The Not-So-Crackpot Autism Theory

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The Not-So-Crackpot Autism Theory
FROM THE NY TIMES MAGAZINE

NOVEMBER 10, 2002

By ARTHUR ALLEN

Neal Halsey's life was dedicated to promoting vaccination.

In June 1999, the Johns Hopkins pediatrician and scholar had
completed a decade of service on the influential committees that
decide which inoculations will be jabbed into the arms and thighs and
buttocks of eight million American children each year. At the urging
of Halsey and others, the number of vaccines mandated for children
under 2 in the 90's soared to 20, from 8. Kids were healthier for it,
according to him. These simple, safe injections against hepatitis B
and germs like haemophilus bacteria would help thousands grow up free
of diseases like meningitis and liver cancer. [this is a totally
bogus claim that has not a shred of truth in it. DHD Sr]

Halsey's view, however, was not shared by a small but vocal faction
of parents who questioned whether all these shots did more harm than
good. While many of the childhood infections that vaccines were
designed to prevent -- among them diphtheria, mumps, chickenpox and
polio -- seemed to be either antique or innocuous, serious chronic
diseases like asthma, juvenile diabetes and autism were on the rise.
And on the Internet, especially, a growing number of self-styled
health activists blamed vaccines for these increases.

Like all medical interventions, vaccines sometimes cause adverse
reactions. But unlike pills, vaccines come packaged with high
expectations, which make them particularly vulnerable to public
criticism. Vaccines don't cure people, and they are administered to
healthy children, which gives them few opportunities for good press.
When they work, nothing happens. [they do NOT work, this is a
unproved presumption that has NEVER been put to a proper test, a
controlled long term study. DHD Sr] When vaccinated children become
ill, their parents are grief-stricken and often enraged, even if
vaccines aren't proved to be at fault. All of this puts public-health
advocates like Halsey on the defensive. Most attacks on vaccines,
they say, are based on hysteria, bad science and dubious politics
[Notice that the attacks of pro vaccinationists are never on the
subject matter but always directed personally against the anti
vaccinationists, DHD Sr].

Halsey, 57, has green eyes, a white beard that makes him look like a
ship's captain and an air of careful authority. As chairman of the
American Academy of Pediatrics committee on infectious diseases from
1995 through June 1999, he often appeared in the media administering
calm reassurance. ''Many of the allegations against vaccines,''
Halsey said in one interview, ''are based on unproven hypotheses and
causal associations with little evidence.'' [The literature is
loaded with proofs of the harmful effects of vaccines and even if
only ONE proof surfaced, should that not be enough to at the very
least render these vaccines voluntary rather than COMPULSORY?
COMPULSORY MEDICINE IN ANY FORM IS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE TO A FREE
CITIZEN!!! THE ONLY ACCEPTABLE COMPULSORY MEDICAL TECHNIQUE IS
QUARANTINE FOR A SPECIFIC REASON AND FOR A SPECIFIC LIMITED TIME.
Vaccines should be totally voluntary so as not to interfere with the
right of those citizens who want to put their children at risk. DHD
Sr]

And then suddenly in June 1999, during a visit to the Food and Drug
Administration, a squall appeared on the horizon of Halsey's
confidence. Halsey attended a meeting to discuss thimerosal, a
mercury-containing preservative that at the time was being used in
several vaccines -- including the hepatitis B shot that Halsey had
fought so hard to have administered to American babies. By the time
the dust kicked up in that meeting had settled, Halsey would be
forced to reckon with the hypothesis that thimerosal had damaged the
brains of immunized infants and may have contributed to the
unexplained explosion in the number of cases of autism being
diagnosed in children.

That Halsey was willing even to entertain this possibility enraged
some of his fellow vaccinologists, who couldn't fathom how a doctor
who had spent so much energy dismantling the arguments of people who
attacked vaccines could now be changing sides. But to Halsey's mind,
his actions were perfectly consistent: he was simply working from the
data. And the numbers deeply troubled him. ''From the beginning, I
saw thimerosal as something different,'' he says. ''It was the first
strong evidence of a causal association with neurological impairment.
I was very concerned.''

The investigation into mercury vaccines was instigated in 1997 by
Representative Frank Pallone Jr., a New Jersey Democrat whose
district includes a string of shore towns where mercury in fish is
one of many environmental concerns. Pallone, who had been pressing
the government to re-evaluate its overall guidelines on mercury
toxicity, attached an amendment to an F.D.A. bill requiring the
agency to inventory all mercury contained in licensed drugs and
vaccines.

The job of adding up the amount of mercury in vaccines and assessing
its risk fell to Robert Ball, an F.D.A. scientist, and two F.D.A.
pediatricians, Leslie Ball, Robert's wife, and R. Douglas Pratt.
Thimerosal, which is 50 percent ethyl mercury by weight, had been
used as a vaccine preservative since the 1930's in the diphtheria-
tetanus-pertussis shot, known as D.T.P., and it was later added to
some vaccines for hepatitis B and haemophilus bacteria, which by the
early 1990's had become routine immunizations for infants.

The F.D.A. team's conclusions were frightening.

Vaccines added under Halsey's watch had tripled the dose of mercury
that infants got in their first few months of life.

[If mercury loaded vaccines injured did in fact injure so many of our
infants does that mean that Halsey is culpable?? And if so, does that
mean that he should be brought to trial and if found guilty, be put
in jail?? Are medical criminals immune from prosecution?? Should they
not be treated similar to the ENRON officials and tobacco officials??
DHD Sr]

As many as 30 million American children may have been exposed to
mercury in excess of Environmental Protection Agency guidelines --
levels of mercury that, in theory, could have killed enough brain
cells to scramble thinking or hex behavior.

[this is an example of why, throughout history men in high places
have stated that doctors kill more people than all the wars and all
the generals of history - is it not time for us to wake up and bring
this habit of quack medicine to a halt by removing ALL mandatory
medical procedures of ANY type, for ANY reason and by placing those
responsible in jail?? DHD Sr]

''My first reaction was simply disbelief, which was the reaction of
almost everybody involved in vaccines,'' Halsey says. [If he were a
true scientist his reaction would be totally different - it would not
be disbelief - it would be horror - not the least of reasons being
the innocent infants subjected to his errors. DHD Sr] ''In most
vaccine containers, thimerosal is listed as a mercury derivative, a
hundredth of a percent. And what I believed, and what everybody else
believed, was that it was truly a trace, a biologically insignificant
amount.

[the things he "believes" based upon his medical training defies what
I consider to be simple common sense conclusions. DHD Sr]

My honest belief [it has been my experience over 72+ years that
whenever someone uses this phrase, they are automatically suspect DHD
Sr] is that if the labels had had the mercury content in micrograms,
this would have been uncovered years ago. But the fact is, no one did
the calculation.'' [that's right, so now who will be held responsible
by a jury of their peers for horrendous damage stemming from this
erroneous belief? Is this criminal behavior, and if so, do we let the
criminals off the hook? Will the criminals get a free ride after
poisoning millions of our children?? What if he were a cigarette
manufacturer or a tire manufacturer or a toy manufacturer caused so
much horrendous damage?? How would we treat them?? DHD Sr]

Making matters worse, the latest science on mercury damage suggested
that even small amounts of organic mercury could do harm to the fetal
brain. Some of the federal safety guidelines on mercury were relaxed
in the 90's, even as the amount of mercury that children received in
vaccines increased. The more Halsey learned about these mercury
studies, the more he worried.

''My first concern was that it would harm the credibility of the
immunization program,'' he says.

[NOTE: the immunization program has NO credibility except to those
who have vested interests in it. For anyone who has examined the
ENTIRE HISTORY of vaccination, the theory is totally lacking in
credibility - does anyone in possession of their senses think that
Halsey has examined the entire history of vaccination?? If he
professes that he has then we must conclude simply that he is stupid.
DHD Sr]

''But gradually [gradually?? this is the sign of a sleeping person.
It should have come as a horrendous shock of enlightenment DHD Sr] it
came home to me that maybe there was some real risk to the
children.'' Mercury was turning out to be like lead, which had been
studied extensively in the homes of the Baltimore poor during
Halsey's tenure at Hopkins. ''As they got more sophisticated at
testing for lead, the safe level marched down and down, and they
continued to find subtle neurological impairment,'' Halsey
says. ''And that's almost exactly what happened with mercury.'' [the
mark of fools is that they make the same mistakes over and over again
DHD Sr]

Halsey was beginning to think that it would be prudent to limit
thimerosal-containing vaccines and urge pediatricians to use
thimerosal-free shots when possible.

[when possible??? How would a jury look upon the actions taken after
such evidence surfaced?? If proved to be true in a court of law,
would that not be enough evidence to begin putting people in jail
along with the ENRON people?? DHD Sr]

But his decision inflamed some of his peers.

[Would not every one of said peers who influenced the use of this
poison on our innocent infants also belong on trial?? DHD Sr].

After all, although the thimerosal data was worrisome to Halsey, the
available science offered no clear proof that the preservative posed
a genuine danger to children when given in parts per million.

[Worrisome??? this is unmitigated arrogance - It should have shocked
him awake!! Think of the millions of healthy children affected by
such thinking!!]

Moreover, it wasn't clear that there were enough thimerosal-free
vaccines available for diseases like pertussis and hepatitis B.
Should an unproven fear justify the cessation of a procedure that
protected children from proven dangers? [ALL of the fears have been
FULLY justified by the evidence over the past hundred years DHD Sr]

Halsey looked into the matter further and found only complexity. In
the medical literature, most cases of acute mercury poisoning result
from doses hundreds or thousands of times higher than what infants
received with thimerosal-laden vaccines.

