Couple Jailed for Spanking Child: a woman and her fianc were notonly arrested, but placed under a $100,000 dollar bond.

Couple Jailed for Spanking Child

http://www.klbk13.tv/news/default.as...ownews&id=2238


A Lubbock woman and her fianc� are jailed for spanking their daughter.
They say it was just discipline but their children have since been taken
away by Child Protective Services.

Usually, spanking your child as discipline is lawful. It�s something
called corporal punishment. But this time, a woman and her fianc� were
not only arrested, but placed under a $100,000 dollar bond.

�I told her, "you`re gonna get a spanking, this is ridiculous, we done
told you, we`re tired of repeating this same cycle."

34-year old Tracia Jones says her 14 year old daughter is always
misbehaving, ditching school, and disrespecting her teachers. After so
many missed classes, her daughter was being kicked out of Lubbock High
and was to be placed in Project Intercept. When they got home from
school that day, Jones was trying to discipline her child, giving her an
old-fashioned spanking with her fianc�s belt. But instead, she and her
fianc� left in handcuffs.

�We got indicted for aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, and the
weapon was the belt� says Jones.

And her lawyer, David Moody says corporal punishment is protected under
Texas law.

�A parent can use force to discipline his child if it`s reasonable� he says.

And Jones says she was reasonable.

�Six licks with jeans on, that ain`t nothing� she says.

Jones spent almost 20 days in jail, and her fianc� is still locked up.
All three of her kids were taken by Child Protective Services.

�I feel violated because I`ve had my kids all this time. I`m 34; I`m
taking care of my kids, disciplining them.

Now, Moody says he`s never seen a spanking case go this far and he
thinks it should be dismissed.

�I think a jury would look and say if you spank your kid with a belt,
it`s probably ok� says Moody.

But some say any type of spanking should be considered abuse. Alan Read
with CASA feels it leaves bruises that are more than just skin deep.

"The bruises, the little scrapes, the cuts, maybe even a broken bone
that`s been inflicted from a parent, they will heal, or they`ll blend
into the child`s life. But the emotional scars may or may not ever heal"
says Read.

While Jones and her fianc� have been indicted, they are still awaiting a
trial date to be set. The penalty for aggravated assault can be anywhere
from 2 to 20 years in prison and a $10,000 dollar fine





CURRENTLY CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES VIOLATES MORE CIVIL RIGHTS ON A
DAILY BASIS THEN ALL OTHER AGENCIES COMBINED INCLUDING THE NATIONAL
SECURITY AGENCY/CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY WIRETAPPING PROGRAM....

CPS Does not protect children...
It is sickening how many children are subject to abuse, neglect and even
killed at the hands of Child Protective Services.

every parent should read this .pdf from
connecticut dcf watch...

www.connecticutdcfwatch.com/8x11.pdf

Number of Cases per 100,000 children in the US
These numbers come from The National Center on
Child Abuse and Neglect in Washington. (NCCAN)
Recent numbers have increased significantly for CPS

*Perpetrators of Maltreatment*

Physical Abuse CPS 160, Parents 59
Sexual Abuse CPS 112, Parents 13
Neglect CPS 410, Parents 241
Fatalities CPS 6.4, Parents 1.5

BE SURE TO FIND OUT WHERE YOUR CANDIDATES STANDS ON THE ISSUE OF
REFORMING OR ABOLISHING CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES ("MAKE YOUR CANDIDATES
TAKE A STAND ON THIS ISSUE.") THEN REMEMBER TO VOTE ACCORDINGLY IF THEY
ARE "FAMILY UNFRIENDLY" IN THE NEXT ELECTION...

If you only knew what some people within CPS will pull though. A lot of
what happens is at the descretion of the worker themselves.
I have 3 children 17,15 and 12 and I have had the police called on me for
taking a belt to the 15 yr old. I was told to "use my hand" not a belt.

LOL I said on a 15 year old, I asked "are you sure you dont want me to just
beat him with a bag of cotton balls."
Who in their right mind would try to discipline a 15 yr old with their
hand - I mean the kid would just stand there and laugh!

Now if your talking about a child...lets say 7 or 8, I dont feel a belt is
appropriate at all.

I have told my children if they dont like it where they are I will pack
their bags for them after they call CPS..

