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Accused Teen Said to Keep Enemies List
If someone takes this angle about this they are ignorant. Columbine
kids had both parents, what was the excuse there? I don't believe this has anything to do with psychosis or even systematic psychological abuse by classmates, which can cause mental problems and pent up anger. We just don't know what motivates certain kids to be pushed over the edge from being picked on, while other kids' internalize it and grow up with low self-esteem and complexes. Who knows? But it has nothing to do with single parent homes, especially single parent homes where the father is the single parent. On Tue, 8 Jul 2003 17:54:21 -0500, "Moon Shyne" wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/nati...Teen-Plot.html The father, Ron Lovett, has raised his sons alone since his wife died nearly 10 years ago |
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Accused Teen Said to Keep Enemies List
"dfsdfasdf" wrote in message ... If someone takes this angle about this they are ignorant. Columbine kids had both parents, what was the excuse there? I don't believe this has anything to do with psychosis or even systematic psychological abuse by classmates, which can cause mental problems and pent up anger. We just don't know what motivates certain kids to be pushed over the edge from being picked on, while other kids' internalize it and grow up with low self-esteem and complexes. Who knows? But it has nothing to do with single parent homes, especially single parent homes where the father is the single parent. Then perhaps we'll quit hearing so much about how single mothers 'ruin' children. Those of us mothers raising good, considerate children would probably appreciate it. On Tue, 8 Jul 2003 17:54:21 -0500, "Moon Shyne" wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/nati...Teen-Plot.html The father, Ron Lovett, has raised his sons alone since his wife died nearly 10 years ago |
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Accused Teen Said to Keep Enemies List
I believe one or more of columbine kids had stepparents.
"dfsdfasdf" wrote in message ... If someone takes this angle about this they are ignorant. Columbine kids had both parents, what was the excuse there? I don't believe this has anything to do with psychosis or even systematic psychological abuse by classmates, which can cause mental problems and pent up anger. We just don't know what motivates certain kids to be pushed over the edge from being picked on, while other kids' internalize it and grow up with low self-esteem and complexes. Who knows? But it has nothing to do with single parent homes, especially single parent homes where the father is the single parent. On Tue, 8 Jul 2003 17:54:21 -0500, "Moon Shyne" wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/nati...Teen-Plot.html The father, Ron Lovett, has raised his sons alone since his wife died nearly 10 years ago |
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I don't know how you can ignore urban street gangs where the violence and
death sticks out like a sore thumb. In most all those situations the fathers have been removed. These are well known facts. "dfsdfasdf" wrote in message ... If someone takes this angle about this they are ignorant. Columbine kids had both parents, what was the excuse there? I don't believe this has anything to do with psychosis or even systematic psychological abuse by classmates, which can cause mental problems and pent up anger. We just don't know what motivates certain kids to be pushed over the edge from being picked on, while other kids' internalize it and grow up with low self-esteem and complexes. Who knows? But it has nothing to do with single parent homes, especially single parent homes where the father is the single parent. On Tue, 8 Jul 2003 17:54:21 -0500, "Moon Shyne" wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/nati...Teen-Plot.html The father, Ron Lovett, has raised his sons alone since his wife died nearly 10 years ago |
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Accused Teen Said to Keep Enemies List
"dfsdfasdf" wrote in message ... If someone takes this angle about this they are ignorant. Columbine kids had both parents, what was the excuse there? I don't believe this has anything to do with psychosis or even systematic psychological abuse by classmates, which can cause mental problems and pent up anger. We just don't know what motivates certain kids to be pushed over the edge from being picked on, while other kids' internalize it and grow up with low self-esteem and complexes. Who knows? But it has nothing to do with single parent homes, especially single parent homes where the father is the single parent. If "We just don't know..." how can you be so sure "...it has nothing to do with..."? Phil #3 On Tue, 8 Jul 2003 17:54:21 -0500, "Moon Shyne" wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/nati...Teen-Plot.html The father, Ron Lovett, has raised his sons alone since his wife died nearly 10 years ago |
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Accused Teen Said to Keep Enemies List