[A hundred times would be 100 times one microgram - not very much!!
One microgram is toxic - get the point, MERCURY IS A BIOLOGICAL
POISON IN ANY AMOUNT regardless of the fact that the EPA decides that
one tenth of a microgram per kilo is "safe" - how can any sane person
come to the conclusion that ANY amount of BIOLOGICAL POISON can be
deemed safe??? If that fails to identify these doctors peddling
vaccines to be used in newborn infants as MEDICAL QUACKS then nothing
will!!!. The current FLU SHOT contains TWENTY FIVE MICROGRAMS OF
MERCURY!!! DHD Sr].

And although the thimerosal levels in vaccines exceeded the E.P.A.'s
guidelines for methyl mercury, thimerosal contained ethyl mercury, a
compound that behaves somewhat differently in the body. The E.P.A.
based its guidelines on a series of studies of 917 children born in
1987 in the Faeroe Islands, a windswept North Atlantic archipelago,
to women who ate methyl-mercury-tainted whale meat. The Faeroes
children, whose umbilical cord blood averaged four times the E.P.A.'s
daily ''safe'' dose -- which was 0.1 micrograms per kilo -- exhibited
small but measurable neurological deficits seven years later.

[Do the medical vaccine quacks EVER indulge in studies over that long
of a period of time??? Would someone please point one out to me???
DHD Sr]

They had slower reaction times and diminished attention spans and
their word choice and memorization were less keen than those of their
classmates who had been exposed to less mercury, according to
Philippe Grandjean, a Danish researcher who leads the continuing
Faeroes study and teaches at Boston University.

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During most of the 90's, many American 6-month-olds received a total
of 187.5 micrograms of ethyl mercury through vaccination.

[This is high crime and in my opinion and the opinon of many other
highly educated scientists, the perpetrators belong in jail - it is
one thing to make a scientific mistake, it is quite something else to
perpetuate it under undue influences such as job, position, vaccine
manufacture profits that run into the billions, etc. DHD Sr]

While the Faeroes children were exposed to mercury as developing
fetuses, and therefore were more vulnerable than the vaccinated
American infants, the American babies included about 60,000 each year
who had already been exposed to high mercury levels because their
mothers had eaten a lot of contaminated fish. What's more, hundreds
of thousands of Rh-negative pregnant women and their unborn Rh-
positive babies received additional thimerosal each year through
injections designed to keep the mothers' immune systems from
attacking the fetuses.

The Faeroes studies, though they dealt with methyl mercury, unnerved
Halsey.

[at this point would a jury of his peers consider Halsey's action as
constituting criminal neglect not to sound the alarm and to stop the
use of mercury on children or ANY human being? - In my opinion and
the opinion of any intelligent informed person lacking a vested
interest with whom I have consulted, all vaccines and medications
containing the BIOLOGICAL POISON should have been immediately
withdrawn from the market. WOULD WE NOT EXPECT THIS OF A TOY
MANUFACTURER OR FOOD MANUFACTURER OR AUTO MANUFACTURER??? DHD SR]

Other researchers were troubled, too. George Lucier, a toxicologist
who led a 1998 White House review of mercury's dangers, went so far
as to say it was ''very likely'' that thimerosal had damaged some
children. There was precious little data to back up that precise
suspicion -- and little to dismiss it -- because of the lack of
toxicology research on ethyl mercury. [but no lack of its use in
HIGHLY PROFITABLE VACCINES!!! DHD Sr]

On July 7, 1999, at Halsey's urging, the American Academy of
Pediatrics and the Public Health Service released a statement urging
vaccine manufacturers to remove thimerosal as quickly as possible and
advising pediatricians to postpone giving most newborns the birth
dose of the hepatitis B vaccine. [Would a jury viewing all of the
facts pertinent to vaccine use, which would include the entire
history beginning with Jenner, consider any pediatrician failing to
heed this advice as being criminally negligent and perhaps belonging
in jail rather than in practice? And would they also consider that
any parent of a damaged child has a CAUSE FOR ACTION against said
pediatricians as well as against the vaccine manufacturers regardless
of the unconstitutional law set up by criminal legislators to protect
manufacturers from suits brought by damaged users?? DHD Sr]

The decision, which helped to create vaccine shortages and led some
babies to become infected with hepatitis B, outraged some senior
vaccine experts.

[THIS IS SHEER NONSENSE - HEP B IN INFANTS AS AN INFECTIOUS DISEASE
IS THE FIGMENT OF IMAGINATION OF THE SAME MEDICAL QUACKS WHO SEEK TO
INVENT VACCINES TO PREVENT IT - NO VACCINE WILL EVER PREVENT,
ALLEVIATE OR CURE ANY "DISEASE" SUCH AS HEP B WHICH IS FOUND MAINLY
IN ADULTS INDULGING IN QUESTIONABLE LIFE STYLES INCLUDING THE USE OF
RECREATIONAL DRUGS ETC. DHD Sr]

Walter Orenstein, director of the National Immunization Program at
the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, would charge that the
rush to remove thimerosal-containing vaccines was ''precipitous.''
[How would a jury of his peers view his actions, based upon the
available evidence - much of which he probably is unaware? Would a
jury of his peers put him in jail alongside others with equal
culpability? DHD Sr] Stanley Plotkin, a renowned vaccine developer,
said that it was fruitless to try to soothe vaccination critics. ''If
antivaccinationists did not have mercury, they would have another
issue,'' he said at one meeting. ''One cannot prevent them from
making hay regardless of whether the sun is shining or not.'' [And
how would HIS actions be viewed?? DHD Sr]

In Halsey's view, however, thimerosal wasn't simply a bone for rabid
vaccine opponents to gnaw on. [Why would men of science use
adjectives such as rabid? Is this not a sign of something to the
intelligent observer?? Is it a sign of psychological projection?? You
bet we're rabid, we're also livid, angry and highly ****ed off -
anyone with half an ounce of common sense and a little knowledge of
history is either very angry or terribly frightened by the sheer
power of organized medical quackery to pursue such quackery in light
of the evidence. DHD Sr] .

In the middle of that hectic summer he took a vacation in Maine.
Canoeing on a lake, he came across posters that advised fishermen
to ''protect your children -- release your catch.'' Halsey took that
message to heart. If the government was warning people against eating
fish with mercury, he asked his colleagues, ''does it make sense to
allow it to be injected into infants?'' [DUHHHHHHH!!!!!]

Although other vaccinologists criticized Halsey, many of his
colleagues rallied around him. ''Neal put kids ahead of the
vaccination program, which was gutsy,'' says Lynn Goldman, a former
E.P.A. official who has been on the Hopkins faculty since 1999 and
worked with Halsey on thimerosal. ''It would have been easier for him
to line up on the other side.'' [This says it all about the support
for vaccines DHD Sr].

Few scientists believe that the spike in autism could have been
caused solely by the thimerosal in vaccines, but in October 2001, a
vaccine-safety committee at the starchy Institute of Medicine
confirmed that it was ''biologically plausible'' -- though by no
means proved -- that thimerosal could be related to
neurodevelopmental delays in some children. The committee recommended
that thimerosal be removed from vaccines and called for extensive
research to determine any damage it had caused.

[Here is the meat of the situation, why in God's name would there be
ANY hesitation to remove ALL suspect medications from the market???
DON'T WE DO THAT WITH MEAT AND CHICKEN AND OTHER "ALLEGEDLY"
CONTAMINATED PRODUCTS ON A REGULAR BASIS??? WHY DO VACCINES THAT HAVE
THE MOST DISASTROUS EFFECTS ON OUR INNOCENT INFANTS RECEIVE SUCH
GLOVED HAND TREATMENTS??? COULD IT BE THE POWERFUL DRUG COMPANY
INTERESTS AT STAKE?? DHD Sr]

alsey's fellow researchers were right about one thing. Antivaccine
advocates immediately seized upon the thimerosal theory, and Halsey
became something of an unwilling hero to the vaccine-safety advocates
with whom he had so often sparred. [You can exclude me from that
group, In my opinion, Halsey activities in regard to vaccines is a
great threat to the life and health of every child born in America
DHD Sr] In fact, thousands of parents with autistic children have
responded to the Institute of Medicine report by filing lawsuits.
{GOOD!!! DHD Sr] Michael Williams, who has won millions in toxic tort
settlements from pharmaceutical companies, was among the first
lawyers to sue vaccine manufacturers, on behalf of William Mead, a 4-
year-old Portland, Ore., boy with autism. Williams also filed a
separate class-action lawsuit with William's healthy older sister,
Eleanor, as lead plaintiff, demanding that vaccine makers also pay
for studies to determine thimerosal's effects on millions of children
who might have lower I.Q.'s or other less obvious signs of mercury
poisoning. Past studies have shown that mercury's effects vary
tremendously from person to person, presumably because of genetic
differences in the body's capacity to protect delicate organs from
it.

''In order to win the Eleanor lawsuit you need to establish
liability, but I don't think that is going to be that hard,''
Williams said in a recent chat in his Portland office. ''Organic
mercury is a very serious neurotoxin.''

Williams embodies the vaccine establishment's worst fear about
Halsey's course of action -- which is that taking the precautionary
step of eliminating thimerosal would be read as an admission of
fault. ''The agenda was set by the lawyers and the antivaccine
activists,'' a source close to a number of manufacturers complained
to me. ''The scientists responded to it scientifically, and that put
them behind the eight ball right away. You had Neal Halsey running
around saying: 'We've got to do something! We've got to show we're
concerned!'''