You know the funny thing is they normally come to appologize for their
behavior after they realize what they did was wrong.

I keep reminding my children that they could go live with their biological
mother if they dont want to follow the rules.

My children are only expected to respect the adults in their life. Help
with simple choirs appropriate for their ages, and for that they have a life
that most children would only wish to have. My wife and I take the children
camping, we encourage band, and any other activity they want to join in
school. They have nice clothes, new furniture, and are always given more
then enough to eat (I will NOT send a child to bed hungry at all!! - if they
are hungry their is ALWAYS food)

I take my children for rides down the freeway in the big city nearby and
point out the people standing on the corner with "will work for food" signs
and remind them that it happens to people that often do NOT want to obey the
rules in society and feel they are to good to do what is expected of them.

People wonder what is wrong with society today but you can blame the
"liberal" whinny asses that dont think children need parenting.



"0:-]" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 11 May 2007 22:07:02 -0700, fx wrote:

Couple Jailed for Spanking Child

Betcha there's more to this case than the media has revealed.

Texas is notorious for child abuse by parents, teachers, even juvenile
corrections establishments.

No one is going to get thrown in jail, and "indicted for aggravated
assault with a deadly weapon" for a few "licks" with a belt.

I note how sparce the information actually is. Media sensationalism
reeks in the release.

So why not stay tuned, fx, and keep us up to date.

0:]



http://www.klbk13.tv/news/default.as...ownews&id=2238


A Lubbock woman and her fianc? are jailed for spanking their daughter.
They say it was just discipline but their children have since been taken
away by Child Protective Services.

Usually, spanking your child as discipline is lawful. It?s something
called corporal punishment. But this time, a woman and her fianc? were
not only arrested, but placed under a $100,000 dollar bond.

?I told her, "you`re gonna get a spanking, this is ridiculous, we done
told you, we`re tired of repeating this same cycle."

34-year old Tracia Jones says her 14 year old daughter is always
misbehaving, ditching school, and disrespecting her teachers. After so
many missed classes, her daughter was being kicked out of Lubbock High
and was to be placed in Project Intercept. When they got home from
school that day, Jones was trying to discipline her child, giving her an
old-fashioned spanking with her fianc?s belt. But instead, she and her
fianc? left in handcuffs.

?We got indicted for aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, and the
weapon was the belt? says Jones.

And her lawyer, David Moody says corporal punishment is protected under
Texas law.

?A parent can use force to discipline his child if it`s reasonable? he
says.

And Jones says she was reasonable.

?Six licks with jeans on, that ain`t nothing? she says.

Jones spent almost 20 days in jail, and her fianc? is still locked up.
All three of her kids were taken by Child Protective Services.

?I feel violated because I`ve had my kids all this time. I`m 34; I`m
taking care of my kids, disciplining them.

Now, Moody says he`s never seen a spanking case go this far and he
thinks it should be dismissed.

?I think a jury would look and say if you spank your kid with a belt,
it`s probably ok? says Moody.

But some say any type of spanking should be considered abuse. Alan Read
with CASA feels it leaves bruises that are more than just skin deep.

"The bruises, the little scrapes, the cuts, maybe even a broken bone
that`s been inflicted from a parent, they will heal, or they`ll blend
into the child`s life. But the emotional scars may or may not ever heal"
says Read.

While Jones and her fianc? have been indicted, they are still awaiting a
trial date to be set. The penalty for aggravated assault can be anywhere
from 2 to 20 years in prison and a $10,000 dollar fine





CURRENTLY CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES VIOLATES MORE CIVIL RIGHTS ON A
DAILY BASIS THEN ALL OTHER AGENCIES COMBINED INCLUDING THE NATIONAL
SECURITY AGENCY/CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY WIRETAPPING PROGRAM....

