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Stephanie schrieb:
NL wrote: snip Ok, being queen of kitchen gadgets: there are apple corers that slice the apples into wedges at the same time, you just push down, takes 5 seconds. Grapes, peaches can be served washed, bananas don't even need to be washed. OMG! Apples. We have this thingy that peels and cores in one spiral motion! Love it. See, now I have gadget envy. And I'm allergic to apples, so it's not like I'm ever using the thing I have! |
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Rosalie B. schrieb:
NL wrote: snip Haven't you ever had bacon, egg and cheese biscuit sandwiches? Very very bad for you, but a sandwich with lots of protein and lots of calories. No, I haven't, but I can imagine it and I am growing very hungry just by following this thread.... Sam has oatmeal with cocoa and a glass of diluted juice, I have muesli that I nuke because I like it mushy and also a glass of diluted juice... Sometimes he wants cereal like Cocoapuffs which I fork out on occasion. But he takes a sandwich to school. On special request and if it's not too warm outside I pack oatmeal (dry with cocoa mixed in) and a small bottle of milk. My mother always taught me that chocolate milk was evil, and I should not drink it. Also, in the days when I was in school, regular milk was whole milk, and chocolate milk was skim milk which was considered not as good for children. We do whole milk only in my family. I don't like drinking white water ;-) (seriously, no-fat milk?? Why? totally rhetorical question) I don't see anything wrong with occasionally eating fastfood/junkfood, but I think our kids get enough junk at home as it is. It isn't our business what they get at home. We can't correct the nutritional blind spots of the parents. No we can't, but we don't have to make it worse. cu nicole |
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In article , NL says...
Banty schrieb: In article , NL says... Honestly, I think I'm very biased being german. I think growing up without peanutbutter means I consider it junk because I only ever ate it in moderation anyway... It's hard to explain, but I still think it's not the healthiest/best thing to eat. A cheese sandwich would be better. Cheese sandwiches are more rare here. And constipating. I _knew_ my lactose intolerance would be a good thing in some instances ;-) I love cheese anyway; always did; always will. In college when I was in an apartment and cooking for myself and really streeetttcching the budget, I cooked a lot with cheese for protein. But I ran into some limits there ;-) snip Well, you can cook cheap and healthy at the same time. It means less meat and more vegetables, but I'm on a super tight budget and cooking from scratch is still cheaper than buying frozen and reheating. I know, cooks earn more than can openers, but I still don't think it'll make a huge difference. Its cheaper for you (as it would be in most households) but only because you're not really costing in your own labor, and the rent and maintenance of your preparation space. I know what you mean, but how do the universities manage it? I payed (back in the day) about 2DM (roughly 1¤) for a meal, that's *cough*years ago, so let's just say it would be about $3. For a meal that fed an adult and generated leftovers! I know it was subsidized, I think they got half the meal prices from... I'm actually not sure if it was the state the city or some sub organization on campus (Studentenwerk, they own some/most of the dorms and either run or subcontract out the cafeterias. I'm not sure if part of their profits from other areas went into the cafeteria or if they got money from the state. Sorry.) Anyway, let's say an adult meal costs $5 and a kid sized meal would be about half the size but since you still spend the time putting it on plates, etc. I'd say $3 per cooked hot meal would be a good total price, then we need to figure out how much gets subsidized, but I don't think we'll be able to feed the kids on less than $2 per cooked hot meal, does that sound right? The universities manage it by charging more, by having private income from students, not having that budget under yearly scrutiny of largely uninformed payers. If you got *subsidies* - well, there you go! C'mon! It's kind like the homeschooling discussion. If you forget the overhead and labor (which one only can if one would be doing it anyway and the space is there anyway), it "looks" cheap. But its not in a way any business or overall social model would need to look at it. Ok, I kind of don't get what you're trying to say here, but that's probably because I have absolutely minimal info about how homeschooling works. I was saying that to compare pre-prepared foods and cooking from scratch, from a household's experience (with the labor assumed and the kitchen right there in the house) is quite different from the same comparison where people have to be hired to do it, more refrigerators would have to run (especially if we're to pleas the anti-preservative crowd!), more space for preparation. Folks talk glibly about how wonderful it would be to have salad bars, sliced fresh vegetables. But see I worked in kitchens and cafeterias. The salad-fixing starts early in the morning! It's very labor-intensive. So what you get in a school cafeteria, at best, is a broken off piece of iceberg lettuce with some stuff on top of it. And y'know what - you WON'T please everyone. IT's like airline meals (back when they had them). I always thought they were halfway decent. But people complain and make jokes about them anyway - they're not like fine restaurants they're not like what Mommy cooks oh well. Banty |
