.

1Co 14:20 KJV
Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye
children, but in understanding be men.

The word "men" from "teleios" means that which has reached its end,
its full age, old people male or female. It means "in understanding
be adults."

1Co 14:21 KJV
In the law it is written, With [men of] other tongues and other lips
will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear
me, saith the Lord.

The translators added "[men of]" which should not be there because it
reads "with other tongues and other lips will I" speak. God can not
speak with tongues and lips because He doesn't have any. The point
is that God's words are released through the tongues and lips of His
children.

1Co 14:22 KJV
Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to
them that believe not: but prophesying [serveth] not for them that
believe not, but for them which believe.

1Co 14:23 KJV
If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all
speak with tongues, and there come in [those that are] unlearned, or
unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?

Who comprises the whole church? Men and women comprise the whole
church. And we are talking about what is decent and in order.

1Co 14:24 KJV
But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or
[one] unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:

1Co 14:25 KJV
And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling
down on [his] face he will worship God, and report that God is in you
of a truth.

1Co 14:26 KJV
How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath
a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an
interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

1Co 14:27 KJV
If any man speak in an [unknown] tongue, [let it be] by two, or at the
most [by] three, and [that] by course; and let one interpret.

"If any man" is "If any one" from "tis".

1Co 14:28 KJV
But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church;
and let him speak to himself, and to God.

The pronouns "him" is added to the translation of the verb. So the
text reads, But if there be no interpreter, keep silence in the
church.

1Co 14:29 KJV
Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.

Who are the prophets? Men and women with gift ministries. A prophet
is one who speaks for God. Men and woman are ordained by God to be
prophets. So why would a woman prophet whose job it is to speak for
God keep her mouth shut? Are there women prophets? Yes they are
called phrophetesses and there eight verses that speak of them Exo
15:20; Jdg 4:4; 2Ki 22:14; 2Ch 34:22; Neh 6:14; Isa 8:3; Luk 2:36; Rev
2:20 as true or false prophetesses.

1Co 14:30 KJV
If [any thing] be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first
hold his peace.

"His" is another translation of the verb.

1Co 14:31 KJV
For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be
comforted.

Verse 31 says that "all" may prophesy and includes women.

1Co 14:32 KJV
And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.

The spirits of the men and women prophets are subject to the men and
women prophets.

1Co 14:33 KJV
For God is not [the author] of confusion, but of peace, as in all
churches of the saints.

God is not only not of confusion, but of peace, in all the churches of
the saints and does not prohibit women who serve gift ministries from
speaking.

1Co 14:34 KJV
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted
unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as
also saith the law.

What word is the word "women" translated from from? The Greek word is
"gune" and means "woman, a wife". The wives of the prophets are to
keep silent. Verse 35 confirms that these were wives because it says
they are to ask their husbands at home.

1Co 14:35 KJV
And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home:
for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

1Co 14:36 KJV
What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?

1Co 14:37 KJV
If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him
acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments
of the Lord.

The words "any man" is "any one" from "tis" and are neuter

1Co 14:38 KJV
But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

The words "any man" are any one from "tis" are are neuter. The word
"him" is part of the translation of the verb.

1Co 14:39 KJV
Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with
tongues.

1Co 14:40 KJV
Let all things be done decently and in order.

You can use the same methods to follow gender in the twelfth and
thirteen chapters and get the same results.

We will now examine he verses in First Timothy. Remember, the Word of
God has to be read in context. Remember, too, that the Greek word
translated "woman" is "gune" and means woman, wife while the word that
means "female" is "thelus" as in Rom 1:26,27.

God wrote through Paul to Timothy, the man of God, a prophet and
begins the chapter exhorting people to pray followed by the statement
that He would have all men saved and come unto a knowledge of the
truth. The word "men" in vese four is translated from "anthropos", a
human without regard to gender, There are other words for "male" that
God could have used, but He chose "anthropos" which includes women.
God would have all men and women saved and come unto a knowledge of
the truth.

1Ti 2:1 KJV
I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers,
intercessions, [and] giving of thanks, be made for all men;

1Ti 2:2 KJV
For kings, and [for] all that are in authority; that we may lead a
quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.

1Ti 2:3 KJV
For this [is] good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

1Ti 2:4 KJV
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of
the truth.

1Ti 2:5 KJV
For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man
Christ Jesus;

1Ti 2:6 KJV
Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

1Ti 2:7 KJV
Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth
in Christ, [and] lie not a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and
verity.

1Ti 2:8 KJV
I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands,
without wrath and doubting.

God wills "men" to pray and here the Greek word for men is "aner", a
male, a husband.

1Ti 2:9 KJV
In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel,
with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or
pearls, or costly array;

The word "women" is from "gune" and refers to the wives of the men.
This is established by the verses below that speak of Eve, Adam's
wife, and the giving birth of children which applies to married women.

1Ti 2:10 KJV
But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.

1Ti 2:11 KJV
Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

1Ti 2:12 KJV
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the
man, but to be in silence.

1Ti 2:13 KJV
For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

Who was Eve? Eve was Adam’s wife.

1Ti 2:14 KJV

And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the
transgression.

1Ti 2:15 KJV
Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue
in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

The context and the words used in this section of scripture makes it
clear that the women spoken of are married women. To prohibit women
who have been ordained to the ministry from speaking is not the will
of God. Why would God give the ministry of reconcilation to women or
ordain them as prophets if they were not allowed to speak in the
church?


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