On Tue, 8 Jul 2003 18:38:54 -0700, "Phil #3" wrote: "dfsdfasdf" wrote in message .. . If someone takes this angle about this they are ignorant. Columbine kids had both parents, what was the excuse there? I don't believe this has anything to do with psychosis or even systematic psychological abuse by classmates, which can cause mental problems and pent up anger. We just don't know what motivates certain kids to be pushed over the edge from being picked on, while other kids' internalize it and grow up with low self-esteem and complexes. Who knows? But it has nothing to do with single parent homes, especially single parent homes where the father is the single parent. If "We just don't know..." how can you be so sure "...it has nothing to do with..."? Phil #3 Yes, good point, but we know that these crimes are comitted by kids from double parent homes and single mother homes, also. So the point that is has nothing to do with coming from a single father home, yes, of course it could, but it is a high probability that it has nothing to do with that fact. On Tue, 8 Jul 2003 17:54:21 -0500, "Moon Shyne" wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/nati...Teen-Plot.html The father, Ron Lovett, has raised his sons alone since his wife died nearly 10 years ago |
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"Moon Shyne" wrote
The father, Ron Lovett, has raised his sons alone since his wife died nearly 10 years ago What's your point? |
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Accused Teen Said to Keep Enemies List
Columbine was an anomaly. The problem is kids who have failed to develop a
sense of worth and a sense of responsibility, kids who have failed to learn that actions have consequences, kids that have their values all screwed up. Columbine was ONE example of an "intact" family which failed to instill these important lessons, possilbly in spite of all good intentions. This story is ALSO an anomaly - it is ONE example of a single father who failed in the same way. But our prisons and juvenile detention centers are FULL of the status quo - (mostly) men from single-mother-headed "families" where that same teaching failed. Kids from an intact family CAN "go bad". Kids from a single father home CAN "go bad". But the statistics show that the odds of a kid going bad are MUCH higher for kids from single mother homes. Mel Gamble If someone takes this angle about this they are ignorant. Columbine kids had both parents, what was the excuse there? I don't believe this has anything to do with psychosis or even systematic psychological abuse by classmates, which can cause mental problems and pent up anger. We just don't know what motivates certain kids to be pushed over the edge from being picked on, while other kids' internalize it and grow up with low self-esteem and complexes. Who knows? But it has nothing to do with single parent homes, especially single parent homes where the father is the single parent. On Tue, 8 Jul 2003 17:54:21 -0500, "Moon Shyne" wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/nati...Teen-Plot.html The father, Ron Lovett, has raised his sons alone since his wife died nearly 10 years ago |
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You give nasty WAY too much credit, Chris.
Mel Gamble "Moon Shyne" wrote in message ... "dfsdfasdf" wrote in message ... If someone takes this angle about this they are ignorant. Columbine kids had both parents, what was the excuse there? I don't believe this has anything to do with psychosis or even systematic psychological abuse by classmates, which can cause mental problems and pent up anger. We just don't know what motivates certain kids to be pushed over the edge from being picked on, while other kids' internalize it and grow up with low self-esteem and complexes. Who knows? But it has nothing to do with single parent homes, especially single parent homes where the father is the single parent. Then perhaps we'll quit hearing so much about how single mothers 'ruin' children. The statistics speak for themselves. Those of us mothers raising good, considerate children would probably appreciate it. There's a few of you. On Tue, 8 Jul 2003 17:54:21 -0500, "Moon Shyne" wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/nati...Teen-Plot.html The father, Ron Lovett, has raised his sons alone since his wife died nearly 10 years ago |
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Yes...
On Tue, 8 Jul 2003 18:38:54 -0700, "Phil #3" wrote: "dfsdfasdf" wrote in message . .. If someone takes this angle about this they are ignorant. Columbine kids had both parents, what was the excuse there? I don't believe this has anything to do with psychosis or even systematic psychological abuse by classmates, which can cause mental problems and pent up anger. We just don't know what motivates certain kids to be pushed over the edge from being picked on, while other kids' internalize it and grow up with low self-esteem and complexes. Who knows? But it has nothing to do with single parent homes, especially single parent homes where the father is the single parent. If "We just don't know..." how can you be so sure "...it has nothing to do with..."? Phil #3 Yes, good point, but we know that these crimes are comitted by kids from double parent homes But the odds are MUCH lower that kids from "double parent" homes will do such things... and single mother homes, also. Not just "also". Kids from single mother homes are much more likely to be involved in such undertakings. So the point that is has nothing to do with coming from a single father home, yes, of course it could, but it is a high probability that it has nothing to do with that fact. You mistakenly get this fact straight. The "probability" that a kid from a single father home - or a "double parent" home - will be involved in one of these crimes is much lower than the probability that a kid from a single-mother home will be involved. So the fact that this particular kid is from a single father home is just an anomaly among the statistics. Mel Gamble On Tue, 8 Jul 2003 17:54:21 -0500, "Moon Shyne" wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/nati...Teen-Plot.html The father, Ron Lovett, has raised his sons alone since his wife died nearly 10 years ago |
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