Paul Offit, a vaccinologist at the Children's Hospital of
Philadelphia, takes it a step further. ''In some instances I think
full disclosure can be harmful,'' he says. ''Is it safe to say there
is zero risk with thimerosal, when it is remotely possible that one
child would get sick? Well, since we say that mercury is a
neurotoxin, we have to do everything we can to get rid of it. But I
would argue that removing thimerosal didn't make vaccines safer -- it
only made them perceptibly safer.''

For Halsey, thimerosal injury is a possibility that must be
addressed -- but by science, [YEAH RIGHT, BUT NOT BY
HALSEY'S "SCIENCE" DHD Sr] not by the courts.

The scientific agenda, however, is already deeply politicized.
[duhhhh!! no kidding?] From the start, the C.D.C.'s efforts to
examine the possibility of thimerosal damage became snarled in
acrimony. Critics of the vaccination system don't trust the C.D.C.
[only an idiot would trust anything that comes out of the CDC DHD
Sr], which monitors evidence of adverse reactions to vaccines through
the Vaccine Safety Datalink, a computerized set of 7.5 million
medical records. Safe Minds, an advocacy group of parents who believe
that their autistic children were damaged by thimerosal, has used the
Freedom of Information Act to obtain documents showing that as early
as December 1999 the C.D.C. had reason to believe that thimerosal
caused developmental delays in some children. It was far from
conclusive evidence, but vaccine critics charged that the C.D.C.
tried to play it down [every one of those involved in playing it down
belongs before a jury of their peers to decide whether or not they
belong in jail rather than in public service DHD Sr - THIS IS THE
CRUX OF THE ISSUE BEFORE US HERE!!! DON'T LOSE SIGHT OF IT - THE
OTHER ISSUE IS THE IDEA OF THE COMPULSORY NATURE OF MEDICINE- IT MUST
BE BROUGHT TO A SCREECHING HALT - ANYONE NOT AGREEING WITH THAT
SHOULD GET A COPY OF THE RECENT MEETING IN WASHINGTON DC HOSTED BY
BARBARA LOE FISHER AND LISTEN TO THE COMMENTS OF THE UGANDAN WHO
REPORTED HOW HIS GOVERNMENT SOLDIERS WENT THROUGH THE UGANDAN
VILLAGES, KILLING UGANDAN CHILDREN WITH ORAL POLIO VACCINES THAT WERE
DISCONTINUED IN THE USA AFTER OUR BRILLIANT MEDICAL QUACKS HERE
FINALLY CONCLUDED THAT FOR FIFTEEN YEARS THE ONLY CAUSE OF POLIO IN
THE USA WAS THE ORAL POLIO VACCINE USED TO PREVENT POLIO!!! SO THE
QUACK VACCINES WERE SOLD TO THIRD WORLD NATIONS, MONEY WAS PAID TO
CERTAIN POLITICIANS AND THOSE POLITICIANS IN TURN INFLUENCED THE
MILITARY TO CARRY OUT THE HEINOUS DEED - EVERYONE INVOLVED IN THAT
FIASCO SHOULD BE TRIED AND IF FOUND GUILTY, EXECUTED. IT IS TIME TO
STOPTHIS INSANITY!!! DHD Sr ].

One of those critics was Dan Burton, a Republican congressman from
Indiana, who says he firmly believes that his grandson's autism is a
result of vaccines. ''I'm so ticked off about my grandson, and to
think that the public-health people have been circling the wagons to
cover up the facts!'' Burton fumed at a June hearing. ''Why, it just
makes me want to vomit!'' [you and a lot of other people Dan, DHD Sr]

What comes through in an examination of the documents uncovered by
Safe Minds is less a coverup than an impression of scientists
anxiously watching over their shoulders as they work. One document,
for example, records comments made by Robert Brent, a Philadelphia
pediatrician who served as a consultant for the thimerosal
study. ''The medical-legal findings in this study, causal or not, are
horrendous,'' Brent said. ''If an allegation was made that a child's
neurobehavioral findings were caused by thimerosal-containing
vaccines, you could readily find a junk scientist [this is a
psychological projection of the first order DHD Sr] who would support
the claim with a reasonable degree of certainty. But you will not
find a scientist with any integrity [this is an almost absent
commodity amongst government workers and conventional medicine types
DHD Sr] who would say the reverse with the data that is
available. . . . So we are in a bad position from the standpoint of
defending any lawsuits if they were initiated.''

More research is in the works. The C.D.C. is setting up a study of
neurodevelopmental effects based in part on the Faeroe Islands model.
[THIS IS LIKE ASKING THE FOX HOW TO GUARD THE CHICKEN COOP - it
should be taken out of government hands. All governments are
corruptible sooner or later, and our government agencies have been
fully corrupted for a very long time. DHD Sr] The N.I.H. is financing
studies of thimerosal metabolism in animals and children. (An early
University of Rochester study was reassuring: it indicated that
children eliminate thimerosal much more quickly than expected.)

Clearly, a lot is riding on this research, and pressure is being
brought to bear on both sides. Can the vaccine authorities accept a
positive answer? Can the vaccine opponents accept a negative
one? ''No one wants to think that harm might have been done,'' Halsey
says. ''I don't want to think harm might have been done.''
[duhhhhh!!!! DHD Sr]

American children still receive up to 20 vaccines in the first two
years of life.

[this is the worst crime ever perpetrated on a civilized society DHD
Sr]

The first symptoms of autism often appear between the ages of 12 and
24 months. Most autism experts say that the two facts are
coincidental, but as a major California study recently confirmed,
autism is being diagnosed in numbers far higher than ever before,
suggesting that a nongenetic cause may be partly to blame. In some
children, the behavioral traits of autism present themselves along
with physical problems like sensory dysfunction and motor disorders
that have rough correlates in the mercury-poisoning literature. For
some parents, thimerosal provides a grand unifying theory that
squarely points the finger at the government and vaccine makers.

During much of the 20th-century, children suffered from an ailment
called pink disease, which caused peeling skin on the extremities as
well as regressive behavior. In 1948, a keen-eyed Cincinnati
pediatrician named Josef Warkany noticed a common risk factor in
these children: they had all been given teething powders containing
calomel, a mercury derivative.

Only about 1 in 500 children whose parents gave them calomel got pink
disease -- suggesting that a constitutional vulnerability to mercury
was part of the clinical picture. Soon after the powders were taken
off the market, pink disease disappeared.

[go back in history and check out the effects of Calomel used in many
other conditions, it is horrendous - if my memory serves me
correctly, at the turn of the century anyone unlucky enough to be
treated for pneumonia died from the treatment, while people in the
outback, left untreated, would often survive, calomel was one of the
methods used by the medical quacks back then to treat pneumonia -
there was another popular and just as deadly drug which escapes my
memory at the moment but which was reported by an MD to a Washington
group of MDs way back when, who recovered ALL of his patients through
simple hygienic methods, no drugs, his name also escapes me at the
moment. DHD Sr]

It is my opinion that men like Halsey and others of his ilk pose a
much more serious threat to the health of our children than any
disease of childhood and I further opine that something needs to be
done to take such men out of circulation - if the allegations
concerning their effects on the public health are true they not only
do not belong in public service - they belong in jail. A good legal
mind willing to dedicate the time and effort necessary to investigate
those possibilities is sorely needed and daily prayed for. I continue
to wait for such a man or woman to step forward and take up the fight
so that we can begin to make men like Halsey and others of his ilk
pay the penalty for their actions if they are found guilty of such by
a jury of their peers. My advice to such men is, if you can't do the
time, don't do the crime. The time is rapidly approaching when
suddenly, one day, the public is going to awaken and you will
suddenly be held accountable for the horrendous damage you have done
and will continue to do to our innocents. I am sure that the leaders
of ENRON and other companies never expected to be held accountable
for their misdeeds. Don't count on remaining out of reach of the
common man - the public is being slowly awakened by people like
myself - and I am not alone - there is a growing number of others
like me!!!

Dr Daniel H Duffy Sr



The following letter [after my comments] was sent by FAX to all the
US Senators by Represenative Dan Burton. It really clarifies the
issue on vaccine liability in the Homeland Security bill.



MY COMMENTS: the Homeland Security Bill is a terrible intrusion into
the lives of American citizens and is just another step on the way to
totalitarian government in the USA. Think it's not possible??? Wake
up and take a look around!!! The average citizen is totally unaware
of the number of freedoms lost over the last half century.



Most people are totally unaware of the fact that we're living in a
police state.



Look around you, there are police everywhere you look. You can't
drive down a highway without noticing police hiding behind trees and
poles and highway signs or hanging over bridges and overpasses or
following you in aircraft involved in traffic traps. Police are
continually pointing radar cameras at you, ready to interfere with
your travel rights - to tax you for a crime you have not yet
committed - we build roads to accommodate speeds of over a hundred
miles an hour and then authorities place speed limits of 55 and 60MPH
which put you at risk and cause you to waste your precious time
etc.!!



You can't have a baby without a doctor's permission, can't go to
school without a doctor's permission, can't drive a car or go to work
without a doctor's permission and of all the insults and intrusions
into your privacy, EVEN YOUR BODY IS ATTACKED BY QUACK MEDICAL
DOCTORS with compulsory vaccines - you can't even send your children
to schools or colleges without some fool telling you that they have
to be vaccinated with a health threatening poison against some
disease that has not been a widespread threat for over a hundred
years and for which no vaccine has ever had any effect!!