CPS Does not protect children...
It is sickening how many children are subject to abuse, neglect and even
killed at the hands of Child Protective Services.

every parent should read this .pdf from
connecticut dcf watch...

www.connecticutdcfwatch.com/8x11.pdf

Number of Cases per 100,000 children in the US
These numbers come from The National Center on
Child Abuse and Neglect in Washington. (NCCAN)
Recent numbers have increased significantly for CPS

*Perpetrators of Maltreatment*

Physical Abuse CPS 160, Parents 59
Sexual Abuse CPS 112, Parents 13
Neglect CPS 410, Parents 241
Fatalities CPS 6.4, Parents 1.5

BE SURE TO FIND OUT WHERE YOUR CANDIDATES STANDS ON THE ISSUE OF
REFORMING OR ABOLISHING CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES ("MAKE YOUR CANDIDATES
TAKE A STAND ON THIS ISSUE.") THEN REMEMBER TO VOTE ACCORDINGLY IF THEY
ARE "FAMILY UNFRIENDLY" IN THE NEXT ELECTION...

On May 13, 1:00 pm, "Robert from Michigan" wrote:
If you only knew what some people within CPS will pull though.

I find myself in an interesting position in regard to that.
Caseworker swore to a fictional ""sex abuse history""
in order to make a case on my family in 2001.

Current caseworker is from outside of our area.
(Do you think they might be a bit nervous??)

New caseworker perjury from 2006 was so absurd
that even the Judge who is a complete stooge for
CPS was actually rolling his eyes.

We've gone through MANY of the routine meetings and
court review always rubber stamping continuation of the mess.

That's the background.

Here's what's NEW.

The current caseworker knows full well that the
case was based on caseworker perjury.
She commented in a meeting that there are people
in her agency who have done some very bad things.

I asked her why she has not fixed the mess and
ended the ongoing wrong.

She tried the old tactic of saying it's up to the court.
I pointed out that she as the caseworker could make
helpful recommendations to the COURT, yet she has not.
I complained that given that, blaming the court is a lie,
a sick dodge.
Her face got red.

I pointed out that while other caseworkers have
committed an atrocity, she is MAINTAINING
the ongoing agency abuse and damage.

I asked her why she thinks she is ANY BETTER
than them.

Her face got redder.

I asked her about her recommendations to the court.
I asked if they were actually her personal professional opinion
or if they were her representation of her SUPERVISOR's
commands. I asked if she had represented the supervisors
opinions as if they were her own opinion in court.

My SO's atty became intrigued with this issue.

I thought this fit in with your comment about their descretion.

A lot of what happens is at the descretion of the worker themselves.
I have 3 children 17,15 and 12 and I have had the police called on me for
taking a belt to the 15 yr old. I was told to "use my hand" not a belt.

LOL I said on a 15 year old, I asked "are you sure you dont want me to just
beat him with a bag of cotton balls."
Who in their right mind would try to discipline a 15 yr old with their
hand - I mean the kid would just stand there and laugh!

Now if your talking about a child...lets say 7 or 8, I dont feel a belt is
appropriate at all.

I have told my children if they dont like it where they are I will pack
their bags for them after they call CPS..

You know the funny thing is they normally come to appologize for their
behavior after they realize what they did was wrong.

I keep reminding my children that they could go live with their biological
mother if they dont want to follow the rules.

My children are only expected to respect the adults in their life. Help
with simple choirs

[chores]

appropriate for their ages, and for that they have a life
that most children would only wish to have. My wife and I take the children
camping, we encourage band, and any other activity they want to join in
school. They have nice clothes, new furniture, and are always given more
then enough to eat (I will NOT send a child to bed hungry at all!! - if they
are hungry their is ALWAYS food)

I take my children for rides down the freeway in the big city nearby and
point out the people standing on the corner with "will work for food" signs
and remind them that it happens to people that often do NOT want to obey the
rules in society and feel they are to

[too]

good to do what is expected of them.

Actually, two of the "will work for food" sign people
got checked out around here and both were scam artists.
One claimed he was homeless which was a surprise
to several local homeless shelters.
Another was offered a job and didn't want it.
The scam is that they hold out such heart rending signs
because lots of people will hand the guy a large cash bill.

People wonder what is wrong with society today but you can blame the
"liberal" whinny asses that dont think children need parenting.

Sure, they want the STATE to be the parent!

It's part of the Social Engineering plan, socialism inch by inch.

If they did it all quickly it would be readily recognized,
and people would raise hell but it's a slow gradual creeping trend.

You'd think idealogically that conservatives would
go after CPS agencies, but they rarely do.

If they're giving the agencies enough rope to hang
themselves, aren't we THERE yet?

