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"Mark Probert wrote: JanD wrote: vernon wrote: Ilena wrote in message ... P.net!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "VERACARE" Why has the FDA concealed from the public 51 deaths from ADHD drugs until now? 51 out of around 100,000 per year of miss-prescribed and errors is quite insignificant. Instead of cutting and pasting, please attempt to address my comments: You are mistaken in your interpretation of the numbers. The NY Times reported that this was a study of five years of records, 1999 through 2003. The number of deaths is also incorrect. So you say. I take YOUR word for nothing. "Twenty-five people died suddenly and 54 others suffered serious unexplained heart problems while taking stimulant drugs like Ritalin from 1999 through 2003, according to reports sent to federal drug regulators." Now, let's take a minute and analyze this. Twenty-five people died over the course of 5 years. That averages to 5 deaths per year. The NYTimes then reports that "...[a]bout 29 million prescriptions were written in 2004 for Ritalin, Adderall and similar drugs to treat attention deficit disorder and hyperactivity, most of them for children." Assume that the average prescription rate is *only* 25,000,000 per year. Since these medications are Schedule II, which means that only a one months supply can be written at a time, approximately 2,083,333 people per month are, on average, being prescribed these medications. Assume that all 5 deaths happened in the same month, and you wind up with a rate of 2.4000003840000614400098304015729e-6. Compare that with the odds of being struck by lightening: No, I don't think so. This is a diversion, trying to justify the deaths. http://www.lightningsafety.noaa.gov/medical.htm My younger son attends a special school for physically handicapped students. In the past three years, two classmates have died for no apparent reason, the last being in December 2005. One of the kids in my neighborhood died from running the bases. His father is a DDS and was at the school at the time. He is trained in using a defibrillator and could not resuscitate his son. I would classify this report and just this side of relatively meaningless. |
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"Twittering One" wrote in message oups.com... Without checking the data, I suggest that Accutane might be just as dangerous. We aren't talking about *Accutane* |
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If conventional doctors had any moral integrity, they would have at
least given all their ADHD patients a choice of either medication, or help with finding their Hidden Food Sensitivities. Instead, they go straight for the drugs. They don't tell their patients anything about the Hidden Food Sensitivity controversy. What greedy wimps. They sold their soul to the pharmaceutical companies. Brad_Chad |
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"JanD" wrote in message news:riWGf.788828$xm3.28346@attbi_s21... This is a diversion, trying to justify the deaths. You really do have a problem with reality. Justify??? |
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"JanD" wrote in message news:bnWGf.788863$xm3.769561@attbi_s21... "Twittering One" wrote in message oups.com... Without checking the data, I suggest that Accutane might be just as dangerous. We aren't talking about *Accutane* YOU are not talking about anything relevant. |
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"Brad_Chad" wrote in message oups.com... If conventional doctors had any moral integrity, they would have at least given all their ADHD patients a choice of either medication, or help with finding their Hidden Food Sensitivities. Instead, they go straight for the drugs. They don't tell their patients anything about the Hidden Food Sensitivity controversy. What greedy wimps. They sold their soul to the pharmaceutical companies. Brad_Chad Pharms had nothing to do with it. It's crass laziness along with putting up with idiotic mommies. |
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In article , Mark Probert writes:
"Twenty-five people died suddenly and 54 others suffered serious unexplained heart problems while taking stimulant drugs like Ritalin from 1999 through 2003, according to reports sent to federal drug regulators." Now, let's take a minute and analyze this. Twenty-five people died over the course of 5 years. That averages to 5 deaths per year. The NYTimes then reports that "...[a]bout 29 million prescriptions were written in 2004 for Ritalin, Adderall and similar drugs to treat attention deficit disorder and hyperactivity, most of them for children." How many people died over the same period of Tylenol (or the many generic equivalents) overdose? How many more suffered life threatening complications, or are now on a wait list for an organ transplant from Tylenol. And why aren't these same people SCREAMING to pull Tylenol off the market. -- Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L To reply, there's no internet on Mars (yet)! Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/Document/MayJun00.pdf www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org You [should] not examine legislation in the light of the benefits it will convey if properly administered, but in the light of the wrongs it would do and the harm it would cause if improperly administered -- Lyndon Johnson, former President of the U.S. |
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51 deaths ADHD drugs ...