What a deprivation of freedom and an atrocity that is!!!



And MOST people don't even whimper at being forced into such
atrocities!!



You have to submit to quack vaccine injections before you can travel
abroad or take certain jobs!! Wake up and act before it is too late
to reverse the situation!!!



Everyone concerned with these crimes against humanity should have a
list of names of the quacks and their conspirators so that this can
be made available when the proverbial feces hits the whirling blade,
I have a strong feeling that something is about to break in regards
the medical abuse that has all but overwhelmed us in the last twenty
years.



Make a list of the people you consider candidates for investigation
of possible crimes against the public - have it ready for use when
and if the time comes - this would include ANY high level person
encouraging or supporting the present pharmaceutically-driven,
devastating, medical quackery that is going on. For example the
number one suspect on my list is Tony Fauci of the CDC - if the facts
on AIDS as reported by Peter Duesberg are true as I understand them,
Tony Fauci belongs behind bars for the rest of his life, if not in an
electric chair or at the end of a rope or needle.



If we can send high level CEO swindlers to jail for long periods of
time for cooking the books just think of what we can do to these
quacks who are destroying the health of and killing infants and
children before they even have a chance to get started in life, much
less the damage they are doing to others. [How about all the people
who were killed by AZT in the 80s and 90s for treatment of the
fictitious AIDS epidemic? see below]

Then We can certainly send criminals doing the crimes of quack
medicine to the electric chair, gallows or end of a needle. Thousands
of American citizens were put to death by the CDC-directed war on a
non-existent epidemic [AIDS] by the use of AZT, a poison that killed
every lab animal it was ever used on during the initial experiments -

and killed every human able to absorb it who took enough doses. Tony
Fauci was a major driving force behind this AZT atrocity along with
Robert Gallo and gang. [AZT is a chain terminator of DNA synthesis
and as such is totally incompatible with life in those humans
unfortunate enough to be able to absorb it - those who failed to
absorb it and changed their life styles were recorded in the faulty
AIDS statistics as therapeutic AZT successes!]

DHD Sr


FACTS AND FICTION ABOUT THIMEROSAL IN VACCINES
November 18, 2002

Dear Colleague:

During the past 24 hours, a number of incorrect statements have been
made about the vaccine provisions in the Homeland Security Act. The
facts are simple. These provisions
severely restrict the legal rights of parents who believe their
children have suffered neurological damage due to vaccines. The
scientific debate remains unresolved. These provisions do not belong
in the Homeland Security Act. I hope the following points will help
separate fact from fiction.

FICTION: Scientists have concluded that there is no causal
connection between mercury-containing thimerosal and neurological
disorders such as autism.

FACT: In 2001, the respected Institute of Medicine concluded that a
connection between thimerosal and autism, while unproven,
is "biologically plausible." The IOM called for further research,
stating, "the evidence is inadequate to accept or reject a causal
relationship between exposure to thimerosal from vaccines and
neurological developmental disorders of autism, ADHD, and speech and
language delays."

FACT: Researchers in the state of California concluded this year
that there is no statistical explanation for the nearly 300% increase
in cases of autism in that state. "It is astounding to see a
threefold increase in autism with no explanation," said Dr. Robert
Byrd, an epidemiologist who led the study. "There's a number of
things that need to be answered. We need to rethink the possible
causes of autism."

FACT: An internal HHS document produced to the House Government
Reform Committee during its investigation into vaccine safety
described what it referred to as a "weak signal" in its data linking
thimerosal to neurological disorders: "Preliminary screening of ICD-9
codes for possible neurologic and renal conditions following
exposures to vaccines containing thimerosal before 3 months of age
showed a statistical association for the overall category of
neurological developmental disorders and for two conditions within
the category, speech delay and attention deficit disorder."

FACT: If there were no concerns that scientific research would
demonstrate a connection between thimerosal and autism, Sections 1714-
1717 would not have been tacked onto the Homeland Security Act in the
eleventh hour with no debate.

FICTION: Sections 1714-1717 do not eliminate the rights of vaccine-
injured individuals to sue manufacturers of vaccines and their
components. Proponents of these provisions have stated that once
individuals have gone through the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program
they can still choose to file a civil law suit.

FACT: For many families who believe their children were injured by
mercury-based thimerosal, these provisions do eliminate their right
to file suits. The Vaccine Injury
Compensation Program has a narrow 3-year statute of limitations.
Because many families were unaware of the program, they were unable
to file a petition on time. Sections 1714-1717 take away their only
remaining legal recourse.

FICTION: Thimerosal has now been removed from all childhood vaccines
and is therefore no longer a concern.

FACT: While thimerosal has recently been removed from most pediatric
vaccines used in the United States, it is still used in the flu
vaccine given every year to millions of Americans, including children
as young as six months old.

FACT: The argument that thimerosal has been removed from most
pediatric vaccines is beside the point. Because the FDA was
painfully slow to seek the removal of thimerosal during the 1990's,
millions of children across the country were exposed to this mercury-
based preservative at a time when concerns about its health effects
were emerging. The legal rights of these children should not be
curtailed.

Please vote to strip Sections 1714-1717 from the Homeland Security
Act. Fifteen years ago, only 1 in 10,000 children was autistic.
Today that number has skyrocketed to 1 in 250. Let's not be stampeded
into cutting off the legal rights of these children without hearings
and a full public debate.
Sincerely,
Dan Burton
Chairman
House Committee on Government Reform

Re your comment about RH-negative women's fetuses being exposed to mercury
through the Rho gam injection:I really appreciate your mentioning that
here. I was fearful of the depredations of doctors during my 2nd
pregnancy (by that time I had been aware of the dangers of drugs &
vaccines for some years); so I did not even bother seeing a doctor until a
few days before the baby was born (the head was already engaged by that
time). However, going to the hospital to push the baby out was a mistake:
I was subjected to physical and esp. verbal abuse by nurses and doctor
alike for doing my pregnancy my way, instead of theirs. After the birth,
an injection of Rho gam, presumably with the thimerosol, was forced on
me.

I am glad there are one or two decent doctors out there, such as the
author of the information presented on this forum, a forum populated
mainly by hateful and cruel people, I might add.

"Majusmaximum" wrote in message
lkaboutparenting.com...
Re your comment about RH-negative women's fetuses being exposed to mercury
through the Rho gam injection:I really appreciate your mentioning that
here. I was fearful of the depredations of doctors during my 2nd
pregnancy (by that time I had been aware of the dangers of drugs &
vaccines for some years); so I did not even bother seeing a doctor until a
few days before the baby was born (the head was already engaged by that
time). However, going to the hospital to push the baby out was a mistake:
I was subjected to physical and esp. verbal abuse by nurses and doctor
alike for doing my pregnancy my way, instead of theirs. After the birth,
an injection of Rho gam, presumably with the thimerosol, was forced on
me.

You and your child were lucky. Had you had a serious condition like
pre-eclampsia or gestational diabetes, you would not have had it treated,
and you could have lost your life or your baby's life. No prenatal medical
care is one of the major causes of serious illness and death of babies.

Jeff

I am glad there are one or two decent doctors out there, such as the
author of the information presented on this forum, a forum populated
mainly by hateful and cruel people, I might add.

Thanks for the post ... do you have an url for this ... I'd very much
like to link it to my webpage ...

http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/Q...ersVsIlena.htm





From:
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: The Not-So-Crackpot Autism Theory
Date: 6 Feb 2005 13:32:18 -0800



The Not-So-Crackpot Autism Theory
FROM THE NY TIMES MAGAZINE

NOVEMBER 10, 2002

By ARTHUR ALLEN

Neal Halsey's life was dedicated to promoting vaccination.

In June 1999, the Johns Hopkins pediatrician and scholar had
completed a decade of service on the influential committees that
decide which inoculations will be jabbed into the arms and thighs and
buttocks of eight million American children each year. At the urging
of Halsey and others, the number of vaccines mandated for children
under 2 in the 90's soared to 20, from 8. Kids were healthier for it,
according to him. These simple, safe injections against hepatitis B
and germs like haemophilus bacteria would help thousands grow up free
of diseases like meningitis and liver cancer. [this is a totally
bogus claim that has not a shred of truth in it. DHD Sr]

Halsey's view, however, was not shared by a small but vocal faction
of parents who questioned whether all these shots did more harm than
good. While many of the childhood infections that vaccines were
designed to prevent -- among them diphtheria, mumps, chickenpox and
polio -- seemed to be either antique or innocuous, serious chronic
diseases like asthma, juvenile diabetes and autism were on the rise.
And on the Internet, especially, a growing number of self-styled
health activists blamed vaccines for these increases.

Like all medical interventions, vaccines sometimes cause adverse
reactions. But unlike pills, vaccines come packaged with high
expectations, which make them particularly vulnerable to public
criticism. Vaccines don't cure people, and they are administered to
healthy children, which gives them few opportunities for good press.
When they work, nothing happens. [they do NOT work, this is a
unproved presumption that has NEVER been put to a proper test, a
controlled long term study. DHD Sr] When vaccinated children become
ill, their parents are grief-stricken and often enraged, even if
vaccines aren't proved to be at fault. All of this puts public-health
advocates like Halsey on the defensive. Most attacks on vaccines,
they say, are based on hysteria, bad science and dubious politics
[Notice that the attacks of pro vaccinationists are never on the
subject matter but always directed personally against the anti
vaccinationists, DHD Sr].

