how long does it take for your milk to dry up?

"NL" wrote in message
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Sue wrote:
"NL" wrote in message:

Not necessariely, but if you really can't be bothered to take care of
your
child, please make sure someone else does. And that's the problem I'm
having with this whole discussion.


I am sure Betsy didn't leave her child alone. There are other people
capable

Here's a post from her: (msg id: )
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I have a baby monitor that I set in front of my elliptical so I can see if
she is crying (I have my music headphones on so can't hear it). But I
find that almost every single time she cries when I am trying to work out.
I never go for more than 30 minutes, so I wonder if I should just keep
doing my workout, or what?
**

Yeah, I'm sure you're right and she didn't leave the baby alone...

Oh, this is great. I'm sure that you want to make me look as bad as you
possibly can. I'm soooo sorry I didn't elaborate. I used the baby monitor
while working out, and found that I wasn't able to get the workout in that I
wanted, a 5 minute warmup 30 minutes at target heart rate and then a 5
minute cooldown. I always responded to my baby's cry when I was working
out, she just kept interrupting me. I was only ASKING if it was ok for them
to cry it out for a bit, or if that was not a good thing. I never actually
let her CIO. SO......THERE

"NL" wrote in message
...
Sue wrote:
"NL" wrote in message:

Not necessariely, but if you really can't be bothered to take care of
your
child, please make sure someone else does. And that's the problem I'm
having with this whole discussion.


I am sure Betsy didn't leave her child alone. There are other people
capable

Here's a post from her: (msg id: )
**
I have a baby monitor that I set in front of my elliptical so I can see if
she is crying (I have my music headphones on so can't hear it). But I
find that almost every single time she cries when I am trying to work out.
I never go for more than 30 minutes, so I wonder if I should just keep
doing my workout, or what?
**

Yeah, I'm sure you're right and she didn't leave the baby alone...

of taking care of a baby besides mom. How about dad? How about grandma,
aunts, a good friend? Moms are not the only ones capable of providing
love
and attention for a child. Children benefit greatly from having other
people
to love and nuture them. Mom doesn't have to be the one to do everything
and
I don't think she should. Martrydom comes to mind here.

Well, maybe that's because I'm a single mum, I don't know, Dad's aren't
exactly a feature in this family. I don't think I'm a martyr just because
I chose to raise my child alone.
It's not about martyrdom, but if you're the one that chose to stay at home
with the kids then that's your new job, and if you can't handle the fact
that you can't work out for 30 minutes uninterrupted you maybe made the
wrong career choice.

Is oregonchick a phantastic mother? No. She's not.


That's hitting below the belt. You don't know what kind of mom she is.
All
you know is that she wanted some time to herself. Are you a better mother
because you never leave your kid. No you're not.

I didn't say I was. I said she's not a phantastic mother. she might be
pretty good, all things considered, she's probably better than my
birthmother, but she is not phantastic, and that is not hitting below the
belt, that's just stating a fact.

Who ****ing cares what your opinion is. You were left by your birth mother
and you will forever have a chip on your shoulder. That doesn't mean I'm
not a FANTASTIC mother. There are different ways of parenting, and just
because you think you have it all figured out doesn't mean you are right.
Who are you to say who is a good mother, anyways? What makes you the
authority on parenting? Being an orphan certainly doesnt.

She's neglecting the needs of her child.

**** off lady. You have no clue what goes on in this house.


Yeah? So it's ok for her to let a 6 week old baby cry for 30 minutes while
she works out... Ok.

Listen dumbass. I never have let my baby cry for 30 mintes, or even 10
minutes. Rarely even 5 minutes. You spend too much time picking apart
strangers on usenet. Maybe you should get a life.

"NL" wrote in message
...
Sue wrote:
She just got through saying, she didn't leave her to cry, but wondered if
she could. Read her other post.

Well, maybe that's because I'm a single mum, I don't know, Dad's aren't
exactly a feature in this family.


You have a different situation than most though. Do you not work though?
How
do you provide money for your family?

I work from home. Sam is 5 y.o. and goes to Kindergarten every morning
from 8-12:30.

It's not about martyrdom, but if you're the one that chose to stay at
home with the kids then that's your new job, and if you can't handle the
fact that you can't work out for 30 minutes uninterrupted you maybe made
the wrong career choice.


If something is important to me, I will find an acceptable way to do it.
There is nothing wrong with that. It doesn't sound to me that Betsy ended
up
leaving the baby to cry so she could work out.


No.
After you leave your older child with the grandparents "for the weekend"
and forget to pick up that child for one week people do tend to start
worrying about what's going on with the other children..


You're right. That's too bad. There are some people who should never be
parents; however, it's not up to a bunch of people on a newsgroup, who
don't
have all the information to decide which ones shouldn't based on the fact
that a new mom wants to do something on her own for a bit.

I didn't say we're the ones who should decide, but I cringe when people
say "You're doing fine. Keep doing it." when there's clearly something
going wrong. And a mother posting on usenet about wether or not it's ok to
just let the baby cry, and "how fast does my milk dry up because I'm fed
up with this" doesn't sound like all is going great and she's coping well,
to me.

