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Reality check
"teachrmama" wrote in
If each person takes responsibility for his/her own birth control, then there is far less chance that an unwanted pregnancy will occur. How difficult is that? It is very difficult for rational minds to keep control in the heat of the moment when young hormones are raging. Might as well try ask a starving person to walk away from a banquet table!!!!! The problem for many men is a condom makes it all pointless and clipping tubes at a young age is out of the question. Contrary to popular belief, one night stands are not the problem as one encounter does not equate to one pregnancy every time, else we would have a much higher birth rate and I would have 40 or more children. I would say the greater majority of unwanted pregnancies come from steady relationships, and I fully agree that in a perfect world that both parties should have a 50/50 share of the responsibility and direct cost of raising such a child if both agree they do not elect to put the child up for adoption. Problem is, both parties rarely agree how to handle an "unwanted" pregnancy and both are forced into an unplanned parenthood that results in a very dysfunctional relationship for the child. The government beats it's chest and then steps in a with it's bloated program and enslaves the male partner for the next 18 years. What a farce!!!!!! We live in a very hypocritical society where gambling, smoking, drinking, homosexuality, and common law marriages are all perfectly legal and morally acceptable, but you are legally immoral if you walk away from parenthood or cannot financially afford the extortionate CS rates and you are then classed in the same category as a rapist, bank robber, murderer and other felonies involving moral turpitude. Life in America isn't progressing or getting any better, our parents lived in a much more prosperous age than we do. What legacy are we going to leave for our children? |
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"DB" wrote in message t... "teachrmama" wrote in If each person takes responsibility for his/her own birth control, then there is far less chance that an unwanted pregnancy will occur. How difficult is that? It is very difficult for rational minds to keep control in the heat of the moment when young hormones are raging. Might as well try ask a starving person to walk away from a banquet table!!!!! The problem for many men is a condom makes it all pointless and clipping tubes at a young age is out of the question. Contrary to popular belief, one night stands are not the problem as one encounter does not equate to one pregnancy every time, else we would have a much higher birth rate and I would have 40 or more children. I would say the greater majority of unwanted pregnancies come from steady relationships, and I fully agree that in a perfect world that both parties should have a 50/50 share of the responsibility and direct cost of raising such a child if both agree they do not elect to put the child up for adoption. Problem is, both parties rarely agree how to handle an "unwanted" pregnancy and both are forced into an unplanned parenthood that results in a very dysfunctional relationship for the child. The government beats it's chest and then steps in a with it's bloated program and enslaves the male partner for the next 18 years. What a farce!!!!!! We live in a very hypocritical society where gambling, smoking, drinking, homosexuality, and common law marriages are all perfectly legal and morally acceptable, but you are legally immoral if you walk away from parenthood or cannot financially afford the extortionate CS rates and you are then classed in the same category as a rapist, bank robber, murderer and other felonies involving moral turpitude. Life in America isn't progressing or getting any better, our parents lived in a much more prosperous age than we do. What legacy are we going to leave for our children? I do not disagree with what you have laid out above, DB. I think, however, that "difficult in the heat of passion" should not be acceptable as an excuse. THAT is where society has gone wrong across the board! Look at the drunk driving rates--they've skyrocketed. Because "it's difficult to make rational decisions when one has been drinking--making the punishments for driving with a blood alcohol level of .08 is just nor fair." I know people who have several DUIs, and the consequences have been so minor to them, that it hasn't even slowed them down. Lives are lost or ruined, but it isn't the fault of the drinker--and drinking is "moral" in this society, after all. We have an epidemic of obesity in this country--morbid obesity is the fastest growing medical problem of the day. It's just too hard not te eat all the food that is so readily available! So the geniuses in the government are forcing the food industry to jump through hoops to make their junk food healthier. And it hasn't even begun to slow down the obesity trend. It's just too hard NOT to eat when the food is right there. Debt is swamping millions in the country. Bankruptcies are at an all time high. Credit is as easy to get as toilet paper. People spend because they want--it's just too difficult, in the heat of the passion of wanting something, to think of the money that will be owed tomorrow. Lawmakers have "solved" this problem by making it harder to get out from under debt with bankruptcy--and the indebtedness just keeps growing. We DO need a reality check. We, as a society, need to come to the point where we understand that "wanting" and "getting" are 2 different things. And we need to ditch the "heat of passion" argument, and accept the we ARE responsible for our own choices! And we need to KICK GOVERNMENT OUT of outr personal lives, and understand that if we are to retain our fast-fading freedoms, we need to be adult in accepting responsibility---not just in our demand for what we want! |
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"teachrmama" wrote in We DO need a reality check. We, as a society, need to come to the point where we understand that "wanting" and "getting" are 2 different things. And we need to ditch the "heat of passion" argument, and accept the we ARE responsible for our own choices! And we need to KICK GOVERNMENT OUT of outr personal lives, and understand that if we are to retain our fast-fading freedoms, we need to be adult in accepting responsibility---not just in our demand for what we want! Yes, when is society going to learn that you cannot legislate personal responsibility? Your points about credit is valid, many enter into agreements with ease and without fully realizing the consequences if things don't go right. We don't dream of the nightmare that happens when we get behind in payments. A $200 Guitar at $15 a month looks really simple, until you miss a payment and it goes into collections and they are looking for $600 to cover all collection fees, interest and court fees. I thought having a baby with somebody I cared about would be easy too. Never in my worst nightmare did I imagine 10 years later with $60,000 in arrearages and climbing, a convicted felon and awaiting deportation any month now. The government solution is not helping anyone! |