Halsey, 57, has green eyes, a white beard that makes him look like a
ship's captain and an air of careful authority. As chairman of the
American Academy of Pediatrics committee on infectious diseases from
1995 through June 1999, he often appeared in the media administering
calm reassurance. ''Many of the allegations against vaccines,''
Halsey said in one interview, ''are based on unproven hypotheses and
causal associations with little evidence.'' [The literature is
loaded with proofs of the harmful effects of vaccines and even if
only ONE proof surfaced, should that not be enough to at the very
least render these vaccines voluntary rather than COMPULSORY?
COMPULSORY MEDICINE IN ANY FORM IS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE TO A FREE
CITIZEN!!! THE ONLY ACCEPTABLE COMPULSORY MEDICAL TECHNIQUE IS
QUARANTINE FOR A SPECIFIC REASON AND FOR A SPECIFIC LIMITED TIME.
Vaccines should be totally voluntary so as not to interfere with the
right of those citizens who want to put their children at risk. DHD
Sr]

And then suddenly in June 1999, during a visit to the Food and Drug
Administration, a squall appeared on the horizon of Halsey's
confidence. Halsey attended a meeting to discuss thimerosal, a
mercury-containing preservative that at the time was being used in
several vaccines -- including the hepatitis B shot that Halsey had
fought so hard to have administered to American babies. By the time
the dust kicked up in that meeting had settled, Halsey would be
forced to reckon with the hypothesis that thimerosal had damaged the
brains of immunized infants and may have contributed to the
unexplained explosion in the number of cases of autism being
diagnosed in children.

That Halsey was willing even to entertain this possibility enraged
some of his fellow vaccinologists, who couldn't fathom how a doctor
who had spent so much energy dismantling the arguments of people who
attacked vaccines could now be changing sides. But to Halsey's mind,
his actions were perfectly consistent: he was simply working from the
data. And the numbers deeply troubled him. ''From the beginning, I
saw thimerosal as something different,'' he says. ''It was the first
strong evidence of a causal association with neurological impairment.
I was very concerned.''

The investigation into mercury vaccines was instigated in 1997 by
Representative Frank Pallone Jr., a New Jersey Democrat whose
district includes a string of shore towns where mercury in fish is
one of many environmental concerns. Pallone, who had been pressing
the government to re-evaluate its overall guidelines on mercury
toxicity, attached an amendment to an F.D.A. bill requiring the
agency to inventory all mercury contained in licensed drugs and
vaccines.

The job of adding up the amount of mercury in vaccines and assessing
its risk fell to Robert Ball, an F.D.A. scientist, and two F.D.A.
pediatricians, Leslie Ball, Robert's wife, and R. Douglas Pratt.
Thimerosal, which is 50 percent ethyl mercury by weight, had been
used as a vaccine preservative since the 1930's in the diphtheria-
tetanus-pertussis shot, known as D.T.P., and it was later added to
some vaccines for hepatitis B and haemophilus bacteria, which by the
early 1990's had become routine immunizations for infants.

The F.D.A. team's conclusions were frightening.

Vaccines added under Halsey's watch had tripled the dose of mercury
that infants got in their first few months of life.

[If mercury loaded vaccines injured did in fact injure so many of our
infants does that mean that Halsey is culpable?? And if so, does that
mean that he should be brought to trial and if found guilty, be put
in jail?? Are medical criminals immune from prosecution?? Should they
not be treated similar to the ENRON officials and tobacco officials??
DHD Sr]

As many as 30 million American children may have been exposed to
mercury in excess of Environmental Protection Agency guidelines --
levels of mercury that, in theory, could have killed enough brain
cells to scramble thinking or hex behavior.

[this is an example of why, throughout history men in high places
have stated that doctors kill more people than all the wars and all
the generals of history - is it not time for us to wake up and bring
this habit of quack medicine to a halt by removing ALL mandatory
medical procedures of ANY type, for ANY reason and by placing those
responsible in jail?? DHD Sr]

''My first reaction was simply disbelief, which was the reaction of
almost everybody involved in vaccines,'' Halsey says. [If he were a
true scientist his reaction would be totally different - it would not
be disbelief - it would be horror - not the least of reasons being
the innocent infants subjected to his errors. DHD Sr] ''In most
vaccine containers, thimerosal is listed as a mercury derivative, a
hundredth of a percent. And what I believed, and what everybody else
believed, was that it was truly a trace, a biologically insignificant
amount.

[the things he "believes" based upon his medical training defies what
I consider to be simple common sense conclusions. DHD Sr]

My honest belief [it has been my experience over 72+ years that
whenever someone uses this phrase, they are automatically suspect DHD
Sr] is that if the labels had had the mercury content in micrograms,
this would have been uncovered years ago. But the fact is, no one did
the calculation.'' [that's right, so now who will be held responsible
by a jury of their peers for horrendous damage stemming from this
erroneous belief? Is this criminal behavior, and if so, do we let the
criminals off the hook? Will the criminals get a free ride after
poisoning millions of our children?? What if he were a cigarette
manufacturer or a tire manufacturer or a toy manufacturer caused so
much horrendous damage?? How would we treat them?? DHD Sr]

Making matters worse, the latest science on mercury damage suggested
that even small amounts of organic mercury could do harm to the fetal
brain. Some of the federal safety guidelines on mercury were relaxed
in the 90's, even as the amount of mercury that children received in
vaccines increased. The more Halsey learned about these mercury
studies, the more he worried.

''My first concern was that it would harm the credibility of the
immunization program,'' he says.

[NOTE: the immunization program has NO credibility except to those
who have vested interests in it. For anyone who has examined the
ENTIRE HISTORY of vaccination, the theory is totally lacking in
credibility - does anyone in possession of their senses think that
Halsey has examined the entire history of vaccination?? If he
professes that he has then we must conclude simply that he is stupid.
DHD Sr]

''But gradually [gradually?? this is the sign of a sleeping person.
It should have come as a horrendous shock of enlightenment DHD Sr] it
came home to me that maybe there was some real risk to the
children.'' Mercury was turning out to be like lead, which had been
studied extensively in the homes of the Baltimore poor during
Halsey's tenure at Hopkins. ''As they got more sophisticated at
testing for lead, the safe level marched down and down, and they
continued to find subtle neurological impairment,'' Halsey
says. ''And that's almost exactly what happened with mercury.'' [the
mark of fools is that they make the same mistakes over and over again
DHD Sr]

Halsey was beginning to think that it would be prudent to limit
thimerosal-containing vaccines and urge pediatricians to use
thimerosal-free shots when possible.

[when possible??? How would a jury look upon the actions taken after
such evidence surfaced?? If proved to be true in a court of law,
would that not be enough evidence to begin putting people in jail
along with the ENRON people?? DHD Sr]

But his decision inflamed some of his peers.

[Would not every one of said peers who influenced the use of this
poison on our innocent infants also belong on trial?? DHD Sr].

After all, although the thimerosal data was worrisome to Halsey, the
available science offered no clear proof that the preservative posed
a genuine danger to children when given in parts per million.

[Worrisome??? this is unmitigated arrogance - It should have shocked
him awake!! Think of the millions of healthy children affected by
such thinking!!]

Moreover, it wasn't clear that there were enough thimerosal-free
vaccines available for diseases like pertussis and hepatitis B.
Should an unproven fear justify the cessation of a procedure that
protected children from proven dangers? [ALL of the fears have been
FULLY justified by the evidence over the past hundred years DHD Sr]

Halsey looked into the matter further and found only complexity. In
the medical literature, most cases of acute mercury poisoning result
from doses hundreds or thousands of times higher than what infants
received with thimerosal-laden vaccines.

[A hundred times would be 100 times one microgram - not very much!!
One microgram is toxic - get the point, MERCURY IS A BIOLOGICAL
POISON IN ANY AMOUNT regardless of the fact that the EPA decides that
one tenth of a microgram per kilo is "safe" - how can any sane person
come to the conclusion that ANY amount of BIOLOGICAL POISON can be
deemed safe??? If that fails to identify these doctors peddling
vaccines to be used in newborn infants as MEDICAL QUACKS then nothing
will!!!. The current FLU SHOT contains TWENTY FIVE MICROGRAMS OF
MERCURY!!! DHD Sr].

And although the thimerosal levels in vaccines exceeded the E.P.A.'s
guidelines for methyl mercury, thimerosal contained ethyl mercury, a
compound that behaves somewhat differently in the body. The E.P.A.
based its guidelines on a series of studies of 917 children born in
1987 in the Faeroe Islands, a windswept North Atlantic archipelago,
to women who ate methyl-mercury-tainted whale meat. The Faeroes
children, whose umbilical cord blood averaged four times the E.P.A.'s
daily ''safe'' dose -- which was 0.1 micrograms per kilo -- exhibited
small but measurable neurological deficits seven years later.

[Do the medical vaccine quacks EVER indulge in studies over that long
of a period of time??? Would someone please point one out to me???
DHD Sr]

They had slower reaction times and diminished attention spans and
their word choice and memorization were less keen than those of their
classmates who had been exposed to less mercury, according to
Philippe Grandjean, a Danish researcher who leads the continuing
Faeroes study and teaches at Boston University.

The Not-So-Crackpot Autism Theory
(Page 3 of 5)

During most of the 90's, many American 6-month-olds received a total
of 187.5 micrograms of ethyl mercury through vaccination.

