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Trying to "reason" with a child or spanking?



 
 
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Old February 12th 06, 03:00 AM posted to alt.parenting.spanking
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Default Parents' Views on Violence Guide Child's Behavior


In other words, you must believe in the LIES spewed by Kane. ;-)

Doan

On 11 Feb 2006, 0:- wrote:

To the reader:

If you have made it a practice to read research reports you know that
each and every one, that has any peer credibility, will include a
paragraph or two with caveats as to the limitations of the research (no
study can explore all the possibilities, realistically) and suggestions
for further research by others, or sometimes even plans to expand their
own into the areas listed as limitations.

Don't let yourself be fooled by harassing posters who think that the
normal limitations of all research negate the validity of the one you
are viewing.

It's just childish harassment, nothing more.

No argument offered in rebutal of the study. No other studies offered.

In other words, no debate or argument, just harassment.

Researchers ignore these, rightly so, but do respond to thoughtful and
reasonable criticism, as we have seen in the past in this ng, from
citation.

My advice if you wish to really get into this issue without losing your
way?

Ignore those that harass and "debate" on fine points of what some
poster might have or might not have meant.

And in so doing, avoiding the subject under discussion.

The study cited is what it is. No attempt to make it prove or support
something not in evidence in the study itself was intended. Attempts to
make it look that way by copy and pasting sections of the report sans
context are nothing more than harassment, not worthy of further comment
than to point out the low moral and ethical standards of those that do
such things.

Have a great day.

Kane



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Old February 12th 06, 03:56 AM posted to alt.parenting.spanking
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Old February 15th 06, 09:00 PM posted to alt.parenting.spanking
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Default Trying to "reason" with a child or spanking?

Almost 40 percent of parents in the study population said they would
tell their child it is OK to hit if another person pushes or hits him
or her


Absolutely. If the kid doesn't hit back, the bullies will attack him
again. I would spank the child for attacking nother person unprovoked,
or after any sort of provocation that didn't involve being hit. But you
hit my kid and he'll hit you back, and rightly so.

Jennie

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Old February 15th 06, 09:43 PM posted to alt.parenting.spanking
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Default Trying to "reason" with a child or spanking?

Jennie wrote:
Almost 40 percent of parents in the study population said they would
tell their child it is OK to hit if another person pushes or hits him
or her



Absolutely. If the kid doesn't hit back, the bullies will attack him
again. I would spank the child for attacking nother person unprovoked,
or after any sort of provocation that didn't involve being hit. But you
hit my kid and he'll hit you back, and rightly so.

Jennie


You've no idea what you are promoting, do you?

And no, the bullies do not hit back if the child uses those means
available to civilized people.

Now if the have no such means, and they are in danger, well sure.

But a child can always go, or should be able to if their parent isn't a
coward, and tell them what happened and ask for help.

Most parents of bullies are not in support of them being bullies.

Time and again parents have handled such things between them and the
bully learned not to do that, and the bullied child learned the correct
way to handle violence BEFORE it gets out of hand.

Civilized people do the later. Savages, and the world is full of them,
just escalate.

By the way, I'm a gun owner. And I carry. The last thing I ever want to
do is pull it on a "bully." Only if I have NO OTHER way out, would I do
that.

I've had a number of encounters with "bullies" of various kinds, from on
the street to driving. It would never occur to me to draw my gun. Now if
they took actions that endangered my life? Sure.

But in any of those instances I've encountered that started to escalate,
except for two, I simply called the police dispatch on my cell phone. I
sought the help the civilized have put in place to keep from escalating
to murderous violence.

The two other incidences? They had progressed well into it being far too
late to call the police, and the murderous intent of the aggressors was
plainly spoken and being acted upon.

Did I shot them?

Did not have to. Again, no violence took place. Just the presence of my
gun was enough to change their minds.

I walk quietly, as Teddy suggested. I do not provoke. I avoid
escalation. I use all the means possible to do this without violence,
and even then, I use the potential to return violence with greater or
equal violence only if the perp does not stop on my command.

You are urging a child to hit at the first hit, are you not?

A first hit from a child, even against another child, is rarely life
threatening. If the bully is not satisfied with the child walking away
and stops him or her, then sure, go for the gold. That's escalation by
the bully.

But do NOT presume it. And please, don't teach your child to not hit by
hitting him.

You do get the incongruence, so you not?

Bullies are in fact spanked children. Unspanked children do not become
bullies.

Kane

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Isn't it interesting that the more honest an author appears to be,
the more like ourselves we think him. And the less so, how very
alien he doth appear? Kane 2006
 




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