"Robert from Michigan" wrote in message
t...
If you only knew what some people within CPS will pull though. A lot of
what happens is at the descretion of the worker themselves.
I have 3 children 17,15 and 12 and I have had the police called on me for
taking a belt to the 15 yr old. I was told to "use my hand" not a belt.

LOL I said on a 15 year old, I asked "are you sure you dont want me to
just beat him with a bag of cotton balls."
Who in their right mind would try to discipline a 15 yr old with their
hand - I mean the kid would just stand there and laugh!

Now if your talking about a child...lets say 7 or 8, I dont feel a belt is
appropriate at all.

Hi Robert, welcome to the discussion.

Is a spanking for a 15 year old effective? What lesson is it that you are
trying to teach them that cannot be taught another way? Don't get me wrong,
I am an advocate for CP, but having numerous children of my own, both over
and under the age you speak of, I don't find that CP is the best method for
children over the age of about 12. Each of us must of course judge our own
kids and what works with them, but I find that with children over a certain
age that other forms of consequences work much better, have a bigger impact
on their actions, than a spanking. Denial of privileges being the first
thing that comes to mind. You'd be amazed at what I can consider a
privilege.

I have told my children if they don't like it where they are I will pack
their bags for them after they call CPS..

Not a bad answer, but not a good one either. This should be a last resort.
I have explained to all of my kids that until the day they call CPS they are
welcome in my home, and that a call to CPS by one of my children tells me
that they no longer wish to live with the rest of the family and are wanting
to go elsewhere. To date none of them has taken this last step. Not even
any of my foster children, and I have had many.

You know the funny thing is they normally come to appologize for their
behavior after they realize what they did was wrong.

As do most adolescents I have noticed.

Ron


I keep reminding my children that they could go live with their biological
mother if they dont want to follow the rules.

My children are only expected to respect the adults in their life. Help
with simple choirs appropriate for their ages, and for that they have a
life that most children would only wish to have. My wife and I take the
children camping, we encourage band, and any other activity they want to
join in school. They have nice clothes, new furniture, and are always
given more then enough to eat (I will NOT send a child to bed hungry at
all!! - if they are hungry their is ALWAYS food)

I take my children for rides down the freeway in the big city nearby and
point out the people standing on the corner with "will work for food"
signs and remind them that it happens to people that often do NOT want to
obey the rules in society and feel they are to good to do what is expected
of them.

People wonder what is wrong with society today but you can blame the
"liberal" whinny asses that dont think children need parenting.



"0:-]" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 11 May 2007 22:07:02 -0700, fx wrote:

Couple Jailed for Spanking Child

Betcha there's more to this case than the media has revealed.

Texas is notorious for child abuse by parents, teachers, even juvenile
corrections establishments.

No one is going to get thrown in jail, and "indicted for aggravated
assault with a deadly weapon" for a few "licks" with a belt.

I note how sparce the information actually is. Media sensationalism
reeks in the release.

So why not stay tuned, fx, and keep us up to date.

0:]



http://www.klbk13.tv/news/default.as...ownews&id=2238


A Lubbock woman and her fianc? are jailed for spanking their daughter.
They say it was just discipline but their children have since been taken
away by Child Protective Services.

Usually, spanking your child as discipline is lawful. It?s something
called corporal punishment. But this time, a woman and her fianc? were
not only arrested, but placed under a $100,000 dollar bond.

?I told her, "you`re gonna get a spanking, this is ridiculous, we done
told you, we`re tired of repeating this same cycle."

34-year old Tracia Jones says her 14 year old daughter is always
misbehaving, ditching school, and disrespecting her teachers. After so
many missed classes, her daughter was being kicked out of Lubbock High
and was to be placed in Project Intercept. When they got home from
school that day, Jones was trying to discipline her child, giving her an
old-fashioned spanking with her fianc?s belt. But instead, she and her
fianc? left in handcuffs.

?We got indicted for aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, and the
weapon was the belt? says Jones.

And her lawyer, David Moody says corporal punishment is protected under
Texas law.

?A parent can use force to discipline his child if it`s reasonable? he
says.

And Jones says she was reasonable.

?Six licks with jeans on, that ain`t nothing? she says.

Jones spent almost 20 days in jail, and her fianc? is still locked up.
All three of her kids were taken by Child Protective Services.