[This is high crime and in my opinion and the opinon of many other
highly educated scientists, the perpetrators belong in jail - it is
one thing to make a scientific mistake, it is quite something else to
perpetuate it under undue influences such as job, position, vaccine
manufacture profits that run into the billions, etc. DHD Sr]

While the Faeroes children were exposed to mercury as developing
fetuses, and therefore were more vulnerable than the vaccinated
American infants, the American babies included about 60,000 each year
who had already been exposed to high mercury levels because their
mothers had eaten a lot of contaminated fish. What's more, hundreds
of thousands of Rh-negative pregnant women and their unborn Rh-
positive babies received additional thimerosal each year through
injections designed to keep the mothers' immune systems from
attacking the fetuses.

The Faeroes studies, though they dealt with methyl mercury, unnerved
Halsey.

[at this point would a jury of his peers consider Halsey's action as
constituting criminal neglect not to sound the alarm and to stop the
use of mercury on children or ANY human being? - In my opinion and
the opinion of any intelligent informed person lacking a vested
interest with whom I have consulted, all vaccines and medications
containing the BIOLOGICAL POISON should have been immediately
withdrawn from the market. WOULD WE NOT EXPECT THIS OF A TOY
MANUFACTURER OR FOOD MANUFACTURER OR AUTO MANUFACTURER??? DHD SR]

Other researchers were troubled, too. George Lucier, a toxicologist
who led a 1998 White House review of mercury's dangers, went so far
as to say it was ''very likely'' that thimerosal had damaged some
children. There was precious little data to back up that precise
suspicion -- and little to dismiss it -- because of the lack of
toxicology research on ethyl mercury. [but no lack of its use in
HIGHLY PROFITABLE VACCINES!!! DHD Sr]

On July 7, 1999, at Halsey's urging, the American Academy of
Pediatrics and the Public Health Service released a statement urging
vaccine manufacturers to remove thimerosal as quickly as possible and
advising pediatricians to postpone giving most newborns the birth
dose of the hepatitis B vaccine. [Would a jury viewing all of the
facts pertinent to vaccine use, which would include the entire
history beginning with Jenner, consider any pediatrician failing to
heed this advice as being criminally negligent and perhaps belonging
in jail rather than in practice? And would they also consider that
any parent of a damaged child has a CAUSE FOR ACTION against said
pediatricians as well as against the vaccine manufacturers regardless
of the unconstitutional law set up by criminal legislators to protect
manufacturers from suits brought by damaged users?? DHD Sr]

The decision, which helped to create vaccine shortages and led some
babies to become infected with hepatitis B, outraged some senior
vaccine experts.

[THIS IS SHEER NONSENSE - HEP B IN INFANTS AS AN INFECTIOUS DISEASE
IS THE FIGMENT OF IMAGINATION OF THE SAME MEDICAL QUACKS WHO SEEK TO
INVENT VACCINES TO PREVENT IT - NO VACCINE WILL EVER PREVENT,
ALLEVIATE OR CURE ANY "DISEASE" SUCH AS HEP B WHICH IS FOUND MAINLY
IN ADULTS INDULGING IN QUESTIONABLE LIFE STYLES INCLUDING THE USE OF
RECREATIONAL DRUGS ETC. DHD Sr]

Walter Orenstein, director of the National Immunization Program at
the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, would charge that the
rush to remove thimerosal-containing vaccines was ''precipitous.''
[How would a jury of his peers view his actions, based upon the
available evidence - much of which he probably is unaware? Would a
jury of his peers put him in jail alongside others with equal
culpability? DHD Sr] Stanley Plotkin, a renowned vaccine developer,
said that it was fruitless to try to soothe vaccination critics. ''If
antivaccinationists did not have mercury, they would have another
issue,'' he said at one meeting. ''One cannot prevent them from
making hay regardless of whether the sun is shining or not.'' [And
how would HIS actions be viewed?? DHD Sr]

In Halsey's view, however, thimerosal wasn't simply a bone for rabid
vaccine opponents to gnaw on. [Why would men of science use
adjectives such as rabid? Is this not a sign of something to the
intelligent observer?? Is it a sign of psychological projection?? You
bet we're rabid, we're also livid, angry and highly ****ed off -
anyone with half an ounce of common sense and a little knowledge of
history is either very angry or terribly frightened by the sheer
power of organized medical quackery to pursue such quackery in light
of the evidence. DHD Sr] .

In the middle of that hectic summer he took a vacation in Maine.
Canoeing on a lake, he came across posters that advised fishermen
to ''protect your children -- release your catch.'' Halsey took that
message to heart. If the government was warning people against eating
fish with mercury, he asked his colleagues, ''does it make sense to
allow it to be injected into infants?'' [DUHHHHHHH!!!!!]

Although other vaccinologists criticized Halsey, many of his
colleagues rallied around him. ''Neal put kids ahead of the
vaccination program, which was gutsy,'' says Lynn Goldman, a former
E.P.A. official who has been on the Hopkins faculty since 1999 and
worked with Halsey on thimerosal. ''It would have been easier for him
to line up on the other side.'' [This says it all about the support
for vaccines DHD Sr].

Few scientists believe that the spike in autism could have been
caused solely by the thimerosal in vaccines, but in October 2001, a
vaccine-safety committee at the starchy Institute of Medicine
confirmed that it was ''biologically plausible'' -- though by no
means proved -- that thimerosal could be related to
neurodevelopmental delays in some children. The committee recommended
that thimerosal be removed from vaccines and called for extensive
research to determine any damage it had caused.

[Here is the meat of the situation, why in God's name would there be
ANY hesitation to remove ALL suspect medications from the market???
DON'T WE DO THAT WITH MEAT AND CHICKEN AND OTHER "ALLEGEDLY"
CONTAMINATED PRODUCTS ON A REGULAR BASIS??? WHY DO VACCINES THAT HAVE
THE MOST DISASTROUS EFFECTS ON OUR INNOCENT INFANTS RECEIVE SUCH
GLOVED HAND TREATMENTS??? COULD IT BE THE POWERFUL DRUG COMPANY
INTERESTS AT STAKE?? DHD Sr]

alsey's fellow researchers were right about one thing. Antivaccine
advocates immediately seized upon the thimerosal theory, and Halsey
became something of an unwilling hero to the vaccine-safety advocates
with whom he had so often sparred. [You can exclude me from that
group, In my opinion, Halsey activities in regard to vaccines is a
great threat to the life and health of every child born in America
DHD Sr] In fact, thousands of parents with autistic children have
responded to the Institute of Medicine report by filing lawsuits.
{GOOD!!! DHD Sr] Michael Williams, who has won millions in toxic tort
settlements from pharmaceutical companies, was among the first
lawyers to sue vaccine manufacturers, on behalf of William Mead, a 4-
year-old Portland, Ore., boy with autism. Williams also filed a
separate class-action lawsuit with William's healthy older sister,
Eleanor, as lead plaintiff, demanding that vaccine makers also pay
for studies to determine thimerosal's effects on millions of children
who might have lower I.Q.'s or other less obvious signs of mercury
poisoning. Past studies have shown that mercury's effects vary
tremendously from person to person, presumably because of genetic
differences in the body's capacity to protect delicate organs from
it.

''In order to win the Eleanor lawsuit you need to establish
liability, but I don't think that is going to be that hard,''
Williams said in a recent chat in his Portland office. ''Organic
mercury is a very serious neurotoxin.''

Williams embodies the vaccine establishment's worst fear about
Halsey's course of action -- which is that taking the precautionary
step of eliminating thimerosal would be read as an admission of
fault. ''The agenda was set by the lawyers and the antivaccine
activists,'' a source close to a number of manufacturers complained
to me. ''The scientists responded to it scientifically, and that put
them behind the eight ball right away. You had Neal Halsey running
around saying: 'We've got to do something! We've got to show we're
concerned!'''

Paul Offit, a vaccinologist at the Children's Hospital of
Philadelphia, takes it a step further. ''In some instances I think
full disclosure can be harmful,'' he says. ''Is it safe to say there
is zero risk with thimerosal, when it is remotely possible that one
child would get sick? Well, since we say that mercury is a
neurotoxin, we have to do everything we can to get rid of it. But I
would argue that removing thimerosal didn't make vaccines safer -- it
only made them perceptibly safer.''

For Halsey, thimerosal injury is a possibility that must be
addressed -- but by science, [YEAH RIGHT, BUT NOT BY
HALSEY'S "SCIENCE" DHD Sr] not by the courts.