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"Rosalie B." wrote in message news NL wrote: Banty schrieb: In article , NL says... What I would consider an appropriate school breakfast/lunch would be a sandwich with lunchmeat and/or cheese. Maybe a leaf of lettuce and a slice of tomato. No peanutbutter, no nutella, possibly jam/marmalade for those who don't eat meat/dairy. And a drink of water (you have fountains, right? We don't in germany.) When I was in school our use of the water fountains was restricted. We weren't allowed to stop and have a drink on the way in from the playground for instance. Nor were we allowed to carry bottled water or any food or drink with us. We also do have some areas where the water in fountains is contaminated with lead or bacteria so that it is not safe to drink. Why not peanut butter? Ok, I love peanutbutter, but I don't think it's healthy, it's very fatty, usually has sugar and salt added in not insignificant amounts and there are better things you can feed kids first thing in the morning than that sticky gooey stuff ;-) Honestly, I think I'm very biased being german. I think growing up without peanutbutter means I consider it junk because I only ever ate it in moderation anyway... It's hard to explain, but I still think it's not the healthiest/best thing to eat. A cheese sandwich would be better. Peanut butter had veggie based protein. My dh ate pb&j sandwiches for lunch for YEARS - all though school. It's all he would eat. He still eats it, although now on whole grain bread. One of my dds would only eat the pb without the j. He has never eaten much cheese - does not particularly like it and is now lactose intolerant. My dd#1 lived in England for several years, and she said that the English could not get their heads around stuff like pumpkin pie which is basically a custard with milk and eggs and the pumpkin which is a very nice yellow/orange vegetable (at least the way we make it) and some spices. The more conservative ones wouldn't even try it. But while it does have some sugar in it, it's really not a bad dessert. I liked pumpkin pie until I read that description... Pumpkins in UK are strictly for pumpkin lanterns at halloween. Mind you, we always used turnips and pomegranates instead becase pumpkins were hard to get hold of until a few years ago. Debbie snip |
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NL wrote:
I know what you mean, but how do the universities manage it? Because every student pays, and they pay 3 times as much. Where I went to school it is now about $5 per meal. It comes out so low because I divided it by 3 meals but many of those students do not eat 3 meals. I do believe that some of the credit hour fee that students pay also go towards the contract with the food service. I'm not positive though. So there is a huge private pay involved in college campus meals that is not part of public school meals. |
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Hi -- Where I live, full-day kindy has been advocated (and implemented) on strictly educational grounds. Kids who attend full-day kindy apparently (statistically speaking) do better in school over the long term. Full-day kindy has been implemented school by school, with the first to receive it being the schools with the poorest children and the last being the schools with the wealthiest children. --Beth Kevles -THE-COM-HERE http://web.mit.edu/kevles/www/nomilk.html -- a page for the milk-allergic Disclaimer: Nothing in this message should be construed as medical advice. Please consult with your own medical practicioner. NOTE: No email is read at my MIT address. Use the GMAIL one if you would like me to reply. |
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Welches wrote:
"Rosalie B." wrote in message news NL wrote: Banty schrieb: In article , NL says... What I would consider an appropriate school breakfast/lunch would be a sandwich with lunchmeat and/or cheese. Maybe a leaf of lettuce and a slice of tomato. No peanutbutter, no nutella, possibly jam/marmalade for those who don't eat meat/dairy. And a drink of water (you have fountains, right? We don't in germany.) When I was in school our use of the water fountains was restricted. We weren't allowed to stop and have a drink on the way in from the playground for instance. Nor were we allowed to carry bottled water or any food or drink with us. We also do have some areas where the water in fountains is contaminated with lead or bacteria so that it is not safe to drink. Why not peanut butter? Ok, I love peanutbutter, but I don't think it's healthy, it's very fatty, usually has sugar and salt added in not insignificant amounts and there are better things you can feed kids first thing in the morning than that sticky gooey stuff ;-) Honestly, I think I'm very biased being german. I think growing up without peanutbutter means I consider it junk because I only ever ate it in moderation anyway... It's hard to explain, but I still think it's not the healthiest/best thing to eat. A cheese sandwich would be better. Peanut butter had veggie based protein. My dh ate pb&j sandwiches for lunch for YEARS - all though school. It's all he would eat. He still eats it, although now on whole grain bread. One of my dds would only eat the pb without the j. He has never eaten much cheese - does not particularly like it and is now lactose intolerant. My dd#1 lived in England for several years, and she said that the English could not get their heads around stuff like pumpkin pie which is basically a custard with milk and eggs and the pumpkin which is a very nice yellow/orange vegetable (at least the way we make it) and some spices. The more conservative ones wouldn't even try it. But while it does have some sugar in it, it's really not a bad dessert. I liked pumpkin pie until I read that description... Pumpkins in UK are strictly for pumpkin lanterns at halloween. Mind you, we always used turnips and pomegranates instead becase pumpkins were hard to get hold of until a few years ago. Debbie snip I don't like pumpkin pie, either. Pumpkin soup is (or can be) good - I remember being really surprised at how good it tasted; I had always associated pumpkins with the icky (to me) sweet taste of pumpkin pie. Clisby |