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"DB" wrote in message t... "teachrmama" wrote in We DO need a reality check. We, as a society, need to come to the point where we understand that "wanting" and "getting" are 2 different things. And we need to ditch the "heat of passion" argument, and accept the we ARE responsible for our own choices! And we need to KICK GOVERNMENT OUT of outr personal lives, and understand that if we are to retain our fast-fading freedoms, we need to be adult in accepting responsibility---not just in our demand for what we want! Yes, when is society going to learn that you cannot legislate personal responsibility? Your points about credit is valid, many enter into agreements with ease and without fully realizing the consequences if things don't go right. We don't dream of the nightmare that happens when we get behind in payments. A $200 Guitar at $15 a month looks really simple, until you miss a payment and it goes into collections and they are looking for $600 to cover all collection fees, interest and court fees. I thought having a baby with somebody I cared about would be easy too. Never in my worst nightmare did I imagine 10 years later with $60,000 in arrearages and climbing, a convicted felon and awaiting deportation any month now. The government solution is not helping anyone! I absolutely agree with you. And there are no easy solutions. For things to get better, it will haveto be one person at a time accepting responsibility for their own actions, until we have a grassroots movement stron enough to overthrow the dictators that our elected officials and their cronies have become! |
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"teachrmama" wrote in The government solution is not helping anyone! I absolutely agree with you. And there are no easy solutions. For things to get better, it will haveto be one person at a time accepting responsibility for their own actions, until we have a grassroots movement stron enough to overthrow the dictators that our elected officials and their cronies have become! It's too late for me, I'm just another casualty of this insane thinking, but how many more young lives will this system destroy before they wake up and realize the destruction that is going on. Government was never meant to have this kind of power over it's citizens, but they seem to think that they are not representing us anymore and running the country as they see fit. |
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"DB" wrote in message t... "teachrmama" wrote in The government solution is not helping anyone! I absolutely agree with you. And there are no easy solutions. For things to get better, it will haveto be one person at a time accepting responsibility for their own actions, until we have a grassroots movement stron enough to overthrow the dictators that our elected officials and their cronies have become! It's too late for me, I'm just another casualty of this insane thinking, but how many more young lives will this system destroy before they wake up and realize the destruction that is going on. Government was never meant to have this kind of power over it's citizens, but they seem to think that they are not representing us anymore and running the country as they see fit. No kidding. We have become what our founding fathers would never have tolerated. But I do think there is still hope, if we do not let our voices be silenced. |
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"teachrmama" wrote in message ... "DB" wrote in message t... "teachrmama" wrote in The government solution is not helping anyone! I absolutely agree with you. And there are no easy solutions. For things to get better, it will haveto be one person at a time accepting responsibility for their own actions, until we have a grassroots movement stron enough to overthrow the dictators that our elected officials and their cronies have become! It's too late for me, I'm just another casualty of this insane thinking, but how many more young lives will this system destroy before they wake up and realize the destruction that is going on. Government was never meant to have this kind of power over it's citizens, but they seem to think that they are not representing us anymore and running the country as they see fit. No kidding. We have become what our founding fathers would never have tolerated. But I do think there is still hope, if we do not let our voices be silenced. Only problem is the legal system that we're supposed to use to defend our rights is the very system that is attacking us! The only way that I can see to reclaim our liberty, as Jefferson said, is by bloodshed. |
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"Chris" wrote in Only problem is the legal system that we're supposed to use to defend our rights is the very system that is attacking us! The only way that I can see to reclaim our liberty, as Jefferson said, is by bloodshed. I would rather die fighting as a free man than continue this miserable existence as a meaningless servant to a government system that only knows how to create human misery. This is not about looking after the children, it's about money and control. Attitudes never change until people start dieing, only then will they care enough to listen! |
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"teachrmama" wrote in But I do think there is still hope, if we do not let our voices be silenced. The first thing they tell you when arrested, you have the right to remain silent! As long as the majority keep silent, they can do as they please. |
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"DB" wrote in message t... "teachrmama" wrote in But I do think there is still hope, if we do not let our voices be silenced. The first thing they tell you when arrested, you have the right to remain silent! As long as the majority keep silent, they can do as they please. Unfortunately, that is only too true. |
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