Well, thanks to the people who gave actual HELPFUL advice and support, I am
still pumping, and my daughter is still getting breastmilk every day. And I
survived PPD, and am doing 100% better than I was. People like you, who
just reek of negativity, you are really not doing anyone any good. Are you
this negative around your kids? I'm sorry you have some baggage, some
negative things in your life and past, but don't we all?

"Workingmom" wrote in message
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oregonchick skrev:
You know, I wasn't serious when I posted that. I'm just sick of the
people who act as though they know the RIGHT way, the ONLY way, and
everyone else is wrong. I am not a natural mother. This has been very
difficult for me to adjust to. I've had alot of depression since having
the baby. I had decided long ago that I wasn't having any more children,
until I met and married my husband. And changing my entire life again
for a newborn has taken a real toll. But...I am doing my best. Even
though I don't like it, I have put my daughter's needs first. And I am
still pumping away, morning noon and night to make sure she has the best
possible nutrition. But I have been able to somewhat tailor the pumping
schedule around my "life". Yes, I have chosen to continue to have my own
life. I am selfish. It is the only thing that keeps me sane, in the
middle of the night when I rock her and she just won't sleep, and all
those other times I ask myself, "why did I do this again?"

I felt like that with DS (#2). I regretted having him. Now he's 8 and is
such a pleasure.

Hang in - it won't continue. I did't have time for myself then, but I do
now, and maybe I enjoy it even more because I remember the times when I
couldn't.

You will reach a point where you will enjoy also this kid. Have you sought
help for you depression? Post partum depression is very common and you
wouldn't be the first or the last to suffer from it.

Tine, Denmark

Thanks for your support. We've arrived at the 2 month mark, and what a
world of difference!

oregonchick skrev:
Hang in - it won't continue. I did't have time for myself then, but I do
now, and maybe I enjoy it even more because I remember the times when I
couldn't.

You will reach a point where you will enjoy also this kid. Have you sought
help for you depression? Post partum depression is very common and you
wouldn't be the first or the last to suffer from it.

Tine, Denmark


Thanks for your support. We've arrived at the 2 month mark, and what a
world of difference!

I had a major encouragement when my first turned 2 months. She actually
started smiling to me also - not just to all the others.

I became a person - not just the stuff hanging at the other end of the
breasts.

We could interact. I didn't feel like a mother before that. And that was
without depression - just a feeling of 'does it continue like this'?

This evening the above mentioned kid and I went for a walk in the snow
talking about her career possibilities, and about the pros and cons
about being an only child as opposed to having siblings, and about a lot
of other important stuff.

Then you really feel that all the wakefull nights, all the nights spent
sleeping sitting up with a baby in your lap having ear infections, all
the tears, all the worries of the last 13 years have been worth every
moment.

Tine, Denmark

"I remember the first day with DD that was actually good. I think she
was
about 2 months old. Coincidentally, it was Mothers' Day. It only got
better from there."

For us, it was 5 months. Up until then, life was pretty hellish. We
*loved* Micah, of course, but he wasn't really *likeable* (just cute,
fortunately for him!). And good on you for pumping, Betsy.

Em
mama to Micah, 11/14/04

oregonchick wrote:

Who ****ing cares what your opinion is.

Thank you very much. I appreciate that kind of language very much and
hope you use it around your children as much as you possibly can.

Listen dumbass. I never have let my baby cry for 30 mintes, or even 10
minutes. Rarely even 5 minutes. You spend too much time picking apart
strangers on usenet. Maybe you should get a life.

Yeah, you're a really phantastic person, I hope there's more like you
around.

cu
nicole

oregonchick wrote:

Oh, this is great. I'm sure that you want to make me look as bad as you
possibly can. I'm soooo sorry I didn't elaborate.

snip

SO......THERE

I'm glad you're such a mature person, and able to deal with criticism.

cu
nicole

"PattyMomVA" wrote in message
I remember the first day with DD that was actually good. I think she was
about 2 months old. Coincidentally, it was Mothers' Day. It only got
better from there.

With my first, she was very colicky and it was about at the 3-month mark was
suddenly very happy. It was all of a sudden someone had turned a switch with
her. After going through colic with her and her crying every night for four
hours, I tell you I had some regrets and probably could have thrown her out
the window, but after she started smiling and stopped crying, it got so much
better.
--
Sue (mom to three girls)

"emilymr" wrote in message
oups.com...

For us, it was 5 months. Up until then, life was pretty hellish. We
*loved* Micah, of course, but he wasn't really *likeable* (just cute,
fortunately for him!). And good on you for pumping, Betsy.

My first was a colicky gal. I literally was the only one who could hold her
for the first six months. I used to say (and I've actually said it to all
of them at rough times-lol), "It's a good thing you're so cute!!" I'd do
silly talk about how if she wasn't so cute she'd be a goner.
--
Joy

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