The scientific agenda, however, is already deeply politicized.
[duhhhh!! no kidding?] From the start, the C.D.C.'s efforts to
examine the possibility of thimerosal damage became snarled in
acrimony. Critics of the vaccination system don't trust the C.D.C.
[only an idiot would trust anything that comes out of the CDC DHD
Sr], which monitors evidence of adverse reactions to vaccines through
the Vaccine Safety Datalink, a computerized set of 7.5 million
medical records. Safe Minds, an advocacy group of parents who believe
that their autistic children were damaged by thimerosal, has used the
Freedom of Information Act to obtain documents showing that as early
as December 1999 the C.D.C. had reason to believe that thimerosal
caused developmental delays in some children. It was far from
conclusive evidence, but vaccine critics charged that the C.D.C.
tried to play it down [every one of those involved in playing it down
belongs before a jury of their peers to decide whether or not they
belong in jail rather than in public service DHD Sr - THIS IS THE
CRUX OF THE ISSUE BEFORE US HERE!!! DON'T LOSE SIGHT OF IT - THE
OTHER ISSUE IS THE IDEA OF THE COMPULSORY NATURE OF MEDICINE- IT MUST
BE BROUGHT TO A SCREECHING HALT - ANYONE NOT AGREEING WITH THAT
SHOULD GET A COPY OF THE RECENT MEETING IN WASHINGTON DC HOSTED BY
BARBARA LOE FISHER AND LISTEN TO THE COMMENTS OF THE UGANDAN WHO
REPORTED HOW HIS GOVERNMENT SOLDIERS WENT THROUGH THE UGANDAN
VILLAGES, KILLING UGANDAN CHILDREN WITH ORAL POLIO VACCINES THAT WERE
DISCONTINUED IN THE USA AFTER OUR BRILLIANT MEDICAL QUACKS HERE
FINALLY CONCLUDED THAT FOR FIFTEEN YEARS THE ONLY CAUSE OF POLIO IN
THE USA WAS THE ORAL POLIO VACCINE USED TO PREVENT POLIO!!! SO THE
QUACK VACCINES WERE SOLD TO THIRD WORLD NATIONS, MONEY WAS PAID TO
CERTAIN POLITICIANS AND THOSE POLITICIANS IN TURN INFLUENCED THE
MILITARY TO CARRY OUT THE HEINOUS DEED - EVERYONE INVOLVED IN THAT
FIASCO SHOULD BE TRIED AND IF FOUND GUILTY, EXECUTED. IT IS TIME TO
STOPTHIS INSANITY!!! DHD Sr ].

One of those critics was Dan Burton, a Republican congressman from
Indiana, who says he firmly believes that his grandson's autism is a
result of vaccines. ''I'm so ticked off about my grandson, and to
think that the public-health people have been circling the wagons to
cover up the facts!'' Burton fumed at a June hearing. ''Why, it just
makes me want to vomit!'' [you and a lot of other people Dan, DHD Sr]

What comes through in an examination of the documents uncovered by
Safe Minds is less a coverup than an impression of scientists
anxiously watching over their shoulders as they work. One document,
for example, records comments made by Robert Brent, a Philadelphia
pediatrician who served as a consultant for the thimerosal
study. ''The medical-legal findings in this study, causal or not, are
horrendous,'' Brent said. ''If an allegation was made that a child's
neurobehavioral findings were caused by thimerosal-containing
vaccines, you could readily find a junk scientist [this is a
psychological projection of the first order DHD Sr] who would support
the claim with a reasonable degree of certainty. But you will not
find a scientist with any integrity [this is an almost absent
commodity amongst government workers and conventional medicine types
DHD Sr] who would say the reverse with the data that is
available. . . . So we are in a bad position from the standpoint of
defending any lawsuits if they were initiated.''

More research is in the works. The C.D.C. is setting up a study of
neurodevelopmental effects based in part on the Faeroe Islands model.
[THIS IS LIKE ASKING THE FOX HOW TO GUARD THE CHICKEN COOP - it
should be taken out of government hands. All governments are
corruptible sooner or later, and our government agencies have been
fully corrupted for a very long time. DHD Sr] The N.I.H. is financing
studies of thimerosal metabolism in animals and children. (An early
University of Rochester study was reassuring: it indicated that
children eliminate thimerosal much more quickly than expected.)

Clearly, a lot is riding on this research, and pressure is being
brought to bear on both sides. Can the vaccine authorities accept a
positive answer? Can the vaccine opponents accept a negative
one? ''No one wants to think that harm might have been done,'' Halsey
says. ''I don't want to think harm might have been done.''
[duhhhhh!!!! DHD Sr]

American children still receive up to 20 vaccines in the first two
years of life.

[this is the worst crime ever perpetrated on a civilized society DHD
Sr]

The first symptoms of autism often appear between the ages of 12 and
24 months. Most autism experts say that the two facts are
coincidental, but as a major California study recently confirmed,
autism is being diagnosed in numbers far higher than ever before,
suggesting that a nongenetic cause may be partly to blame. In some
children, the behavioral traits of autism present themselves along
with physical problems like sensory dysfunction and motor disorders
that have rough correlates in the mercury-poisoning literature. For
some parents, thimerosal provides a grand unifying theory that
squarely points the finger at the government and vaccine makers.

During much of the 20th-century, children suffered from an ailment
called pink disease, which caused peeling skin on the extremities as
well as regressive behavior. In 1948, a keen-eyed Cincinnati
pediatrician named Josef Warkany noticed a common risk factor in
these children: they had all been given teething powders containing
calomel, a mercury derivative.

Only about 1 in 500 children whose parents gave them calomel got pink
disease -- suggesting that a constitutional vulnerability to mercury
was part of the clinical picture. Soon after the powders were taken
off the market, pink disease disappeared.

[go back in history and check out the effects of Calomel used in many
other conditions, it is horrendous - if my memory serves me
correctly, at the turn of the century anyone unlucky enough to be
treated for pneumonia died from the treatment, while people in the
outback, left untreated, would often survive, calomel was one of the
methods used by the medical quacks back then to treat pneumonia -
there was another popular and just as deadly drug which escapes my
memory at the moment but which was reported by an MD to a Washington
group of MDs way back when, who recovered ALL of his patients through
simple hygienic methods, no drugs, his name also escapes me at the
moment. DHD Sr]

It is my opinion that men like Halsey and others of his ilk pose a
much more serious threat to the health of our children than any
disease of childhood and I further opine that something needs to be
done to take such men out of circulation - if the allegations
concerning their effects on the public health are true they not only
do not belong in public service - they belong in jail. A good legal
mind willing to dedicate the time and effort necessary to investigate
those possibilities is sorely needed and daily prayed for. I continue
to wait for such a man or woman to step forward and take up the fight
so that we can begin to make men like Halsey and others of his ilk
pay the penalty for their actions if they are found guilty of such by
a jury of their peers. My advice to such men is, if you can't do the
time, don't do the crime. The time is rapidly approaching when
suddenly, one day, the public is going to awaken and you will
suddenly be held accountable for the horrendous damage you have done
and will continue to do to our innocents. I am sure that the leaders
of ENRON and other companies never expected to be held accountable
for their misdeeds. Don't count on remaining out of reach of the
common man - the public is being slowly awakened by people like
myself - and I am not alone - there is a growing number of others
like me!!!

Dr Daniel H Duffy Sr



The following letter [after my comments] was sent by FAX to all the
US Senators by Represenative Dan Burton. It really clarifies the
issue on vaccine liability in the Homeland Security bill.



MY COMMENTS: the Homeland Security Bill is a terrible intrusion into
the lives of American citizens and is just another step on the way to
totalitarian government in the USA. Think it's not possible??? Wake
up and take a look around!!! The average citizen is totally unaware
of the number of freedoms lost over the last half century.



Most people are totally unaware of the fact that we're living in a
police state.



Look around you, there are police everywhere you look. You can't
drive down a highway without noticing police hiding behind trees and
poles and highway signs or hanging over bridges and overpasses or
following you in aircraft involved in traffic traps. Police are
continually pointing radar cameras at you, ready to interfere with
your travel rights - to tax you for a crime you have not yet
committed - we build roads to accommodate speeds of over a hundred
miles an hour and then authorities place speed limits of 55 and 60MPH
which put you at risk and cause you to waste your precious time
etc.!!



You can't have a baby without a doctor's permission, can't go to
school without a doctor's permission, can't drive a car or go to work
without a doctor's permission and of all the insults and intrusions
into your privacy, EVEN YOUR BODY IS ATTACKED BY QUACK MEDICAL
DOCTORS with compulsory vaccines - you can't even send your children
to schools or colleges without some fool telling you that they have
to be vaccinated with a health threatening poison against some
disease that has not been a widespread threat for over a hundred
years and for which no vaccine has ever had any effect!!



What a deprivation of freedom and an atrocity that is!!!



And MOST people don't even whimper at being forced into such
atrocities!!



You have to submit to quack vaccine injections before you can travel
abroad or take certain jobs!! Wake up and act before it is too late
to reverse the situation!!!



Everyone concerned with these crimes against humanity should have a
list of names of the quacks and their conspirators so that this can
be made available when the proverbial feces hits the whirling blade,
I have a strong feeling that something is about to break in regards
the medical abuse that has all but overwhelmed us in the last twenty
years.



Make a list of the people you consider candidates for investigation
of possible crimes against the public - have it ready for use when
and if the time comes - this would include ANY high level person
encouraging or supporting the present pharmaceutically-driven,
devastating, medical quackery that is going on. For example the
number one suspect on my list is Tony Fauci of the CDC - if the facts
on AIDS as reported by Peter Duesberg are true as I understand them,
Tony Fauci belongs behind bars for the rest of his life, if not in an
electric chair or at the end of a rope or needle.



If we can send high level CEO swindlers to jail for long periods of
time for cooking the books just think of what we can do to these
quacks who are destroying the health of and killing infants and
children before they even have a chance to get started in life, much
less the damage they are doing to others. [How about all the people
who were killed by AZT in the 80s and 90s for treatment of the
fictitious AIDS epidemic? see below]

Then We can certainly send criminals doing the crimes of quack
medicine to the electric chair, gallows or end of a needle. Thousands
of American citizens were put to death by the CDC-directed war on a
non-existent epidemic [AIDS] by the use of AZT, a poison that killed
every lab animal it was ever used on during the initial experiments -

and killed every human able to absorb it who took enough doses. Tony
Fauci was a major driving force behind this AZT atrocity along with
Robert Gallo and gang. [AZT is a chain terminator of DNA synthesis
and as such is totally incompatible with life in those humans
unfortunate enough to be able to absorb it - those who failed to
absorb it and changed their life styles were recorded in the faulty
AIDS statistics as therapeutic AZT successes!]