?I feel violated because I`ve had my kids all this time. I`m 34; I`m
taking care of my kids, disciplining them.

Now, Moody says he`s never seen a spanking case go this far and he
thinks it should be dismissed.

?I think a jury would look and say if you spank your kid with a belt,
it`s probably ok? says Moody.

But some say any type of spanking should be considered abuse. Alan Read
with CASA feels it leaves bruises that are more than just skin deep.

"The bruises, the little scrapes, the cuts, maybe even a broken bone
that`s been inflicted from a parent, they will heal, or they`ll blend
into the child`s life. But the emotional scars may or may not ever heal"
says Read.

While Jones and her fianc? have been indicted, they are still awaiting a
trial date to be set. The penalty for aggravated assault can be anywhere
from 2 to 20 years in prison and a $10,000 dollar fine





CURRENTLY CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES VIOLATES MORE CIVIL RIGHTS ON A
DAILY BASIS THEN ALL OTHER AGENCIES COMBINED INCLUDING THE NATIONAL
SECURITY AGENCY/CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY WIRETAPPING PROGRAM....

CPS Does not protect children...
It is sickening how many children are subject to abuse, neglect and even
killed at the hands of Child Protective Services.

every parent should read this .pdf from
connecticut dcf watch...

www.connecticutdcfwatch.com/8x11.pdf

Number of Cases per 100,000 children in the US
These numbers come from The National Center on
Child Abuse and Neglect in Washington. (NCCAN)
Recent numbers have increased significantly for CPS

*Perpetrators of Maltreatment*

Physical Abuse CPS 160, Parents 59
Sexual Abuse CPS 112, Parents 13
Neglect CPS 410, Parents 241
Fatalities CPS 6.4, Parents 1.5

BE SURE TO FIND OUT WHERE YOUR CANDIDATES STANDS ON THE ISSUE OF
REFORMING OR ABOLISHING CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES ("MAKE YOUR CANDIDATES
TAKE A STAND ON THIS ISSUE.") THEN REMEMBER TO VOTE ACCORDINGLY IF THEY
ARE "FAMILY UNFRIENDLY" IN THE NEXT ELECTION...

Ron wrote
Each of us must of course judge our own
kids and what works with them,

Does that apply to the people in the news story Ron?

I have explained to all of my kids that until the day they call CPS they are
welcome in my home, and that a call to CPS by one of my children tells me
that they no longer wish to live with the rest of the family and are wanting
to go elsewhere. To date none of them has taken this last step. Not even
any of my foster children, and I have had many.

Does your Nebraska Foster contract allow you to tell
your Foster charges stuff like that?
How do you think CPS would write this up in an investigation?

"Greegor" wrote in message
ups.com...
Ron wrote
Each of us must of course judge our own
kids and what works with them,

Does that apply to the people in the news story Ron?

I didnt read the news story gregg, nor did I reply to it. I replied to what
Robert had to say.

I have explained to all of my kids that until the day they call CPS they
are
welcome in my home, and that a call to CPS by one of my children tells me
that they no longer wish to live with the rest of the family and are
wanting
to go elsewhere. To date none of them has taken this last step. Not
even
any of my foster children, and I have had many.

Does your Nebraska Foster contract allow you to tell
your Foster charges stuff like that?

Anything not forbidden is allowed gregg. My contract says that I am not
allowed to disparage the Childs parents. Other than that there is little
that CPS forbids in the area of speech. Oh, and BTW gregg, they are not
charges, they are children. I'd explain the difference to you, but given
that I have tried to do so for more than 5 years now I don't think you are
any closer to a clue now than then.

How do you think CPS would write this up in an investigation?

Not my concern. Any child in my home, foster or otherwise, can call CPS
anytime they wish. They know the consequences for such an action. And
after more than 200 of them none has made that choice. What happens after
that call, well of course I am concerned about the child, but not the
consequences of their choice.

Its an adult thing gregg, obviously something you have failed to learn over
the years. Actions have consequences, both good and bad. All actions. And
as adults we must deal with those consequences. If a child is adult enough
to call CPS then they are adult enough to deal with the consequences of that
act. And if not, well then that's why I spell it out for them quite early
in they stay in my home.

Ron