JanD wrote:
"vernon" wrote in message g.com... Ilena wrote in message ... P.net!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "VERACARE" Why has the FDA concealed from the public 51 deaths from ADHD drugs until now? 51 out of around 100,000 per year of miss-prescribed and errors is quite insignificant. EVERY death is significant. Like the girl who was killed by her parents denial of the existence of AIDS? |
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JanD wrote:
"Mark Probert wrote: JanD wrote: vernon wrote: Ilena wrote in message ... P.net!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "VERACARE" Why has the FDA concealed from the public 51 deaths from ADHD drugs until now? 51 out of around 100,000 per year of miss-prescribed and errors is quite insignificant. Instead of cutting and pasting, please attempt to address my comments: You are mistaken in your interpretation of the numbers. The NY Times reported that this was a study of five years of records, 1999 through 2003. The number of deaths is also incorrect. So you say. I take YOUR word for nothing. Who said to take my word, although you would be wise to do so. I posted, right below your asinine remark, a quote from a NYTimes article to support my statement. IOW, I posted facts. "Twenty-five people died suddenly and 54 others suffered serious unexplained heart problems while taking stimulant drugs like Ritalin from 1999 through 2003, according to reports sent to federal drug regulators." Now, let's take a minute and analyze this. Twenty-five people died over the course of 5 years. That averages to 5 deaths per year. The NYTimes then reports that "...[a]bout 29 million prescriptions were written in 2004 for Ritalin, Adderall and similar drugs to treat attention deficit disorder and hyperactivity, most of them for children." Assume that the average prescription rate is *only* 25,000,000 per year. Since these medications are Schedule II, which means that only a one months supply can be written at a time, approximately 2,083,333 people per month are, on average, being prescribed these medications. Assume that all 5 deaths happened in the same month, and you wind up with a rate of 2.4000003840000614400098304015729e-6. Compare that with the odds of being struck by lightening: No, I don't think so. Yes, you do not think. However, in a risk assessment, comparison is a valuable tool to see just what degree of risk is involved. This is a diversion, trying to justify the deaths. Wrong. You raise a red herring. I am NOT trying to justify the deaths simply because no one has said that there is a direct connection between taking the medications and the deaths. What is reported is something that someone believes is of statistical significance. My analysis attempts to put that claim into a statistical perspective so that intelligent people can make their own risk assessment. http://www.lightningsafety.noaa.gov/medical.htm My younger son attends a special school for physically handicapped students. In the past three years, two classmates have died for no apparent reason, the last being in December 2005. One of the kids in my neighborhood died from running the bases. His father is a DDS and was at the school at the time. He is trained in using a defibrillator and could not resuscitate his son. I would classify this report and just this side of relatively meaningless. Continuing... For this statistical point to have significant clinical meaning, a study must show that taking these medications actually increases the risk of death. The point I made is that there are many "healthy" children who die for no apparent reason, and to draw any conclusion from this current report, other than more study and research is needed, is absurd. Of course, Jan, I do not expect you to understand this as your agenda of hating children, wanting them to have wasted lives, wanting to see sick and dead children due to lack of vaccination, etc. will stand in your way of reason. |
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vernon wrote:
"JanD" wrote in message news:riWGf.788828$xm3.28346@attbi_s21... This is a diversion, trying to justify the deaths. You really do have a problem with reality. Justify??? Jan's problem is that she is semi-illiterate and virtually totally innumerate. She completely lacks any logical reasoning skills, and her communication capability has not developed beyond cut'n'paste or one sentence responses. She ran a day care center for 38 years, had Hulda Clark's nefarious offspring in her midsts, and has the morality of a Mengele. |
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