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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 08:10:51 -0500, "Donna Metler"
wrote: It's probably better than the kids having no breakfast at all, but it's not great when you're the one teaching those kids! They need to think *outside* the box. There is nothing wrong with serving lunch type foods for breakfast. Also, it would seem that yogurt could be served (fruit yogurt perhaps) or drinkable yogurt if the kids seem to like that? Some kind of sandwiches with meat might work too and these would provide some protein. -- Dorothy There is no sound, no cry in all the world that can be heard unless someone listens .. The Outer Limits |
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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:51:54 +0200, NL wrote:
And I don't know why everyone's going on about the cost and the requirement of kitchens etc. when every college probably has a canteen and they're probably not serving junk either. Many of the college cafeterias are currently franchised out to fast food places. Aside from that college students generally pay room and board and that covers a bit better grade of food than is available in the k-12 schools here. -- Dorothy There is no sound, no cry in all the world that can be heard unless someone listens .. The Outer Limits |
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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:21:09 +0200, NL wrote:
Stephanie schrieb: NL wrote: What I would consider an appropriate school breakfast/lunch would be a sandwich with lunchmeat and/or cheese. Maybe a leaf of lettuce and a slice of tomato. No peanutbutter, no nutella, possibly jam/marmalade for those who don't eat meat/dairy. And a drink of water (you have fountains, right? We don't in germany.) What is wrong with peanut butter? Peanut butter and banana on whole wheat would not be considered a healthy sandwich? Peanut butter is very fatty and has sugar and salt added as far as i know, so no, I don't think it's healthy. cu nicole We need fats in our diets, just not to excess http://peanut-butter.org/peanut-butt...+Peanut+Butter The calorie breakdown for peanut butter is: * 71% calories from fats * 14% calories from carbohydrates * 15% calories from protein This means that the vast majority of calories come from fats, which is why it is generally advised that obese people avoid eating too large an amount of peanut butter. The total calorie content in 100 grams of peanut butter is 589Cal, placing it among the most caloric foods in the typical U.S kitchen. A more detailed breakdown can be found in our peanut butter nutritional data page. Most of the fats contained are however monounsaturated, and have been shown to improve the cholesterol profile by lowering "bad" LDL cholesterol. This effect is compounded by peanut butter containing polyunsaturated fats, which in turn help raising the "good" HDL cholesterol; the synergistic effect makes this spread a very good cholesterol regulator. In a randomized, cross-over, double-blind study involving 22 subjects, a high monounsaturated diet that emphasized peanuts and peanut butter decreased the risk of cardiovascular diseases by 21% compared to the average American diet. Peanut butter contains fairly high quantities of dietary fiber, amounting to about 8%, which again helps in regulating both blood cholesterol and blood sugar levels. Dietary fiber has also been shown to significantly reduce the risk of colo-rectal cancer (which is among the most common causes of death by cancer in civilized countries) and atherosclerosis (another common disease in the U.S. and Europe). Proteins are present in high amounts (about 24% in weight), together with very important micro-nutrients such as Vitamin E, Vitamin B3 and large amounts of beneficial minerals such as iron, magnesium, potassium, copper and calcium. Vitamin E is one of the most powerful liposoluble antioxidants, shown to significantly reduce the risk of cancer and cardiovascular diseases; Vitamin B3 (also known as Niacin) is a water-soluble vitamin that aids in the recovery of cell DNA damage (thus protecting from cancer) and in improving sexual bodily functions by assuring the proper secretion of sexual hormones. The minerals peanut butter contains are in variable amount (raw peanut butter with crushed skin contains much higher amounts than refined "nut-only" butter): iron is essential for the correct functioning of your red blood cells, while calcium promotes healthy bones and shields against muscle spasms. Although not among the richest foods in potassium, peanut butter still contains fairly good amounts of it, and research has indicated that diets rich in potassium reduce the risk of hypertension (bananas are, however, a better source of potassium, try making a banana and peanut butter sandwich!). -- Dorothy There is no sound, no cry in all the world that can be heard unless someone listens .. The Outer Limits |
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