DHD Sr


FACTS AND FICTION ABOUT THIMEROSAL IN VACCINES
November 18, 2002

Dear Colleague:

During the past 24 hours, a number of incorrect statements have been
made about the vaccine provisions in the Homeland Security Act. The
facts are simple. These provisions
severely restrict the legal rights of parents who believe their
children have suffered neurological damage due to vaccines. The
scientific debate remains unresolved. These provisions do not belong
in the Homeland Security Act. I hope the following points will help
separate fact from fiction.

FICTION: Scientists have concluded that there is no causal
connection between mercury-containing thimerosal and neurological
disorders such as autism.

FACT: In 2001, the respected Institute of Medicine concluded that a
connection between thimerosal and autism, while unproven,
is "biologically plausible." The IOM called for further research,
stating, "the evidence is inadequate to accept or reject a causal
relationship between exposure to thimerosal from vaccines and
neurological developmental disorders of autism, ADHD, and speech and
language delays."

FACT: Researchers in the state of California concluded this year
that there is no statistical explanation for the nearly 300% increase
in cases of autism in that state. "It is astounding to see a
threefold increase in autism with no explanation," said Dr. Robert
Byrd, an epidemiologist who led the study. "There's a number of
things that need to be answered. We need to rethink the possible
causes of autism."

FACT: An internal HHS document produced to the House Government
Reform Committee during its investigation into vaccine safety
described what it referred to as a "weak signal" in its data linking
thimerosal to neurological disorders: "Preliminary screening of ICD-9
codes for possible neurologic and renal conditions following
exposures to vaccines containing thimerosal before 3 months of age
showed a statistical association for the overall category of
neurological developmental disorders and for two conditions within
the category, speech delay and attention deficit disorder."

FACT: If there were no concerns that scientific research would
demonstrate a connection between thimerosal and autism, Sections 1714-
1717 would not have been tacked onto the Homeland Security Act in the
eleventh hour with no debate.

FICTION: Sections 1714-1717 do not eliminate the rights of vaccine-
injured individuals to sue manufacturers of vaccines and their
components. Proponents of these provisions have stated that once
individuals have gone through the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program
they can still choose to file a civil law suit.

FACT: For many families who believe their children were injured by
mercury-based thimerosal, these provisions do eliminate their right
to file suits. The Vaccine Injury
Compensation Program has a narrow 3-year statute of limitations.
Because many families were unaware of the program, they were unable
to file a petition on time. Sections 1714-1717 take away their only
remaining legal recourse.

FICTION: Thimerosal has now been removed from all childhood vaccines
and is therefore no longer a concern.

FACT: While thimerosal has recently been removed from most pediatric
vaccines used in the United States, it is still used in the flu
vaccine given every year to millions of Americans, including children
as young as six months old.

FACT: The argument that thimerosal has been removed from most
pediatric vaccines is beside the point. Because the FDA was
painfully slow to seek the removal of thimerosal during the 1990's,
millions of children across the country were exposed to this mercury-
based preservative at a time when concerns about its health effects
were emerging. The legal rights of these children should not be
curtailed.

Please vote to strip Sections 1714-1717 from the Homeland Security
Act. Fifteen years ago, only 1 in 10,000 children was autistic.
Today that number has skyrocketed to 1 in 250. Let's not be stampeded
into cutting off the legal rights of these children without hearings
and a full public debate.
Sincerely,
Dan Burton
Chairman
House Committee on Government Reform

Hello, CWatters. I just wanted to get the hell out of that charnel house
called a hospital and those psychopaths who pass themselves off as real
people, and forget the entire experience. This was 16 yr. ago. Passed
the statute of limitations, now. I took my baby and got the hell out of
that place, making the promise to myself that if I ever "accidentally" got
pregnant, I'd have the resulting child in the snow, by myself, if
necessary, than come anywhere near a hospital or doctor.

Hello, IlenaRose. Uh...are you talking to me, majusmaximum, regarding
posting my story? I am not computer-savvy at all and don't know how to
interpret all that ball-of-wax above the actual messages posted. Sorry!
While I am here, I'd like to point out that I had a look at Quackwatch or
whatever it's called, and found it unfortunate that it was so knee-jerk,
because there is definitely a place to review ALL medical procedures and
claims, not just the "alternative"-type.

Hi, "Jeff". You think my baby & I were just lucky to have survived lack of
doctor-provided "medical care". I forgot to mention one other tidbit.
While in the middle of a giant contraction, and being wheeled on a trolly
to the delivery room, a nurse - one of the world's biggest bitches -
thrust a document under my nose and told me to sign it. I tried to read
what it said, and she snapped, "We are not going to put drops in your
kid's eyes, if that's what you're so worried about! It's for a Vit. K
injection." I did not want to sign and she stood there till I signed.
The kid got poked.

Five years later, I read in a magazine an article that quoted, chapter &
verse, the finding of some British doctor that children who got the Vit. K
right after birth were 500 times more likely to develop leukemia some day.


I don't know if that is the high & holy truth from Up Above. I do know
that there was no reason to give my child the Vit. K. None. Sparing the
newborn any pain is enough reason.

"Majusmaximum" wrote in message
lkaboutparenting.com...
Hi, "Jeff". You think my baby & I were just lucky to have survived lack
of
doctor-provided "medical care". I forgot to mention one other tidbit.
While in the middle of a giant contraction, and being wheeled on a trolly
to the delivery room, a nurse - one of the world's biggest bitches -
thrust a document under my nose and told me to sign it. I tried to read
what it said, and she snapped, "We are not going to put drops in your
kid's eyes, if that's what you're so worried about! It's for a Vit. K
injection." I did not want to sign and she stood there till I signed.
The kid got poked.

I hope you complained to the hospital administration. Regardless of the need
of vit. K, her behavior is unexceptable. If you had problem with the vit. K
shot, the appropriate action is to note that you declined consent for the
shot, and let the doctor explain why it is important.

Five years later, I read in a magazine an article that quoted, chapter &
verse, the finding of some British doctor that children who got the Vit. K
right after birth were 500 times more likely to develop leukemia some day.

If that were the case, most people who got a vit. K shot would develop
leukemia. A lot of them more than once.

This statistic is utter nonsense. Some British doctor in a mazagine article
is not a reliable source of information.

I don't know if that is the high & holy truth from Up Above. I do know
that there was no reason to give my child the Vit. K. None. Sparing the
newborn any pain is enough reason.

About 1 in 10,000 babies have a bleeding disorder that is prevented by
giving vitamin K at birth.

http://www.womens-health.co.uk/vitk.asp

There is about a 1/10,000 chance that this shot may have prevent disability
or death in your child. That's about 300 kids in the US every year.

Jeff

Thank you for your input, Jeff, but the more posts I read by you and others
with your viewpoint, the stranger I find your approach to life in general.
It seems that so very many things are,in your opinion, doable or not
doable only after looking at statistics. For heaven's sake, I can't live
that way. You know the old saying, "figures lie, and liars figure."
Actuaries are for car insurance companies.

When "a British doctor quoted in a magazine" produces that info of a 500X
higher rate of leukemia in kids who were vitamin-K'd at birth, you dismiss
it out of hand. Yet one cannot fail to note your breathless faith in
tax-supported "studies" and the functionaries who live off them, when your
point of view is supported.

As to your advice to complain to the admin, oh, please. Where I live, a
socialist non-heaven, they will threaten to take your baby away at worst,
and continue verbal abuse at best. It's no-win. Home birth is the only
way to go.Preferably unattended.

I'd like to see you a few minutes before birthing a baby, with a
glinty-eyed nasty piece of work shoving a paper under your nose, and see
how you handle it.

"Majusmaximum" wrote in message
lkaboutparenting.com...
Thank you for your input, Jeff, but the more posts I read by you and
others
with your viewpoint, the stranger I find your approach to life in general.
It seems that so very many things are,in your opinion, doable or not
doable only after looking at statistics. For heaven's sake, I can't live
that way. You know the old saying, "figures lie, and liars figure."
Actuaries are for car insurance companies.

Do you have a better option?

Learn what you can about the way the world works and make informed
decisions.

I find your way strange. I mean, your way, to me, seems like taking a shot
in the dark when the light is readily avialable.

When "a British doctor quoted in a magazine" produces that info of a 500X
higher rate of leukemia in kids who were vitamin-K'd at birth, you dismiss
it out of hand.

Sometimes I can smell garbage right away. I didn't even bother looking for
evidence that it was not true.

However, I took me about 1 minute to find this:
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/...?view=abstract

Yet one cannot fail to note your breathless faith in
tax-supported "studies" and the functionaries who live off them, when your
point of view is supported.

Can you provide better support than a quote from a magazine by some doctor?

As to your advice to complain to the admin, oh, please. Where I live, a
socialist non-heaven, they will threaten to take your baby away at worst,
and continue verbal abuse at best. It's no-win. Home birth is the only
way to go.Preferably unattended.

Yeah, and what do you do if you have gestational diabetes or eclampsia?
Nothing, because you won't even know it until it is too late. What do you do
if your baby has respiratory distress at birth that is easily treatable at
birth or other problems that are easily treatable in any good hospital? Bury
him.

I'd like to see you a few minutes before birthing a baby, with a
glinty-eyed nasty piece of work shoving a paper under your nose, and see
how you handle it.

I already told you how I would handle it.

Jeff